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Shpendi
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The internet could soon be replaced by a lightning-fast service known as the "grid", which is 10,000 times faster than existing broadband networks.


Scientists from Cern, the particle physics laboratories in Switzerland where the web was first developed, are working on the next-generation service which would allow films and music catalogues to be downloaded within seconds.


David Britton, professor of physics at Glasgow University and a key figure in the grid project, said grid technology could change society.


"With this kind of computing power, future generations will have the ability to collaborate and communicate in ways older people like me cannot even imagine," said Prof Britton.


The grid will be activated this summer at the same time as the Large Hadron Collider (LHC), a new particle accelerator designed to investigate how the universe began, is switched on.


The grid, which has been built from modern fibre-optic cables, is already installed on 55,000 servers, a figure which is expected to rise to 200,000 within the next two years.


Britain has 8,000 of these servers meaning access could be available to universities as early as this autumn.



http://gridcafe.web.cern.ch/gridcafe
http://www.webuser.co.uk/news/225770.html

What do you think of this?

It's great that they are advancing in speeds, but this means that people will start using torrents to download movies, cause they will be sure that the movie will download really quickly slanty.gif

Your views?

~Voo Doo10
Stobbo
If its in Glasgow University at the moment then I would estimate it is still at least 5 possibly 10 years away from being available to the general public in masses at a accessible prices. Look at Fiber-optic communications, they started in the 70s, and yet are only just becoming publicly available, and its not going to be until atleast 2010 until it is available to the masses at a reasonable price.

Still, it is a good development, and definitely a worthwhile experiment.
Acid
I like the idea of fast internet, but i don't actually need it at the moment. Got 2mbp/s download 316kb/s upload. I would like a higher maybe synced upload but other then that my download speed is fine. I can surf the internet, play games stream media when necessary. What else do you need the internet for laugh.gif. Someone at my work is testing a 50mbp/s download/upload line at the moment and says he doesn't know what to do with it.
Ming Der
Ofcourse people won't abuse this aware.gif
Awesome thier doing this, but now people might use thier broadband limit faster tongue.gif
-Ming happy.gif
Stobbo
QUOTE (Ming Der @ Apr 9 2008 at 10:56 AM) *
Ofcourse people won't abuse this aware.gif
Awesome thier doing this, but now people might use thier broadband limit faster tongue.gif
-Ming happy.gif

With so much bandwidth available, I doubt there will be much need for limits.
djpailo
QUOTE (Stobbo @ Apr 9 2008 at 10:11 AM) *
If its in Glasgow University at the moment then I would estimate it is still at least 5 possibly 10 years away from being available to the general public in masses at a accessible prices. Look at Fiber-optic communications, they started in the 70s, and yet are only just becoming publicly available, and its not going to be until atleast 2010 until it is available to the masses at a reasonable price.

Still, it is a good development, and definitely a worthwhile experiment.


Yeah thats a major problem. The ISP companies are unwilling to spend money upgrading the copper wires to fibre optics. As a result, super fast connections are still a long way away.
Stobbo
QUOTE (djpailo @ Apr 9 2008 at 05:09 PM) *
QUOTE (Stobbo @ Apr 9 2008 at 10:11 AM) *
If its in Glasgow University at the moment then I would estimate it is still at least 5 possibly 10 years away from being available to the general public in masses at a accessible prices. Look at Fiber-optic communications, they started in the 70s, and yet are only just becoming publicly available, and its not going to be until atleast 2010 until it is available to the masses at a reasonable price.

Still, it is a good development, and definitely a worthwhile experiment.


Yeah thats a major problem. The ISP companies are unwilling to spend money upgrading the copper wires to fibre optics. As a result, super fast connections are still a long way away.

Its not really the ISP companies, its BT. They can spend a huge amoutn of money upgrading their lines to fibre optics, but then most of their competitors get access to it - as they use BT's lines.

The best thing that can be done is the government spending the £15 billion needed to upgrade the whole country. Sure its alot, but Crossrail is costing £16 billion and is only going to benefit London and the surrounding area, so I am sure the government can afford £15 billion to benefit the whole country.
Bob-sama
For the USA, this is a good deal off. Simply put--this is mainframe interconnects on a larger scale. Also, while the college campus (and possibly the surrounding area) will be interconnected, there are still no economically viable ways to distribute the "grid" beyond research universities and colleges. If you plan on using a laptop and going over the oh-so-popular 802.11g, you'll be surfing at the same speeds as always. It's just an upgrade of the Internet's current mainframe--most customers will unlikely see much of an increase in speed until everything is replaced.
One
Its worth experimenting with i suppose, like stobbo said...we could be waiting a while..
(especially us cornish/devonshire...we don't even recieve good cable speeds bleh.gif
redmonke
To tell you the truth, I don't think we need really anything faster. I mean, I wouldn't say no, but still. I don't pay that much for my internet/phone bill a month and still get "near instant" fast internet.

Still, it would be cool to see just how fast everything could be. tongue.gif
Stobbo
QUOTE (redmonke255 @ Apr 10 2008 at 01:53 AM) *
To tell you the truth, I don't think we need really anything faster. I mean, I wouldn't say no, but still. I don't pay that much for my internet/phone bill a month and still get "near instant" fast internet.

