[Kwinten]

Put it this way, I'd rather only have two choices of design that looked like this:


than this in every shade I wanted.

Honestly, I'm a person that's very much into design, but rating a laptop by some manipulated images?

Slight difference: there are many thousands of pc designs from a lot of brands. On the other hand, a white and black Mac. Yay.

[Definition]

[quote name='Magical' date='May 25 2009, 08:38 AM' post='3229110']
Put it this way, I'd rather only have two choices of design that looked like this:


than this in every shade I wanted.

{/quote]

Total fiddlesticks. You're posting evidence disproportionally, and that may be misleading. Get your facts straight

It's either the apple computer versus



hp hdx
..or

acer vs.


macbook pismo

[Magical]

They were just the first images I came across on the respective websites... The HP just looks clunky, the finish looks cheap and the tracker pad looks like horrible. But the screen in nice...

[Caboose]

I don't even get why you're so touchy about looks. Sure, it's nice if they look good anyway, but are you just afraid that you spent £1000 on something for it's looks, when it doesn't look as good as the thing that surpasses it in every way, including price?

[Magical]

But they don't surpass them in every way... And looks are pretty important...

[Caboose]

We already covered that they do. Hardware? Big tick. Software? Tick. Price? Big Tick. Aesthetics? Tick. Compatibility? Tick. Ease of use? Tick... the list goes on.

[Magical]

Customer support. Ease of Use. Looks. Starting software. Compatibility. I've yet to find a PC program that doesn't have a mac version.

[Caboose]

Customer support. Ease of Use. Looks. Starting software. Compatibility. I've yet to find a PC program that doesn't have a mac version.

We covered customer support earlier. Ease of use is definitely on the PC side. Default software isn't even that good, you're only talking about the Video Editing program which if you're that serious about Video Editing (that you would spend that much to get a mac) then you wouldn't, you would just get a decent PC and some other image editing software. Compatability? Macs.... now you're just being plain stupid. In fact, that's a line i used earlier, you're just switched PC and Mac.

[redmonke]

This is what I don't get about customer support, don't you usually call if there's a problem with the Mac? There's no problems with Macs!!

Only time I've called tech support was to confirm how much RAM my computer could have and what one of the partitions contained. Toshiba tech support is amazing.

[Definition]

Customer support. Ease of Use. Looks. Starting software. Compatibility. I've yet to find a PC program that doesn't have a mac version.

Applecare is a joke.
Windows is easy. Mac is slightly easier, since it's prettier. Is that worth 500 dollars more?
Starting Software - What do you mean?
Compatibility - If anything else, this isn't an advantage, nor an equilibrium. Mac is less compatible, that's a fact. It's pure common sense to assume that the one with the larger market share has more compatibility with software and hardware. Oh, and any Autodesk program is not compatible with mac.

[Mikey]

I use a Mac. Because I like it. Woopdeedeedleday.

[Wcl Nc]

I wish there is way to combine the fluent workflow and the elegant look of a mac, with the cheap raw power and good compatibility of a PC.

Then that'll be a hell of a machine.

[redmonke]

I wish there is way to combine the fluent workflow and the elegant look of a mac, with the cheap raw power and good compatibility of a PC.

Then that'll be a hell of a machine.

It's called a hackintosh, but let's keep that on the down low.

[Magical]

Customer support. Ease of Use. Looks. Starting software. Compatibility. I've yet to find a PC program that doesn't have a mac version.

We covered customer support earlier.

Have you ever been to an apple store?

Ease of use is definitely on the PC side.

What? You can't say it's such a simple program and that you can't customize it and it's for people who aren't very good with computers. Macs are much easier to use.

Default software isn't even that good, you're only talking about the Video Editing program which if you're that serious about Video Editing (that you would spend that much to get a mac) then you wouldn't, you would just get a decent PC and some other image editing software.

The default software is at an incredibly high standard. Whereas on a PC many people would get Elements for their photo editing if they're an interesting amateur, iPhoto is fine. Garage band is an incredibly complex and powerful piece of software. iWeb is excellent for websites, especially since all Macs already have Apache installed so all you need is you IP adresss, and iMovie easily beats WMM.

Compatability?

Explain how Windows are more compatible with Macs and Linux than Macs are with Windows and Linux.

Macs.... now you're just being plain stupid. In fact, that's a line i used earlier, you're just switched PC and Mac.

