I use a Mac. Because I like it. Woopdeedeedleday.

I wish there is way to combine the fluent workflow and the elegant look of a mac, with the cheap raw power and good compatibility of a PC.

Then that'll be a hell of a machine.

It's called a hackintosh, but let's keep that on the down low.

Have you ever been to an apple store?

What? You can't say it's such a simple program and that you can't customize it and it's for people who aren't very good with computers. Macs are much easier to use.

The default software is at an incredibly high standard. Whereas on a PC many people would get Elements for their photo editing if they're an interesting amateur, iPhoto is fine. Garage band is an incredibly complex and powerful piece of software. iWeb is excellent for websites, especially since all Macs already have Apache installed so all you need is you IP adresss, and iMovie easily beats WMM.


Explain how Windows are more compatible with Macs and Linux than Macs are with Windows and Linux.


Name programs that there isn't an app for...

Macs also work out of the box etc.

You guys are forgetting, this is the best arguement out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz9NMVMwB9o...feature=related

So obviously Mac users are prepared to pay hundreds of pounds more for a computer with good starting software, customer support, ease of use, and looks, but that sadly is a huge rip-off because every single component is overpriced. Oh and that also won't come anywhere close to the performance of Windows computers in the same price area.

Doesn't sound that great to me. I don't need customer support, because when I have a problem I use Google or Sals (both of which are generally far more helpful). I don't need looks because all my desktop does is sit underneath my desk all day. And I'm quite prepared for it to take me a bit longer to get used to the system if it means I save money.

I've been to a shop with Apple products in it, if that's what you mean...

What's a simple program? But PCs are easily customizable, and i mean really easily. If you can't figure out how to do that then... well, yeah... But no, i can't figure out what anything does on a Mac. I mean, i just manage to get by opening and closing programs, but i had to be told how to do even that.

GIMP, Paint.net, Sumo Paint. ACID, Finale Notepad, Tapper. Notepad (actually, if you use anything other than HTML and other languages for creating webpages, then you're cheating, Notepad 2, Page Breeze. WMM, Avid Free DV, Wax. They're just programs off the top of my head, and most of them surpass retail programs in almost every way. But my reasoning is this:

Narb Editor - Couldn't care less, use Paint
Amature Editor - Use decent open source programs, maybe Photoshop Elements
Proffesional Editor - CS3/4

Nowhere on that list do i see a person willing to spend two or three times as much to get some pretty sub standard default programs. If you have that much money to spend on editing programs, then you would get a PC and some top end programs, not a Mac and use it's free programs. If you care about it at all then you wouldn't be using default programs anyway, unless you're doing Pixel Art.

They kind of are... i don't know what you're talking about though. If you mean swapping documents, then OpenOffice does that with Microsfot Office perfectly well. Don't know what you use on Macs, but it certainly isn't surported.

Okay, i can name pleanty of programs that there isn't an app for. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-..._PC_video_games

And pre bought PCs work straight out of the box.

You are actually being silly about this point. The actual words you said were 'Macs are more compatable than PCs', whereas anybody who has done any research into the topic will know this is a downright lie. The very fact that there has to be a Mac Port, as you said, proves my point. And others have said this, so this is the last time i will bother to touch on the topic, Microsoft have a bigger market share (by a huge margin). They are obviously going to be more compatable, with software, of course, and hardware? Look, this doesn't even deserve an answer.

No, I mean an Apple Store.


Sorry, OS rather. If you can't figure out how to open a program on a Mac, then how the hell do you do it on Windows? Because you've been taught. I think seeing an icon and clicking on it is much easier to understand than pressing the start button, clicking all programs and then another button.


And Macs have all those as well - better versions for some things.


Have you actually been on any of these programs? And I find programs like Photoshop work much better on a Mac, along with most graphic software. Photoshop websites mostly say Mac is the designer's choice.



Other than games? But what sort of windows programs are there such as Tweetie, Facebook Photo Uploader, Todos, Camouflage, Jump Cut, Quick silver etc.?


I've never had such a quick start up/install on a Mac. I had to spend an hour reading through the instruction manuals trying to get the TV function set up, which never worked...


Program wise they're equally as compatible, in terms of external devices, there's pretty much always a Mac equivalent.

Never heard of them. Are there actually any in the UK? Or do they not have a big enough market share?

That's not the only way. I mainly use quick start, and i've set most of the programs i use to open on start up. Then i have my games folder on my desktop, and i'm set.

My point being that default programs don't mean shizzle. Although i've never seen a better open source program on a mac, they should all work equally well. Show me one.

Yes, at school. They were originally designed for the mac, but the more recent ports have made them work equally well on Windows. But i never use photoshop anymore. Sumo Paint is my personal favorite.

