Wiltingplant
Jul 8 2009, 03:06 AM
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MOUNTAIN VIEW, Calif. Google Inc. is working on a new operating system for inexpensive computers in a daring attempt to wrest away Microsoft Corp.'s long-running control over people's computing experience.
The new operating system, announced late Tuesday night on Google's Web site, will be based on the company's nine-month-old Web browser, Chrome. Google intends to rely on help from the community of open-source programmers to develop the Chrome operating system, which is expected to begin running computers in the second half of 2010.
The Mountain View, Calif.-based company disclosed its plans for the operating system shortly after an online technology news service, Ars Technica, and The New York Times telegraphed the news on their Web sites.
Google is designing the operating system primarily for "netbooks," a lower-cost, less powerful breed of laptop computers that is becoming increasingly popular among budget-conscious consumers primarily interested in surfing the Web.
The operating system represents Google's boldest challenge yet to its biggest nemesis Microsoft.
A high-stakes duel between the two technology powerhouses has been steadily escalating in recent years as Google's dominance of the Internet's lucrative search market has given it the means to threaten Microsoft in ways that few other companies can.
Google already has rankled Microsoft by luring away some of its top employees and developing an online suite of computer programs that provide an alternative to Microsoft's top-selling word processing, spreaoperating system later this week when they appear at a media conference hosted by Allen & Co. at the Sun Valley resort in Idaho.
Despite its own power and prominence, Google won't have an easy time changing the status quo that has governed the personal computing industry for so long.
As an example of how difficult it is to topple a long-established market leader, Google estimates about 30 million people are now using its Chrome browser a fraction of those that rely on Microsoft's market-leading Internet Explorer. And there have been various attempts to develop open-source software to undermine Microsoft with relatively little effect.
The Chrome operating system will run in a new windowing system on top of a Linux kernel computer coding that has been the foundation for the open-source software movement for nearly two decades.
Google has already introduced an operating system for mobile devices, called Android, that vies against various other systems, including ones made by Microsoft and Apple Inc.
The Android system worked well enough to entice some computer makers to begin developing netbooks that will eventually run on it.
Google, though, apparently believes a Chrome-based system will be better suited for running applications in netbooks.
"We believe choice will drive innovation for the benefit of everyone, including Google," wrote Pichai and Upson.
Sauce:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,530580,00.html__________________________________________
Opinions? This'll probably be the first time I try the whole multi-OS/single-computer thing, that's how much I'm looking forward to it. What about you?
redmonke
Jul 8 2009, 03:08 AM
Looks cool. Can't say I'm hyped for it or anything, but I guess I'll see how it turns out later.
Arianna
Jul 8 2009, 07:02 AM
Welcome to the Matrix, guys.
Redicaluss
Jul 8 2009, 08:06 AM
No doubt I would try it - I love Google products. But I'm not hyped for it at all.
However I might have to look into this word processor...
Bob-sama
Jul 8 2009, 09:02 AM
Chrome is the browser, Android is the OS. And Android has been "available" to PC's for a few months now... there's a consumer-PC version available, too.
Topdog
Jul 8 2009, 09:06 AM
Seems very interesting, and because I love Google products, I'm definitely going to try it out.
King Aragorn
Jul 8 2009, 09:27 AM
I will try its limits of low-ness of memory in MSVPC

Umm..
Dont think it will be that big success?
Caboose
Jul 8 2009, 10:15 AM
Interesting, i had an incling... also there's a site called 'Google Operating System' or something like that. But we'll have to see how it turns out. Maybe it would have been more popular if it wasn't just another linux clone.
Zero
Jul 8 2009, 10:36 AM
That's useless right now, since there is a lot of light weight linux distros. This would be useless. You can just boot up archlinux onto a netbook.
I'll probably give it ago, but I'll probably end up using Windows 7 when it arrives.
QUOTE (Wiltingplant @ Jul 8 2009, 08:06 AM)

Wrong type of Source
Caboose
Jul 8 2009, 11:21 AM
QUOTE (Zero @ Jul 8 2009, 04:36 PM)

