I saw this in the Scape Lounge posted by Kingy (full credit goes to him), and finally decided to put this forth as an official suggestion for the community. Sals should start a radio station. It probably wouldn't be that complicated, and would pull the community together, as the fact that it would take a lot of people to keep it going, and even more to keep enough people listening to it or else there'd be no point. We could have music, interviews, site news, kinda like the SalCast, but more interesting with a lot more stuff. If anyone supports this, please vote here.

I don't think another topic for this is necessary. The changes you made to Kingy's idea basically just turns Salcast into a daily thing.

The station would have anyone who wanted to join in a part of it.
It wouldn't be taken that seriously in the lounge btw.

I can guarantee that an official Sal's radio would not have anyone that wishes to be on it. It's 20x easier to screw this up than it is to screw and IRC channel up, and that lasted for a couple months.

Wouldn't that fair use policy thing that was brought up for the Salcast qualify here?

Internet radio is different from podcasts (podcasts are 1 hour every [timeframe here], radios are 24/7), and claiming fair use policy would bring the forum to litigation. Almost surely, that is.

Also see Razorlike's post.

This site seems interesting considering this is free.
http://www.techcrunch.com/2007/06/07/make-...ion-ubroadcast/

I could pay for a broadcasting license in a couple of weeks time, if this proposal was to go ahead. Of course there is still the proposition of getting a server to host on. My main issues that come with this would have to be actually going ahead and having people around to talk for an hour or two. It's entirely possible, perhaps with two hosts at a time or something.

It's something that has been discussed with myself and another person I can't quite name yet . We were talking about making the SalCast into a new fun thing and how eventually breaking it down into a radio would be entirely possible.

I'd be quite happy to run this project, if everyone was to agree with it. Of course, I can always pay for a server too but I'm not that tech savvy that I understand servers that well .

Also apart from background music and the occasional song, why on earth would you want music when there are other free online resources? Apart from that, I think the main flaw was money. I'll get money, let's do it .

If the radio isn't based in the USa surely we get aroudn that. I bet if we can get a Sealand IP they won't have any laws at all about this. Therefore it'd be free

@Razorlike, something that is free even if it is a small portion is better than the portion being payed, we need to take advatage of the free options we have but without making the broadcatsing crap.
I can see people are liking the idea to this, I would be happy to do something that isn't hosting the channel, if it all goes well we may get quite a lot of people listening to it.

I've just recently found out that if we are just doing a talkshow then there is nothing to worry about obviously. What I really found out was that a license from the UK to play music that would be suitable enough if run from the UK is £156.06! A far bit cheaper than the US Royalties and it's still available for everyone to listen to as far as I'm aware.

This was according to this website:
http://www.ppluk.com/en/Music-Users/Online...caster-licence/

There are other alternatives however .

£156 is a hefty load of money, we should obviously get donnations from people if no one wants to pay the whole amount.
By the way is £156 for a year or a month or something else?

Essentially it's for a year, I've already said I'd pay $500. I'll make the money to pay £156 if it's something that people want. I'm obviously happy to take donations for that but people aren't going to feel safe donating to me generally so maybe i might have to end up paying $500 to Salmoneus plus server costs for the ability for people to donate.

£156, I'll have it ready for everyone in two weeks time . I'd do it next week, but I have a life to live. Actually, i could do it today but that isn't something I'm willing to do without careful planning.

Woah nice, so yeh, you say music wouldnt be good.. or talking would be more better.. but i personally dont like stations that talk too much.

If you do manage to pay salmoneus that amount of money then I will be quite surprised, I maybe able to donate if I get a decent amount of money from my award from school or my part job I have got, it is somwthing to think about. 156/12=£13 A month.
£13 isn't bad for amonth, I think we can manage that.

I dunno guys, isn't it easy to use an IP changer to a country where there are no royalties, either a piddly sea state like Sealand, an African country where they jsut don't care or Russia?

I would be willing to pay about 15 pounds. which is like 25 dollars. And give 4 hours a week DJ slots.

It might just be easier for me to pay the whole fee, it's not right that people pay to get hosted on a radio show. I'd imagine if it was an official project their would be an application system and we could try-out members for radio. Let me worry about the money, it's not a problem. I don't want people really having to chip in to something when there isn't a need to.

If we are going to do it, we may as well do it the right way.

I've shown my support in the 'Scape lounge thread. Topdog even added me to the possible DJ list. I've heard the arguments about how difficult it would be and how easily it could fail, but if there was any way some of the people with the programs could actually get this up and working, I'd gladly stick with it.

To be honest, before we start planning everything, I think we should talk to Sal to see if he's up for this and if he's willing to pay for it as well as use the storage it would require, and whatever other technical stuff that would go along with it. If he doesn't have enough money to pay for it himself, he would need to be willing to accept so much money from donators. If he said no to all of this, there would be no point to all of the planning that went on.

Planning cant hurt.. especially if we are forced to make it unnoficial.

I'd be happy to be a DJ, I have a wide variety of music I listen to.
Fatalysm, btw, are you rich?
And what I think it needs is the perfect blend of music and talking. We definitely have enough people for it tho ^^

How did you get that little "THIS IS SALCAST" in the salcast?

