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Eval Riz
:: A Skill Log Suggestion: Length of Post ::


Hello!
My name is Eval Riz. Chances are most of you don't know me, but maybe you've seen me around. I've grown to love my skill log, which is likely the place you've seen my name, or the place you know me from. wub.gif

As far as the Skill Logs forum goes, I think it has flourished. Everyone on Sals knows about Skill Logs, and the majority of folks have one. It's a wonderful way to express and demonstrate your goals and get to know other players.
In any case...

I do have a concern about the skill logs section. It's quite the serious concern. All our lives may be at risk. It's a feeble concern, but it's a concern that I think must be addressed, nonetheless. This issue is The Length of Post


Problem
Some players (Yes, Including me), have been constantly updating everything they do in Runescape. Runescape is such a vast game, and this content adds up quickly. As time goes along, the log grows, and more information is stuffed into that one post.

Eventually, the forum will give you a depressing message: "Your post is too long".

My log has been alive for only a few months, and I've already received this. Maybe I am a packrat, but whatever. The problem is the limited length of posts. This limit is reasonable, but there should be a more fair and doable solution for the skill log section.


Possible Solutions
Although one solution may not be perfect, these are the options. One way or another.

  • Increase Posting Limit
  • Approve Double Posting at the beginning of logs.


In order for our logs to grow, we need a solution to this. Please share your opinions, and help save the world.


Yours Truly,
~Eval_Riz aware.gif
Real
I've had a couple of logs now, and I've changed the way I do them just to avoid them.
It would be a great help at least to me, if we could have an increased post limit.
Scrum
Fair enough, I've had my Skill Log for the region of about 9 months? Well I might have had that message once, but that's due to the constant reshuffling I do in it slanty.gif

I hope this gets looked at, because it would come in handy thumbs.gif
Arianna
I have no clue whether the post length is hard-coded into the forums or if it is changeable - in the former case, as it has happened with a few guides (ohi Yuan and Neo), double posting is usually fine (or overlooked).

The point is that it would be rather difficult for one to double post, as his original post should have to be long enough to reach the limit in the first place - which happens very, very rarely in skill logs, and double posts made within X minutes from one another are usually merged.

A more practical solution would be reserving a post somewhere down the line to act as an "archive" and to be linked to from the opening post.
Mano
QUOTE (Arianna @ Jul 28 2009, 12:57 PM) *
A more practical solution would be reserving a post somewhere down the line to act as an "archive" and to be linked to from the opening post.


What about deleting posts between? Not optimal sure, but if they're close enough.. =S
Arianna
QUOTE (Mano @ Jul 28 2009, 01:59 PM) *
QUOTE (Arianna @ Jul 28 2009, 12:57 PM) *
A more practical solution would be reserving a post somewhere down the line to act as an "archive" and to be linked to from the opening post.


What about deleting posts between? Not optimal sure, but if they're close enough.. =S

Usually a thread has been around for months before hitting the limit (unless it's a repost), so I wouldn't think of it as a practicable solution. pfft.gif
Mano
QUOTE (Arianna @ Jul 28 2009, 01:11 PM) *
QUOTE (Mano @ Jul 28 2009, 01:59 PM) *
QUOTE (Arianna @ Jul 28 2009, 12:57 PM) *
A more practical solution would be reserving a post somewhere down the line to act as an "archive" and to be linked to from the opening post.


What about deleting posts between? Not optimal sure, but if they're close enough.. =S

Usually a thread has been around for months before hitting the limit (unless it's a repost), so I wouldn't think of it as a practicable solution. pfft.gif


I mean, delete posts between the Topic Starter's first and second posts.
Arianna
QUOTE (Mano @ Jul 28 2009, 05:38 PM) *
QUOTE (Arianna @ Jul 28 2009, 01:11 PM) *
QUOTE (Mano @ Jul 28 2009, 01:59 PM) *
QUOTE (Arianna @ Jul 28 2009, 12:57 PM) *
A more practical solution would be reserving a post somewhere down the line to act as an "archive" and to be linked to from the opening post.


What about deleting posts between? Not optimal sure, but if they're close enough.. =S

Usually a thread has been around for months before hitting the limit (unless it's a repost), so I wouldn't think of it as a practicable solution. pfft.gif


I mean, delete posts between the Topic Starter's first and second posts.