That's useless right now, since there is a lot of light weight linux distros. This would be useless. You can just boot up archlinux onto a netbook.
Or DSL, or Puppy... or Feather. Or to an extent RIP. I don't think it's completely lightweight though, it will be lighter but still have all the features. But i wasn't expecting them to use the Linux kernel, good as it may be.
LP Forever
Jul 8 2009, 11:41 AM
Honestly i think this isn't exactly needed. Google's OS isn't going to have the compatibility you get with Win7 or Vista. I won't be trying it.
Cattius
Jul 8 2009, 11:47 AM
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Dont think it will be that big success?
QUOTE ( @ Jul 8 2009, 04:36 PM)

That's useless right now, since there is a lot of light weight linux distros. This would be useless. You can just boot up archlinux onto a netbook.
Why should it be useless, and why shouldn't it be a success? Lifehacker say that Google are planning the same approach to this OS as they did with Chrome. If they do take the same approach, I should think there will be a pretty big difference between this OS and other lightweight Linux distros. Obviously it isn't going to take out Windows overnight, but you don't necessarily need the biggest market share to be a success.
Right now I'm a devotee of Windows 7, but Google impressed me with Chrome, and they may do so again. I'll wait until some screenshots and more details come out before I consider it.
QUOTE (Caboose)
But i wasn't expecting them to use the Linux kernel, good as it may be.
I don't think it's all that suprising - the Linux kernel is a good one; no point in reinventing the wheel.
And Google won't be thinking about program compatibility, as this OS is all based around web apps. But tbh I think that will be the area it fails in, if it does fail. While 'cloud' computing is a nice concept, I really don't think it's going to take over desktop apps any time soon. You can't always have internet access; what do you do then if all your files and programs are in the cloud?
Fraff
Jul 8 2009, 03:24 PM
It's going to be based on the Linux kernel with a different window manager than say, GNOME or KDE.
It will be interesting seeing how it will be focused on mainly net access and using web based applications. As far as compatibility with Vista/7, that is completely irrelevant seeing as this is Linux.
It will be nice having it lightweight, so it can run on older hardware. I personally can't wait to try it.
It will provide some more competition in the netbook market, which will be nice for the consumer. Competition naturally encourages innovation. And hopefully it can expose more people to the open-source world in general.
Apparently Google won't actually be releasing the source code until later, which is a shame considering developers for other projects might be able to use it.
King Aragorn
Jul 8 2009, 04:28 PM
QUOTE (Cattius @ Jul 8 2009, 06:47 PM)

but you don't necessarily need the biggest market share to be a success.
You need that for it to be a BIG success.

If its supposed for netbooks it wont reach far, and even less if it will be aimed for net only, in MY point of view.

A succesful system needs atleast some offline capabilities.
Fraff
Jul 8 2009, 05:32 PM
QUOTE (King Aragorn @ Jul 8 2009, 05:28 PM)

QUOTE (Cattius @ Jul 8 2009, 06:47 PM)

but you don't necessarily need the biggest market share to be a success.
You need that for it to be a BIG success.

If its supposed for netbooks it wont reach far, and even less if it will be aimed for net only, in MY point of view.

A succesful system needs atleast some offline capabilities.

