What happened?

I remember trekking through this board when I was younger (although in a different "persona) even releasing some of my work (which most was left unfinished.) and being amazed at pieces from Kingy, Legend, Joe,Doom, and that one guy that's name started with a C, etc. But not all I see is blobs of random colors splashed onto a "canvas". Pixels are exactly what it sounds like. Pieces of art made pixel by pixel Not un-proportional cartoon images that can be made in 3 minutes using the brush tool. I'm not saying that everyone's not trying anymore, I'm saying the majority of people aren't. Since I've logged on the past 2 weeks, I've yet to see 1 quality piece. I'm losing interest in this board now; a board that was once my favorite of all. One that I was so indulged in I decided to try this "art" myself.

I'm not the best pixeler, no. But I want to see more people pixelling- and actually pixelling, not vomiting on a canvas and calling it art. I myself have begun pixelling and am working on one piece. Hopefully I see this board restored as it once was. I'm tired of people wiping their butts and calling the outcome "art".

I'm just saying.

I was about to say art standards improved since I was here but then I took a look
I agree but this topic has been made before and it failed mostly because art can't be standardized.

btw this is one of my best

But I think there's a pretty obvious distinction between what's good and what's not. ;)

I tried pixeling and found that it took too much time, which I'm guessing many others thought.

Tch! True artists will not be squandered by the mindless ramblings of one too incompetent to understand the concept of something that is greater than them.

I agree, I made one of these topics ages ago... does nothing.. people will still post lame things. All the 'greats' have left this forum and gone onto better things in their life.

I tried pixeling, and to me, it came out well. I made it better then my own expectations, so i was happy. Some of you may not have liked it, but i still thought it was great.

Thats why this board is like this. Pixels take time. You can't just sit down and make one in an hour, it days days to complete, and by the end of that time, even if it's not amazing, the artist will still believe they made something great (much like i did.)

But i do agree that the last 2 pixels i have seen submitted on this board are pretty bad, so i hope your new pixel brings out a new best in Sal's!

Thanks guys, and what happened to JNR J. I went all the way in the last topics and noticed JNR J and remember right there, he was a great pixeller.

And Reap, did you make that big one? I remember you, but you mostly did small pieces although they were great. Looks like you've changed your name alot since I left. Lol.

and Redmonke, I remember being here when you first started pixelling, and i think I posted in many of your topic, though; I can't qiute remember

I'm just saying.

I resent the fact I'm not on this list!

Okay, i'm not a good pixeller, but I was still around then and I like to think I was better than the quality now.

And the quality now is bad, I don't even come to the pixel studio much any more.

I think I did one pixel a year or two ago and it was awful, so I gave up on it. Took way too much time.

Jnr J is http://runescape.salmoneus.net/forums/inde...p?showuser=2145

I don't get time to do it anymore. I started on a while back and never finished it. But i agree with what you're saying. If I could just get interested in it again.

I WILL finish that eventually. School and stuff's just been a lot busier this year, meaning less time to pixel.

deja vu
seriously

Not everyone is good at art/pixel art and not a lot of people are good at it on this forum. We have a very small quantity of people who can actually pixel in good quality. And...who cares? It's not like you're getting paid big money for them because most pixels that take 2+ days only sell for around $20-30 USD.

not yelo has a good point, and tbh it shouldnt matter if someone pixels aint as good as a pro like Ethans. I say just be happy that people are actualy coming here and posting what they've created, sure give them some CC but dont be too harsh on them just because they aint that good, right?

I remember your avatar, but not your name. It's not a list anyway




I know your not getting paid, but why post if your not posting actual PIXEL ART?
Globs of the preset colors in paint using the brush tool is not pixeling.




I don't need it to be pro, what I'm saying is; why have a dog if your neglecting it?

I'm just saying.

The first is overreacting. Look around this forum. Any globs of paint? No.
People are trying. You may not think it, but they are. Don't tell me how to think. People have time to improve. If you go around grinding crap into their faces they're bound to quit.

Who knows? We might have somebody terrible who turns out to be the next pixel prodigy. If you keep treating everyone new like shizzle then we won't.

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You sir are correct. I tried the Rip Kit and it's the only thing I really put any effort into. And nothing against or for Kingy, but I think he had to put out a few Vs of Bunny Kit before he actually had a good kit going there. I do agree about seeing random sh** here now, since most of these people are newbie forumers and don't know a lot about pixeling but want to get started right away

Go into pixel requests, you will be mortified.

Look around the forum, you'll see globs of paint, photoshopped stuff, etc.

But I agree with the improvement part. The thing is, you need to get people drawn towards pixelling. A lot of people who come here post a few times, then quit. They need to continue pixelling in order to improve.

Not only that, but a lot of stuff here is old, we need to take down all of the old tutorials to be honest, and make new ones. We need to give people help when they need it. I remember way way back when I first joined, there was that pixel mentoring system. Better artists helped newer ones, and it just worked out well for awhile.

We need to improve this place as a community.

Not in the professional industry. Ever heard of Game Design?

http://runescape.salmoneus.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=280440

http://runescape.salmoneus.net/forums/inde...howtopic=280287

http://runescape.salmoneus.net/forums/inde...howtopic=283124

http://runescape.salmoneus.net/forums/inde...howtopic=278339

And as to the creators of these pieces, please know I mean no offense to you, but I'm merely stating my opinion. So that I can share with others.
And you seem to be mad by the fact that I'm posting this, let me tell you- your pulling crap out your ass now, never did I tell you how to think.

