Yeah, but the bug fixes and minor upgrades are all free.

Cut Copy and Paste isn't a major upgrade.

Well neither is a new start menu, and there's quite a bit of new stuff.

Can't you see that there is something wrong with that type of culture though?

They should have done what they did to Snow Leopard.

Considering the start menu is a core feature of windows computers, I'd say it is pretty major.

No, I see nothing wrong. Apple don't keep releasing new products, so instead they simply release new upgrades.

Which is why i use Sehnheiser

Also, you're saying from going from things like Windows 3.1, with no toolbar or start menu, to Windows 95, with them, isn't a major upgrade? And that copying and pasting is worth paying for? Come on, get your priorities sorted.

Guys, if you can't afford to pay less than $10 for a new OS, with a variety of new functions from blue tooth, copy and paste, video downloads and even parental controls, you need to buy 3 less chocolate bars. Seriously, it's absolutely nothing, just like the $29 for Snow Leopard upgrade, you're not going to starve.

If you can afford to buy an iPod Touch, you can certainly afford to buy an upgrade.

Not when your mom is too lazy to have her own iTunes account and borrows all of your money on iTunes for her own songs so she can burn it to her CD's so that you don't have enough money for the update and she doesn't pay you back for several weeks.

That was a very long run on sentence just like this one is becoming.
~Vincent

Get a job.

It's not that you can't pay it. It's that they're making you pay it, it's the principle of the thing. Seriously, have you ever known anybody charge for a firmware update? Because i haven't.

They don't charge for firmware updates...

Well... they are.

The firmware updates for the iPods and Macs are free, the OSs aren't. That's how you have things like V2.2.1, but have haven't payed for the updates...

First quote: you don't want my apple? Just go somewhere else. Simple. You aren't entitled to anything you want, you spoiled brat.
Second quote: it's not a firmware upgrade, it's another operating system. We've told you more than once. If you don't want to listen, don't even bother to post. Besides that, even if they wanted to make you pay for a firmware upgrade, they could. So?

Have you ever heard of "DON'T BUY IT THEN"?

"Your" money.

No Dani, I understand that, and I won't buy them. It is just the fact that they charge so much, I find it crazy that someone would actually pay that much for this stuff. In fact, I do have a job (NOT WORKING AT MCDONALD'S!) but I'm saving up for a car ... They aren't cheap you know!
And putting money aside for college too... Most private colleges around here are more than $40k now.
~Vincent

I did go elsewhere. Iriver, but that's another story. Anyway, i laughed when you called me a spoiled brat. I'm not the one who has the money to waste on extortionate Apple products, much less the firmware updates. And i'll tell you why they are making you pay for a firmware update, money. Apple don't care about it's customers, they care about money. Most companies do. But most companies have the decency to at least pretend that they give a shizzle about you.

Microsoft:
Okay team, how can we make something that people will spend money on?

Apple:
Okay team, how can we get those gullible fools to give us their money?

Microsoft...caring about the end user?

If I didn't know you were serious, I'd laugh.

Besides that, I don't own one Apple product, except iTunes, which I paid the grand total of €0,00 to download and install. You laugh when I make preconceptions about you, I laugh when you make preconceptions about me. 1:1.

Well, ten dollars for an operating system isn't a lot.

It's not an operating system though, it's an upgrade.

And hey, MS must care a hell of a lot more than Apple, and even they barely care at all.

Of course, OS must stand for Obscene Spoons, what the hell did I think it meant Operating System

So... Vista SP2 is not called SP2 anymore, it's called Vistonia. We can now charge you for it.

It isn't a service pack. Windows 7 is not Vista SP3, even though their mechanics are similar.

An operating system is not a service pack. A service pack is not an operating system. If you buy shoes that have a defect, the seller will either replace them or repair them at no cost. If you buy shoes and after a while they're consumed, do you think that the seller will have any obligation to replace them?

Operating system != service pack.

That's exactly my point. They're charging for a 'service pack' by lying, saying that it's an operating system.

You can't lie. Apple are releasing a new piece of software, which they have said is a new OS. It's not like they're calling it a firmware update and I'm saying it's a new OS.

How are they lying? An operating system is an operating system.

But it's practically the same as the old operating system. I'm willing to bet it uses the exact same kernel, and that they've only changed a few things on the front end. That isn't a new OS, that's a Firmware Update.

You may feel its a firmware update, Apple do not. They've decided its a new operating system and hence they are charging you for it.

Or they're deceiving you so that they can milk you for all you're worth. It's wrong, nobody else does it and it's just adding to apples endless list of extortion.

Milk you for all you're worth? Were talking about $10 here and your actually getting quite a few new features. If you don't like how they charge you $10 or don't feel its worth it for the features you get, then don't pay.

I wont. I didn't pay for an overpriced iTouch in the first place. And you avoid the question. Does anybody else pay for software updates to their MP3 Player/Gaming Console? Microsoft? No. Sony? No. Nintendo? No. Blackberry? No. The rest of the economical world? No.

It's called business. Apple have decided they will charge for updates to continually make money, just like Microsoft charge you for Xbox Live a great deal more than it actually costs them.

Well Microsoft charges $40 a year to have online, but they could provide that for free, like other gaming consoles. Similar deal, Apple chooses to charge for something they think is big enough to charge for.

Heh, I pulled a Caboose

EDIT: Stobbo you read my mind

Okay... i may not agree with it but you do have a point

Still, i don't agree with paying for XBL anyway.

I know you can do it.

Nice photoshoping skills, but what's your point?

I was just mocking what you were saying.

I totally disagree with paying people for their work too. I think the real solution here is employees. If they just refused a salary, we wouldn't have to pay 10 dollars! We could spend that on a burger and fries instead.

I also believe that Steve Jobbs said that "You can't make a good computer for under $1,000." or something to that effect.
Hate to tell you Steve: Microsoft has been doing it for quite some time now
~Vincent

Money is the source of all evil. In a perfect world there wouldn't be salaries, or cuts, or depression. There would be people, working at what they like doing for the good of humanity. Call me a communist, but this is my idealism. What is yours?

My idealism is that you need to stop crying about $10 dollars. Please gtfo out of here with the perfect world crap, this isnt a perfect world it will never be a perfect world so stfu about it. Its $10 dollars that you DON'T EVEN NEED TO PAY. You don't own a fudgeing iPod Touch so don't complain. For the worlds sake. Get over it.

Sorry for standing up for my fellow Human Beings, and being slightly philosophical. I'll just retreat back into my mind then shall i?

They can afford $10.

Why should they?

Cause its ten fricken dollars.

That's why you buy SE

Ten fricken dollars that could be spent on... oh i don't know. Food?

Can't you get it pirated anyway?

Yes, but discussing such things is against forum rules. Anyway, what's SE?