"Name programs that don't work on macs"
*names programs*
"Apart from those"

Besides, most of the one's you mentioned are, as far as i can tell, for social networking sites. I pride myself on my ability not to use them. Although if i'm honest, i haven't heard of the others. Explain them to me and i'll try and find a windows alternative.

I like setting my new PC up with all of it's new features and taking advantage of it's new hardware that's better and cheaper than the old hardware.

They just aren't. Being a mac user you might not know this, but there's something inside that pretty white case of yours. Anyway, choice is good. And those eqivillents... aren't so equivalent.

You've got to be kidding me...


And that's easier than a dock, how?


You say notepad2 I say text edit, you say WMM i say iMovie...



We all know Macs fail at games...

Tweetie, Facebook Photo Uploader, Todos, Camouflage, Jump Cut, Quick silver etc.?



I don't.


What? Inside the white case of mine? They f*cking lied to me!

I'm not

Because i simply click... besides, i'm so used to the interface that i can have any program open with a swipe of the hand across the keyboard. When i pull one of those moves off i feel somewhat better inside

That has nothing to do with the point i made...

Yes. *as a gamer* We do.

I can't imagine a use for any of those programs.

So you enjoy paying more for less?

Okay, do you ever go shopping?


Have you heard of spaces?


For each of those programs I feel the Mac one is better.


But I'm not a gamer.


Well what programs are useful then? What about uploading to youtube within seconds of filming on your Mac by using the feature in iMovie, or podcasting?


No, there are different factors involved. For a gamer, a Mac would be useless, but the workflow is much better on a Mac. I really have no use for any better specs than I have...

Yes. More online though.

They ring a bell. What's your point?

Well they're practically the same anyway. But if you pay that much more on a computer for default programs, why not get a better PC and buy better programs for the same price?

Programs that are useful are programs that are useful... it's not hard to grasp. Like, a clock, is useful. But something that tells you the time anywhere in the world, is nifty. Something that put's the time between Rick Astleys but cheeks isn't usefull.

The workflow? What are you talking about?

Mmkay, perhaps that's why.


It's just a very easy way of doing what you're doing on a Mac.


Because I prefer Macs, and I don't need high level programs.


And those Apps are all useful.


The way you work, how easily etc.

Yes to all of though's and little what I think:
As Magical pointed out, a Mac is useless to a Gamer so 90% of the people here are gamers because their using RS. That's gaming, I've never used a Mac in my unholy life, never will because when i go to collage I'm getting a cheaper PC. I use many games meaning I NEED a PC.

I've never seen one in real life though... anywhere.

It's easy already.

If you don't need those high level programs then why not just get a PC and use open source software, save yourself 50%?

How? What are they even supposed to do?

How easily you work? I still don't understand. Anyway, how is it easier on a mac?

Have you ever been to London, or Birmingham or Liverpool or Bristol or... any major city in the UK?


And Mac's just as easy.


Because I prefer Macs...


Did you even look at the links?

The way you can drag pictures from the web or any document into Photoshop or word. The way you can drag text onto the desktop, how everything fits seamlessly with one another etc.

Of course. I live just above Newcastle.

But on a PC, it's cheaper. And there are tons more benefits.

Personal preference has to have reasoning somewhere along the line...

Meh... i skimmed through them. I dictated the first two were pointless and the third i couldn't even understand what it was trying to tell me, so i gave up.

You can do that on a PC... and why would you want text on your desktop? Besides, draging and dropping is a stupid way to do things. It may look cool, but the advantages end there. It leaves countless pieces of junk floating around in the cache.

Used to live in Newcastle, but they don't have an Apple store there.


Few of which I find more important than the Mac ones.


I agree.


Sorry, I forgot you like things nice and simple, like on a PC - oh, wait a second...


You can drag right to photoshop on a PC? For me it just says you can't place items in the task bar. Perhaps saving a note etc. Dragging is very simple, clever and easy thing to do. So does copy and pasting, doesn't it?

That would explain it...

But they are hard to ignore, are they not?

I meant explain your reasoning to me

I fail to see your point here. I like things to be usable, if that's what you mean.

I copy and paste more than i drag and drop. But you can't figure out how to drag and drop on a PC... seriously? Highlight the text you want (or just drag an image) then drag it onto the document.

True, but they are also countered by the things about Mac.


I know you did

• Simple to use.
• Fast.
• Reliable.
• Good looking.
• Good software.
• Good OS.
• Most of my friends have Macs.
• Better iPod compatibility.
• Free iPod
• Customer support.
• Product Accessories.

I was making the point people go on about how simple Macs are that an 8 year old can use them.


Yeah, so I have a browser open, and then I drag the picture to the little photoshop rectangle at the bottom, and it says "You can not put things into the task bar" or similar.

6 and 2 3's?