That's basically what I said - it wouldn't be a decent thing to delete hundreds of posts. tongue.gif

EDIT at below: oic, that'd be feasible.
Mano
QUOTE (Arianna @ Jul 28 2009, 05:03 PM) *
QUOTE (Mano @ Jul 28 2009, 05:38 PM) *
QUOTE (Arianna @ Jul 28 2009, 01:11 PM) *
QUOTE (Mano @ Jul 28 2009, 01:59 PM) *
QUOTE (Arianna @ Jul 28 2009, 12:57 PM) *
A more practical solution would be reserving a post somewhere down the line to act as an "archive" and to be linked to from the opening post.


What about deleting posts between? Not optimal sure, but if they're close enough.. =S

Usually a thread has been around for months before hitting the limit (unless it's a repost), so I wouldn't think of it as a practicable solution. pfft.gif


I mean, delete posts between the Topic Starter's first and second posts.

That's basically what I said - it wouldn't be a decent thing to delete hundreds of posts. tongue.gif


Generally it would be like this.

Topic starter; the main post.
Random guy; omg first post.
Nother random guy; omg u beat me to first post lolol.
Topic starter:ty for your surpport m8s.

Or maybe not quite. :3

I'm saying delete the two middle posts, and have the topic starter edit the 4th. Generally, the topic starter posts roughly twice per 5 posts at the start, unless if it's a ranked person. :x

Very rare for the person not to reply to their own log for hundreds of posts.
Hawk
And if someone had a large amount of posts between his own posts, Mods can merge posts and choose which post's author and time to keep. (It was done in this topic to save all the replies; I was the OP and Desireful's post was merged.)
Mohorak
I support this- I just made my own skill log and it's not filled up yet, but I like to post a lot of pictures, so it may very well be quite soon.
StormerTk
I greatly support this suggestion. But I would think people would prefer an extended post length than the privilege to double post after the first, as, well personally, it looks not very neat due to the break in between of the original post and the content of the second post.

Skill logs are much more than just level ups. Over time, people get better at BB code knowledge and, making your log look "strong" and neat is the common outcome of many skill logs as the months go by. I'm actually one of those people who have had this problem recently. I saved my log in Rich Editor [as always] and I got the message "your post was too long!" and a log full of haywire coding. So, I had to save it in Standard editor. Apparently, having code errors and saving it in standard editor can increase the risk of a skill log glitch [so I heard]. That is another problem. Both the post limit and log glitch are the most common problems among skill logs.

Could they possibly double the post length that they have now? aware.gif
Kemosabe
I have to say, I don't support. pfft.gif
Having your skill log long enough to the point where it says it's too long is makes it highly unlikely that someone is going to read through the whole post, and that's why you don't need it that long. There is nothing wrong with deleting a few lines of text or a few images.
StormerTk
QUOTE (Kemosabe @ Jul 29 2009, 06:02 PM) *
I have to say, I don't support. pfft.gif
Having your skill log long enough to the point where it says it's too long is makes it highly unlikely that someone is going to read through the whole post, and that's why you don't need it that long. There is nothing wrong with deleting a few lines of text or a few images.

But, if you have complicated BB codes, deleting a few lines will make you have to do a little bit of work.
Kemosabe
QUOTE (Stormer @ Jul 29 2009, 08:29 PM) *
QUOTE (Kemosabe @ Jul 29 2009, 06:02 PM) *
I have to say, I don't support. pfft.gif
Having your skill log long enough to the point where it says it's too long is makes it highly unlikely that someone is going to read through the whole post, and that's why you don't need it that long. There is nothing wrong with deleting a few lines of text or a few images.

But, if you have complicated BB codes, deleting a few lines will make you have to do a little bit of work.

BB codes aren't really that complicating. And you don't need large amounts of images, just a few of your latest levels.
Choccy
QUOTE (Kemosabe @ Jul 29 2009, 03:38 AM) *
QUOTE (Stormer @ Jul 29 2009, 08:29 PM) *
QUOTE (Kemosabe @ Jul 29 2009, 06:02 PM) *
I have to say, I don't support. pfft.gif
Having your skill log long enough to the point where it says it's too long is makes it highly unlikely that someone is going to read through the whole post, and that's why you don't need it that long. There is nothing wrong with deleting a few lines of text or a few images.

But, if you have complicated BB codes, deleting a few lines will make you have to do a little bit of work.

BB codes aren't really that complicating. And you don't need large amounts of images, just a few of your latest levels.


