Neo Avatars
Jun 11 2009, 12:52 PM
It’s been a while since we updated you on what we are doing to prevent cheating in RuneScape, and particularly to catch and ban macroers, so here’s what’s currently going on:
You’ve probably already noticed while playing the game that there has been a lot less macroing going on over the last year, as we’ve been getting more effective at preventing it. Gone are the days where every tree has an accompanying crowd of bots. However, we’re not resting on our laurels, and in fact we have just strengthened our macro-detection systems yet again. We are about to ban several thousand more accounts for macroing. We have reviewed all the macro programs available, and there are none we cannot detect.
These days we are taking a zero-tolerance approach to macroing. Players caught for macroing don’t receive a warning, or a chance to appeal, or even a last-chance appeal - they are just permanently banned. Don’t make the mistake of believing that we’ll be soft, and that you can get away with it until you are warned. You can’t. Don’t risk your account. By the time you realize you’ve been caught it will be far too late.
Also, high-level and members’ accounts are NOT immune, or given an extra chance. One of the reasons for our RWT changes was precisely so players couldn’t effectively macro on low–level, throwaway accounts to gain wealth. This means they were tempted to macro on their high–level, main accounts instead, which plays straight into our hands as our existing anti-macro systems catch and ban them! This has proven very effective; so far this month we have already banned over 500 high-level accounts with skills in the 80s and 90s. Don’t make your account one of them.
This is a warning to players that would have otherwise been sucked in by the misinformation spread by cheating communities; don’t do it, or you will lose your hard-earned account.
For further information, please refer to the honour section of the Rules of RuneScape.
Kimballtiger
Jun 11 2009, 12:56 PM
Whoo! about damn time!
Apollo-Bringer of Wisdom
Jun 11 2009, 12:58 PM
yay! macro haxers have been owned! they can detect them! i expect some items to raise in price...like yews over time
this is great, the game is nearing fairness..
Flatypus
Jun 11 2009, 01:00 PM
Oh yeh!
Finally, no more autoers and no more auto-typing either. But 2lum is sooo dying.
And one of my friends will get banned...
...oh
Agent F
Jun 11 2009, 01:00 PM
I love when they ban a massive amount of accounts at once. People are foolish to believe they can get away with it. I'm wondering if they are banning any of the no-retaliation bug abusers caused by the last update. I'd assume so, but I'd also think they would have made an announcement about it like they did last time.
Zamma
Jun 11 2009, 01:01 PM
500 accounts banned with 80 and 90 skills. That's astounding.
Darth KJ
Jun 11 2009, 01:05 PM
Why would people waste their accounts doing this (especially the higher levels)?
They all know they'll just get caught.
~Darth
Poke
Jun 11 2009, 01:07 PM
It's too late to stop Skynet.
error404
Jun 11 2009, 01:16 PM
I once got banned for marcroing even when I didn't, I couldn't appeal so I had to create a new account.
So unfair that I got banned for something I didn't do.
texgnome1
Jun 11 2009, 01:19 PM
This is such a good thing in my opinion. So tired of having to fight people who are obviously using macros for magic trees or fishing spots.
iSummon
Jun 11 2009, 01:33 PM
QUOTE (Poke @ Jun 11 2009, 11:07 AM)
It's too late to stop Skynet.
QUOTE (error404 @ Jun 11 2009, 11:16 AM)
I once got banned for marcroing even when I didn't, I couldn't appeal so I had to create a new account.
So unfair that I got banned for something I didn't do.
QUOTE (texgnome1 @ Jun 11 2009, 11:19 AM)
This is such a good thing in my opinion. So tired of having to fight people who are obviously using macros for magic trees or fishing spots.
What I'm afraid of is that they will bann good accounts, who don't micro. This will be bad if they do because then you can appeal, meaning you have to start over.
Poke skynet won't waste their time with RuneScape.
I've had that to, high levels get it easy because their high level, what about low levels? Are people with low levels going to be banned unfairly? I have a level 17 account I'm working on, will it be banned because I'm afking? Or others?
Other all I'm happy, no more autoer's!
