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Chris
Anybody have any suggestions for what to change with this PC that i plan to make or if there are any compatability issues that I may have?

The price is in Canadian Currency which is about 80 cents per US dollar.

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firebomb148
If your gonna go with an expensive case, why not go with the one I showed you earlier? way cooler tongue.gif and massive air flow, yay... building an i7 isn't cheap I must say tongue.gif

*not to mention its about 50 bucks cheaper D:*
Bob-sama
If that hard drive is of the Seagate 7200.11 Barracuda series (I'm too lazy to look it up now), I'd suggest you avoid it. Seagate reps have reported about a 40% RMA rate. Other than that, look at a Radeon HD 4850 X2 2x1GB instead of the HD4870 1GB. In addition, consider a different motherboard. I'll take a look later. Anyways--if the Corsair 650TX is much cheaper, go with that instead. You won't need 750W for your system--it'll probably draw <500W at load.
Chris
I am only able to use an x58 motherboard with the beast of a quad core that is the i7.

I was considering two 4850's but I never checked the price and I don't know how much of a performance increase that I would get, would a $300 Geforce be a better choice?
Bob-sama
A Radeon HD4850X2 (single card, two HD4850s) performs well enough for $280-300 USD. For motherboard, I've heard good things about the Intel DX58SO. A friend of mine just got his second X58 board and is awaiting his 3rd--he first bought the DX58SO, he just got 2 days ago a Biostar TPower II X58, and is expecting a DFI X58 board.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16814102809

I just looked your HDD up on Seagate's site--it may be effected and frankly thus dangerous to run. As I said, there's about a 40% defective rate, so I'd say just skip it and buy a different drive. In retrospect, my WD Black 1TB drive is the fastest of my three drives.

Western Digital Caviar 80GB:



Western Digital Caviar SE16 (the old 2-platter version) 320GB:



Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB:


I'd recommend the WD Caviar SE16 640GB instead.
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16822136218


On a side note, I do have this forum post about it...
http://www.jonnyguru.com/forums/showpost.p...amp;postcount=1
I doubt they'll be free from shelves in the next few weeks, so the WD CavSE16 or WD Cav Black 640GB drives are better choices.
Chris
Would this be a better setup or should I go back to my original setup while keeping the change in RAM?

Which HD would be better, this 1T or your 640? I don't know much about HD's but I am looking at 16mb cache and 32mb.

I don't think that il need a big graphics card any time soon, I may just play Darkfall/SC2/D3 for the next few years.

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Doomsicle
No need to spend that much money on a case/power supply. bleh.gif

You can get a good case for 100-150.
And a good power supply for $100 or so

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16817139005
Power Supply

If you don't need 1TB, settle for 500-750. tongue.gif

Use some of that money to maybe get that Crossfire ATI cards? tongue.gif
Chris
Thats already the power supply thats in my new list. tongue.gif

Its such a great case which is why I want it. If I want a computer that will last me a long time as I upgrade over the years, I would like to have a high quality case with such great ratings and features plus durability.

Money is not a problem for me, after I get this computer il save all of my money from work over the period of a few years and buy a house in one payment and then i'm set for life. biggrin.gif

I have about $800 already to spend, I will buy a new part after each pay from work.
Bob-sama
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16811129042
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16822136319
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16814102809
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16817139006
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16820231225
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16813138135
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16819115202

A note--I've heard the Biostar is INCREDIBLY easy to overclock, and "Auto" really takes care of your settings. I've a friend who bought one. He was unimpressed with the inability to set manual settings everywhere, but was impressed with how easy it was to just dial in a higher BCLK and enjoyed a stable system with tight settings. So for the price, the Biostar is great for people who just want to set it and forget it. In the future, fixes to the little manual-settings problem may be released, but it's easier to just enjoy Auto right now. In addition, the HD4850X2 is a faster and overall better card for the money than a 9800GTX+ (yuck!). A Corsair 750TX can handle it too. The only thing you'll need is an OS. I'd say try Windows 7 Beta 1 and maybe grab a Vista image for when there's no Windows 7 available.

Order of purchases: I'd say go after the hard drive, chassis, power supply, and optical drive first. In addition, I'd wait on buying fans for the Antec 300 (if you choose it). Petra's Tech Shop is expecting a shipment of their Yate Loon D12SM-12 fans.
Caboose
I'm sure you could save on the RAM still, there's nothing you can really do with 6GB anyway. You could just use DDR2, get 2GB for £20, and maybe one or two more if you feel you need it.
Emo_Nemo
QUOTE (Bob-sama @ Jan 21 2009, 12:33 AM) *
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16811129042
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16822136319
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16814102809
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16817139006
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16820231225
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16813138135
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16819115202

A note--I've heard the Biostar is INCREDIBLY easy to overclock, and "Auto" really takes care of your settings. I've a friend who bought one. He was unimpressed with the inability to set manual settings everywhere, but was impressed with how easy it was to just dial in a higher BCLK and enjoyed a stable system with tight settings. So for the price, the Biostar is great for people who just want to set it and forget it. In the future, fixes to the little manual-settings problem may be released, but it's easier to just enjoy Auto right now. In addition, the HD4850X2 is a faster and overall better card for the money than a 9800GTX+ (yuck!). A Corsair 750TX can handle it too. The only thing you'll need is an OS. I'd say try Windows 7 Beta 1 and maybe grab a Vista image for when there's no Windows 7 available.

