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farbods0
http://www.apple.com/iphone/?cid=OAS-US-DOMAINS-iphone.com
New iphone coming out next Thursday. Worth it? I think yes since it was the same price as the old iphone (3g) before the price drop and it has more memory than the 8gb that used to be 199
Ramon
I'm really glad that I didn't shell money for the 2.0 firmware now.
Definition
QUOTE (Ramon @ Jun 8 2009, 10:20 PM) *
I'm really glad that I didn't shell money for the 2.0 firmware now.


$10 is sheding?
Emo_Nemo
QUOTE (Ramon @ Jun 8 2009, 10:20 PM) *
I'm really glad that I didn't shell money for the 2.0 firmware now.


You've been using a iPod Touch with no app support?
Ramon
QUOTE (Definition @ Jun 8 2009, 11:47 PM) *
QUOTE (Ramon @ Jun 8 2009, 10:20 PM) *
I'm really glad that I didn't shell money for the 2.0 firmware now.


$10 is sheding?

I'm not a fan of paying for things that should be free, but I bought an Apple product so I guess I lack foresight.

QUOTE (Emo_Nemo @ Jun 8 2009, 11:48 PM) *
QUOTE (Ramon @ Jun 8 2009, 10:20 PM) *
I'm really glad that I didn't shell money for the 2.0 firmware now.


You've been using a iPod Touch with no app support?

Yup. I have Installer apps.
Jamster
I know this is incredibly biased, but a) I wanna spark some debate here biggrin.gif and b) I really don't like the way everyone pumps up the iPhone.
Criticism based on this tour of its features.

Web pages render faster – ok.. So what?
Improved Games – ok, so what, again.
iPhone ‘more responsive than ever’, ..than what?
A longer battery, -wow-.

3MP autofocus camera.. Yeah, I’ve got that on my phone from ’07.
Interestingly, wtf is with that camera? Is it x-ray view through his hand or something?
Touch screen focus.. Uh huh.
Video recording.. yep, that’s on my phone too.

Video editing – Cropping a video.. wow ..So advanced. That’s what we’ve got computers for.

Voice control – got that on my phone too o.o
What does look nice is that it seems automatic.. Whether that’s an already trained iPod, or if that’s how it works already, we’ll wait and see.
Voice controlled Genius … the hell?

Compass + Map orientation - $20 dollar software on Windows Phones can do that,
So lazy you can’t turn your ipod around to match the direction if you’re having that much trouble.. Should you be spending money on this when you could spend some of it learning instead?

HOLY CRAPCAKES BATMAN!
COPY AND PASTE!!!
What the hell? That was on my age old SPV phone from 06.

Shake to undo – lazy, and if you’re on a train, that’ll get very annoying.

MMS – O_________________________________________o HOW OLD IS THIS?
I was under the impression that was a standard under any phone since 07. At least.

Voice Memos … You kidding? A voice recorder.
A voice recorder. Not. A. big. Deal.

There’s a search on the mail list. O.k.
There’s a search of everything on your iPod. Again, shouldn’t this just be normal? Seriously?

OH WOW, Appstore!!! Waste money on complete random crap!
Wireless download… WOW.
And? Any phone with internet can do this.

Amazing new features? Amazing? Nope.
New? Worryingly, for an iPhone, yes.


Feel free to attack me on any point I say, I'm mostly playing devil's advocate.
But still, ruddy hell, the over hype hurts.
Fencefry
I agrre with a lot of it but:
QUOTE (Jamster @ Jun 9 2009, 05:20 PM) *
I know this is incredibly biased, but a) I wanna spark some debate here biggrin.gif and b) I really don't like the way everyone pumps up the iPhone.
Criticism based on this tour of its features.

Web pages render faster – ok.. So what?
Improved Games – ok, so what, again.
iPhone ‘more responsive than ever’, ..than what?
A longer battery, -wow-.

3MP autofocus camera.. Yeah, I’ve got that on my phone from ’07.
Interestingly, wtf is with that camera? Is it x-ray view through his hand or something?
Touch screen focus.. Uh huh.
Video recording.. yep, that’s on my phone too.

Video editing – Cropping a video.. wow ..So advanced. That’s what we’ve got computers for. Same could be said for everything a cellphone does. They just do it in your hand.

