Help - Search - Members - Calendar
Full Version: Salcast 13 Released!
Sal's RuneScape Forum > Forum & Site Talk > Website & Forum Announcements
Pages: 1, 2
One
SalCast Episode #13 is now available! The SalCast Team have returned once again, they have adapted their skills to work with Skype recording! This episode, believe it or not was still slightly late however comparing this cast to other SalCasts it’s still relatively early! The team also have some new faces coming your way so be sure to look out for those in the next episode! For now, sit back and relax whilst listening to the 13th installment to the SalCast! Remember to get in any suggestions and feedback into the SalCast forums!

Have a great time listening, and stay tuned! All episodes of the SalCast are back onto iTunes, and the latest episode will be available for download and subscription soon! Also massive thank-you to the members of the SalCast that contributed to this Episode of the SalCast: DaNoobProPlayer, Sofee, Pixel Bunnie, Master Neverdead, Lilshu, Falcon, Desireful, Fatalysm, Doddsy and Rizzo. They have all worked very hard on this new episode, it has been fun working in a slightly different manner!

Helpful Links:

Adam?
It was ok but TMZ was better.
Falcon
Yes!
biggrin.gif Great job everyone, and they said we were slow yay.gif

QUOTE (Adam? @ Jul 15 2009, 11:38 AM) *
It was ok but TMZ was better.


You couldn't even have listened to it yet tongue.gif
John_And_Edward
Out already? Or am I used to having two a year? box.gif
Falcon
QUOTE (eeeee Combat @ Jul 15 2009, 11:39 AM) *
Out already? Or am I used to having two a year? box.gif


Skype = Uber Fast and better casts biggrin.gif
Doddsy
We've got the ball rolling now so we can produce them faster, and hopefully at a higher quality.
-REAP-
EW 13 get rid of it.
And sorry but no one listens to salcast except to be jealous of Fatal

And yeah TMZ is better than this. Sorry but real podcasts have no chix
Topdog
Fatalysm laughs too much, just wanted to point that out.

But other than that, good job, I guess.
Easl
That was bloody quick....

Now check my app aware.gif
blad
Did I really just hear Don't Stop Believin' in the background?

Really?
Falcon
QUOTE (-REAP- @ Jul 15 2009, 12:28 PM) *
Sorry but real podcasts have no chix


Mommee!!! Sexist man scares me!
Easl
XD "You should kill yourself is the first topic" that is a great topic!
Topdog
QUOTE (blad @ Jul 15 2009, 12:38 PM) *
Did I really just hear Don't Stop Believin' in the background?

Really?

And they stopped Hey Jude right in the middle of the song. unsure.gif
_Ej
Wow they're getting way faster ohmy.gif
Falcon
QUOTE (_Ej @ Jul 15 2009, 01:14 PM) *
Wow they're getting way faster ohmy.gif


Yup' biggrin.gif
I was even surprised xd.gif
-REAP-
QUOTE (Falconilize @ Jul 15 2009, 09:56 AM) *
QUOTE (-REAP- @ Jul 15 2009, 12:28 PM) *
Sorry but real podcasts have no chix


Mommee!!! Sexist man scares me!

Go to any podcast on iTunes.

Some people are getting salcast confused with the newspaper, which is 2-3 months late every time.
No one wants to read February's news in mid March sleep.gif
Swagga
fatalysm does laugh too much. pfft.gif
good job i guess.
Easl
QUOTE (-REAP- @ Jul 15 2009, 01:18 PM) *
QUOTE (Falconilize @ Jul 15 2009, 09:56 AM) *
QUOTE (-REAP- @ Jul 15 2009, 12:28 PM) *
Sorry but real podcasts have no chix


Mommee!!! Sexist man scares me!

Go to any podcast on iTunes.

