[King Aragorn]

Anyone heard about the emulator called Dolphin that is for Wii and GC games?
This emulator is getting less hoggy and more simulating then emulating.
But still i get ALOT of graphical errors in games with high polygon-level. (Like Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess)
So i want to know: would the speed be higher if i buy a separate gfx card?
How would the speed increase?
The only thing that is wrong with some games now is that the computer doesnt get the time to render all frames because its too slow.
I only have an inbuilt ATI R. 200Xpress inside and onboard, a Intel Celeron D 3.20Ghz and 2 of 512Mb chips at 533Mhz clock.
But actual RAM showing in Windows is 960MB. (I know why..)

And also i see ATI R. HD 4870 with 512MB at a neat price, 1 723NOK.
And i currently have 2 000NOK.
Would this be a good or bad buy?
Would it be possible for my PC to use it fully?
The card uses GDDR5, but no specified clock rate.

Also, my PC model is Compaq Presario SR2009SC

OK, THIS IS WEIRD!
MY PROCESSOR IS CLOCKED TO 3.32GHZ!
Its supposed to be 3.20, was when i last checked too.
How did this happen?

This is specs:
http://h10025.www1.hp.com/ewfrf/wc/documen...ct=3285028#N318

This post has been edited by King Aragorn: Jun 6 2009, 12:35 PM

[Cattius]

No offence, but your computer is very old. The reason it is so slow with Dolphin is because all the components are slow, from the RAM, to the processor, to the graphics. I've never used Dolphin and couldn't find an official requirements list for it, but I should imagine Dolphin is designed for much faster components. Your graphics are integrated. Integrated graphics are simply not designed to cope with gaming, so buying a good graphics card would definitely improve performance. The card you suggested buying is a good card to get.

Looking at your computer's specs, you have 3 PCI slots and 1 PCI-E slot. All you have to do is buy an ATI Radeon HD 4870 512MB that is designed to go into either a PCI or PCI-E (PCI-Express) slot, and you will be able to fit that card into your computer in the relevant slot (I'm assuming that you haven't already used all your PCI and PCI-slots fitting other upgrades).

HOWEVER, I would STRONGLY recommend buying a new computer instead of upgrading the graphics card if you want to continue with gaming and using Dolphin. It would probably work out cheaper than upgrading all the old components of your current computer.

As for the strange speed of your processor, I have no idea, sorry.

[redmonke]

If you're going to update that old of a computer, don't buy a $200 graphics card. The 4670 is only half the price and will give you solid performance.

After all, you're only playing Wii games.

[King Aragorn]

Uh.. this is something i found out today:
Someone at Youtube told me that Celeron D is a Dual core, is this true?
I would be REALLY amazed if its true
And no one has ever told me, i never investigated my own CPU either

And i know the system is bad..
I havent used a single PCI or PCI-E slot, good for meh

The reason i want 4870 is that i heard some good speaking about, plus that it has all the shaders and so on in latest.
And DX10.
Its also going cheap, thats why i ask.
And this upgrade would also be for future-use.
Next year i will upgrade RAM and CPU too.
Then it will reduce the amount of money spent next year on upgrade.

My integrated card is actually only 64MB (Taking from RAM.. )
But says 256Mb.. what a failure.. :roll:

[redmonke]

Uh.. this is something i found out today:
Someone at Youtube told me that Celeron D is a Dual core, is this true?
I would be REALLY amazed if its true
And no one has ever told me, i never investigated my own CPU either

And i know the system is bad..
I havent used a single PCI or PCI-E slot, good for meh

The reason i want 4870 is that i heard some good speaking about, plus that it has all the shaders and so on in latest.
And DX10.
Its also going cheap, thats why i ask.
And this upgrade would also be for future-use.
Next year i will upgrade RAM and CPU too.
Then it will reduce the amount of money spent next year on upgrade.

My integrated card is actually only 64MB (Taking from RAM.. )
But says 256Mb.. what a failure.. :roll:

The celeron D is not a dual core.

And you're only wasting money on a dying system by getting the 4870. The 4770 is really all you'll need without being help back completely by your system.

How fast is your processor and how much ram do you have?

Edit: Sorry, why have I been saying 4670...I meant 4770.