Voice control – got that on my phone too o.o
What does look nice is that it seems automatic.. Whether that’s an already trained iPod, or if that’s how it works already, we’ll wait and see.
Voice controlled Genius … the hell?

Compass + Map orientation - $20 dollar software on Windows Phones can do that,
So lazy you can’t turn your ipod around to match the direction if you’re having that much trouble.. Should you be spending money on this when you could spend some of it learning instead? People can't turn the iPhone while they're driving, so it's great for turn by turn.

HOLY CRAPCAKES BATMAN!
COPY AND PASTE!!!
What the hell? That was on my age old SPV phone from 06.

Shake to undo – lazy, and if you’re on a train, that’ll get very annoying. You can turn it off.

MMS – O_________________________________________o HOW OLD IS THIS?
I was under the impression that was a standard under any phone since 07. At least.

Voice Memos … You kidding? A voice recorder.
A voice recorder. Not. A. big. Deal.

There’s a search on the mail list. O.k.
There’s a search of everything on your iPod. Again, shouldn’t this just be normal? Seriously?

OH WOW, Appstore!!! Waste money on complete random crap! So using Shazam to figure out what a song is is just crap?
Wireless download… WOW.
And? Any phone with internet can do this. No other phones can do it off iTunes though...

Amazing new features? Amazing? Nope.
New? Worryingly, for an iPhone, yes.


Feel free to attack me on any point I say, I'm mostly playing devil's advocate.
But still, ruddy hell, the over hype hurts.

Jamster
Response in quote.
QUOTE (Fencefry @ Jun 9 2009, 09:41 PM) *
I agrre with a lot of it but:
QUOTE (Jamster @ Jun 9 2009, 05:20 PM) *
I know this is incredibly biased, but a) I wanna spark some debate here biggrin.gif and b) I really don't like the way everyone pumps up the iPhone.
Criticism based on this tour of its features.

Web pages render faster – ok.. So what?
Improved Games – ok, so what, again.
iPhone ‘more responsive than ever’, ..than what?
A longer battery, -wow-.

3MP autofocus camera.. Yeah, I’ve got that on my phone from ’07.
Interestingly, wtf is with that camera? Is it x-ray view through his hand or something?
Touch screen focus.. Uh huh.
Video recording.. yep, that’s on my phone too.

Video editing – Cropping a video.. wow ..So advanced. That’s what we’ve got computers for.
Same could be said for everything a cellphone does. They just do it in your hand.
Cellphone makes sense - communication is a natural part of human life, talking is pretty basic.
'Editing' a video, when you can only do one thing, isn't as much. It's a gimmick, admit it aware.gif


Voice control – got that on my phone too o.o
What does look nice is that it seems automatic.. Whether that’s an already trained iPod, or if that’s how it works already, we’ll wait and see.
Voice controlled Genius … the hell?

Compass + Map orientation - $20 dollar software on Windows Phones can do that,
So lazy you can’t turn your ipod around to match the direction if you’re having that much trouble.. Should you be spending money on this when you could spend some of it learning instead?
People can't turn the iPhone while they're driving, so it's great for turn by turn.

If you're in a car, it shouldn't be that hard to work out which way you're going, and visualise it, surely? But again, some software does that and it's still only $20.
HOLY CRAPCAKES BATMAN!
COPY AND PASTE!!!
What the hell? That was on my age old SPV phone from 06.

Shake to undo – lazy, and if you’re on a train, that’ll get very annoying. You can turn it off.A new feature you're not even using? ohmy.gif aware.gif tongue.gif

MMS – O_________________________________________o HOW OLD IS THIS?
I was under the impression that was a standard under any phone since 07. At least.

Voice Memos … You kidding? A voice recorder.
A voice recorder. Not. A. big. Deal.

There’s a search on the mail list. O.k.
There’s a search of everything on your iPod. Again, shouldn’t this just be normal? Seriously?

OH WOW, Appstore!!! Waste money on complete random crap!
So using Shazam to figure out what a song is is just crap?
http://www.businessinsider.com/2008/8/apple-s-iphone-app-approval-mouse-falls-off-treadmill-buy-the-1000-app-that-does-nothing-aapl- is though. It's a mixed bag, I know. But the emphasis is disgusting.