Well I've had my skillog for nearly 2 years now and I've never come across this problem. My first post has gone a lot longer than yours but possibly more writing. I don't agree with Kemo as not everyone may read it but a few people who find it interesting will.

What I do now is have 2 posts, one with all the recent stuff so I don't have to scroll far down to edit, and the 2nd with my archives and other stuff.
StormerTk
QUOTE (Kemosabe @ Jul 29 2009, 06:38 PM) *
QUOTE (Stormer @ Jul 29 2009, 08:29 PM) *
QUOTE (Kemosabe @ Jul 29 2009, 06:02 PM) *
I have to say, I don't support. pfft.gif
Having your skill log long enough to the point where it says it's too long is makes it highly unlikely that someone is going to read through the whole post, and that's why you don't need it that long. There is nothing wrong with deleting a few lines of text or a few images.

But, if you have complicated BB codes, deleting a few lines will make you have to do a little bit of work.

BB codes aren't really that complicating. And you don't need large amounts of images, just a few of your latest levels.

True, they aren't. A skill log is more than just level up pictures. Most people put them in links, and they stack up over the months. Same goes for treasure trails, quests, MISC pictures etc. I'm not trying to be tight on you. tongue.gif
Kemosabe
QUOTE (Stormer @ Jul 29 2009, 08:45 PM) *
QUOTE (Kemosabe @ Jul 29 2009, 06:38 PM) *
QUOTE (Stormer @ Jul 29 2009, 08:29 PM) *
QUOTE (Kemosabe @ Jul 29 2009, 06:02 PM) *
I have to say, I don't support. pfft.gif
Having your skill log long enough to the point where it says it's too long is makes it highly unlikely that someone is going to read through the whole post, and that's why you don't need it that long. There is nothing wrong with deleting a few lines of text or a few images.

But, if you have complicated BB codes, deleting a few lines will make you have to do a little bit of work.

BB codes aren't really that complicating. And you don't need large amounts of images, just a few of your latest levels.

True, they aren't. A skill log is more than just level up pictures. Most people put them in links, and they stack up over the months. Same goes for treasure trails, quests, MISC pictures etc. I'm not trying to be tight on you. tongue.gif

I understand. But if there are links from things achieved several weeks earlier then you (people in general) need to spend time deleting those links rather than complaining there's not enough space for them.
Goggie
QUOTE (Stormer @ Jul 29 2009, 09:45 AM) *
Most people put them in links


Why not just have a link from your 1st Post to another post? That way you can post it at any stage in the Log, and it can be a reference post, with any parts of your Log that didn't fit in. But to be honest, i've never come across this problem in Skill Logs. It just doesn't generally happen.
Reno
I never once had this problem with my log?
StormerTk
What would be the problem of simply increasing the post limit? Not in a picky manner, but rather curious. smile.gif They don't necessarily have to increase the length of a post in every forum, just the Logs.
Kemosabe
QUOTE (Stormer @ Jul 30 2009, 08:08 PM) *
What would be the problem of simply increasing the post limit? Not in a picky manner, but rather curious. smile.gif They don't necessarily have to increase the length of a post in every forum, just the Logs.

Nothing. But what's wrong with deleting a few links or images? tongue.gif
StormerTk
QUOTE (Kemosabe @ Jul 30 2009, 06:21 PM) *
QUOTE (Stormer @ Jul 30 2009, 08:08 PM) *
What would be the problem of simply increasing the post limit? Not in a picky manner, but rather curious. smile.gif They don't necessarily have to increase the length of a post in every forum, just the Logs.

Nothing. But what's wrong with deleting a few links or images? tongue.gif

Nothing that serious, just. It's less convenient, well not really. But it took awhile for my paragraph of links to grow. It's nice to go through your levels and see how much you improved as the months and years go by. That is arguably one of the best benefits of having a skill log. smile.gif
Eval Riz
QUOTE (Kemosabe @ Jul 29 2009, 03:02 AM) *
I have to say, I don't support. pfft.gif
Having your skill log long enough to the point where it says it's too long is makes it highly unlikely that someone is going to read through the whole post, and that's why you don't need it that long. There is nothing wrong with deleting a few lines of text or a few images.

Most of the length isn't length at all. It's just a number with a link to an old picture, truly archiving what you do in game.

Nothing wrong? They call it a log to track what you do. Some logs track all levels. That's some of the whole point. Archiving. Logging.