Order of purchases: I'd say go after the hard drive, chassis, power supply, and optical drive first. In addition, I'd wait on buying fans for the Antec 300 (if you choose it). Petra's Tech Shop is expecting a shipment of their Yate Loon D12SM-12 fans.


Id hope he throw vista on it as well

I've already run into some pretty serious issues with Win 7 as far as user accounts besides main one not closing windows minimizing maximizing etc
Bob-sama
QUOTE (The Angel Bunny @ Jan 21 2009, 02:05 PM) *
QUOTE (Bob-sama @ Jan 21 2009, 12:33 AM) *
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16811129042
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16822136319
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16814102809
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16817139006
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16820231225
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16813138135
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16819115202

A note--I've heard the Biostar is INCREDIBLY easy to overclock, and "Auto" really takes care of your settings. I've a friend who bought one. He was unimpressed with the inability to set manual settings everywhere, but was impressed with how easy it was to just dial in a higher BCLK and enjoyed a stable system with tight settings. So for the price, the Biostar is great for people who just want to set it and forget it. In the future, fixes to the little manual-settings problem may be released, but it's easier to just enjoy Auto right now. In addition, the HD4850X2 is a faster and overall better card for the money than a 9800GTX+ (yuck!). A Corsair 750TX can handle it too. The only thing you'll need is an OS. I'd say try Windows 7 Beta 1 and maybe grab a Vista image for when there's no Windows 7 available.

Order of purchases: I'd say go after the hard drive, chassis, power supply, and optical drive first. In addition, I'd wait on buying fans for the Antec 300 (if you choose it). Petra's Tech Shop is expecting a shipment of their Yate Loon D12SM-12 fans.


Id hope he throw vista on it as well

I've already run into some pretty serious issues with Win 7 as far as user accounts besides main one not closing windows minimizing maximizing etc

Report it to Microsoft, if you haven't already.

Anyways--there's no OEM versions of Vista on Newegg Canada.
Nrox
QUOTE (Bob-sama @ Jan 21 2009, 12:48 PM) *
QUOTE (The Angel Bunny @ Jan 21 2009, 02:05 PM) *
QUOTE (Bob-sama @ Jan 21 2009, 12:33 AM) *
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16811129042
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16822136319
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16814102809
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16817139006
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16820231225
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16813138135
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...N82E16819115202

A note--I've heard the Biostar is INCREDIBLY easy to overclock, and "Auto" really takes care of your settings. I've a friend who bought one. He was unimpressed with the inability to set manual settings everywhere, but was impressed with how easy it was to just dial in a higher BCLK and enjoyed a stable system with tight settings. So for the price, the Biostar is great for people who just want to set it and forget it. In the future, fixes to the little manual-settings problem may be released, but it's easier to just enjoy Auto right now. In addition, the HD4850X2 is a faster and overall better card for the money than a 9800GTX+ (yuck!). A Corsair 750TX can handle it too. The only thing you'll need is an OS. I'd say try Windows 7 Beta 1 and maybe grab a Vista image for when there's no Windows 7 available.

Order of purchases: I'd say go after the hard drive, chassis, power supply, and optical drive first. In addition, I'd wait on buying fans for the Antec 300 (if you choose it). Petra's Tech Shop is expecting a shipment of their Yate Loon D12SM-12 fans.


Id hope he throw vista on it as well

I've already run into some pretty serious issues with Win 7 as far as user accounts besides main one not closing windows minimizing maximizing etc

Report it to Microsoft, if you haven't already.

Anyways--there's no OEM versions of Vista on Newegg Canada.


Actually there are OEM versions on newegg.ca, it's just buried under piles of other OSes (either that or some scheme by Microsoft to earn them more money tongue.gif)
See this: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?...E16832116488CVF <-- OEM Vista 64-bit Home Premium SP1 (mislabeled as retail for some very odd reason pfft.gif)
firebomb148
QUOTE (Caboose @ Jan 21 2009, 01:51 PM) *
I'm sure you could save on the RAM still, there's nothing you can really do with 6GB anyway. You could just use DDR2, get 2GB for £20, and maybe one or two more if you feel you need it.