Name programs that there isn't an app for...

Macs also work out of the box etc.

This post has been edited by Magical: May 26 2009, 02:27 AM

[Easl]

You guys are forgetting, this is the best arguement out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz9NMVMwB9o...feature=related

This post has been edited by easl: May 26 2009, 02:24 AM

[Cattius]

Customer support. Ease of Use. Looks. Starting software. Compatibility. I've yet to find a PC program that doesn't have a mac version.

So obviously Mac users are prepared to pay hundreds of pounds more for a computer with good starting software, customer support, ease of use, and looks, but that sadly is a huge rip-off because every single component is overpriced. Oh and that also won't come anywhere close to the performance of Windows computers in the same price area.

Doesn't sound that great to me. I don't need customer support, because when I have a problem I use Google or Sals (both of which are generally far more helpful). I don't need looks because all my desktop does is sit underneath my desk all day. And I'm quite prepared for it to take me a bit longer to get used to the system if it means I save money.

[Caboose]

Customer support. Ease of Use. Looks. Starting software. Compatibility. I've yet to find a PC program that doesn't have a mac version.

We covered customer support earlier.

Have you ever been to an apple store?

Ease of use is definitely on the PC side.

What? You can't say it's such a simple program and that you can't customize it and it's for people who aren't very good with computers. Macs are much easier to use.

Default software isn't even that good, you're only talking about the Video Editing program which if you're that serious about Video Editing (that you would spend that much to get a mac) then you wouldn't, you would just get a decent PC and some other image editing software.

The default software is at an incredibly high standard. Whereas on a PC many people would get Elements for their photo editing if they're an interesting amateur, iPhoto is fine. Garage band is an incredibly complex and powerful piece of software. iWeb is excellent for websites, especially since all Macs already have Apache installed so all you need is you IP adresss, and iMovie easily beats WMM.

Compatability?

Explain how Windows are more compatible with Macs and Linux than Macs are with Windows and Linux.

Macs.... now you're just being plain stupid. In fact, that's a line i used earlier, you're just switched PC and Mac.

Name programs that there isn't an app for...

Macs also work out of the box etc.

I've been to a shop with Apple products in it, if that's what you mean...

What's a simple program? But PCs are easily customizable, and i mean really easily. If you can't figure out how to do that then... well, yeah... But no, i can't figure out what anything does on a Mac. I mean, i just manage to get by opening and closing programs, but i had to be told how to do even that.

GIMP, Paint.net, Sumo Paint. ACID, Finale Notepad, Tapper. Notepad (actually, if you use anything other than HTML and other languages for creating webpages, then you're cheating, Notepad 2, Page Breeze. WMM, Avid Free DV, Wax. They're just programs off the top of my head, and most of them surpass retail programs in almost every way. But my reasoning is this:

Narb Editor - Couldn't care less, use Paint
Amature Editor - Use decent open source programs, maybe Photoshop Elements
Proffesional Editor - CS3/4

Nowhere on that list do i see a person willing to spend two or three times as much to get some pretty sub standard default programs. If you have that much money to spend on editing programs, then you would get a PC and some top end programs, not a Mac and use it's free programs. If you care about it at all then you wouldn't be using default programs anyway, unless you're doing Pixel Art.

They kind of are... i don't know what you're talking about though. If you mean swapping documents, then OpenOffice does that with Microsfot Office perfectly well. Don't know what you use on Macs, but it certainly isn't surported.

Okay, i can name pleanty of programs that there isn't an app for. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-..._PC_video_games

And pre bought PCs work straight out of the box.

You are actually being silly about this point. The actual words you said were 'Macs are more compatable than PCs', whereas anybody who has done any research into the topic will know this is a downright lie. The very fact that there has to be a Mac Port, as you said, proves my point. And others have said this, so this is the last time i will bother to touch on the topic, Microsoft have a bigger market share (by a huge margin). They are obviously going to be more compatable, with software, of course, and hardware? Look, this doesn't even deserve an answer.

[Magical]

I've been to a shop with Apple products in it, if that's what you mean...

No, I mean an Apple Store.

What's a simple program? But PCs are easily customizable, and i mean really easily. If you can't figure out how to do that then... well, yeah... But no, i can't figure out what anything does on a Mac. I mean, i just manage to get by opening and closing programs, but i had to be told how to do even that.