Some people are getting salcast confused with the newspaper, which is 2-3 months late every time.
No one wants to read February's news in mid March sleep.gif

Lol, thats because you haven't seen the newspaper forums. It makes fakes look super active. Its dead as a very dead MJ
Falcon
I can't wait 'til the announcements bar looks something like this:

Welcome back! You're last visit was: A minute ago
Sal's Runescape Forum latest news: Salcast 16 is up! • Salcast 15 Available! • New Guides! • Salcast 14 Is Out!
Warrior Zynk
Alright, here are my thoughts:

  1. The first part was better than most SalCasts, more talk, less songs, good conversation. thumbs.gif
  2. I help whenever I have the spare time, thus I helped with the Database Drive #2. tongue.gif
    Also, I had the time to write up a very extensive Mining Help re-write. Proud of that there, though it still needs time to become finished. biggrin.gif
  3. Dissing on the database drive wasn't very tasteful though in my opinion. slanty.gif
  4. No achievements section this time? angry.gif
Mr Carter
TMZ should be the official podcast for Sal's
One
QUOTE (Adam? @ Jul 15 2009, 03:38 PM) *
It was ok but TMZ was better.

QUOTE (-REAP- @ Jul 15 2009, 04:28 PM) *
And yeah TMZ is better than this. Sorry but real podcasts have no chix

QUOTE (Mr Carter @ Jul 15 2009, 07:48 PM) *
TMZ should be the official podcast for Sal's


I understand that you might think this quite clearly, which is absolutely fine. Could you however, give me more of an explanation into why exactly you have these opinions. I've tried not commenting on these posts, because i don't find them constructive but in a way they are the most constructive posts. It's going to be easier for us to develop as a podcast if we know exactly what we are doing wrong that others seem to be doing right.

You can all surely understand that this is a podcast for the community, which you are a part of. Your opinions are valued, but we can't progress further without your help!
Trey
QUOTE (Fatalysm @ Jul 15 2009, 01:55 PM) *
QUOTE (Adam? @ Jul 15 2009, 03:38 PM) *
It was ok but TMZ was better.

QUOTE (-REAP- @ Jul 15 2009, 04:28 PM) *
And yeah TMZ is better than this. Sorry but real podcasts have no chix

QUOTE (Mr Carter @ Jul 15 2009, 07:48 PM) *
TMZ should be the official podcast for Sal's


I understand that you might think this quite clearly, which is absolutely fine. Could you however, give me more of an explanation into why exactly you have these opinions. I've tried not commenting on these posts, because i don't find them constructive but in a way they are the most constructive posts. It's going to be easier for us to develop as a podcast if we know exactly what we are doing wrong that others seem to be doing right.

You can all surely understand that this is a podcast for the community, which you are a part of. Your opinions are valued, but we can't progress further without your help!

A lot of the microphones have bad quality. At some times, the music is too loud, and it's hard to listen to the people talking, and sometimes it's hard to understand what people are even saying. That's just my opinion.
LightSlei
We can understand you. Honestly everyone's been yelling TMZ is great, am I the only person who can't understand a single word anyone on that says?

Does it still sounds severely scripted to anyone else? I think just doing things on the go would be better.
Easl
Sacast interviewed dani, therefore I prefer the salcast, it would of been even better if "its" mic had worked tongue.gif
Topdog
QUOTE (Fatalysm @ Jul 15 2009, 02:55 PM) *
QUOTE (Adam? @ Jul 15 2009, 03:38 PM) *
It was ok but TMZ was better.

QUOTE (-REAP- @ Jul 15 2009, 04:28 PM) *
And yeah TMZ is better than this. Sorry but real podcasts have no chix

QUOTE (Mr Carter @ Jul 15 2009, 07:48 PM) *
TMZ should be the official podcast for Sal's

I understand that you might think this quite clearly, which is absolutely fine. Could you however, give me more of an explanation into why exactly you have these opinions. I've tried not commenting on these posts, because i don't find them constructive but in a way they are the most constructive posts. It's going to be easier for us to develop as a podcast if we know exactly what we are doing wrong that others seem to be doing right.

You can all surely understand that this is a podcast for the community, which you are a part of. Your opinions are valued, but we can't progress further without your help!

The TMZ is funnier, but that's just my opinion. Also, their hosts don't laugh every five seconds, Fatalysm. cool.gif

Both the TMZ and SC are good podcasts, so I think in the end it all comes down to user-preference.

Edit: And Trey makes some good points.
Fencefry
ohmy.gif
...
ohmy.gif

Wow, didn't expect that speed. Well good job everyone! (Maybe eventually get on a schedule so instead of Salcast 13 it's Early July/July Salcast?)
Easl
You have no idea how tempted I am to start a third cast...the e-show aware.gif
LightSlei
QUOTE (easl @ Jul 15 2009, 03:42 PM) *
You have no idea how tempted I am to start a third cast...the e-show aware.gif



$10 under the table deal tongue.gif.
DenialOfService
whoever counts how many times fatalysm laughs in the podcast gets a cookie
Muttmuttinthebutt
QUOTE
Pixel Bunnie,

Wat.