This post has been edited by redmonke: Jun 7 2009, 03:04 PM

[King Aragorn]

My processor is at 3.32GHZ and RAM is 1024/960Mb. (real number/virtual number)
And, why would it be a waste when i am going to upgrade more next year?
What do you mean by dying system anyway?
That its outdated?
That will also change with new processor.
And more ram.

If i bought a new ocmputer i would also be able to use same card..
And as i see, the games would improve in speed when i get this card.
Because i have overkill with CPU for Wii, but only missing piece slowing it down is the gfx card.
I am aiming for future use, remember.. :roll:
And GC and Wii games. (And Halo 2..)

Will check out 4770 then.

EDIT:
Not in the shop.
Though, i found another card:
SAPPHIRE RADEON HD4850 1GB GDDR3 VAPOR-X PCI-E VGA DVI-I HDMI IN
Price: 1 370 NOK.
Its description:

SAPPHIRE VAPOR-X HD 4850 1GB GDDR3 PCI-E

• 256-bit memory interface
• Quite and Powerful Dual Slot Vapor-Chamber Cooler, Under 20 dbA in 2D Operation, under 30 dbA in 3D Operation before 85 degree °C
• DirectX® 10.1
• 24x custom filter anti-aliasing (CFAA) and high performance anisotropic filtering
• PCI Express® 2.0 support
• Dynamic geometry acceleration
• Game physics processing capability
• ATI Avivo™HD video and display technology, Unified Video Decoder 2 (UVD) for Blu-ray™ and HD VideoBuilt-in HDMI with 7.1 surround sound supportOn-chip HDCP
• ATI PowerPlay™ technology

SAPPHIRE Technology was the first company to implement cooling for PC graphics cards based on Vapor Chamber Technology. Vapor Chamber Technology was previously used in blade servers to provide more efficient yet compact cooling. SAPPHIRE’s Vapor-X cooler was introduced in 2007 with its HD 3870 ATOMIC Edition graphics card and then rolled out to the global market with the successful TOXIC HD 3870 and HD 4870 series.
Based on the successful experience on TOXIC with Vapor Chamber cooler, SAPPHIRE introduces the new Vapor-X graphics card series to bring an users a silent and efficient cooling solution based on Vapor Chamber technology. With such a efficient cooling system, the Vapor-X series has a more potential in overclocking and longer life expentancy.



Vapor-X Cooling

Vapor Chamber Technology is based on the same principles as heatpipe technology. A liquid coolant is vaporised at a hot surface, the resulting vapor is condensed at a cold surface then the liquid is returned to the hot surface. The recirculation process is controlled by a patented wick system. SAPPHIRE Vapor-X flattens the whole system into a slim chamber - which in the graphics application is mounted in contact with the surface of the graphics chip.



Black Diamond Choke

Choke is an important component of the graphics card. By working with the component engineer, Sapphire’s patent pending choke is 10% cooler and offers 25% more power efficiency than a normal choke. The graphics card will be more reliable and save energy.

Full Solid Cap Design

Improved reliability and better overclocking are possible by using only high-polymer, aluminum capacitors which posses far superior characteristics than regular aluminum capacitor for a longer product life. When operational temperatures drop by 20 °C, the product life span is extended by a factor of ten, when the operational temperature increases by 20 °C, the product life span only decreases by 10%.

Redefine HD Gaming

The ATI Radeon HD 4850 Series GPUs deliver a cinematic gaming experience with unprecedented performance. The powerful new TeraScale graphics will propel you deep into your gameplay with seamless frame rates and high resolutions. Enhanced anti-aliasing (AA) and anisotropic filtering create striking graphics with unparalleled realism so you can max out the settings of the most demanding next-generation games or revitalize your favorite titles. Play today while preparing for tomorrow with tessellation, support for DirectX® 10.1 and scalable ATI CrossFireX™ technology.

TeraScale Graphics Engine
The powerful new TeraScale graphics engine features deliver high resolutions and fast frame rates.