Neo Avatars
Jun 11 2009, 01:47 PM
QUOTE (iSummon @ Jun 11 2009, 07:33 PM)
What I'm afraid of is that they will bann good accounts, who don't micro.
Chances are, they will since no system is perfect and even if every case brought up by the detection system is reviewed by a human, it's likely that there will still be the occasional account which gets unfairly banned without appeal. It may only be 0.01% of those banned for macroing that this happens for, but that probably adds up to several dozen people a year, which is several dozen too many.
imdag2
Jun 11 2009, 01:49 PM
lol i wana see if there system is real that gd...
but its unfair ppl have been banned from random things,
my 10 yr old brother got his acc perm banned....he is 10 how can he bot and he rarely plays i think its cos he played alot during the hoilidays wen normaly he doesent....
well gl jagex i wana see alot of pure cheaters banned....but plz dont bann acc jus 4 the sake of it....this time prove they bot...
DenialOfService
Jun 11 2009, 01:58 PM
QUOTE (Neo Avatars @ Jun 11 2009, 02:47 PM)
QUOTE (iSummon @ Jun 11 2009, 07:33 PM)
What I'm afraid of is that they will bann good accounts, who don't micro.
Chances are, they will since no system is perfect and even if every case brought up by the detection system is reviewed by a human, it's likely that there will still be the occasional account which gets unfairly banned without appeal. It may only be 0.01% of those banned for macroing that this happens for, but that probably adds up to several dozen people a year, which is several dozen too many.
Jagex doesn't review appeals, it's a system and it's been proven at least 200 times.
saint_azbo
Jun 11 2009, 02:04 PM
Haha Gutted to all those macroing NOOBS!
Emo_Nemo
Jun 11 2009, 02:13 PM
QUOTE (Neo Avatars @ Jun 11 2009, 02:47 PM)
QUOTE (iSummon @ Jun 11 2009, 07:33 PM)
What I'm afraid of is that they will bann good accounts, who don't micro.
Chances are, they will since no system is perfect and even if every case brought up by the detection system is reviewed by a human, it's likely that there will still be the occasional account which gets unfairly banned without appeal. It may only be 0.01% of those banned for macroing that this happens for, but that probably adds up to several dozen people a year, which is several dozen too many.
And innocent people are put in jail as well should we just stop putting criminals in jail as well?
QUOTE
Jagex doesn't review appeals, it's a system and it's been proven at least 200 times.
Really by who?
Reply Templates =/= totally automated
Donovan
Jun 11 2009, 02:22 PM
It seems they've been at work banning accounts today, I've gone up ranks in skills such as Woodcutting and Magic without gaining any experience. It's scary and good to see how much the game has changed over these past few months, I can only imagine what it will be like in another few.
Trey
Jun 11 2009, 02:25 PM
QUOTE (Don Florty @ Jun 11 2009, 03:22 PM)
It seems they've been at work banning accounts today, I've gone up ranks in skills such as Woodcutting and Magic without gaining any experience. It's scary and good to see how much the game has changed over these past few months, I can only imagine what it will be like in another few.
I just checked, and so did I. I gained about 40 ranks in every skill.
Great update, hopefully they will really cut down on macroing even more.
Goggie
Jun 11 2009, 02:27 PM
I certainly have no qualms with anything Jagex have been changing to the game since Mod Mmg has come onto the Scene (not to say that it's all down to him...
). And it's always nice to hear that they're still striving to ban more macroers who choose to flaunt the rules, and ruin the game for those who work hard for their Skills. Good job Jagex
finisterra
Jun 11 2009, 02:30 PM
QUOTE (Agent F @ Jun 11 2009, 01:00 PM)
I love when they ban a massive amount of accounts at once. People are foolish to believe they can get away with it. I'm wondering if they are banning any of the no-retaliation bug abusers caused by the last update. I'd assume so, but I'd also think they would have made an announcement about it like they did last time.
They said they weren't banning anyone, 'cause not everybody was aware of it.
-Jimmy-
Jun 11 2009, 02:44 PM
Better tell my mate. He prob won't listen and macro anyway
Good update
Bann the bots
The Who?
Jun 11 2009, 02:50 PM
They must be very confidant in their system to make the rules this strict.