Wireless download… WOW.
And? Any phone with internet can do this.
No other phones can do it off iTunes though...

Because iTunes is Godly, of course. tongue.gif
Amazing new features? Amazing? Nope.
New? Worryingly, for an iPhone, yes.


Feel free to attack me on any point I say, I'm mostly playing devil's advocate.
But still, ruddy hell, the over hype hurts.


Rangerover18
Funny how the people who want to "spark debate" are the ones who don't even have the iPhone. I can see if you have it, and your not impressed, but really.
King Aragorn
Nokias have had copy and paste since 2006.. (Exclusive for S60)
And even you could hack it from Symbian's creation. (The EPSON time)

And, all Nokia S60 have video editting, also old.

And with a Nokia you can access the internet and download from Ovi Store or any webpage. (It has javascript and most features without Silverlight and Java.)

And Fencefry, little question:
Why in the world would a phone that is not from Apple need itunes?
In Nokia you have Ovi, a full and more-featured service then itunes.
You can save your calendar, contacts, music, and more, even syncronize with Nokia Home Media Server! (Its addon to Ovi Suite)
This site has always been reachable for phones, but, you have to have a Nokia to geto n this page, other phones get errors because the site only allows Nokia phones.
Which means its a branded site, i know, but this is the same that other sites do: making versions only for iphone.

But Apple were really stupid not to make MMS before, thats a feature i even had on my phone from 2005! xd.gif
_Ej
There's too many better phones out there for less, it's taken them 3 attempts to get a a half decent camera, and sms support...
It's too much of a fashion icon.
Fencefry
Btw, I don't love the iPhone, Android will end up being much cooler tongue.gif
QUOTE (King Aragorn @ Jun 10 2009, 04:37 PM) *
Nokias have had copy and paste since 2006.. (Exclusive for S60)
And even you could hack it from Symbian's creation. (The EPSON time)

And, all Nokia S60 have video editting, also old.

And with a Nokia you can access the internet and download from Ovi Store or any webpage. (It has javascript and most features without Silverlight and Java.)

And Fencefry, little question:
Why in the world would a phone that is not from Apple need itunes?
Well the majority of people with digital music collections have iTunes (Broad statement, I know), so it's helpful having but a media organizer and store linked to your phone.
In Nokia you have Ovi, a full and more-featured service then itunes.
Googled it, and you have to admit iTunes has more content. It is the king.
You can save your calendar, contacts, music, and more, even syncronize with Nokia Home Media Server! (Its addon to Ovi Suite)
Idk about this, but my mother has everything seamlessly synced through iTunes.
This site has always been reachable for phones, but, you have to have a Nokia to geto n this page, other phones get errors because the site only allows Nokia phones.
Which means its a branded site, i know, but this is the same that other sites do: making versions only for iphone.
Uhh... What?
But Apple were really stupid not to make MMS before, thats a feature i even had on my phone from 2005! xd.gif They sure were tongue.gif
opac
Nicely said Fence tongue.gif

Anyways whats the point of having 100 apps on your iPhone? It might be faster, it might be sleeker but it's still a phone that you use to talk and text. I just use an LG Shine no need for more...

And yes it is a fashion trend
King Aragorn
Unbeatable app:
Writing in the air for Nokias! Yahoo! tongue.gif (Need for accelerometer)
But still a prototype, and recognizes letters and numbers. (Sadly not nordic letters..)
If it gets into app for iphone it would now be copycat evil.gif
Seriously, you just write with the phone like a PEN! (Link here if you odnt believe me..

I mean by Nokia Home Media server, you can syncronize through the internet, just turn on PC to access it.
Ovi is getting equal, Ovi Store and Nokia Music.
Its started short time ago, but itunes is old, and still its not all filled up.
Definition
Buy an iPhone 3G with 3.0

Not worth $200
Fencefry
QUOTE (King Aragorn @ Jun 11 2009, 09:30 AM) *
Unbeatable app:
Writing in the air for Nokias! Yahoo! tongue.gif (Need for accelerometer)
But still a prototype, and recognizes letters and numbers. (Sadly not nordic letters..)
If it gets into app for iphone it would now be copycat evil.gif
Seriously, you just write with the phone like a PEN! (Link here if you odnt believe me..