I believe there's only 1 or 2 x58 boards that support ddr2 and ddr3 ram, and sadly newegg canada has neither so that's not an option, may aswell take advantage of the triple channel ram
Bob-sama
QUOTE (firebomb148 @ Jan 21 2009, 11:12 PM) *
QUOTE (Caboose @ Jan 21 2009, 01:51 PM) *
I'm sure you could save on the RAM still, there's nothing you can really do with 6GB anyway. You could just use DDR2, get 2GB for £20, and maybe one or two more if you feel you need it.


I believe there's only 1 or 2 x58 boards that support ddr2 and ddr3 ram, and sadly newegg canada has neither so that's not an option, may aswell take advantage of the triple channel ram

X58 is DDR3 only. The processors themselves only have DDR3 controllers. P35, P45, X38, and X48 and variants (maybe P965 too--I don't remember) support DDR2 or DDR3. Anyways--it's up to you if you want to run with massively-overpriced Windows--it's about $20 USD more than it should cost...
firebomb148
QUOTE (Bob-sama @ Jan 21 2009, 11:36 PM) *
QUOTE (firebomb148 @ Jan 21 2009, 11:12 PM) *
QUOTE (Caboose @ Jan 21 2009, 01:51 PM) *
I'm sure you could save on the RAM still, there's nothing you can really do with 6GB anyway. You could just use DDR2, get 2GB for £20, and maybe one or two more if you feel you need it.


I believe there's only 1 or 2 x58 boards that support ddr2 and ddr3 ram, and sadly newegg canada has neither so that's not an option, may aswell take advantage of the triple channel ram

X58 is DDR3 only. The processors themselves only have DDR3 controllers. P35, P45, X38, and X48 and variants (maybe P965 too--I don't remember) support DDR2 or DDR3. Anyways--it's up to you if you want to run with massively-overpriced Windows--it's about $20 USD more than it should cost...


Ah k, it must have been a x48 board I was thinking about then
Bob-sama
QUOTE (Chris @ Jan 22 2009, 10:46 AM) *

I'd say no. They overcharge on everything there. I've been able to price $500 less on a $2000 machine, and the amount only increases as they retail them higher. If you want a good gaming laptop, Gateway has the P-7805u FX, which is the best value in gaming laptops & desktop replacement laptops. That's $1300 for a kick-cabbage machine. Other than that, you can easily match or surpass an Alienware for thousands less, especially on multi-GPU situations. You're not stuck with their generic crap either--you can find the best parts and use them, and overclock when all is said and done. All X58 boards support CrossFireX, and a majority support SLI as well (some through the nForce 200 chip, some through licencing).
Chris
I only want to get an i7 and Gateway is very good at not telling you whats in their computers.

I am willing to pay extra for monthly payments to get what I want, I cannot get that Alienware free laptop due to it being a US only deal and USD only. I would have either kept the laptop and live with an expensive pair, or I could have sold the laptop on ebay.

Are there any online computer part stores that are like newegg/ncix/tigerdirect/ect but offer monthly payments?
Emo_Nemo
QUOTE (Chris @ Jan 22 2009, 12:48 PM) *
I only want to get an i7 and Gateway is very good at not telling you whats in their computers.

I am willing to pay extra for monthly payments to get what I want, I cannot get that Alienware free laptop due to it being a US only deal and USD only. I would have either kept the laptop and live with an expensive pair, or I could have sold the laptop on ebay.

Are there any online computer part stores that are like newegg/ncix/tigerdirect/ect but offer monthly payments?



Not sure what you mean by them not telling what they put in there that info is ussually very easy to find out prior to purchasing.

Only other online retailer I can think of is Amazon
Bob-sama
QUOTE (Chris @ Jan 22 2009, 12:48 PM) *
I only want to get an i7 and Gateway is very good at not telling you whats in their computers.

I am willing to pay extra for monthly payments to get what I want, I cannot get that Alienware free laptop due to it being a US only deal and USD only. I would have either kept the laptop and live with an expensive pair, or I could have sold the laptop on ebay.

Are there any online computer part stores that are like newegg/ncix/tigerdirect/ect but offer monthly payments?

Gateway's been up-front and honest, just like all the others for the past decade or so. They use Delta-OEM power supplies, their systems are made more appropriately, and on laptops and the such, you usually get a better value. All of my family (except me) runs Gateway notebooks, and have since the "early days". I'm the only one standing out with my Asus EeePC (which I need to RMA). Anyways--most etailers offer montly payments. I would suggest you DON'T take their deal, and just pay with credit card instead. They commonly charge insane interest rates and commonly have sketchy terms.
Chris
I just wouldnt mind paying a few hundred dollars more as long as I am able to get whatever I want in trms of parts. tongue.gif
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