It doesn't necessarily need offline capatibilities to be succesful.
That is the nice about Linux, different distros fill in different niches. The particular one the Google OS will target is one of running your apps off the web.
The point of getting a netbook is for using the internet on the go anyway, and an OS focused on internet usage targeted towards netbooks is perfect.
It is a successful system for people with an online lifestyle.
redmonke
Jul 8 2009, 08:00 PM
gazisere
Jul 8 2009, 08:08 PM
In a sudden, if not unexpected, announcement this morning, Google said it would release an open-source operating system based on its Chrome browser. The OS will be free, geared (at first) toward netbooks, and focused on "speed, simplicity, and security."
Google executives told the New York Times that Google Chrome OS would be available online "later this year" as a free, open-source download, while specially tailored netbooks running the operating system are targeted for the second half of 2010. The release will not be a remixed version of the Android phone platform, but a "minimalist user interface," with more screen space and computer power given over to web applications.
Google's official blog post lays out some basic but intriguing details on Chrome OS' goals:
We're designing the OS to be fast and lightweight, to start up and get you onto the web in a few seconds. The user interface is minimal to stay out of your way, and most of the user experience takes place on the web. And as we did for the Google Chrome browser, we are going back to the basics and completely redesigning the underlying security architecture of the OS so that users don't have to deal with viruses, malware and security updates. It should just work.
More specifically, Chrome OS is planned to run on x86 and ARM-based processors, and its architecture is described as "Google Chrome running within a new windowing system on top of a Linux kernel." Developers looking to specifically target the Chrome OS need not apply, as Google says "the web is the platform"the system will, in other words, run web applications online and offline, and those applications should also work on any standards-based browser on any system (read: most anything, except Internet Explorer, sometimes).
Many who closely watch the search company have predicted a similar move for some time now. To say the Chrome OS will face stiff competition is quite an understatement, with Intel developing its own lightweight, Linux-based netbook platform, Windows XP emerging as a force in netbook OS share, and Microsoft itself likely to fight tooth and nail to keep yet another upstart from encroaching on the one area of PC sales that is still seeing significant growth.
It's easy to assume Chrome OS is a strong push to get users familiar with using Gmail, Google Calendar, Google Docs, and other web suites, both online and off. It's harder to figure out the specifics of how Google's platform will overcome the deeply entrenched Windows familiarity that has kept other Linux-based netbook upstarts mostly in check, and how it will accommodate the vast array of x86 hardware compatibility quirks that plagues Linux distributions to this day. More details and discussions to come, certainly.
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I am looking forward to this. It will be great if the no virus operating system really is as secure as they state. I want to see some pictures soon google!
redmonke
Jul 8 2009, 08:28 PM
Dell, Toshiba, and Sony not doing it.The full list: Acer, Adobe, ASUS, Freescale, Hewlett-Packard, Lenovo, Qualcomm, Texas Instruments.
Cattius
Jul 9 2009, 10:51 AM
Apparently Jagex are considering using this OS if they think it's good enough

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Games devs support Google OS
A number of leading MMO and casual games developers have also been quick to support Google's latest move into the operating systems space.
"We are very excited by the news of the Google Chrome OS," Jagex CEO Mark Gerhard told TechRadar.
"Jagex loves the Google's spirit of innovation and "just get on and do it, without the hype" mindset that we also echo. I find itrather heartening to see the underdog threaten Microsoft's current dominance of this space.
"Jagex will certainly look to support this new operating system in terms of our games and also for use in house if it meets our security requirements."
From
here@redmonke: Didn't Google say that's only a partial list though?
Caboose
Jul 9 2009, 10:56 AM
Wow, looks as though they're going all out with this. Maybe they're using the Linux kernel so that they can focus all their effort on the front end, with a trusted rear

I wonder if with this we'll finally see what the Linux kernel is actually capable.
Gee
Jul 11 2009, 04:41 AM
I'll try it if it gets popular after the release and if it's compatible for most programs.
Cattius
Jul 11 2009, 01:33 PM
QUOTE (Gee @ Jul 11 2009, 10:41 AM)

I'll try it if it gets popular after the release and if it's compatible for most programs.
It probably won't be compatible with many programs at all, seeing as it's going to use a Linux kernel and is focused around web apps. IMO all the actual programs that will end up on the OS will be a browser (almost certainly Chrome

), a settings interface like the Windows Control Panel, and maybe a couple of basic apps that a lot of people use, like a basic drawing program and an instant messenger. I may be wrong about that but that's the way I see this OS going atm.
Caboose
Jul 11 2009, 02:16 PM
There are plenty of programs that work with Linux. But i did read
somewhere that the suggests things will be written for it in web languages, or mark-up languages. That could either be a blessing or a curse, it's to early to tell. But does that mean that Google Chrome OS is meant literally? Like, an advanced browser that you boot up? It would be useful for just web browsing, but i wouldn't have it as a primary or only OS.
Cattius
Jul 12 2009, 03:39 AM
QUOTE (Caboose @ Jul 11 2009, 08:16 PM)