Enhanced Anti-Aliasing & Anisotropic Filtering
High performance anisotropic filtering and 24x custom filter anti-aliasing (CFAA) smooth jagged edges and create true-to-life graphics, for everything from grass to facial features.
DirectX 10.1
Play today while preparing for tomorrow with state-of-the-art DirectX 10.1 graphics capabilities.
ATI CrossFireX™ Technology
ATI CrossFireX™ technology with up to quad GPU support offers superior scalability so your system is ready to level up when you are.
PCI Express 2.0
Support for PCI Express 2.0 will prepare you for bandwidth-hungry games and 3D applications.
Power to Spare
This GPU has the brute processing power needed for physics, artificial intelligence, stream computing and ray tracing calculations.

Go Beyond HD Video

Add an ATI Radeon HD 4850 Series GPU to your PC and watch the latest Blu-ray and HD movies play with incredible fidelity –upscale to nearly twice the display resolution of HD content.* Take full advantage of Blu-ray functionality with dual-stream, picture in picture (PIP) capabilities. Sophisticated new features within ATI Avivo™ HD technology provide a truly responsive experience. Support for the latest audio visual interconnects ensures you can take advantage of the latest display technology.

Unified Video Decoder 2
Unified Video Decoder 2 frees up your CPU for other tasks so you get The Ultimate Visual Experience™ for even the most processing-intensive content, including VC-1, H.264 and now MPEG-2. Also, take full advantage of Blu-ray functionality with dual-stream, picture in picture (PIP) capabilities.
Upscale Beyond 1080p
Watch the hottest Blu-ray movies or other HD content at full 1080p display resolution and beyond.
On-chip HDCP
On-chip HDCP (High-Bandwidth Digital Content Protection) makes life easier by allowing you to playback HDCP protected content.**
HDMI
Enjoy the latest audio technologies using HDMI with 7.1 digital surround sound support. Also, xvYCC support allows the user to enjoy a wider range of color when connected to a capable HDTV.

*Note: HD capable monitor required

** Note: Playing HDCP content requires additional HDCP ready components, including but not limited to an HDCP ready monitor, Blu-ray or HD DVD disc drive, multimedia application and computer operating system.


Break-through Efficiency

Like its predecessors, the ATI Radeon HD 4850 Series GPUs offer optimal performance and break-through efficiency with platform-independent intelligent power management. ATI PowerPlay™ delivers the power needed to blaze through even the most intense games while intuitively conserving energy at idle or when demand is low.

ATI PowerPlay™ Technology
ATI PowerPlay™ Technology delivers high performance when needed and conserves power when the demand on the graphics processor is low.
Energy Efficient Manufacturing Process
Second generation 55nm chip uses the industry?s most energy efficient manufacturing process.
System Requirements

–PCI Express® based PC is required with one X16 lane graphics slot available on the motherboard

–450 Watt or greater power supply with 75 Watt 6-pin PCI Express® power connector recommended (550 Watt and two 6-pin connectors for ATI CrossFireX™ technology in dual mode)

–Certified power supplies are recommended.

–1GB of system memory

–Installation software requires CD-ROM drive

–DVD playback requires DVD drive

–Blu-ray™ / HD DVD playback requires Blu-ray / HD DVD drive

–For a complete ATI CrossFireX™ system, a second ATI Radeon™ HD 4850 graphics card, an ATI CrossFireX Ready motherboard and one ATI CrossFireX Bridge Interconnect cable per board (included) are required.

And then 4870:

956 million transistors on 55nm fabrication process
PCI Express 2.0 x16 bus interface
256-bit GDDR5
MicrosoftR DirectXR 10.1 support
ShaderModel 4.1
32-bit floating point texture filtering
Indexed cube map arrays
Independent blend modes per render target
Pixel coverage sample masking
Read/write multi-sample surfaces with shaders
Gather4 texture fetching
Unified Superscalar Shader Architecture
800 stream processing units
Dynamic load balancing and resource allocation for vertex, geometry, and pixel shaders
Common instruction set and texture unit access supported for all types of shaders
Dedicated branch execution units and texture address processors
128-bit floating point precision for all operations
Command processor for reduced CPU overhead
Shader instruction and constant caches
Up to 160 texture fetches per clock cycle
Up to 128 textures per pixel
Fully associative multi-level texture cache design
DXTC and 3Dc+ texture compression
High resolution texture support (up to 8192 x 8192)
Fully associative texture Z/stencil cache designs
Double-sided hierarchical Z/stencil buffer
Early Z test, Re-Z, Z Range optimization, and Fast Z Clear
Lossless Z & stencil compression (up to 128:1)
Lossless color compression (up to 8:1)
8 render targets (MRTs) with anti-aliasing support
Accelerated physics processing
Dynamic Geometry Acceleration
High performance vertex cache
Programmable tessellation unit
Accelerated geometry shaderpath for geometry amplification
Memory read/write cache for improved stream output performance
Anti-aliasing features
Multi-sample anti-aliasing (2, 4, or 8 samples per pixel)
Up to 24x Custom Filter Anti-Aliasing (CFAA) for improved quality
Adaptive super-sampling and multi-sampling
Gamma correct
Super AA (ATI CrossFireXTMconfigurations only)
All anti-aliasing features compatible with HDR renderin
Texture filtering features
2x/4x/8x/16x high quality adaptive anisotropic filtering modes (up to 128 taps per pixel)
128-bit floating point HDR texture filtering
sRGB filtering (gamma/degamma)
Percentage Closer Filtering (PCF)
Depth & stencil texture (DST) format support
Shared exponent HDR (RGBE 9:9:9:5) texture format support
OpenGL 2.0 support

ATI AvivoTM HD Video and Display Platform6
Unified Video Decoder 2 (UVD 2) for H.264/AVC, VC-1, and MPEG-2 video formats
High definition (HD) playback of Blu-ray and HD DVD video
Dual stream (HD+SD) playback support
DirectX Video Acceleration 1.0 & 2.0 support
Support for BD-Live certified applications
Hardware DivXand MPEG-1 video decode acceleration
Accelerated video transcoding& encoding for H.264 and MPEG-2 formats
AIT AvivoVideo Post Processor6
Color space conversion
Chroma subsampling format conversion
Horizontal and vertical scaling
Gamma correction
Advanced vector adaptive per-pixel de-interlacing
De-blocking and noise reduction filtering
Detail enhancement
Color vibrance and flesh tone correction
Inverse telecine (2:2 and 3:2 pull-down correction)
Bad edit correction
Enhanced DVD upscaling (SD to HD)
Automatic dynamic contrast adjustment
Two independent display controllers
Drive two displays simultaneously with independent resolutions, refresh rates, color controls and video overlays for each display
Full 30-bit display processing
Programmable piecewise linear gamma correction, color correction, and color space conversion
Spatial/temporal dithering provides 30-bit color quality on 24-bit and 18-bit displays
High quality pre- and post-scaling engines, with underscan support for all display outputs
Content-adaptive de-flicker filtering for interlaced displays
Fast, glitch-free mode switching
Hardware cursor
Two integrated dual-link DVI display outputs
Each supports 18-, 24-, and 30-bit digital displays at all resolutions up to 1920x1200 (single-link DVI) or 2560x1600 (dual-link DVI)2
Each includes a dual-link HDCP encoder with on-chip key storage for high resolution playback of protected content3
Two integrated 400 MHz 30-bit RAMDACs
Each supports analog displays connected by VGA at all resolutions up to 2048x15362
HDMI output support
All display resolutions up to 1920x10802
Integrated HD audio controller with support for stereo and multi-channel (up to 7.1) audio formats, including AC-3, AAC, DTS, DTS-HD & Dolby True- HD4, enabling a plug-and-play audio solution over HDMI
Integrated AMD XilleonTM HDTV encoder
Provides high quality analog TV output (component/S- video/composite)
Supports SDTV and HDTV resolutions
Underscan and overscan compensation
Seamless integration of pixel shaderswith video in real time
VGA mode support on all display outputs
ATI PowerPlayTM Technology5
Advanced power management technology for optimal performance and power savings
Performance-on-Demand
Constantly monitors GPU activity, dynamically adjusting clocks and voltage based on user scenario
Clock and memory speed throttling
Voltage switching
Dynamic clock gating
Central thermal management – on-chip sensor monitors GPU temperature and triggers thermal actions as required
ATI CrossFireXTM Multi-GPU Technology
Scale up rendering performance and image quality with two, three, or four GPUs
Integrated compositing engine
High performance dual channel bridge interconnect1
Dual channel interconnect is not required for CrossFireX, and may not be included in all product configurations.
Some custom resolutions require user configuration.
Playing HDCP content requires additional HDCP ready components, including but not limited to an HDCP ready monitor, Blu-ray or HD DVD disc drive, multimedia application and computer operating system.
Subject to digital rights management limitations; maximum supported audio stream bandwidth is 6.144 Mbps.
ATI PowerPlay TM technology consists of numerous power saving features. Not all features may be available in all ATI Radeon HD 4800 Series graphics cards.
ATI AvivoTM HD is a technology platform that includes a broad set of capabilities offered by certain ATI RadeonTM HD GPUs. Not all products have all features and full enablement of some ATI AvivoTM HD capabilities may require complementary products.