(I thought she quit :3 )
Dwarrior
It sounds like you copy and pasted Sal's TMZ cast. But you forgot to edit your recording and it sounds like shizzle.

EDIT: I listened to the entire thing. The only decent part was the "THIS IS SALSCAST" part. I couldn't understand most of it due to the crappy recording and crappy mics.
Simple013
Sat through the first 18 minutes and decided it was enough. Inside jokes, laughing because of what, doesn't grab me. Maybe I'll get around to the next 30-something minutes in a few days. I guess it would help if you cut down on length now that you found a way to get it out more often (or faster what ever you prefer). That would give you the the possibility to react in "real-time" to what is happening on the forums.

Just one more thing: Get some decent mike's and use something to prevent pop's (like blowing into the mike)
Definition
The first five minutes emphasize how they'll like you to post.

It's pretty unappealing.
Falcon
QUOTE (Dwarrior @ Jul 15 2009, 05:00 PM) *
It sounds like you copy and pasted Sal's TMZ cast. But you forgot to edit your recording and it sounds like shizzle.


All of these comments really aren't necessary. We get that some of you favor TMZ over the Salcast, so you don't need to keep sticking your harshly written opinions at us.
And no, no, no, we came up with the 'no script' idea, long before TMZ was even though of.
DenialOfService
QUOTE (Falconilize @ Jul 15 2009, 06:01 PM) *
QUOTE (Dwarrior @ Jul 15 2009, 05:00 PM) *
It sounds like you copy and pasted Sal's TMZ cast. But you forgot to edit your recording and it sounds like shizzle.


All of these comments really aren't necessary.
And no, no, no, we came up with the 'no script' idea, long before TMZ was even though of.

Well maybe if you were good at it maybe it would be helpful.

You guys sound like a bunch of giggling 9 year olds
Muttmuttinthebutt
The Salcast is good, don't let these asses get to you all.
Falcon
QUOTE (Breaker @ Jul 15 2009, 06:02 PM) *
QUOTE (Falconilize @ Jul 15 2009, 06:01 PM) *
QUOTE (Dwarrior @ Jul 15 2009, 05:00 PM) *
It sounds like you copy and pasted Sal's TMZ cast. But you forgot to edit your recording and it sounds like shizzle.


All of these comments really aren't necessary.
And no, no, no, we came up with the 'no script' idea, long before TMZ was even though of.

Well maybe if you were good at it maybe it would be helpful.

You guys sound like a bunch of giggling 9 year olds


'Salcast Suggestions' wizard.gif
If you think your message is getting through in simple little posts, it's not.
Make a suggestion, and maybe it'll fall through. Yes, the hosts did laugh a bit too much, (especially Fatal, but it's not like he's coughing into the mic for pete's sake) but just posting about it here won't do much.

QUOTE (Mutt @ Jul 15 2009, 06:04 PM) *
The Salcast is good, don't let these asses get to you all.


Thanks Mutt tongue.gif
*Sets Up Mental Barrier*

QUOTE (Breaker @ Jul 15 2009, 06:02 PM) *
You guys sound like a bunch of giggling 9 year olds


But Sofee and Danoob are pretty close to nine...
Uh-oh, pun time aware.gif
Dwarrior
Seriously. I could hardly understand most of what you all were saying. Either, your mics totally blow, or your recording program blows.. or both.. also. The whole giggling through the entire thing was rather unprofessional and left me confused as to if I were supposed to find something funny.
-82-
Woah, I'm listening to it right now, its pretty awesome.
Kingy
Get rid of the annoying music in the background.. its distracting. (i personally like journey.. but not as background music.)

just have speaking no music.
LightSlei
QUOTE (Falconilize @ Jul 15 2009, 06:01 PM) *
QUOTE (Dwarrior @ Jul 15 2009, 05:00 PM) *
It sounds like you copy and pasted Sal's TMZ cast. But you forgot to edit your recording and it sounds like shizzle.


All of these comments really aren't necessary. We get that some of you favor TMZ over the Salcast, so you don't need to keep sticking your harshly written opinions at us.
And no, no, no, we came up with the 'no script' idea, long before TMZ was even though of.



