I'm not even kidding. This is so fudgeing stupid but I couldn't resist laughing.

Click me.

My favorite part is this:



Discuss the most dishonest ad campaign so far this year.

http://runescape.salmoneus.net/forums/inde...howtopic=286134

Cattius found it about 25 days before you. ;D

(I also loved to play devil's advocate in that thread)

Grrrrrrr Dani you irritated me much

And I didn't find it. Lifehacker found it for me

Sooo they're saying that ie8 has 500+ addons packed in? My butt!

I still don't care, Firefox is ftw.

I can't honestly believe they're claiming they have support for web standards.

I hope with all my heart that when people in the EU get their copy of Win7E, they download Firefox instead of IE.

How? We're either going to have to go out and buy a disk, which is pointless, or use another computer to burn a disk, which is pointless, or put it on a flash drive, which is a waste of my time. I doubt i'll be getting it though. Since i only plan on using Windows for gaming, and Vista is pretty much on par with Win7 and will be far cheaper... i don't know, i'll get to that when the problem arises.

Vista is nowhere near on a par with Windows 7. But if you only use Windows for gaming then I agree, Vista is enough.

Also this lack of IE is not going to affect most people, because most people aren't going to go out and buy a 7 upgrade, as most people know very little about computers. The first time they will probably see 7 is when they buy a new computer. Almost all manufacturers are going to pre-install IE8 onto new systems, so most people will still be able to use IE.

IE 8 is standards compliant.

It doesn't support the standards that are still experimental but it supports all current in use standards.

IE-8 no longer requires proprietary coding.

It's still majorly behind other browsers when you compare standards-support test results, for example results from the Acid3 test.

Their reasoning for not supporting hybrid standards was fear of them changing.

Although I wish they would of went ahead and did it anyways I see where they are coming from.

In terms of gaming software and compatability it is, but i know what you're talking about. DX, that sort of thing. There's always XP...

Checked out the speed tests?
IE was first on 12/25 pages, competing against Chrome and FireFox.
And won that competition.
Its totally to believe it, you can even see which one of them loads first. (Its slowed down)
But, each browser has its specialties in loading sites..
So, it makes it impossible to say which one is faster, because it all depends on how Sun and Adobe develop their Flash and Java because more and more sites use it.
And its about how quick the browser handles Javascript.

Are you talking about that youtube speeds video that there was a topic on a few months back? Because that was made by a Microsoft employee so I don't trust it in the slightest

And as for how quick the browser handles Javascript, FF and Chrome regularly beat IE in the SunSpider tests, both in my own testing and in independent tests conducted by magazines, tech websites e.t.c.

It's just harmless propaganda. Just like everything on Apple's website.

But as I said in the previous topic about this, are they possibly taking this too far? There's advertising and then there's blatant lies with no supporting evidence.

+1, Amen, and Good Show.

'Obtain' would have been a better word. I meant that when they start off with no browser, they go for a different one to usual, because it's no less convenient.

Most people aren't even aware that there are other browsers. And what if Microsoft start selling a disc with IE on it? People are just going to get that.

I hate to say it but alot of companies do that... Not just Microsoft and as I said before everything they claimed can be backed up.

And as I said before, not all of it can be backed up.

Go IE! We may not have the latest and greatest, but we have the second best!

Can be backed up they are currently the browser with the most security mechanisms out of all of them go look it up.


Other browsers have private browsing none other include the filtering


Use an accelerator and you'll see what they mean. I love the ability to translate without having to dive to another website.



All three support current in use standards and IE doesn't claim otherwise.



Both Chrome and IE have excellent developer tools no other browser can even compare.



And this is true.



Find me a browser with more features straight out of the box.


Not a lie either.


Best for being locked down and compatibility with enterprise apps.



Depends what site you visit on what browser i've found different browsers better at different sites IE doesn't claim they are the best here.

Anyways what im saying is if you see past the BS other sites




Why support a standard not set in stone and consistently changing? Im not a IE user but guys cut them some slack.
And IE9 plans to support these standards and when that comes around these standards will be in use.

My comments are in bold.
By the way, I never claimed that none of the statements could be backed up, I just said some of them couldn't.

They don't want to avoid something new they don't want to implement something not in use and only have to modify it later on.

It's only not in use because companies like Microsoft are saying they won't put it into their browsers because it's not in use Somebody needs to push forward and innovate.

Besides, that was only one of my points.

But the reason it's not in use is because it's not supported. If you start incorperating things into your coding that don't even work with most browsers then not as many people are going to use your site.

But if the standard is unstable and consistently changing and requires modification who is going to implement it into their site? See where i'm going here. They said in a blog post they plan to implement it when the standard is completed.

@Cattius

I reread some of your posts at the time this chart was made. The only point that may be non true or exaggerated is the crash recovery.

I haven't seen any independent test on malware tests on the browsers if you can find a current one that includes IE8 please show.

As far as some of the other points saying they can be added with add on's the point is that IE includes these out of the box without needing to search for add ons.

With the customizations I think they are trying to say to get the features that IE8 comes with standard you need to search for add ons for which is somewhat true.

As I said I don't use IE atm even though it is decent.

And if im not mistaken crash recovery was added to Chrome after this chart was made im not sure though.