Graphics Engine RADEON HD4870
Video Memory 512MB GDDR5
Engine Clock 800MHz
Memory Clock 950MHz (3.8Gbps)
Memory Interface 256bit
DirectX Support 10.1
Bus Standard PCIE 2.0
Video Input
VGA Output Yes, By DVI to VGA converter
HDTV Output Yes, By HDTV Cable
TV Output Yes
DVI Output Dual DVI
Dual-link DVI Yes
HDMI Support Yes, By DVI to HDMI Adapter
HDCP Support Yes
Adapter/Cable Bundled Manual、S to AV cable、DVI Dongle、HDTV Cable、HDMI Adapter、CrossFire Cable
Software Bundled Driver CD

Will it work with the bundled PSU of mine?
The 4830 seems it wont work good without another card and crossfire and 450W PSU
And 4870 doesnt seem to need all that, without some extra features with crossfire.

And, my PC says i have DDR2 for RAM chips, does this matter?

Halp?

This post has been edited by King Aragorn: Jun 7 2009, 03:40 PM

[Caboose]

I think he's trying to say that the 4770 is a good card. It out performs the 4850 and is even better when used in crossfire.

Why don't you just buy a new PC now, when things are cheap?

[King Aragorn]

Uh.. PCs are still expensive..
And i dont have the money, also i would save money on upgrading instead of new PC.
And, this shop is cheap because then more people will come, but their computers have HORRIBLE prices.. (custom builds by shop, ASUS branded..)

And at Wikipedia its said that 4870 has more chips then 4770. (Negative or positive?)
And to make it worth it of buying a new PC, i would need to spend 7 000 or more, because none of the PCs sold have an external gfx card without going up in price cuz of it.
See the thing?
It is cheaper to upgrade.
RAM chips are cheap, CPUs are kinda cheap, and also gfx cards.

I also have a question: would i need a better PSU to have one of these?
The econimc is getting better, but PCs are still on high price when they have gfx cards bundled.
I also found 4770, goes for 940 NOK, cheaper
My PSU is at 300W, good or bad?

Description:

Graphics Engine ATI Radeon HD 4770
Bus Standard PCI Express 2.0
Video Memory DDR5 512MB
Engine Clock 750 MHz
Memory Clock 3.2 GHz ( 800 MHz DDR5 )

Memory Interface 128-bit
DVI Max Resolution 2560 x 1600
D-Sub Output Yes x 1 (via DVI to D-Sub adaptor x 1 )

DVI Output Yes x 2 (DVI-I)

HDMI Output Yes x 1 (via DVI to HDMI adaptor x 1 )

HDTV Output (YPbPr) Yes
HDCP Support Yes
Software Bundled ASUS Utilities & Driver

With 512Mb Memory.
Will it play Wii games smoothly?

And i see that 4850 with 1gig is worse. (2Ghz memory clock? wtf..?)

I am not planning on a new computer when i can save some 1000s on it.
I can buy new mobo, psu and cpu and ram later.
And i think that my dvd drive (bundled) will owrk better with gfx card, because i think it gets rendered in my integrated one, and now it will be rendered in GPU, not my CPU. (integrated is using RAM and CPU instead of its own, cus it doesnt have its own.)