Easl
Jun 11 2009, 02:57 PM
QUOTE (The Who? @ Jun 11 2009, 03:50 PM)
They must be very confidant in their system to make the rules this strict.
Jagexs confidence in how perfect BH would be instead of the widly, there track record isn't great
However seems like a good update, I wonder if the ge will be affected
Aussie Pride
Jun 11 2009, 03:58 PM
What about auto-talking? Are people still allowed to use that? If not, that's a massive blow to clan wars...
cozmoid
Jun 11 2009, 04:01 PM
This is awesome. I used to get so upset when flax picking, spinning or wcing and watching bots. I felt robbed and thought why can they cheat. I even thought if they can y can't I? But I never did thank god! Im eternally gratefull that jagex are extinguishing cheaters and giving me value for the years of members that I have been spending my hard earned cash on! Jagex ftw and sals is always the best fan site! Thanks all
QUOTE (Aussie Pride @ Jun 12 2009, 08:58 AM)
What about auto-talking? Are people still allowed to use that? If not, that's a massive blow to clan wars...
Yeah sorry but im sure thats banned also. It is macroing and can be a nuisance. Unfortunatly thts the price we pay for a cheat free game
King Reaper
Jun 11 2009, 04:09 PM
QUOTE (Neo Avatars @ Jun 11 2009, 12:52 PM)
These days we are taking a zero-tolerance approach to macroing. Players caught for macroing don’t receive a warning, or a chance to appeal, or even a last-chance appeal - they are just permanently banned. Don’t make the mistake of believing that we’ll be soft, and that you can get away with it until you are warned. You can’t. Don’t risk your account. By the time you realize you’ve been caught it will be far too late.
kinda harsh
should atleast give the last chance
one question
does auto clicker get a macro too?
secondly i never used macro bots so its cool with me
Donovan
Jun 11 2009, 04:14 PM
QUOTE (King01 @ Jun 11 2009, 05:09 PM)
kinda harsh
should atleast give the last chance
one question
does auto clicker get a macro too?
secondly i never used macro bots so its cool with me
Chance for what? A chance to not knowingly download a program that plays the game for you? The choice is already given to you. And yes of course auto-clickers are macros.
Emo_Nemo
Jun 11 2009, 04:28 PM
These people shouldn't get a last chance.
The system picks out macroers by coordinates and patterned training activity.
Computer finds Player A is clicking on screen coordinates 123x456 and 567x898 at without missing coordinate at all or very few times remember there are millions of different coordinates.
Or the computer finds the player constantly clicking the exact same shade of pixel on a object this sends red flags.
or multiple other red flags such as the mouse having jerky movement and moving across the screen in milliseconds while retaining perfect accuracy or sprinkler like screen rotations.
And when the computer detects these things it sends the data back to the moderators who review the account based on uptime, behavior, and experience gains.
If it is found that this player is macroing which 99.9% of the time is the case then the account is banned.
Anyone telling you they were banned for no reason is probably lying because the criteria and evidence is fairly high to get banned for macroing.
And to those who think accounts aren't reviewed because they use reply templates you are wrong as well. The only reason the templates are used is because its more efficient and they don't have time to type up personal responses. Its a common practice in anything from government to tech support.
Raian the Fallen
Jun 11 2009, 04:33 PM
I'm glad Jagex has started to ban many macros. Hopefully this will cut down on the RWTers... maybe.
QUOTE (Agent F @ Jun 11 2009, 02:00 PM)
I'm wondering if they are banning any of the no-retaliation bug abusers caused by the last update.
I'd very much like that. I would celebrate it, personally.
BannedForLULZ
Jun 11 2009, 04:43 PM
Yay jagex, Even though their idiots. Who cares if a couple of kids cheat. Do something thats good like remove trade limit.
Emo_Nemo
Jun 11 2009, 04:48 PM
QUOTE (Just Joshin @ Jun 11 2009, 05:43 PM)
Yay jagex, Even though their idiots. Who cares if a couple of kids cheat. Do something thats good like remove trade limit.
Prepare yourself...
I suggest you get educated quick cause your opening yourself to alot of flamings in the future.
Trade limit is there for a reason to stop RWT which was destroying both the in game economy and Jagex's pocketbook.