I mean by Nokia Home Media server, you can syncronize through the internet, just turn on PC to access it.
Ovi is getting equal, Ovi Store and Nokia Music.
Its started short time ago, but itunes is old, and still its not all filled up.

Not to burst your bubble or anything (Ovi might work for you), but there are hundreds of those proprietary online services, and they usually never amount to anything slanty.gif
Magical
QUOTE (Jamster @ Jun 9 2009, 11:13 PM) *
Response in quote.
Web pages render faster – ok.. So what?
So it's better for webbrowsing, have you not seen the internet on an iPhone, compared to a normal mobile phone?
Improved Games – ok, so what, again.
It's a good advancement, if people didn't care we'd still be on the Dreamcast.
iPhone ‘more responsive than ever’, ..than what?
Ever
A longer battery, -wow-.
It had quite a short battery beforehand, so you can't complain about an improvement

3MP autofocus camera.. Yeah, I’ve got that on my phone from ’07.
Can you see it on a 3"+ screen?

Video editing – Cropping a video.. wow ..So advanced. That’s what we’ve got computers for.
Smart Phones - Portable Computer
Same could be said for everything a cellphone does. They just do it in your hand.
Cellphone makes sense - communication is a natural part of human life, talking is pretty basic.
'Editing' a video, when you can only do one thing, isn't as much. It's a gimmick, admit it aware.gif

So I can crop my video on the way home, rather than spending an extra ten minutes doing it at home...

Voice control – got that on my phone too o.o
I have to say, I've never seen such an accurate voice recognition system on any free product that beats the Google App.
Voice controlled Genius … the hell?
So you can speak to change songs...

Compass + Map orientation - $20 dollar software on Windows Phones can do that,
So lazy you can’t turn your ipod around to match the direction if you’re having that much trouble.. Should you be spending money on this when you could spend some of it learning instead?
People can't turn the iPhone while they're driving, so it's great for turn by turn.

Of course you can turn your iPhone round whilst driving.

If you're in a car, it shouldn't be that hard to work out which way you're going, and visualise it, surely? But again, some software does that and it's still only $20.
HOLY CRAPCAKES BATMAN!
COPY AND PASTE!!!
What the hell? That was on my age old SPV phone from 06.
You have a fast rendering google maps with satellite, road and hybrid maps from an 06 phone?

Shake to undo – lazy, and if you’re on a train, that’ll get very annoying. You can turn it off.A new feature you're not even using? ohmy.gif aware.gif tongue.gif
It won't do it on a train. Like you can't accidentally shuffle songs on the Nano.

MMS – O_________________________________________o HOW OLD IS THIS?
I was under the impression that was a standard under any phone since 07. At least.
So, it's an update: and probably better picture quality than any other phone from 07. Can you get a message from a friend, upload it to Twitter and post the location on a phone from 07?

Voice Memos … You kidding? A voice recorder.
A voice recorder. Not. A. big. Deal.
A voice recorder - very useful...

There’s a search on the mail list. O.k.
There’s a search of everything on your iPod. Again, shouldn’t this just be normal? Seriously?
You're just criticizing every new feature, you can search your mail = useful.

OH WOW, Appstore!!! Waste money on complete random crap!
So using Shazam to figure out what a song is is just crap?
http://www.businessinsider.com/2008/8/apple-s-iphone-app-approval-mouse-falls-off-treadmill-buy-the-1000-app-that-does-nothing-aapl- is though. It's a mixed bag, I know. But the emphasis is disgusting.
The App Store is brilliant.

Wireless download… WOW.
And? Any phone with internet can do this.
No other phones can do it off iTunes though...

Because iTunes is Godly, of course. tongue.gif
Amazing new features? Amazing? Nope.
New? Worryingly, for an iPhone, yes.
Obviously all phones can browse a collection of millions of songs, download full length movies and audio books in minutes?