Then exactly why does it sound like it's still scripted? It literally sounds like you're reading off a written down script. I'd find it more entertaining if it sounded less professional and more friendly open, like you guys have discussions about each of the main topics.
Niger
QUOTE (Falconilize @ Jul 15 2009, 05:01 PM) *
QUOTE (Dwarrior @ Jul 15 2009, 05:00 PM) *
It sounds like you copy and pasted Sal's TMZ cast. But you forgot to edit your recording and it sounds like shizzle.


All of these comments really aren't necessary. We get that some of you favor TMZ over the Salcast, so you don't need to keep sticking your harshly written opinions at us.
And no, no, no, we came up with the 'no script' idea, long before TMZ was even though of.


It's not like "not using a script" is some innovative podcasting technique. Look at shows like Diggnation, TWIT or Buzz out loud, these shows have been around for years and have not used a script. So don't accuse TMZ for stealing "not using a script".
Topdog
QUOTE (Niger @ Jul 15 2009, 06:34 PM) *
QUOTE (Falconilize @ Jul 15 2009, 05:01 PM) *
QUOTE (Dwarrior @ Jul 15 2009, 05:00 PM) *
It sounds like you copy and pasted Sal's TMZ cast. But you forgot to edit your recording and it sounds like shizzle.


All of these comments really aren't necessary. We get that some of you favor TMZ over the Salcast, so you don't need to keep sticking your harshly written opinions at us.
And no, no, no, we came up with the 'no script' idea, long before TMZ was even though of.


It's not like "not using a script" is some innovative podcasting technique. Look at shows like Diggnation, TWIT or Buzz out loud, these shows have been around for years and have not used a script. So don't accuse TMZ for stealing "not using a script".

And in this community, it was the TMZ who actually implemented "not using a script" first.
Doddsy
QUOTE (Topdog @ Jul 15 2009, 10:53 PM) *
QUOTE (Niger @ Jul 15 2009, 06:34 PM) *
QUOTE (Falconilize @ Jul 15 2009, 05:01 PM) *
QUOTE (Dwarrior @ Jul 15 2009, 05:00 PM) *
It sounds like you copy and pasted Sal's TMZ cast. But you forgot to edit your recording and it sounds like shizzle.


All of these comments really aren't necessary. We get that some of you favor TMZ over the Salcast, so you don't need to keep sticking your harshly written opinions at us.
And no, no, no, we came up with the 'no script' idea, long before TMZ was even though of.


It's not like "not using a script" is some innovative podcasting technique. Look at shows like Diggnation, TWIT or Buzz out loud, these shows have been around for years and have not used a script. So don't accuse TMZ for stealing "not using a script".

And in this community, it was the TMZ who actually implemented "not using a script" first.

If you didn't notice by what people have said we recorded this before TMZ was released
-REAP-
QUOTE (Fatalysm @ Jul 15 2009, 11:55 AM) *
QUOTE (Adam? @ Jul 15 2009, 03:38 PM) *
It was ok but TMZ was better.

QUOTE (-REAP- @ Jul 15 2009, 04:28 PM) *
And yeah TMZ is better than this. Sorry but real podcasts have no chix

QUOTE (Mr Carter @ Jul 15 2009, 07:48 PM) *
TMZ should be the official podcast for Sal's


I understand that you might think this quite clearly, which is absolutely fine. Could you however, give me more of an explanation into why exactly you have these opinions. I've tried not commenting on these posts, because i don't find them constructive but in a way they are the most constructive posts. It's going to be easier for us to develop as a podcast if we know exactly what we are doing wrong that others seem to be doing right.

You can all surely understand that this is a podcast for the community, which you are a part of. Your opinions are valued, but we can't progress further without your help!

TMZ is just a few guys (with no hard to understand accents or bad mics sleep.gif) just talkin' like a real podcast. It's kind of like an IGN podcast. They just talk about whatever. And if you had reader mail or something a lot more people would listen to see if they were submitted.