BannedForLULZ
Jun 11 2009, 04:50 PM
It's a game, If a couple of people do some trades that are considered "RWT" Even if it isnt rwt the scape police come cracking down.
DenialOfService
Jun 11 2009, 04:53 PM
QUOTE (Emo_Nemo @ Jun 11 2009, 05:28 PM)
These people shouldn't get a last chance.
The system picks out macroers by coordinates and patterned training activity.
Computer finds Player A is clicking on screen coordinates 123x456 and 567x898 at without missing coordinate at all or very few times remember there are millions of different coordinates.
Or the computer finds the player constantly clicking the exact same shade of pixel on a object this sends red flags.
or multiple other red flags such as the mouse having jerky movement and moving across the screen in milliseconds while retaining perfect accuracy or sprinkler like screen rotations.
And when the computer detects these things it sends the data back to the moderators who review the account based on uptime, behavior, and experience gains.
If it is found that this player is macroing which 99.9% of the time is the case then the account is banned.
Anyone telling you they were banned for no reason is probably lying because the criteria and evidence is fairly high to get banned for macroing.
And to those who think accounts aren't reviewed because they use reply templates you are wrong as well. The only reason the templates are used is because its more efficient and they don't have time to type up personal responses. Its a common practice in anything from government to tech support.
Most bots don't click on the same on screen coordinates,
90 percent of scripts are undetectable by Jagex.
I know this because one of my good friends has botted up to a maxed pure, 1600 total and hasn't been banned. I tell him to stop, but he doesn't.
Lucipher6 was banned today( #3) best player.
Agent F
Jun 11 2009, 05:08 PM
QUOTE (finisterra @ Jun 11 2009, 03:30 PM)
They said they weren't banning anyone, 'cause not everybody was aware of it.
How can people not be aware they are abusing a bug? "Whoa, this King Black Dragon isn't attacking me back. My anti-dragon breath shield is really awesome!!" Yea, right...
Ruin
Jun 11 2009, 05:09 PM
QUOTE (Just Joshin @ Jun 11 2009, 04:43 PM)
Yay jagex, Even though their idiots. Who cares if a couple of kids cheat. Do something thats good like remove trade limit.
congratulations on becoming one of the "morons" of this topic if rwt continued banks would would no longer accept payment for membership jagex would have gone bankrupt and runescape would be shut down. so yes the trade limit and this are necessary
think before you speak.
Hailey
Jun 11 2009, 05:17 PM
QUOTE (Emo_Nemo @ Jun 12 2009, 09:28 AM)
These people shouldn't get a last chance.
The system picks out macroers by coordinates and patterned training activity.
Computer finds Player A is clicking on screen coordinates 123x456 and 567x898 at without missing coordinate at all or very few times remember there are millions of different coordinates.
Or the computer finds the player constantly clicking the exact same shade of pixel on a object this sends red flags.
or multiple other red flags such as the mouse having jerky movement and moving across the screen in milliseconds while retaining perfect accuracy or sprinkler like screen rotations.
And when the computer detects these things it sends the data back to the moderators who review the account based on uptime, behavior, and experience gains.
If it is found that this player is macroing which 99.9% of the time is the case then the account is banned.
Anyone telling you they were banned for no reason is probably lying because the criteria and evidence is fairly high to get banned for macroing.
And to those who think accounts aren't reviewed because they use reply templates you are wrong as well. The only reason the templates are used is because its more efficient and they don't have time to type up personal responses. Its a common practice in anything from government to tech support.
Modern, updated bots do not work like that. Most of the newer ones are developed in Java and are untraceable because they are extremely human like (eg. camera movements, never the same pattern or coordinates, can solve randoms, can even reply to chat). I highly doubt they can trace EVERY script available out there. We'll see.
Lol @ Lucipher getting banned.
Sea Rayn
Jun 11 2009, 05:49 PM
It IS "only" a game. I should feel sorry for some of these kids. I know "they get what they deserve" and all that, but some may have been easily impressionable and roped in by some of the less reputable "fan sites" (dare I use that term and lump them in to the same general catagory as reputable sites like Sal's).
