Discuss the Pros and Cons of Macs and Pcs.
I'll start off: I like Macs best because of the simplicity and the easy to use layout, plus how they pack all those features and memory into just one small screen.
Although, PCs are better for gaming (For now) and soo much easier to upgrade, unless you want to crack your mac in half

Have you upgraded Macs?

Mac users really upgrade ram, that's it.

I hate these debates.

Well, there are somethings in life you just gotta do, like Posting in these debates.

i like a mouse with a left and right click personally

Mac: Operating system seller, computer manufacturer.
PC: Type of computer, supports OSX, Linux and windows.

The debate topic is flawed.

You are refering to PC or Mac? cuz you can put any mouse on your mac lol...
Anyway for getting virouses and download games, and that stuff is better Pc.
To profesional work, any kind of designers and people that dont want to buy antivirus is better mac.

Or you can get better, get it free, and get LINUX.

Hey, if you go calling it flawed, first tell the Apple advert people their ideas are flawed (Mac and PC commercial)

That's because Mac doesn't have an antivirus.



He wasn't saying Apple was flawed. He was saying that this debate is flawed because one is a operating system manufacturer and a computer maker for one specific OS, while the other is a type of computer that supports all three OSs.

Haha, so this debate should be;

Mac with OSX
PC with windows.

I guess? count out linux and unix distros because we're getting into another debate there.

Mac = simplicity
PC = power

Virus issue should be taken onto the security of the actual build (in my opinion), Because a protected PC is more secure then a Mac. And OSX just has to many remote exploits to be called secure.

However i would recommend Macs at being user friendly, Windows is just not user friendly (imo) it can be made user friendly but it needs to be tweaked first.

However this isn't a flaw for windows, since it allows you to customize; providing a better OS for more experienced users.

Mac Pro

-Knight Haleth

The Mac Pro is a lame excuse for a power house. It's got nothing on a power PC, at all.

LOL stick a server cpu and a lot of storage? That isn't a computer. Its still not gaming computer I'm afraid , and i bet its overpriced due to the server chip. Although that box looks like its got some ventilation at least. They seem to have ditched the laptop parts too. In fact... its just a PC running OSX

In short, Mac is flawed due to the limited functionality. While it's enough for most people, the truth is that there is too much that simply doesn't work on a Mac. Here's the Catch 22: in order for companies and consumers to switch to an alternate OS, there has to be decent support. However, without many companies and consumers switching, there will be very limited support. In short, Macs have a little bit of traction in "creative" and "simple" companies and consumers, but their traction isn't wide-spread enough to warrant a noticeable shift in the "office" or "home" areas. Too many people use Microsoft Office--a program no longer supported for Macs (remember there was a MS Office for Mac, but that's no longer)--that is the foundation for thousands of companies, small, medium, and large! Not to mention that engineers generally use a CAD program--the most common and most versatile of which are AutoCAD. 3D modelers work nearly exclusively on Microsoft OS's, due to the wide product-base. I could go on and on.

The fact of the matter is Microsoft has tech support for the mass market. Most anything that a Mac has running well, Microsoft has too. However, there is so much of the market that doesn't work on Macs but only on Microsoft-based OS's.

I'm not a true supporter of either side--I do 3D modeling with TrueSpace, Blender, and AutoCAD 2007. I do 2D editing with Adobe's Photoshop Elements. I use the office functions of Microsoft Office 2003 Student & Teacher Edition. I play games that require DirectX 7, 8.1, and 9.0, as well as OpenGL 1.0, 1.1, 1.4, and 2.0. I surf the internet using Firefox and use Trillian for AIM, MSN, and IRC. I use too much that only works on Microsoft systems--all my 3D modeling, I already spent over $100 for 2D editing, I have full-compatibility office and play games that require DirectX.

Debate it out. Bob out.

I laughed pretty hard at this reply. Thanks for a great laugh man!

I think that just pretty much hit the nail on the head.



Not all distros for linux are free. Get free, get openBSD



what do you want me to say to that, phone up apple and tell their adverts are lies . Mac trys to add this young hip image of using a computer since it does all the "fun stuff". Try and play my games then Mac

It's not gaming because of it's hardware? Or RAM?

Minimum Reqs.



Atleast they don't buy anyone out Microsoft v Bungie..