This chart is accurate though and is not anymore misleading then any other ad considering the garbage some other companies spit out in AD's I don't think we should be burning Microsoft at the stake for this.

The reason I took offence at this chart in the first place is because, as well as a few sections that I've identified that are certainly untrue, almost all the sections twist the facts. Now if a person with any tech knowledge at all sees this chart, they'll realise the facts have been twisted and won't let it influence their decisions. But if a complete newbie sees this chart, they're going to think that IE is the best browser in the world, and frankly we don't need any more IE fanboys. A friend of mine stopped using FF (which I'd recommended) and started using IE after seeing a Microsoft advert that twisted the facts - not this advert but one that made similar statements - and it took me SO long to convert him back to FF again It's adverts like these that are the reason we get taught at school, "IE is the only browser you should ever use, all the others are unsafe" - which is honestly what we get taught. It sucks, I know.

The independent test I was referring to was one conducted by Virus Bulletin a while back. I have had a look for it but unfortunately can't find it. In fact the only browser security test I could find was an out-of-date one (it was testing the IE8 RC, plus Chrome 1, Safari 3 and FF 3), that was sponsored by Microsoft AND had results that seemed frankly ridiculous. But I'll keep looking.

I think this chart was made pretty recently, and Chrome has had crash recovery for a while (which btw, does work in my experience, despite some posts suggesting otherwise in the previous topic about this), so they must have known that they were making false statements.

And with customization. Look, as I said before, and Caboose said in the previous topic, CUSTOMIZATION IS ALL ABOUT - guess what - CUSTOMIZATION. Wikipedia defines customize as: 'To alter to suit individual requirements or specifications'. Therefore FF wins that section, because no other browser can currently beat its huge range of add-ons.

And I agree, this isn't the only advert I've seen that lies. I've seen hundreds - just go to Apple or Microsoft's websites where they're ten a page - and I think that every one of these lies should be removed as they are misleading adverts. It's unlikely that'll ever happen of course, because big companies like Apple and Microsoft frequently act like they're above the law and are rarely punished for it by the agencies that are MEANT to deal with these things.

Security: Firefox. I've definitely had more problems with IE than Firefox, no matter what they say.

Privacy: All three have these features. I like Chrome for this the most, but it's a personal opinion.

Ease of Use: Definitely, 100% Chrome.

Web Standards: Anything but IE. What they fail to mention is that both Chrome and Firefox still support the older standards as well as the new ones. IE only does the old, how the hell could it win in this?

Developer Tools: Again, all three have these. I'd say Chrome has the widest range but i like the way Firefox shows you the sources of web pages. Now if only i could have that as a text editor...

Reliability: Chrome has these features too, but in real world tests i'm pretty sure Firefox has crashed the least number of times on me.

Customization: I've made this point time and time again, if it is there to start with then you can't change anything, it's not customizable. And even then, the 'in the box' IE features don't even come close to what Firefox has.

Compatability: Maybe, but only due to lazy developing. I can honestly say i've never come across a site that doesn't work with Firefox or IE, but only one that didn't work with Chrome, and i'm not even sure if it was finished yet.

Manageability: I have no idea what this is. Guidance sounds like Help, and all three have this although nobody uses any of them. As for Enterprise tools, what the hell is that? Isn't this just customization all over again?

Performance: Chrome for start up speed, and beyond that is anyone's guess. In my experience though, IE hasn't been the fastest of browsers.

Emo, face it. You are just wrong. Anyway, i thought Microsoft had taken this chart down, what the hell happened to that?

A hearty +1 to most of your comments And as far as I'm aware the chart was never taken down, nor have Microsoft ever considered taking it down, although they should. I may be wrong though.

Microsoft? Twist the facts to make it look their way is the best way?
Never!

The only outright fallacy I can see is " Internet Explorer 8 is more compatible with more sites on the Internet than any other browser. "
Yet they themselves say that it doesn't support emerging standards. IE 8 scores in the 20s/30s on the Acid3 test, where Opera gets a perfect score, and Chrome and Firefox get in the 70s/80s/90s.

Seriously, I can't *quite* find lies in any of the other parts of that table.
Nevertheless, I'd like to take issue with:
"Sure, Firefox may win in sheer number of add-ons, but many of the customizations you'd want to download for Firefox are already a part of Internet Explorer 8 – right out of the box."
Maybe, but only if you're looking for some pretty basic things. You just can't match the sheer number of addons that FF has.

Performance: Yeah, I get that. IE 8 did close the gap a lot, I've used 7 and 8; 8's noticeably faster.

Privacy: Yeah, under default settings. However, again, FF's addons help here; there's all sorts of addons out there to help with privacy (Close N Forget, for example; deletes all cookies/history of the closed tab, with varying settings on thoroughness.)

Reliability: I believe that's true; however, one could argue that it really doesn't help much to have both.

Ease of Use? Internet browsers are pretty seriously easy to use, I can't really be objective about this, as I feel that anyone with trouble using any of the major browsers probably has bigger problems.

Web standards: I don't know that IE 8 is "stronger" with current standards, although for all I know it could be true. However, the fact that FF and company already support the other standards means that they'll likely have an easier time implementing it when it DOES become standard.

Have you read anything else in this thread?

Yes, I just didn't feel obligated to respond to any of it.

All you need to do is look one or two posts above your own to discover that most of the things on there are downright lies.