Mudkip Hugger
I have to agree with everything Jamster said. I am really glad I chose the G1 over the iPhone. Especially since new iPhones seem to be coming out every couple of months, and I really hate with Apple how you have to pay full price to update/get something new.
Emo_Nemo
The thing Apple forgets is that the Phone industry gets bored easily they don't want a phone that looks exactly the same for 10 years they want one that looks different.
Caboose
QUOTE (Emo_Nemo @ Jun 11 2009, 09:06 PM) *
The thing Apple forgets is that the Phone industry gets bored easily they don't want a phone that looks exactly the same for 10 years they want one that looks different.


The phone industry or the apple industry? I don't know anybody who's bought it for it's phone capabilities, but more for the other features it sports. People who want a decent phone look elsewhere, like, oh i don't know... G1, Blackberry, Samsung Tocco... the list goes on. It's not a phone, it's a gadget. You always have to have the newest one otherwise it defies it's purpose.
King Aragorn
Magical, one question, does it support to plug 3,5MM-to-Composite-plug into TV?
Thats what new Nokias do, just load a movie, and get a projector, and *switch* *tap* *tap*
You have a cinema! Also you can play games, or show a video you have recorded, or use the composite to plug into a stereo for boosting sound. And still the refresh rate is high. (No visual effects sent into TV, its a S60 feature)
And do you have free racing game where you can race against up to 4 players through bluetooth?
Can you do those things on iphone? eyebrows.gif
Or have Word, Excel and Powerpoint with most Office funtions? (Formulars, text size+font changing, and more)

Realize: Some phones have much more funtionality, but still you have a normal phone that is easy to use.
All to do is download applications to make it advanced. (Like Python, RGA, C++ computer binaries(for running DOS, PIPS)
I can change out the XpressMusic menu on my 5800 into a big application list where i can add and name apps.
In addition, i changed my homescreen into another style. blah.gif

All i need to do is find a free program for it on the internet, because all S60 is either Python, C++ or Java.
All these are popular for programming, which makes a wide community of programmers that do it for free. happy.gif
Cattius
Personally I like the iPhone, but I don't think Apple have made enough changes this time to make it worth the upgrade for current iPhone users.

And King Aragorn, you can get office apps for the iPhone. As far as I'm aware there's no official Microsoft one, but there's plenty of apps that will give you basic word processing/spreadsheet/database/presentation functions. And the iPhone has built in viewing support if you get sent an email with a document. Most common formats are supported.

Also, you can plug an iPhone into a TV. You need to buy a special cable though.
Magical
QUOTE (King Aragorn @ Jun 12 2009, 04:58 PM) *
Magical, one question, does it support to plug 3,5MM-to-Composite-plug into TV?
Thats what new Nokias do, just load a movie, and get a projector, and *switch* *tap* *tap*

If by 3.5MM-to-Composite-plug you mean the red, yellow and white wires you plug into a TV then yes, you get a connector, plug it into the back and link it up to any TV, projector etc.
QUOTE
You have a cinema! Also you can play games, or show a video you have recorded, or use the composite to plug into a stereo for boosting sound. And still the refresh rate is high. (No visual effects sent into TV, its a S60 feature)

The quality of video is exceptionally high when you are watching on an external device, so yes, you can have a cinema, and yet you plug it into the speakers and you get sound ohmy.gif

QUOTE
And do you have free racing game where you can race against up to 4 players through bluetooth?

Perhaps not, but do you have a game where you can race players in a different country to you?

QUOTE
Can you do those things on iphone? eyebrows.gif

Yarp

QUOTE
Or have Word, Excel and Powerpoint with most Office funtions? (Formulars, text size+font changing, and more)

There are Apps for it, this is a phone remember, not a laptop.

QUOTE
Realize: Some phones have much more funtionality, but still you have a normal phone that is easy to use.
All to do is download applications to make it advanced. (Like Python, RGA, C++ computer binaries(for running DOS, PIPS)
I can change out the XpressMusic menu on my 5800 into a big application list where i can add and name apps.
In addition, i changed my homescreen into another style. blah.gif

You can do those on an iPhone?

QUOTE
All i need to do is find a free program for it on the internet, because all S60 is either Python, C++ or Java.
All these are popular for programming, which makes a wide community of programmers that do it for free. happy.gif

Apple programming is free pfft.gif You can even test it in the virtual iPhone on your Mac.