Kingy is right no point: http://runescape.salmoneus.net/forums/inde...howtopic=276009






Hell, I'm better off putting this in the debate forums.


Well said

I'm just saying.

What do you mean.. "kingy is right no point"

I don't quite remember what I was trying to say- but I probably meant Kingy is to the point or something.

I'm just saying.

People have different styles, you cant critisise that, but there are extents, if you say there are "blobs" then yeah that's bad but.. there isn't.

I use the line tool, so what? It's an effective style, others use the small pencil tool. Looks great! But not everyone is expected to do that.

Bassically I'm saying you can't tell people what to do unless you're simply trying to help them, from what I see this is just a rant. If I'm wrong forgive me

I wouldn't call this a rant, more of a majority upset. The line tool doesn't bother me, not at all, the [i[brush[/i] tool does. I did go to far with the whole "blob" thing, but grabbing the biggest stencil on the brush tool and having nearly no shading doesn't help either.

And the fact that people post buddy kits and claim it as their pixel makes me mad to.

I'm just saying.

you're saying crappy pixeling with no shading and horrendous outlines isn't pixeling? BLASPHEMY!

I KNOE HUH?!!?

Im Juss saing,

It makes you mad now does it? Have you ever pixeled or made a kit by any chance?

I think he answers that (vaguely) in the first question.

What Joe said.

Don't test me.

I'm just saying.

You may be "Just saying" like you always seem to be. but the fact is people who may not be good as others is becasue their new? every day, week someone new comes to the graphics place. you cant expect them to be top notch, thats all people seem to expect from people these days. I mean sure people can get as good as you people expect them too, but without our CC they can't, and thats why these topics DONT help things AT ALL. You want standerds to improve? Help them instead of trying to be better than everyone else.

I'm not trying to be better than anyone. But shouldn't it be a duty to understand the line between pixel art and doodling? When you see such a difference, you can't blur as to what each one is and you should be inspired to try your own, while knowing the basic concepts of the art.

I'm just saying.

We all start somewhere surely that's common sense to anyone? Did you start off doing what you call "acceptable pixel art"?

There's a difference between blobs/doodles and actual pixel art.

My point exactly.

Hell, I'll look for my first pixel if I can dig it up somewhere. I probably don't have it, though.

Meh juss' sayin'

Completely agree with what everyone is saying here, my first pixel took a few days, not a few minutes, and I studied a few really good pixels (thanks mrxman!). I sometimes come back and browse these forums, and all I can see are very few good pieces amongst all the crap that is now plaguing these forums. I honestly think they should either create a "digital art" forum seperate from "pixel art," where it is made clear that the "digital art" INCLUDES pictures drawn on the computer, just so all these terrible blobs that some consider "pixels" can be filtered out.

I don't even bother checking up on this place much anymore, unless I feel like a good laugh. Honestly.

thanks - and I can't seem to find my old pixels but I am working on a piece as I speak.

Erm, heres my oldest piece:

http://img201.imageshack.us/img201/2158/av...kbowver2gg1.png

You guys probably know my old account by now, not to popular round these parts

I'm just saying.

Ah I get it, so you want everyone to be a controlled in what they produce yes?

I remember that one. Just forget your name. D:

Zach, what he wants, is for people to not post what isn't pixel art in the pixel art forum, eg. doodle, scribbles, NPA, etc.

wait what he wants people to post things that arnt pixel art in the pixel section ????????? huh that makes no sence to me

He wants people to not post what isn't pixel art in this section.

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Can't we all just get along? If you feel a piece of art should belong in the Digital Media section or if it truly is mindless doodling then just report the topic and request it to be moved.

What does bickering on a topic do? Nothing.

What does trying to tell your annoying kid sibling who is 8 ing years old not to bother you or constantly annoy you by spitting in your ear or fingerpainting on your new iPod while you are trying to have sex do? Nothing, damn it, nothing!

My first pixel wasn't very good. It was a sig (and an avatar that i cut out of the sig) and used limited shading and dithering techniques, but it was still a pixel. It took about an hour and i improved it from cc on this forum, and as it happens i used them for quite a while. I was happy with it, but then i explored this forum to see what else i could do. I found a few good pieces, and i tried to aim for those but then i realized that most 'pixel art' is actually just dragon boots that are one (and if we're lucky, two) solid colours on a badly drawn shoe with a spike on it, that let's be honest i could do in less than a minute. After this i just lost faith, and i haven't done a pixel since. Shame, because i really quite enjoyed it and i would like to get into it, but this forum is supposed to be for people who actually want to do it, not just post cheap dragon boots.

The funny thing is, pixeling isn't really that hard, if you all helped the newbies out the standard would improve

Thats my first pixel, no help at all

Pixeling properly is very hard, and it requires one thing that many people are short of: patience. You've not read anything in this topic though have you, because you've just completely ignored the points we're trying to raise.

And that's not a pixel, that's just shaded digital art.

I disagree

How can you disagree? This is part of the problem, that nobody is willing to admit that there is one. It's simply not a pixel, there's no dithering or AA and it looks as if all the shading was done with the brush tool.

Dithering does not= pixel, in fact, I very much dislike dithering, dither is for use on textured surfaces. and AA isn't a required aspect either.

You need glasses, son.

but it is a required aspect that it be pixel by pixel not the brush line circle etc they make it just digi art


im pretty sure it wasnt done with the brush tool just dont see it