Also
-remove music when people are talking
-just all talk freely because it's boring trying to get things done in a podcast. Make it something people want to listen to
Topdog
QUOTE (Doddsy @ Jul 15 2009, 07:40 PM) *
QUOTE (Topdog @ Jul 15 2009, 10:53 PM) *
QUOTE (Niger @ Jul 15 2009, 06:34 PM) *
QUOTE (Falconilize @ Jul 15 2009, 05:01 PM) *
QUOTE (Dwarrior @ Jul 15 2009, 05:00 PM) *
It sounds like you copy and pasted Sal's TMZ cast. But you forgot to edit your recording and it sounds like shizzle.


All of these comments really aren't necessary. We get that some of you favor TMZ over the Salcast, so you don't need to keep sticking your harshly written opinions at us.
And no, no, no, we came up with the 'no script' idea, long before TMZ was even though of.


It's not like "not using a script" is some innovative podcasting technique. Look at shows like Diggnation, TWIT or Buzz out loud, these shows have been around for years and have not used a script. So don't accuse TMZ for stealing "not using a script".

And in this community, it was the TMZ who actually implemented "not using a script" first.

If you didn't notice by what people have said we recorded this before TMZ was released

If you didn't notice by what people have said, nobody mentioned that you recorded this before the TMZ was released. Falcon said that you thought of the idea before the TMZ did, but because nobody said that you actually recorded this who knows when, we could have all assumed that you recorded this last night. But anyway, in no way do I see why you guys (Falcon in particular) care so much about the "no scripts" idea. The TMZ brought out the same idea first in their podcast, even if you guys recorded yours first. Big deal.

All in all, both the TMZ and the SC are good podcasts, but both podcasts still need work on to be perfected.
Doddsy
QUOTE (Topdog @ Jul 15 2009, 11:56 PM) *
QUOTE (Doddsy @ Jul 15 2009, 07:40 PM) *
QUOTE (Topdog @ Jul 15 2009, 10:53 PM) *
QUOTE (Niger @ Jul 15 2009, 06:34 PM) *
QUOTE (Falconilize @ Jul 15 2009, 05:01 PM) *
QUOTE (Dwarrior @ Jul 15 2009, 05:00 PM) *
It sounds like you copy and pasted Sal's TMZ cast. But you forgot to edit your recording and it sounds like shizzle.


All of these comments really aren't necessary. We get that some of you favor TMZ over the Salcast, so you don't need to keep sticking your harshly written opinions at us.
And no, no, no, we came up with the 'no script' idea, long before TMZ was even though of.


It's not like "not using a script" is some innovative podcasting technique. Look at shows like Diggnation, TWIT or Buzz out loud, these shows have been around for years and have not used a script. So don't accuse TMZ for stealing "not using a script".

And in this community, it was the TMZ who actually implemented "not using a script" first.

If you didn't notice by what people have said we recorded this before TMZ was released

If you didn't notice by what people have said, nobody mentioned that you recorded this before the TMZ was released. Falcon said that you thought of the idea before the TMZ did, but because nobody said that you actually recorded this who knows when, we could have all assumed that you recorded this last night. But anyway, in no way do I see why you guys (Falcon in particular) care so much about the "no scripts" idea. The TMZ brought out the same idea first in their podcast, even if you guys recorded yours first. Big deal.

All in all, both the TMZ and the SC are good podcasts, but both podcasts still need work on to be perfected.

In the original TMZ topic is was mentioned.
Topdog
QUOTE (Doddsy @ Jul 15 2009, 08:15 PM) *
QUOTE (Topdog @ Jul 15 2009, 11:56 PM) *
QUOTE (Doddsy @ Jul 15 2009, 07:40 PM) *
QUOTE (Topdog @ Jul 15 2009, 10:53 PM) *
QUOTE (Niger @ Jul 15 2009, 06:34 PM) *
QUOTE (Falconilize @ Jul 15 2009, 05:01 PM) *
QUOTE (Dwarrior @ Jul 15 2009, 05:00 PM) *
It sounds like you copy and pasted Sal's TMZ cast. But you forgot to edit your recording and it sounds like shizzle.


All of these comments really aren't necessary. We get that some of you favor TMZ over the Salcast, so you don't need to keep sticking your harshly written opinions at us.
And no, no, no, we came up with the 'no script' idea, long before TMZ was even though of.


It's not like "not using a script" is some innovative podcasting technique. Look at shows like Diggnation, TWIT or Buzz out loud, these shows have been around for years and have not used a script. So don't accuse TMZ for stealing "not using a script".

And in this community, it was the TMZ who actually implemented "not using a script" first.