Opinion
Definitely not compared with PCs of the same price
As are most PCs
Hardly, besides, there are a lot of PCs that are bite the back of your hand beatutiful.

Opinion, although we all know that really Linux has the best potential.
Peer pressure aye?
Not really, it\'s exactly the same.
Draw you in then strike you down
Dell customer surport for one is amazing. My friend ordered a PC with a 64bit OS, he got a 32bit. He rang them, and they sent him a new PC. And this was an expnsive bit of kit.
There are more peripherals for PCs.

That may be, but i don\'t think that this kid is eight: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsI2DRCKQrU

No, you drag it on top of the tab, and it opens (still dragging), then you can put it in the document wherever you want it to be.

I don't think so.

My experience shows otherwise.

Ugh no. They're all incredibly clunky, the red on the dell looks cheap and the keyboards and mouse look horrific :-(


Perhaps lol.


Compatibility etc.


What are they referring to?


I've found Apple to be excellent.


And I haven't found something for Windows which I need that can't be found on a Mac.


And the Mac programs are just as simple. Do you think that will actually work as well normally? lol


Still doesn't work

I have been using Windows computers in some way or other since the age of 3. I have been using them properly since the age of 5.

I believe you see young children as rather less intelligent than they are.

I was merely quoting a PC user from this topic.

It's just it sounds a bit silly, because it sounds like you have to be eight years old to use a Mac. That doesn't exactly imply great ease of use.

There's no 'think' about it. You can get an iMac for £1800 with:

• 3.06GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
• 4GB memory
• 1TB hard drive
• 8x double-layer SuperDrive
• NVIDIA GeForce GT 130 with 512MB memory
• 24" monitor

Whereas i can get a PC with

• AMD Phenom II X4 940BE
• Corsair Twin 2X 4GB (2x2GB) DDR2
• Samsung Spin Point F1 SATAII 1TB
• Pioneer DVR-116DBK
• 2 x Saphire ATI HD4770
• 24" monitor

For less than £800. By the way, that outperforms the iMac in every imaginable situation.

I've never had a PC crash on me, unless it was over 5 years old and gave up the ghost, which really is longer than any Mac should last, since they have more problems with overheating and such likes.

I updated the post btw, more prettier images. But you can't think that macs look better than those. I mean, what is a mac? It is a grey box. really, it's black and grey and it is in the shape of a box. Macs are styled by people who think that in the future everything will be chromed. Those PCs were stlyed by people with imagination. Also, the mac keyboard is stupid. It's uncomfortable and it's too small. The mouse on the other hand is less comfortable than it's namesake... a stone.

Well, at the minute the only thing that Linux isn't best at really is gaming, and you said you didn't care about it (so why are you on a Runescape forum? ).

No, peer preasure from your friends is what i meant.

I was referring to the free iPod. I personally prefer my iRiver Clix 2... and my Creative Zen.

Give a situation.

People don't design things for a mac, they design things to work with windows then occasionally make a cheap solution to sell them to mac users. Again, more choice, better hardware and cheaper to buy.

Erm, yes. Plug in, put in email, send to recipient... sounds about right.

It does work, trust me. Highlight some text on a page. Open a word window. Drag the text from the page, into the toolbar over the word window, wait for notepad to open and drop it in there. That works for prety much everything. You can also do it if they're side by side and such likes. It works better in Ubuntu as well, and Windows 7 is very touch screen friendly so that's basically all drag and drop. Besides : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CdYKaA6XXA


And @ below, children are faster learners.

What? It was implying that if a seven, six or what not year old can use it to a high standard then it must be incredibly easy to use. I don't understand how you can see opposite?

You said eight years old. Last time I checked that meant eight and not six or seven.

It takes teaching and training to get children to use computers with proficiency. I don't see how something dumb like an operating system or different mouse setup would really make a difference for children. As long as they are taught how to use it, it's going to be pretty much the same ability between Mac and PC. I know my brother has been using a PC since age 3, and had been able to use a Mac since that age, after he learned the basic differences.

Operating System doesn't mean anything when it comes to this age thing.

The start bar is much easier to use than finder.

I think the age thing was just an example anyway. But children are the fastest learners.

And don't ignore my post, even though it kind of got lost. Just because the person i aimed it at posted before i finished mine, so they won't see the new post. Anyway, i'm telling them to read it now

Bwuh, what? How?

First off, I don't need those specs - so if you can get me a military grade computer used for controlling submarines for less than £1800 I wouldn't be bothered.


What, you're comparing a Mac to this? I want something small, sleek and not clunky. I don't want the Blackpool illuminations sticking out the side nor do I want 73 USB slots and three audio outputs. I find the Mac keyboard easy to type on and the mouse incredibly easy to you. If you don't want to use those, just like I did with my PC, go to PC World and buy yourself a headphone, speakers, mouse and keyboard package for £27.37


Gaming as in CoD etc. Runescape actually plays better on a Mac than my PC does...