The hardware is low quality overall. There's nothing special about the motherboard (infact, it's a server motherboard, which don't perform extremely well), nothing special about the RAM (667 MHz + 1066MHz FSB = no no), nothing special about the graphics cards (2600 XT is all they've got? Come on.. and Quadro is just a heavily overpriced GeForce with a few things unlocked), nothing special about the CPUs (server CPUs are not meant for use in a desktop computer), nothing special about the cooling, nothing special about the media drives, nothing special about the OS, nothing special about the sound card and nothing special about the hard disks, performance wise.

Mac Pro just got it's butt kicked

One primary reason that gaming hasn't caught on for the Mac crowd is because Mac won't ship good graphics cards with their systems or even allow people to upgrade them! I've heard so many times that people are being shipped a previous-generation low-end card such as a GeForce 7300GT and have it soldered into its PCI Express slot. To me, that's incredibly stupid and naive of Apple to do such a thing.

Anyways--watch your mouth saying that server boards and server processors don't work well for a desktop platform. Remember that server boards give many people what they really need--more power. As for processors, they're basically high-binned desktop processors for stability and low-voltage. Quite often people will go out and buy a LGA775 Xeon and stick it into their board. They spend $20 more for a more-likely-to-be-stable processor and overclock it by leaps and by bounds. Especially for AMDs (where they often advertise saying that basically everything pin-compatible works)--most people would get extremely high overclocks back in the PGA939 days with Opertron 170s and such.

EDIT: One last thing to remember is that MacOS will actually give longer-lasting hard drives. I had this very debate about a week ago. One thing is that MacOS's Swap and RAM is managed more-intelligently then that of WinOS's Page File and RAM. The drive is stresses less. Also, they use what are generally regarded as higher-quality drives. While I appreciate the idea of an simplified computer and I think that the actual system is quite modern (the model with the 24" LCD monitor that is). Oh well.

But when comparing the performance of a server motherboard to the one of a desktop motherboard, without using components incomatible with either, a good desktop motherboard will win, because it is built for speed, not stability.

Umm The mac pro is a macs xserve in a desktop PC by the looks of it, Its pretty powerful i guess... my only issue is that the ram provided may be ECC but its not buffered? I was recommended that if you want 2gigs or more of ram you should go for at least registered RAM.

Hmm... I just don't think Macs can take on the gaming market yet.

But a huge part of performance is stability. While I could easily spend $500+ on a high-quality copper liquid N₂ pot and pour about a score of litres of liquid N₂, the processor running under it will not be stable once I run out. That's not real stability--real stability is using a more-available cooling system such as air, water, or a water/TEC. I'd prefer a highly stable computer at 3GHz to a unstable computer at 4GHz--regardless of micro architecture. Even a 1% difference in performance is highly justified with high stability.

A stable desktop does not have to under perform..

I know that, but there are many places where a server processor will be more-stable at the same exact settings as a desktop processor. And no I'm not just saying a single one--it's known that server processors are some of the highest-binned desktop processors, thus the 5-10% price premium on them. I was comparing performance to stability on any computer before--emphasizing the importance, to me at least, of stability.

But, nowadays, high performance is either about 3D work (GPU) or video encoding (CPU), mainly 3D. Macs' frame rates drop like a brick once you open just about any graphically intense application.

PCs are good at graphics AND video encoding.

Now to mention the fact that Microsoft has drivers for just about everything. Not much you can find that DOESN'T have a driver for WinXP--not Vista yet but that will probably come soon.

Windows is better for gaming, but Vista is extremely horrible, right now I'm on Mac, but I'm hoping to get an XP soon. To add to the debateness: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-JdC04vBik

Basically sums it up, A PC can do anything A Mac can do.

I Wouldn't say Windows Movie maker is better then iMovie though LOL . I don't know why people bad mouth vista all the time sure its a little bloated at the moment hopefully SP1 will sort that out... thats coming 2008 apparently

Sometimes i wonder if I'm the only person here to have ever used a vista computer

All my software (some of it dating back to 1997) Runs wonderfully, and I have had no hardware compatibility issues. It also runs faster than any mac I've ever used.

Pc is proven wayyyy better, there's been hundreds of debates on this topic. I personally like the pc better.

SP1 is already out.

And my Vista is far from bloated. If your PC comes with lots of pre-installed software, it's probably your retailer's fault. (E.g. HP, Dell, etc.) Windows Vista normally comes with only a few basic programs.

I prefer Mac laptops with a Windows OS.

Please don't bump old topics, Man.