There are plenty of programs that work with Linux. But i did read
somewhere that the suggests things will be written for it in web languages, or mark-up languages. That could either be a blessing or a curse, it's to early to tell. But does that mean that Google Chrome OS is meant literally? Like, an advanced browser that you boot up? It would be useful for just web browsing, but i wouldn't have it as a primary or only OS.
What I meant was that most Linux programs only work on certain distributions. If Google make lots of changes to their OS, then they're almost certainly going to break all the apps that would have worked on the distro it's based on (I'm presuming they'll base it on a certain distro), and I don't think Google will lose too much sleep over making those apps work again, because they're so focused on the idea of web apps. I may be wrong though, we'll just have to see what Google does with this OS.
Caboose
Jul 12 2009, 05:49 AM
QUOTE (Cattius @ Jul 12 2009, 09:39 AM)

QUOTE (Caboose @ Jul 11 2009, 08:16 PM)

There are plenty of programs that work with Linux. But i did read
somewhere that the suggests things will be written for it in web languages, or mark-up languages. That could either be a blessing or a curse, it's to early to tell. But does that mean that Google Chrome OS is meant literally? Like, an advanced browser that you boot up? It would be useful for just web browsing, but i wouldn't have it as a primary or only OS.
What I meant was that most Linux programs only work on certain distributions. If Google make lots of changes to their OS, then they're almost certainly going to break all the apps that would have worked on the distro it's based on (
I'm presuming they'll base it on a certain distro), and I don't think Google will lose too much sleep over making those apps work again, because they're so focused on the idea of web apps. I may be wrong though, we'll just have to see what Google does with this OS.
Since they're trying to 'reinvent' the Operating System i doubt they would base it on an existing one.
Cattius
Jul 12 2009, 09:40 AM
QUOTE (Caboose @ Jul 12 2009, 11:49 AM)

QUOTE (Cattius @ Jul 12 2009, 09:39 AM)

QUOTE (Caboose @ Jul 11 2009, 08:16 PM)

There are plenty of programs that work with Linux. But i did read
somewhere that the suggests things will be written for it in web languages, or mark-up languages. That could either be a blessing or a curse, it's to early to tell. But does that mean that Google Chrome OS is meant literally? Like, an advanced browser that you boot up? It would be useful for just web browsing, but i wouldn't have it as a primary or only OS.
What I meant was that most Linux programs only work on certain distributions. If Google make lots of changes to their OS, then they're almost certainly going to break all the apps that would have worked on the distro it's based on (
I'm presuming they'll base it on a certain distro), and I don't think Google will lose too much sleep over making those apps work again, because they're so focused on the idea of web apps. I may be wrong though, we'll just have to see what Google does with this OS.
Since they're trying to 'reinvent' the Operating System i doubt they would base it on an existing one.
Whether they do or don't, my point still stands that a lot of Linux apps probably won't work on it.
Caboose
Jul 12 2009, 09:44 AM
I'd say it's to early to tell. It uses the same kernel but a different window manager, although i doubt they would release it if nothing worked on it.
Cattius
Jul 12 2009, 10:19 AM
QUOTE (Caboose @ Jul 12 2009, 03:44 PM)

I'd say it's to early to tell. It uses the same kernel but a different window manager, although i doubt they would release it if nothing worked on it.
Yeah, the problem is we haven't really been told enough about the OS yet. I'm just wondering about how integral their web apps policy is going to be - if they take it to the extremes, there might only be a browser on there as an actual program, and all other functions will be based on the internet. This would seriously limit the OS's usefulness, but from what they've said so far, it's possible they might do this.
Emo_Nemo
Jul 12 2009, 01:18 PM
I don't see this going far.
In fact I can see past the front that Google is throwing up with this.
A OS is the ultimate way to collect information which is how Google makes their money.
More information you can get about a user the more relevant the ad's you can put up and the more likely the person is to click these ad's
It's how Chrome works I don't see how this OS is going to be any different.
This thing is going to be a giant privacy clusterf***
Cattius
Jul 12 2009, 02:10 PM
QUOTE (Emo_Nemo @ Jul 12 2009, 07:18 PM)

