And who cares if it has a sharper screen, it's really not going to make a difference on such a small screen, that was my point.

If redmonke is saying it has all these features which makes it better, I'm saying that for people like myself, and probably 1000s of others out there, it own't make a difference. Mainly people who have a plug in their house.

Apple caters to my needs, and so does Microsoft to an extent.


I understand that, and I'm saying unless they market it properly then it won't make a difference what technology they use. How many people in the market as a whole would understand what an OLED Screen is? They'll really need to plug the better battery and screen sharpness... But hey, there might be a new touch out by then anyway...


I don't get how if you don't use the video, your audio-playback will in increase? And as I said, I don't believe many people will go 16 hours without having access to a charger.

But it's so nice to know statistically that I can use a Zune on an off (2 hours a day for when I transit around the place) and not have to charge it for 4 weeks

Magical, you're just being obnoxious here. From what we've seen so far, (which, if i'm honest, isn't that much) this Zune will be better in almost every way than the iPod Touch. And you're saying that despite all of these features, it will fail because of a bad advertising campaign and it will still be worse than the iPod Touch... forgive me if i can't see your reasoning here, but dude...

It does make a difference on a smaller screen, trust me. I've got one, a 2.2" screen. I just changed from a 2.2" back lit LED MP3 player, and the quality and clarity is nothing short of amazing.

You're arguing that having less battery life is a worse thing... in no imaginable situation is that true. Just, dude... it's not.

They don't cater to your needs. They release products that will make them money. Fortunately for us, competition makes better, cheaper products. Better, cheaper products that we can buy.

This next point is difficult to interpret. You're saying that people won't know about it's superior screen due to bad advertising. Look, i understand hypothesizing but you've seen the absolute raw specifications of the device, nothing else. Your either a really big Apple fanboy or a severe pessimist, or doomsayer. Which one will it be?

Because you don't actually turn your screen off. You just dim the backlight, there's still power going to it.

And your point about not going a day without access to a charger, maybe not. But say, i'm a Zune owner... i have no need. Who would go out of their way to charge there device just to prove a point, dude you're just grasping at straws.

Then don't use a Touch and use a Shuffle.

Ever drive to Florida or California from a state like Michigan?

Exactly, you never know when you need extra battery life.

I drove from mid Texas to Georgia. Took around 20 hours (10 just to leave Texas). Driving from Canada to where I live takes about 25 hours, which I've done before (and so does the rest of my family ). I could be watching movies the whole ride down instead of having the screen off and only music playing.

Or driving to Italy from Northern England... skiing trips ftw!

If you read my post; I did not say it would fail. I said if they do what they did last time it will fail.

It does make a difference on a smaller screen, trust me. I've got one, a 2.2" screen. I just changed from a 2.2" back lit LED MP3 player, and the quality and clarity is nothing short of amazing.


I'm not saying it's a worse thing, I'm saying have 16 hours of video against 8 hours of video is good, but that it's like saying a car can go up to 500mph, because it's not needed. How will the gaming and the apps be on the Zune, because that's what I'd imagine most Touch users spend time on.

Do you even know the price, or what Apple's price will be? Last time the Zunes were more expensive.


No, I'm saying they need to really press hard on the advertising and do it very well, they'll stand no chance.


Really? But if I toggle the screen brightness all the way down on my Mac or PC, I can sometimes see the text beneath. On my iPod, though, I can't see anything.


I'm grasping at straws? The product hasn't even been released, and you're saying it's better because of a longer battery life and a radio. What about price, usability, accessories etc.? Apple currently hold the leading market share, so like in PC/Mac Debate, they'll be more products for them, better support etc.

As far as advertising they are spending 100m alone on just a tv advertising campaign for their new search engine this one will get some major advertising dollars.
As far as pricing goes my Zune 8gb was cheaper then the comparable nano and at the same time does more. They will be the same price Microsoft has the revenue to even go cheaper id they wanted to.
Usability here is a video just the prototype has a more fluid interface then the iPod touch with absolutely no signs of lag. Even the accelerometer is faster notice on iPhone and other phones it takes a few seconds to change orientation. The Zune does it instantly.

Either way i'll buy it whether it becomes big or not I don't base my decisions on if everyone else has one.

Still, there were some good quality adverts for the Zune, as i showed you. What went wrong exactly?

You haven't replied to this comment.

It's not like that at all though, with a car such as that you wont hope to reach it's potential, at least not on legal roads. But with a longer battery life, you will take advantage of it. You don't charge it after 6 hours of use, which is what you would do if it were the same as the car. You wait until it's depleted, then recharge it. I can't envisage charging this device more than once a week. As for gaming and the apps, i assume it will be plentiful. The hardware seems to be more capable than the iPods and you can easily develop games for the current Zune, so i don't see why it should be different.

No, i don't know the pricing. But as far as i know, in the states the Zunes were cheaper. Also, how would Microsoft hope to compete in such a market with overpriced goods? I predict it will be like ATI v nVidia, always dropping prices to compete with the other. All the better for us consumers

I don't see why, i mean there will always be ignorant people who buy things just for their popularity, but if it does turn out okay then i see no reason for people not to get it over an iPod touch, especially if it does turn out cheaper. A few people on these forums certainly might, despite advertising, although as Emo pointed out there's enough money going into advertising to make it good.

I may be wrong, but i've read a lot of good sources that say you're just turning the screen black, not off. This allows it to be turned back on a lot faster, but with a larger power drain.

I never said it would be better. I'm reserving judgement until at least after E3, but from what i have seen so far i'm hopefull that it will be a good product. And since Microsoft hold a larger market share in the PC market, it's likely that there will be more PC/Zune compatability than that of the iPhone.

TV Commercials aren't everything in adverts.


Unless you have a really bad quality ripper, I still don't think it's going to make that big a difference.


As I said earlier, I don't think there is that much use in having an extra 8 hours of video playback, not that it's not a good thing. In terms of development, the Touch has the head start, with lots of developers skilled in designing for the iPhone/Touch.


When they released one type of Zune, they sold them $10 under Apple's rival product, Apple immediately dropped the price meaning Zunes were more expensive.


iPods didn't just revolutionize the portable media market, they made them a fashion accessory...

You're probably right, but it can't be with that large a power drain. And when it's off as well, for example during the day when you don't need it all the time.

Hands on photos and video tour.

BUT:
What about your own pictures/videos/music?
Will there be 3rd party applications?
How about a phone in it?
I love my iTouch, and stand by it, but this looks very interesting... Looks like an advanced version of Windows Mobile.
~Vincent
EDIT: Saw walk-through, and it looks like it is a pressure sensitive touch screen. Apple uses heat, which I find to be more accurate, especially when I am typing something in. It also doesn't look to have nice graphics (like apps) like the iTouch does, but then again, We'll see.

I hope you realize that nobody takes you seriously.

Nothing will beat my iPod Touch.

Page 3 explains why it does.

@Vini: Will there be a phone in it? I don't think your iPod Touch has a phone in it.

Contradict self much?

And red, we're only on page 2... although i do have 50 posts per page

It's probably gonna cost way too much for my broke aXe to buy ! ohwell sounds pretty cool.