I know, and I'm saying it wasn't that.


I prefer iPods to Zens just my opinion though.


The genius bar.


Give me an example.


I was talking about the photo-merge what not.


For images into photoshop, when I try and drag them into the rectangle it just says I can't put things into the task bar.

@Shu: You're right.

Surely if you could buy a better, faster computer for the same amount of money, you would go for it?

I certainly would.

No, because there are lots of things I prefer about Macs. And I have no need for a computer than has some fancy lighting or an incredibly powerful graphics card at the moment.

To be honest, I might be supporting the Mac side if it wasn't for the fact they're so expensive and overpriced. For poor people like me Windows computers are more economical

Yeah, I kinda agree. I much prefer the OS etc. but I can understand why people say they're a rip off...

Or indeed a better, faster PC for a grand less, you'd have to be mad to refuse.

And that's just one image. I was mainly showing off all the variation and imagination in PC styles. Hell, you can even make one yourself if none of them suit you.

Well there's always Wine. And in that case you have a rubbish PC...

I was just jesting...

I think iPods are too branded. Really, most people think 'i need something to play music on the go' and then 'where's the nearest iPod store?' without doing any market research or anything. I did, and i found something that suited me better but anyway, let's leave this behind as it's off topic and it is just opinion.

I was referring to Customer Support. Also, Spotify > iTunes

Meh, i've never tried myself. But it can't be that hard.

I'll make a video to prove it to you. I'll upload it to youtube, and post it when it's finished (i'll have to use my broken version of Elements 3, but it should proove the point).

I have nothing against OS X, in fact I really enjoy using it (on good hardware), but the price is a really good repellent. I'll try to get up a working hackintosh sometime, maybe I'll buy a cheap 200-300 dollar laptop and put OS X on it.

It's not better to me because it's not the specs I'm interested in. You can buy £300 Macs, mine cost £750. They're hyped up as really expensive, but in the long term I don't think they are.


Fair enough.

Wine?


Can't complain if it's free, though.

Genius bar is customer support. Also, iTunes < Spotify. TGS LIES!!!!


Okay :-)

Meh, i suppose i haven't done that much research into buying one. Still, you have to admit that i found a brand new PC for £800 that was practically twice as good as the brand new £1800 iMac.

-

Wine is a windows emulator for Linux. It lets you use a lot of games and programs, including drivers for your hardware.

Let's link these two points. "You can't complain if it's free though" no, you most certainly can't. And guess what else is free... oh yeah, Spotify. Pardon me for thinking that my free music collection with almost instantaneous playback that has everything that i would ever want to listen too, along with the music collection i already had is better than your pay-per-song-takes-ages-to-download service. And The Gadget Show is prophecy!

What is the Geneus bar anyway? Something you use to hit the Mac with when it stops working? Does it come with the purchase?

Video's finished by the way... just uploading it now. Read the description first though, i just did it the cheap way and cut a lot of corners

The genius bar is kinda cool. It's the top bar that changes the file/edit/tools/etc etc depending on whatever window is active. I HAD it installed on my Ubuntu (before I formatted it) and I noticed that I would get a bit more screen room, but I also found that it really slowed down multi tasking. The file/edit/tools/etc only shows up on the active window, which means you have to click on each window to use them, while in windows I can have them side by side and work faster.

Personal opinion.

Good in terms of hard ware, yes.


iTunes is much better for video, downloading songs, portability, no adverts etc. If I want to listen to songs I'll listen on youtube.


http://www.apple.com/uk/retail/geniusbar/ Red monke, that's the menu bar at the top Though it's really useful, I have google mail, twitter etc. on it


Can't wait

speaking of Genius Bar apple has specialists that you can make an appointment with if you need tech support at anytime. you can call apple care if you hard drive goes out. they will replace it for you free of charge. over all apple's customer care is the best.

MacFormat were unimpressed by Applecare when they tested it undercover

Here's the article on Tech Radar:

http://www.techradar.com/news/computing/ap...92250?artc_pg=2

They tested a Genius with three different problems. Here are their opinions of the Genius for each problem:

Not going to lie, I lol'd when I saw that webpage.

Macs were not made in 1998 LOL . Little known fact is that bill gates stole code from apple to make windows.

I use both i don't see the point in arguing or calling each one stupid.

Never mind, I'm stupid.

I have to agree. I use both iTunes and Spotify, but I definitely prefer Spotify. I can live with the occasional advert if it means my music is free. The only adverts I ever seem to get seem to be 'your local blood bank is running low on supplies of type O negative' anyway

redmonke!

Anyways, this is starting to become a flame topic to be honest