Would buying 4770 be a good choice?
It does sound like a good buy to me

(You should see the prices..
Its 24 500 for ATI FireGL v 8650 2gig and DVI.. )

This post has been edited by King Aragorn: Jun 8 2009, 09:10 AM

[redmonke]

Uh.. PCs are still expensive..
And i dont have the money, also i would save money on upgrading instead of new PC.
And, this shop is cheap because then more people will come, but their computers have HORRIBLE prices.. (custom builds by shop, ASUS branded..)

And at Wikipedia its said that 4870 has more chips then 4770. (Negative or positive?)
And to make it worth it of buying a new PC, i would need to spend 7 000 or more, because none of the PCs sold have an external gfx card without going up in price cuz of it.
See the thing?
It is cheaper to upgrade.
RAM chips are cheap, CPUs are kinda cheap, and also gfx cards.

I also have a question: would i need a better PSU to have one of these?
The econimc is getting better, but PCs are still on high price when they have gfx cards bundled.
I also found 4770, goes for 940 NOK, cheaper
My PSU is at 300W, good or bad?

Description:

Graphics Engine ATI Radeon HD 4770
Bus Standard PCI Express 2.0
Video Memory DDR5 512MB
Engine Clock 750 MHz
Memory Clock 3.2 GHz ( 800 MHz DDR5 )

Memory Interface 128-bit
DVI Max Resolution 2560 x 1600
D-Sub Output Yes x 1 (via DVI to D-Sub adaptor x 1 )

DVI Output Yes x 2 (DVI-I)

HDMI Output Yes x 1 (via DVI to HDMI adaptor x 1 )

HDTV Output (YPbPr) Yes
HDCP Support Yes
Software Bundled ASUS Utilities & Driver

With 512Mb Memory.
Will it play Wii games smoothly?

And i see that 4850 with 1gig is worse. (2Ghz memory clock? wtf..?)

I am not planning on a new computer when i can save some 1000s on it.
I can buy new mobo, psu and cpu and ram later.
And i think that my dvd drive (bundled) will owrk better with gfx card, because i think it gets rendered in my integrated one, and now it will be rendered in GPU, not my CPU. (integrated is using RAM and CPU instead of its own, cus it doesnt have its own.)

Would buying 4770 be a good choice?
It does sound like a good buy to me

(You should see the prices..
Its 24 500 for ATI FireGL v 8650 2gig and DVI.. )

Of course the 4870 is faster, it's twice the price of the 4770, but the thing is that the 4870 is fairly high range, but compared to the rest of your computer (which is very low), you won't be able to take full advantage of it, so you'll just end up wasting your money.

And even if you do upgrade your cpu (what can it be upgraded to? core2duo I think? Make sure bob checks this ), you won't be using all the 4870.

I think you're really underestimating the 4770.

And buying a new mobo, psu, cpu, and ram is pretty much buying a new computer.

[King Aragorn]

Uh.. PCs are still expensive..
And i dont have the money, also i would save money on upgrading instead of new PC.
And, this shop is cheap because then more people will come, but their computers have HORRIBLE prices.. (custom builds by shop, ASUS branded..)

And at Wikipedia its said that 4870 has more chips then 4770. (Negative or positive?)
And to make it worth it of buying a new PC, i would need to spend 7 000 or more, because none of the PCs sold have an external gfx card without going up in price cuz of it.
See the thing?
It is cheaper to upgrade.
RAM chips are cheap, CPUs are kinda cheap, and also gfx cards.

I also have a question: would i need a better PSU to have one of these?
The econimc is getting better, but PCs are still on high price when they have gfx cards bundled.
I also found 4770, goes for 940 NOK, cheaper
My PSU is at 300W, good or bad?

Description:

Graphics Engine ATI Radeon HD 4770
Bus Standard PCI Express 2.0
Video Memory DDR5 512MB
Engine Clock 750 MHz
Memory Clock 3.2 GHz ( 800 MHz DDR5 )

Memory Interface 128-bit
DVI Max Resolution 2560 x 1600
D-Sub Output Yes x 1 (via DVI to D-Sub adaptor x 1 )

DVI Output Yes x 2 (DVI-I)

HDMI Output Yes x 1 (via DVI to HDMI adaptor x 1 )

HDTV Output (YPbPr) Yes
HDCP Support Yes
Software Bundled ASUS Utilities & Driver

With 512Mb Memory.
Will it play Wii games smoothly?