On the other hand, some of these people are plain and simply, cheaters. We all know them. The person who can't play any game without doing anything necessary to make sure they come out on top. Jagex and RuneScape doesn't need players like that in the ranks.
Others are in it purely and simply for the RW cash they can make off of a pixelated game. This is another set of players not needed in the ranks!
So, to sum up my rambling, I feel a tad bit sorry for those who fall in the first group, and not one iota of pity for those who fall into the last two groups.
-Rayn.
chaos9999
Jun 11 2009, 06:59 PM
What?! No fair! This is just like when they stopped me from che.... I mean, uh, deleted the wilderness. Yeah. HOW DARE THEY?! They are infringing upon my right to macro.
Just kidding, of course.
DenialOfService
Jun 11 2009, 08:13 PM
QUOTE (Hailey @ Jun 11 2009, 06:17 PM)
QUOTE (Emo_Nemo @ Jun 12 2009, 09:28 AM)
These people shouldn't get a last chance.
The system picks out macroers by coordinates and patterned training activity.
Computer finds Player A is clicking on screen coordinates 123x456 and 567x898 at without missing coordinate at all or very few times remember there are millions of different coordinates.
Or the computer finds the player constantly clicking the exact same shade of pixel on a object this sends red flags.
or multiple other red flags such as the mouse having jerky movement and moving across the screen in milliseconds while retaining perfect accuracy or sprinkler like screen rotations.
And when the computer detects these things it sends the data back to the moderators who review the account based on uptime, behavior, and experience gains.
If it is found that this player is macroing which 99.9% of the time is the case then the account is banned.
Anyone telling you they were banned for no reason is probably lying because the criteria and evidence is fairly high to get banned for macroing.
And to those who think accounts aren't reviewed because they use reply templates you are wrong as well. The only reason the templates are used is because its more efficient and they don't have time to type up personal responses. Its a common practice in anything from government to tech support.
Modern, updated bots do not work like that. Most of the newer ones are developed in Java and are untraceable because they are extremely human like (eg. camera movements, never the same pattern or coordinates, can solve randoms, can even reply to chat). I highly doubt they can trace EVERY script available out there. We'll see.
Lol @ Lucipher getting banned.
Actually what's funny is that the reply to chat, go to yew trees in f2p and say "Hi Bots'" and they are all gonna answer back Hello. at the same time. It's a script developped by some guy over in a botting community. xD
King Reaper
Jun 11 2009, 08:35 PM
QUOTE (Don Florty @ Jun 11 2009, 05:14 PM)
QUOTE (King01 @ Jun 11 2009, 05:09 PM)
kinda harsh
should atleast give the last chance
one question
does auto clicker get a macro too?
secondly i never used macro bots so its cool with me
Chance for what? A chance to not knowingly download a program that plays the game for you? The choice is already given to you. And yes of course auto-clickers are macros.
man r u kidding me
now i have to sit there and actaully keep clicking the stupid alch button
iDragon
Jun 11 2009, 09:43 PM
QUOTE
man r u kidding me
now i have to sit there and actually keep clicking the stupid alch button
Please tell me your joking...If you don't work for the Exp/Gp it really isn't satisfying in my view..
Anyway on to the update..I'm glad Jagex is taking steps to making RS a more fun and fair game for all. It really needed to be done. So many times I've either been training at a fishing or woodcutting spot and had macroers show up and ruin it.
And no, this isn't complaining this is me expressing gratitude to Jagex for something that needed to be done a
LONG time ago.
But please Jagex look closely before you ban.
Redicaluss
Jun 11 2009, 09:51 PM
I'm seriously worried about being falsely accused... It happened to me once and fortunately there wasn't evidence to prove it... Do you think they will watch me more than others because of that? I've been training Hunter really hard lately and have gotten at least two levels a day. I don't want to have wasted my time for nothing. I mean there is a value on justice and what procedures are used to achieve it, but when does it just get "naziish", for lack of better word?
Banora
Jun 11 2009, 10:14 PM
I think this is a little overdue. But then again, they'll never stop updating for this sort of stuff.