QUOTE (Kemosabe @ Jul 30 2009, 03:21 AM) *
QUOTE (Stormer @ Jul 30 2009, 08:08 PM) *
What would be the problem of simply increasing the post limit? Not in a picky manner, but rather curious. smile.gif They don't necessarily have to increase the length of a post in every forum, just the Logs.

Nothing. But what's wrong with deleting a few links or images? tongue.gif

Again, the whole point is to show everything you do. To give something to look back at. There's nothing wrong with it, it's just a shame. Then it just becomes a display of starting stats and current stats, with the recent levelups.
Kemosabe
You usually have those images saved on your computer. And do what Goggie said, create another post with an archive of links.
StormerTk
It's not just the links to past levels. I know it may seem small, but bank pictures, quests, TTs can get long over time as well. So we put all that into another post?
Kemosabe
QUOTE (Stormer @ Aug 2 2009, 02:08 PM) *
It's not just the links to past levels. I know it may seem small, but bank pictures, quests, TTs can get long over time as well. So we put all that into another post?

I suppose you keep all your latest stuff in your first post, then all the older stuff in another post.
StormerTk
QUOTE (Kemosabe @ Aug 2 2009, 12:28 PM) *
QUOTE (Stormer @ Aug 2 2009, 02:08 PM) *
It's not just the links to past levels. I know it may seem small, but bank pictures, quests, TTs can get long over time as well. So we put all that into another post?

I suppose you keep all your latest stuff in your first post, then all the older stuff in another post.

The log wouldn't look too good I suppose. Kinda bland. Why the complication anyway? You said nothing's wrong about increasing the limits. Making another post and chucking the links in there.. what harm would extending the limits in the Skill logs do to all of us? Would it not help people? Or would everyone prefer to let the unfortunate people go through the trouble of fixing up the links just because some depressing message came up?
mad max
or better yet when u format your logs u can be smart(no offensive) and put all pictures except the most recent ones like in mine or lord earth's
kugel
QUOTE (mad max @ Aug 4 2009, 07:54 PM) *
or better yet when u format your logs u can be smart(no offensive) and put all pictures except the most recent ones like in mine or lord earth's

the number of pictures as oppposed to links make no difference, as typing in image tags takes up the same amount of characters and typing url tags. The length is not determined by total file size, but by number of characters.
Eval Riz
QUOTE (kugel @ Aug 7 2009, 05:11 PM) *
QUOTE (mad max @ Aug 4 2009, 07:54 PM) *
or better yet when u format your logs u can be smart(no offensive) and put all pictures except the most recent ones like in mine or lord earth's

the number of pictures as oppposed to links make no difference, as typing in image tags takes up the same amount of characters and typing url tags. The length is not determined by total file size, but by number of characters.

Yes, # of characters. However, using URLs uses up many characters.

CODE
89 Fletching


opposed to

CODE
[url="http://photobucket.com/username/1234/folder/imagename.png]89 Fletching[/url]


All it's saying is "89" or "89 Fletching", but it's using tons of characters. Realistically, the user isn't actually "Reading" that much, most of the characters are just used in the BBCode/Documentation.
StormerTk
QUOTE (Eval Riz @ Aug 8 2009, 10:44 AM) *
QUOTE (kugel @ Aug 7 2009, 05:11 PM) *
QUOTE (mad max @ Aug 4 2009, 07:54 PM) *
or better yet when u format your logs u can be smart(no offensive) and put all pictures except the most recent ones like in mine or lord earth's

the number of pictures as oppposed to links make no difference, as typing in image tags takes up the same amount of characters and typing url tags. The length is not determined by total file size, but by number of characters.

Yes, # of characters. However, using URLs uses up many characters.

CODE
89 Fletching


opposed to

CODE
[url="http://photobucket.com/username/1234/folder/imagename.png]89 Fletching[/url]


All it's saying is "89" or "89 Fletching", but it's using tons of characters. Realistically, the user isn't actually "Reading" that much, most of the characters are just used in the BBCode/Documentation.

I don't know if this is true, but I heard that when saving your log in Rich Editor the images show up instead of the codes. What I'm saying is that, I heard sometimes when the images are visible they take up a lot of line breaks [they're considered characters] and that may lead to maximum limit. Sue me if I'm wrong.

Edit: Also, rumour that saving your log in Standard Editor may lead to a skill log glitch where the content goes haywire and the log becomes empty. I'm in preview right now and the log is empty if I save in Standard. ohmy.gif
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