I don't see this going far.
In fact I can see past the front that Google is throwing up with this.
A OS is the ultimate way to collect information which is how Google makes their money.
More information you can get about a user the more relevant the ad's you can put up and the more likely the person is to click these ad's
It's how Chrome works I don't see how this OS is going to be any different.
This thing is going to be a giant privacy clusterf***
The only data that Chrome sends to Google that cannot be disabled is an RLZ identifier that identifies your specific install of the browser to Google. This is sent every 24 hours, upon a Google search and when a "significant event" occurs. All other data that is sent can be turned off. I don't really see this as an invasion of my privacy.
Kaknos
Jul 12 2009, 02:23 PM
I'm not too surpised. Just another attempt against microsoft.
Go Google!
LP Forever
Jul 12 2009, 02:42 PM
QUOTE (Kaknos @ Jul 12 2009, 02:23 PM)

I'm not too surpised. Just another attempt against microsoft.
Go Google!

tbh Chrome is a very nice browser. but it's just that. a browser. an OS is just complete and total overkill.
havocdemonzkrew
Jul 12 2009, 06:13 PM
Took long enough for Google to jump on the bandwagon.
Caboose
Jul 13 2009, 10:08 AM
Bandwagon? There are only like three or four major competitors in the OS industry.
And on the ads, good. Wouldn't you rather have ads that relate to you than pointless adds in which everybody is wasting money and time?
King Aragorn
Jul 13 2009, 10:11 AM
But its actually not at all its own OS, its a Linux distro, so maybe it should be said as the Distro called Chrome?
I mean, what big deal is that you make your own window manager and maybe tweak the system, then Microsoft who makes its own kernel.
Google made the system pretty easy, but Android is also Linux.
Still, i would never say this a revolution as the newspaper around here said at the release...
But, a thing is how the system would be resulting.
If it looks very much like the basic Linux it would not be much interest at all from me in this.
havocdemonzkrew
Jul 13 2009, 11:12 AM
QUOTE (Caboose @ Jul 13 2009, 11:08 AM)

Bandwagon? There are only like three or four major competitors in the OS industry.
And on the ads, good. Wouldn't you rather have ads that relate to you than pointless adds in which everybody is wasting money and time?
By that I meant, Google basically created everything a user would want on the web. Matter of time till they created an OS.
Emo_Nemo
Jul 13 2009, 12:15 PM
QUOTE (Caboose @ Jul 13 2009, 11:08 AM)

Bandwagon? There are only like three or four major competitors in the OS industry.
And on the ads, good. Wouldn't you rather have ads that relate to you than pointless adds in which everybody is wasting money and time?
Well preferably no ad's at all but I could see where ad's could seem invasive.
The classic ED issue.
Person sending an email for example about an ED problem and a AD chiming in for Viagra. See where i'm going here.
wildman
Jul 13 2009, 01:04 PM
I might use an emulator to see what it might be like, but I won't change OS. I'l just allocate 20GB of memory to emulate.
Caboose
Jul 13 2009, 01:56 PM
QUOTE (King Aragorn @ Jul 13 2009, 04:11 PM)

But its actually not at all its own OS, its a Linux distro, so maybe it should be said as the Distro called Chrome?
I mean, what big deal is that you make your own window manager and maybe tweak the system, then
Microsoft who makes its own kernel.
Google made the system pretty easy, but Android is also Linux.
Still, i would never say this a revolution as the newspaper around here said at the release...
But, a thing is how the system would be resulting.
If it looks very much like the basic Linux it would not be much interest at all from me in this.

That made me laugh. Microsoft bought out the company who previously owned the NT Kernel. And if they were going to make it look like 'basic linux' then why go through all the trouble of making a new Window Manager that's exactly the same as an existing one?
QUOTE (wildman @ Jul 13 2009, 07:04 PM)

I might use an emulator to see what it might be like, but I won't change OS. I'l just allocate 20GB of memory to emulate.
Why not just partition 20GB for it? It would run a hell of a lot faster, and you can still delete it later.
wildman
Jul 15 2009, 02:00 AM
Thats what I meant to say.
Alyce
Jul 16 2009, 09:49 PM
Google Linux distro ftw? Goonix anybody? I'm just gonna stick with my fancy Xubuntu, and Fedora dual boot.
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