Hailey
Jun 11 2009, 10:16 PM
QUOTE (Le Breaker @ Jun 12 2009, 01:13 PM)
QUOTE (Hailey @ Jun 11 2009, 06:17 PM)
QUOTE (Emo_Nemo @ Jun 12 2009, 09:28 AM)
These people shouldn't get a last chance.
The system picks out macroers by coordinates and patterned training activity.
Computer finds Player A is clicking on screen coordinates 123x456 and 567x898 at without missing coordinate at all or very few times remember there are millions of different coordinates.
Or the computer finds the player constantly clicking the exact same shade of pixel on a object this sends red flags.
or multiple other red flags such as the mouse having jerky movement and moving across the screen in milliseconds while retaining perfect accuracy or sprinkler like screen rotations.
And when the computer detects these things it sends the data back to the moderators who review the account based on uptime, behavior, and experience gains.
If it is found that this player is macroing which 99.9% of the time is the case then the account is banned.
Anyone telling you they were banned for no reason is probably lying because the criteria and evidence is fairly high to get banned for macroing.
And to those who think accounts aren't reviewed because they use reply templates you are wrong as well. The only reason the templates are used is because its more efficient and they don't have time to type up personal responses. Its a common practice in anything from government to tech support.
Modern, updated bots do not work like that. Most of the newer ones are developed in Java and are untraceable because they are extremely human like (eg. camera movements, never the same pattern or coordinates, can solve randoms, can even reply to chat). I highly doubt they can trace EVERY script available out there. We'll see.
Lol @ Lucipher getting banned.
Actually what's funny is that the reply to chat, go to yew trees in f2p and say "Hi Bots'" and they are all gonna answer back Hello. at the same time. It's a script developped by some guy over in a botting community. xD
Those are the fail chat scripts tho. There are scripts which can actually have a conversation with you, similar to the 'Talk to Jesus' etc ones that are on different websites all over the internet. Also saying "Bot" will make the fail scripts reply with "Lol", "Rofl" or "Lmao", so that's an easy way to find out who is autoing.
The Dragoon
Jun 11 2009, 10:49 PM
People who macro think it harmless lol i wont get banned
WRONG,
wierd thing is people who buy runescape gold. it priced more then some thrid world country's lol makes you think
world of warcraft dont make me go there
Emo_Nemo
Jun 11 2009, 11:02 PM
QUOTE (King01 @ Jun 11 2009, 09:35 PM)
QUOTE (Don Florty @ Jun 11 2009, 05:14 PM)
QUOTE (King01 @ Jun 11 2009, 05:09 PM)
kinda harsh
should atleast give the last chance
one question
does auto clicker get a macro too?
secondly i never used macro bots so its cool with me
Chance for what? A chance to not knowingly download a program that plays the game for you? The choice is already given to you. And yes of course auto-clickers are macros.
man r u kidding me
now i have to sit there and actaully keep clicking the stupid alch button
Poor you it must be so exhausting clicking a button.
Warrior Zynk
Jun 11 2009, 11:58 PM
Well, another scoring win for JaGEx.
dakilla847
Jun 12 2009, 02:10 AM
its a great thing they've done it because it really is unfair if they don't do any work and level up quickly as opposed to you trying so hard to keep your character moving
for those of you that were banned, sorry, shouldn't of used bots in the first place
Spectre
Jun 12 2009, 02:36 AM
QUOTE (easl @ Jun 11 2009, 07:57 PM)
QUOTE (The Who? @ Jun 11 2009, 03:50 PM)
They must be very confidant in their system to make the rules this strict.
Jagexs confidence in how perfect BH would be instead of the widly, there track record isn't great
However seems like a good update, I wonder if the ge will be affected
It certainly will, p essence will rise for sure...
AS to a win for Jagex I'm not so sure really...
Also this is going to make pking really easy for a while as a lot of proper pures auto tons, thereby having better weapons/stats than the real ones who train.
Escape The Fate
Jun 12 2009, 03:27 AM
Once, two years ago, I downloaded an auto fighter because my friend told me to. I made a new acc to test it on, but I never did figure out how to make it work. I was dissapointed back then, but now I'm glad I never found out how.
Also, Is it just me or do any of you sorta get bored and stop playing once you achieve a major goal?
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