If you didn't notice by what people have said we recorded this before TMZ was released

If you didn't notice by what people have said, nobody mentioned that you recorded this before the TMZ was released. Falcon said that you thought of the idea before the TMZ did, but because nobody said that you actually recorded this who knows when, we could have all assumed that you recorded this last night. But anyway, in no way do I see why you guys (Falcon in particular) care so much about the "no scripts" idea. The TMZ brought out the same idea first in their podcast, even if you guys recorded yours first. Big deal.

All in all, both the TMZ and the SC are good podcasts, but both podcasts still need work on to be perfected.

In the original TMZ topic is it was mentioned.

My point is, Doddsy, nobody should really care about who thought of the idea first or who brought out the idea first. Here are some facts - The SC thought about the idea long before the TMZ even existed, whatever. The TMZ implemented the idea, as in bringing it out to the community, first, okay. - But does this really matter, though? A podcast is a podcast, and if you don't know, the "no scripts" idea has existed for a long, long time; it's not an original idea. So, why is it that, whenever someone part of the TMZ crew or someone who is a fan of the TMZ says that they like the TMZ's style better, someone part of the SC crew like Falcon comes in to say that the SC thought of the idea first? I mean, who really cares, especially when that someone is talking about an idea that definitely isn't original?
Doddsy
QUOTE (Topdog @ Jul 16 2009, 01:25 AM) *
QUOTE (Doddsy @ Jul 15 2009, 08:15 PM) *
QUOTE (Topdog @ Jul 15 2009, 11:56 PM) *
QUOTE (Doddsy @ Jul 15 2009, 07:40 PM) *
QUOTE (Topdog @ Jul 15 2009, 10:53 PM) *
QUOTE (Niger @ Jul 15 2009, 06:34 PM) *
QUOTE (Falconilize @ Jul 15 2009, 05:01 PM) *
QUOTE (Dwarrior @ Jul 15 2009, 05:00 PM) *
It sounds like you copy and pasted Sal's TMZ cast. But you forgot to edit your recording and it sounds like shizzle.


All of these comments really aren't necessary. We get that some of you favor TMZ over the Salcast, so you don't need to keep sticking your harshly written opinions at us.
And no, no, no, we came up with the 'no script' idea, long before TMZ was even though of.


It's not like "not using a script" is some innovative podcasting technique. Look at shows like Diggnation, TWIT or Buzz out loud, these shows have been around for years and have not used a script. So don't accuse TMZ for stealing "not using a script".

And in this community, it was the TMZ who actually implemented "not using a script" first.

If you didn't notice by what people have said we recorded this before TMZ was released

If you didn't notice by what people have said, nobody mentioned that you recorded this before the TMZ was released. Falcon said that you thought of the idea before the TMZ did, but because nobody said that you actually recorded this who knows when, we could have all assumed that you recorded this last night. But anyway, in no way do I see why you guys (Falcon in particular) care so much about the "no scripts" idea. The TMZ brought out the same idea first in their podcast, even if you guys recorded yours first. Big deal.

All in all, both the TMZ and the SC are good podcasts, but both podcasts still need work on to be perfected.

In the original TMZ topic is it was mentioned.

My point is, Doddsy, nobody should really care about who thought of the idea first or who brought out the idea first. Here are some facts - The SC thought about the idea long before the TMZ even existed, whatever. The TMZ implemented the idea, as in bringing it out to the community, first, okay. - But does this really matter, though? A podcast is a podcast, and if you don't know, the "no scripts" idea has existed for a long, long time; it's not an original idea. So, why is it that, whenever someone part of the TMZ crew or someone who is a fan of the TMZ says that they like the TMZ's style better, someone part of the SC crew like Falcon comes in to say that the SC thought of the idea first? I mean, who really cares, especially when that someone is talking about an idea that definitely isn't original?

I don't know why Falcon does what he does, neither do I really agree with it. I haven't come in here and had a go at the TMZ about them doing it after us or whatever, I don't really care to be honest.

What does annoy me slightly is that people said to ditch the scripts so we did. When we do that all we get it hate and complaints. We made a step forward, that was long due, and the people just pile abuse on us again.
This is a "lo-fi" version of our main content. To view the full version with more information, formatting and images, please click here.
Invision Power Board © 2001-2009 Invision Power Services, Inc.