Sorry, OS rather. If you can't figure out how to open a program on a Mac, then how the hell do you do it on Windows? Because you've been taught. I think seeing an icon and clicking on it is much easier to understand than pressing the start button, clicking all programs and then another button.

GIMP, Paint.net, Sumo Paint. ACID, Finale Notepad, Tapper. Notepad (actually, if you use anything other than HTML and other languages for creating webpages, then you're cheating, Notepad 2, Page Breeze. WMM, Avid Free DV, Wax. They're just programs off the top of my head, and most of them surpass retail programs in almost every way.

And Macs have all those as well - better versions for some things.

Nowhere on that list do i see a person willing to spend two or three times as much to get some pretty sub standard default programs. If you have that much money to spend on editing programs, then you would get a PC and some top end programs, not a Mac and use it's free programs. If you care about it at all then you wouldn't be using default programs anyway, unless you're doing Pixel Art.

Have you actually been on any of these programs? And I find programs like Photoshop work much better on a Mac, along with most graphic software. Photoshop websites mostly say Mac is the designer's choice.

Okay, i can name pleanty of programs that there isn't an app for. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-..._PC_video_games

Other than games? But what sort of windows programs are there such as Tweetie, Facebook Photo Uploader, Todos, Camouflage, Jump Cut, Quick silver etc.?

And pre bought PCs work straight out of the box.

I've never had such a quick start up/install on a Mac. I had to spend an hour reading through the instruction manuals trying to get the TV function set up, which never worked...

You are actually being silly about this point. The actual words you said were 'Macs are more compatable than PCs', whereas anybody who has done any research into the topic will know this is a downright lie. The very fact that there has to be a Mac Port, as you said, proves my point. And others have said this, so this is the last time i will bother to touch on the topic, Microsoft have a bigger market share (by a huge margin). They are obviously going to be more compatable, with software, of course, and hardware? Look, this doesn't even deserve an answer.

Program wise they're equally as compatible, in terms of external devices, there's pretty much always a Mac equivalent.

[Caboose]

Never heard of them. Are there actually any in the UK? Or do they not have a big enough market share?

That's not the only way. I mainly use quick start, and i've set most of the programs i use to open on start up. Then i have my games folder on my desktop, and i'm set.

My point being that default programs don't mean shizzle. Although i've never seen a better open source program on a mac, they should all work equally well. Show me one.

Yes, at school. They were originally designed for the mac, but the more recent ports have made them work equally well on Windows. But i never use photoshop anymore. Sumo Paint is my personal favorite.

"Name programs that don't work on macs"
*names programs*
"Apart from those"

Besides, most of the one's you mentioned are, as far as i can tell, for social networking sites. I pride myself on my ability not to use them. Although if i'm honest, i haven't heard of the others. Explain them to me and i'll try and find a windows alternative.

I like setting my new PC up with all of it's new features and taking advantage of it's new hardware that's better and cheaper than the old hardware.

They just aren't. Being a mac user you might not know this, but there's something inside that pretty white case of yours. Anyway, choice is good. And those eqivillents... aren't so equivalent.

[Magical]

Never heard of them. Are there actually any in the UK? Or do they not have a big enough market share?

You've got to be kidding me...

That's not the only way. I mainly use quick start, and i've set most of the programs i use to open on start up. Then i have my games folder on my desktop, and i'm set.

And that's easier than a dock, how?

My point being that default programs don't mean shizzle. Although i've never seen a better open source program on a mac, they should all work equally well. Show me one.

You say notepad2 I say text edit, you say WMM i say iMovie...

"Name programs that don't work on macs"
*names programs*
"Apart from those"

We all know Macs fail at games...

Besides, most of the one's you mentioned are, as far as i can tell, for social networking sites. I pride myself on my ability not to use them. Although if i'm honest, i haven't heard of the others. Explain them to me and i'll try and find a windows alternative.

Tweetie, Facebook Photo Uploader, Todos, Camouflage, Jump Cut, Quick silver etc.?

I like setting my new PC up with all of it's new features and taking advantage of it's new hardware that's better and cheaper than the old hardware.

I don't.

They just aren't. Being a mac user you might not know this, but there's something inside that pretty white case of yours. Anyway, choice is good. And those eqivillents... aren't so equivalent.

What? Inside the white case of mine? They f*cking lied to me!