King Aragorn
All programming for S60 is free, and always been, but its a bigger range of how to develop. (Widget, Flash, Java, Python, C++, Origo and some more)
And much wider, because you can run Palm if you get StyleTap. (That way i have a SNES emulator, NES and more ones, including GBA eyebrows.gif )

There is something iphone is good at, its the looks which many go for.
And then they wont get to know about what other phones are good at.
Like Nokia, they will soon release source-code for S60, which can make some applications possible because then you can estimate the programming better when knowing where the data should be referred.

But a single last question:
Can you run Quake 3 on it? eyebrows.gif
And play against someone at PC and also control the player by accelerometer? (Wifi)
Fencefry
QUOTE (King Aragorn @ Jun 13 2009, 06:21 AM) *
All programming for S60 is free, and always been, but its a bigger range of how to develop. (Widget, Flash, Java, Python, C++, Origo and some more)
And much wider, because you can run Palm if you get StyleTap. (That way i have a SNES emulator, NES and more ones, including GBA eyebrows.gif )
You can do that stuff with a jailbroken iPhone. My friend has more emulators than you can count.
There is something iphone is good at, its the looks which many go for.
And then they wont get to know about what other phones are good at.
Like Nokia, they will soon release source-code for S60, which can make some applications possible because then you can estimate the programming better when knowing where the data should be referred.
Uhh, okay? You're comparing the phones current for to it future form, not to the iPhone.
But a single last question:
Can you run Quake 3 on it? eyebrows.gif
And play against someone at PC and also control the player by accelerometer? (Wifi)
Look Here and Here.
Veni vidi vici
I honestly think this is good, because it is like getting the original iPhone at its original price, except upgraded.
I think the voice control is pretty cool, and the video is pretty cool. They are just integrating what most normal cell phones have into the iPhones that they didn't in the first place.
~Vincent
Nrox
When did this topic get hijacked into one bragging "OMG S60 pwns iPhone, methinks" and then "OH WA1T LAWL iPhone culd do dat 2"? You're comparing apples to oranges here (no pun intended).

As for the 3G S, it sounds pretty tempting. The monthly plan just costs way too much pfft.gif
Emo_Nemo
QUOTE (nrox653 @ Jun 13 2009, 01:44 PM) *
When did this topic get hijacked into one bragging "OMG S60 pwns iPhone, methinks" and then "OH WA1T LAWL iPhone culd do dat 2"? You're comparing apples to oranges here (no pun intended).

As for the 3G S, it sounds pretty tempting. The monthly plan just costs way too much pfft.gif


Faster processor more ram and a compass...

Pretty useless for the time being considering the phone can't even multitask.
Bcloutier
QUOTE (Emo_Nemo @ Jun 13 2009, 11:52 AM) *
QUOTE (nrox653 @ Jun 13 2009, 01:44 PM) *
When did this topic get hijacked into one bragging "OMG S60 pwns iPhone, methinks" and then "OH WA1T LAWL iPhone culd do dat 2"? You're comparing apples to oranges here (no pun intended).

As for the 3G S, it sounds pretty tempting. The monthly plan just costs way too much pfft.gif


Faster processor more ram and a compass...

Pretty useless for the time being considering the phone can't even multitask.

But how much multitasking do you really need? I've got a BlackBerry that does and I don't find that I use it a ton. Sure, switching between applications is common, but Apple could do that with a double-tap of the Home Button to bring up an application switcher. I find with my BlackBerry that I don't often run many applications and if I am it's easy to switch between, even if there isn't multitasking.

The iPhone 3G S looks good, but I'm stuck on a CDMA network so I can't get one. I'll be updating my Touch G1 to 3.0 though for sure, and most likely buying the Touch G3 when it comes out in October. Hopefully it has some of the new features the iPhone 3G S has.

~Bcloutier~

~ And yeah, when did this become an S60 vs iPhone debate? They're two totally different things. Stop bringing up Nokia in every post you make. We know you like them, now stop parading it. You don't hear anyone else "bragging" about what they have.
Jamster
QUOTE (Magical @ Jun 11 2009, 04:13 PM) *
You're just criticizing every new feature, you can search your mail = useful.

Only because it's new.
I coulda sworn it was a standard to have a search on a phone if it could do the zillions of other things, too.
Can you seriously not search with the old iPod firmware? That's depressing.
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