Would love get one for me "THIS IS KINGY FOR SALS RADIO R R R RAAAAAVING UP THE HOUSE"

Fatalism seems to be paying a whole bulk of money at the start but really it is quite average, if you divide 156 by 12 (£156 is a yearly cost) you get 13, after that you divide it by 30 which equals approx: 40p a day which is something I bet we can all afford if we had a paying job.
For sal, he could create a forum that leads to the channel, then we need to wait for sal to accept this if it isn't too much for him.

We could also look into advertising for help costs

We could also just make a donate link on sals forums/site and then use paypal or something.

There's already a donate link, bro.

If we're gonna go ahead with this plan, we might as well first host the radio on our own server. We can see how many people are gonna use the radio, and this way, we won't risk losing money and Sal's bandwith at the same time. Additionally, I've already set up a list of possible DJs in the other thread, and so far it seems like we have about 6 or 7. I think we need at least 20 DJs, and the timezones of the DJs should obviously be spread out; the sun never sets on the Sal's radio.

As for licensing, I found out that it's pretty cheap. I remember giving out the link to this one site on Novus (to Kingy), but I forgot the link. Maybe if he remembers it he can bring it up. But anyway, the price there was about the same as Shoutcast, but it also offered the licensing to stream music whereas I believe Shoutcast does not. Only thing is, the radio can only be played from our page on their site. But I think that it'll be manageable, just have a link to the page on our site's navigation bar.

Edit: Remembered the site - http://loudcity.net


Agreed, I don't want to turn it too much like the Salcast. The radio should be mainly music, but an occasional live interview with someone or whatever would be chill. But, I guess it's mostly up to whoever is the DJ, seeing that at the moment it'll be their show.


You wanna pay for it all, dude? Okay. Good for you, man. God shines in your heart. :]

Whilst teh website you posted is good, it stops you being able to play it in your own music player, which is what alot of radio listeners do.

2 problems with this....

1) Since we (Sal's members) are from all over the world most will not like the music and very little people will listen.

2) This is a total copy from Zybez. They won't like it and plus we don't have nearly the same number of people as them and their radio already gets sucky numbers.

It's not like were keeping the DJ's to a certain country.

1) And there are people who are open-minded and will listen to a variety of music.

2) Who cares if they like it? It's not like they're the only fansite allowed to have a radio station.

We have as much variety of people as they do, numbers of them don't count.
The way we're planing this, there will be different types of music from each DJ.

Thing is, I don't want it to be that each DJ will only limit their music to only one or two genres. If every DJ had at least a little bit of something from most genres, then that would be fine. For instance, I wouldn't want to listen to psychedelic rock for an hour straight, unless of course it's a theme day.

Yeah, like I wasn't really for the idea of assigning people "metal, pop, rock" etc...
They would play whatever they want, as long as it doesn't get insipid.

Yeah, I didn't like that idea either. But if you're referring to the list, I dunno how to put it, but uhh... it was only to get an idea of what type of music each DJ is into. It wasn't meant to assign people to a genre. So, I completely agree with ya, each DJ can play whatever they want, as long as there is some variety and the music is tasteful.

Yeah, getting examples from their playlist according to genres they have. Then we can figure it out.

Just take the whole playlist or library, and keep a copy up next to the radio so that people can take requests. :]

After we figure out the playlist, though.

Yeah good call. Requests would definitely be a better hit.
Shoutouts too!

My list for example has everything from Elvis to Disturbed to DMX.

You really think you can make radio 24/7 with the requests from sals? Little math: 24*7*5=840. That is (about) the number of songs you would need for a week if you play music half the time, and fill the other half with 'banter'. Seen as how much trouble an hour of SC takes to make and how many people actually like it, it's a bloody waste of time/money/effort.

2nd thing you might want to consider: Music is a pretty personal thing, you would cater to a small number of people not likely to have the same taste in music.

3rd thing: Where the hell are you going to get the number of people needed to keep this running 24/7 for an extended period of time? Not likely from the active forum members here.

Volunteers are the worst possible people to have running a radio. The one thing volunteers are best known for is to depart at the time things get sticky. I'm going to give one tiny example which will happen, without a doubt, in the first week: Oh yeah rite, I should have filled those two hours on saturday. Just, my home work had to be done, couldn't make it. Oh, can't do it this afternoon either, mum is making me do shopping.

A large variety of people? Recipe for disaster was a quest, not a radio station. You really think you will get people to listen to different kinds of music within a certain time-frame? Say, one hour of rap, followed by one hour of heavy metal, followed by one hour of country? Not very likely. Going to mix various music styles within one hour? Again it was a quest...

Actualy I have to agree, I can't sign up to this till I know what my timetable for next year is gonig to be. If I do art A level it could change my freetime alot. On the other hand I'd have a laptop so I could be on it more


Has anyone thought of sharing the radio with another site like tip it or hq?

We could have standby DJ's. We would need a few radio managers though.

I'm imagining the Salcast forum would become a radio forum, with more mods for it. Maybe Topdog, me, Kingy, Easl, and Fatalysm?

You think me and you will ever become mods The other 3 I can see

I dunno, it seems like we 5 are the ones propelling the idea forward.

I suppose but I don't think we need more mods when we could just have a head of the radio or something.