Still, it would be cool to see just how fast everything could be. tongue.gif

Not right now, no. But this technology won't see its day for years, and by that time the world will be a different place. Technology is moving so fast, upgrades to the internet are necessary because were going to be seeing an increased amount of high bandwidth applications, like IPTV. Imagine being able to run something like Windows Vista Aero, but effectively having the windows directory on a server somewhere thousands of miles away. With internet like this, the possibilities are endless. tongue.gif
Shpendi
QUOTE (Stobbo @ Apr 9 2008 at 05:15 PM) *
QUOTE (djpailo @ Apr 9 2008 at 05:09 PM) *
QUOTE (Stobbo @ Apr 9 2008 at 10:11 AM) *
If its in Glasgow University at the moment then I would estimate it is still at least 5 possibly 10 years away from being available to the general public in masses at a accessible prices. Look at Fiber-optic communications, they started in the 70s, and yet are only just becoming publicly available, and its not going to be until atleast 2010 until it is available to the masses at a reasonable price.

Still, it is a good development, and definitely a worthwhile experiment.


Yeah thats a major problem. The ISP companies are unwilling to spend money upgrading the copper wires to fibre optics. As a result, super fast connections are still a long way away.

Its not really the ISP companies, its BT. They can spend a huge amoutn of money upgrading their lines to fibre optics, but then most of their competitors get access to it - as they use BT's lines.

The best thing that can be done is the government spending the £15 billion needed to upgrade the whole country. Sure its alot, but Crossrail is costing £16 billion and is only going to benefit London and the surrounding area, so I am sure the government can afford £15 billion to benefit the whole country.


With so many other operations going on (2012 Olympics, Crossrail, Improving London Transport System, etc.) it's not going to be a question of money (London Government has got tons of it tongue.gif) It's going to be more of 'How we are going to do it, where are we going to put the mainframe stuff' that sort of stuff.

~Voo Doo10
gabtdw
I've heard about this, and won't the people who own film companies get very angry about it if people can download 3 films in a minute...? The whole concept is a good idea, though.
Stobbo
QUOTE (Earlofvarrok @ Apr 10 2008 at 04:53 PM) *
I've heard about this, and won't the people who own film companies get very angry about it if people can download 3 films in a minute...? The whole concept is a good idea, though.

They might, in fact, they probably will.

What they should do, is embrace this technology and sell films online, at a reasonable price. If I could buy a DVD which costs £11.99 for half the price, as download only (so they don't have to pay for shipping, case or the physical disc), I would purchase DVDs more frequently. At the moment, I can't justify spending the money on one DVD, unless I really want the film.
King Aragorn
So, this sort of internet will replace this one?
Then many sites will be destroyed.
Like, sites that is old, but online,
will the new one overwrite the old? (or will all the old internet get transfered?)
Lucky that its in many years xD
Where the *peep* is the internet stored...?
Stobbo
QUOTE (King Aragorn @ Apr 10 2008 at 06:41 PM) *
So, this sort of internet will replace this one?
Then many sites will be destroyed.
Like, sites that is old, but online,
will the new one overwrite the old? (or will all the old internet get transfered?)
Lucky that its in many years xD
Where the *peep* is the internet stored...?


This isn't a new internet. This is effectively upgrading the 'cable' to make it faster. No sites will be destroyed, the internet will not be overwritten or change, just the medium.

I'll give you a very quick and simple explanation of the internet.

The internet isn't stored in one place. It is stored in special computers all around the world, called servers. Everything which is connected to the internet is given an IP address. This is something like 183.165.345.459. All the computers in the world are connected through cables and optical fibres and other method of communication. When you type 'google.com' into your web browser, a DNS server tells your PC the IP address of google.com, eg Google's server, and your computer can then find where it is on the internet and display the website.

That is very simplistic, but should give you an understand.
Drolleke
QUOTE (Stobbo @ Apr 10 2008 at 05:35 PM) *
What they should do, is embrace this technology and sell films online, at a reasonable price. If I could buy a DVD which costs £11.99 for half the price, as download only (so they don't have to pay for shipping, case or the physical disc), I would purchase DVDs more frequently. At the moment, I can't justify spending the money on one DVD, unless I really want the film.

Exactly.
With this high speed internet, it would be really easy to buy/rent movies in HD for a reasonable price online.
Bob-sama
QUOTE (Stobbo @ Apr 10 2008 at 02:39 PM) *
QUOTE (King Aragorn @ Apr 10 2008 at 06:41 PM) *
So, this sort of internet will replace this one?
Then many sites will be destroyed.
Like, sites that is old, but online,
will the new one overwrite the old? (or will all the old internet get transfered?)
Lucky that its in many years xD
Where the *peep* is the internet stored...?


This isn't a new internet. This is effectively upgrading the 'cable' to make it faster. No sites will be destroyed, the internet will not be overwritten or change, just the medium.

I'll give you a very quick and simple explanation of the internet.

The internet isn't stored in one place. It is stored in special computers all around the world, called servers. Everything which is connected to the internet is given an IP address. This is something like 183.165.345.459. All the computers in the world are connected through cables and optical fibres and other method of communication. When you type 'google.com' into your web browser, a DNS server tells your PC the IP address of google.com, eg Google's server, and your computer can then find where it is on the internet and display the website.

That is very simplistic, but should give you an understand.

We'll see IPv6 before we see this upgrade. It's not REALLY an upgrade--it's more like an alternative that will very likely replace the current Internet. I doubt we'll lose many of the old archived sites &c., but these will be different networks.
djpailo
QUOTE (Voo Doo10 @ Apr 10 2008 at 09:44 AM) *
With so many other operations going on (2012 Olympics, Crossrail, Improving London Transport System, etc.) it's not going to be a question of money (London Government has got tons of it tongue.gif) It's going to be more of 'How we are going to do it, where are we going to put the mainframe stuff' that sort of stuff.

~Voo Doo10


After the Northern Rock farce can we really trust the government to handle something as major as this tongue.gif

Whats inevitable is that internet speeds will become faster, its how fast the internet itself is evolving that scares me. I read somewhere that yahoo (or was it youtube?) uses as much bandwidth now then the whole of the internet in 2000.
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