And i see that 4850 with 1gig is worse. (2Ghz memory clock? wtf..?)

I am not planning on a new computer when i can save some 1000s on it.
I can buy new mobo, psu and cpu and ram later.
And i think that my dvd drive (bundled) will owrk better with gfx card, because i think it gets rendered in my integrated one, and now it will be rendered in GPU, not my CPU. (integrated is using RAM and CPU instead of its own, cus it doesnt have its own.)

Would buying 4770 be a good choice?
It does sound like a good buy to me

(You should see the prices..
Its 24 500 for ATI FireGL v 8650 2gig and DVI.. )

Of course the 4870 is faster, it's twice the price of the 4770, but the thing is that the 4870 is fairly high range, but compared to the rest of your computer (which is very low), you won't be able to take full advantage of it, so you'll just end up wasting your money.

And even if you do upgrade your cpu (what can it be upgraded to? core2duo I think? Make sure bob checks this ), you won't be using all the 4870.

I think you're really underestimating the 4770.

And buying a new mobo, psu, cpu, and ram is pretty much buying a new computer.

But buying that from ground will then be cheaper, i can upgrade for 4 500 approximately, but, a computer with the same specs would then be around 6 000.
1 500 saved
And from that i can even buy a Bluetooth dongle and still buy a bluetooth headset.. (Which is 100 bucks for bt dongle.. )
Does it seem as a good buy now then?

This post has been edited by King Aragorn: Jun 8 2009, 10:04 AM

[Caboose]

Not really. All you'd have to buy to make it a new PC then would be a case, HDD and Optical Drive, adn i can't imagine that being much more at all.

[King Aragorn]

I like the casing of this computer, its a "UI" on the front side that hides the ugly white optical drives (I got 2 DVD drives)
It makes it more user-friendly and good-looking then a all black one with fully visible drives.
Instead the drives are hidden behind a flip with a button on to push the drives' button for opening.
Nice, eh?
But the mobo im not happy with.. only 2 RAM slots.. thats bad for me
I use them for 512mb chips, but will buy 1gb chips, if they would work with 533Mhz..

This post has been edited by King Aragorn: Jun 8 2009, 11:19 AM

[Caboose]

Really though, just add a new HDD and you have yourself a new PC in essence. And it would be better for gaming too, grab yourself a Samsung Spinpoint F1 1TB for £65 (would have converted it but i have no idea what currency you're using).

[King Aragorn]

We use NOK here in Norway.

Internals go in higher price then externals, thats why i want to buy externals.
You get 1Tb Elements with 7200 RPM for 899 NOK.
But also on campaign, a WD Caviar Green with 1Tb and 7200RPM.
This campaign wont last long..
But also a Seagate Barracuda 1Tb and 7200RPM.
But SATA2, dunno if i have that

Think i go for externals, their easier to have.
And more secure in a way, you can disconnect if its danger for virus. (But have to be cautious)

Downside with gfx card: not in shop before July
But anyway i will be on vacation 2 weeks from 18th

This post has been edited by King Aragorn: Jun 9 2009, 09:32 AM

[Caboose]

Don't use external HDD for anything more than transfering data. The transfer speed is so much slower...

And here at least internals are more than usually cheaper than the equivalent externals. Can you just run me by what you're upgrading at the minute?

[redmonke]

Meh, the external HDD thing really isn't too bad. My friend has all his games installed on his external (CoD4, Fallout 3, and some more) and runs the games at over 60fps.

It is useless though, because you can't just hook up the HDD to another computer to play, but if the internal is out of space...

[King Aragorn]

Currently im going to upgrade gfx card, but its delayed untill July because its not filling store untill then.
But HDD is not so important, i still have 70Gbs on pc and 80Gb on external left. (external is 232Gb )

A computer wont start up unless its space left on system-hdd, so filling up under 20Gb is dangerous, because we havent got any other computer to use a HDD from anymore. (We used that at a computer that didnt start up, worked, but one of the pcs are not here anymore, and one of them have no OS)
Thats why i want to store as mcuh as possible on a separate HDD and not get a HUGE internal with system on.

This post has been edited by King Aragorn: Jun 10 2009, 11:25 AM