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Wolf Knight
Just answer. If you want some proof here is a good website: http://www.ask.com/bar?q=Proof+Aliens+Exis...iens_exist.html

I was just wondering. I only believe in them a little, and I mean a little.


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EDIT: Do you think you might have been abducted? Click the spoiler for a list of stuff. WARNING: It is huge!!! I know some things are missing.
Spoiler: Click to Toggle the Spoiler.
1.Have had missing or lost time of any length, especially one hour or more.

2.Have been paralyzed in bed with a being in your room.

3.Have unusual scars or marks with no possible explanation on how you received them. especially if you have an emotional reaction to them. (i.e. small scoop indentation, straight line scar, scars in roof of mouth. in nose, behind or in ears, ect.

4.Have seen balls of light or flashes of light in your home or other locations

5.Have a memory of flying through the air which could not be a dream.

6.Have a "marker memory" that will not go away (i.e.: alien face, examination, needle, table, strange baby, etc.)

7.Have seen beams of light outside your home, or come into your room through a window.

8.Have had dreams of UFOs, beams of light, or alien beings.

9.Have had a UFO sighting or sightings in your life.

10.Have a cosmic awareness, an interest in ecology, environment, vegetarianism, or are very socially conscious.

11.Have a strong sense of having a mission or important task to perform, without knowing where this compulsion came from.

12.Have had unexplainable events occur in your life, and felt strangely anxious afterwards.

14.Have awoken in another place than where you went to sleep, or don't remember ever going to sleep. (i.e. upside down in bed, or in your car)

15.Have had a dream of eyes such as animal eyes (like an owl or deer), or remember seeing an animal looking in at you. Also if you have a fear of eyes.

16.Have awoken in the middle of the night startled.

17.Have strong reaction to cover of Communion or pictures of aliens. Either an aversion to or being drawn to.

18.Have inexplicably strong fears or phobias. (i.e. heights, snakes, spiders, large insects, certain sounds, bright lights, your personal security or being alone).

19.Have experienced self-esteem problem much of your life.

20.Have seen someone with you become paralyzed, motionless, or frozen in time, especially someone you sleep with.

21.Have awoken with marks, burns or bruises which appeared during the night with no explanation on how you could have possibly received them.

22.Have had someone in your life who claims to have witnessed a ship or alien near you or has witnessed you having been missing.

23.Have had, at any time, blood or an unusual stain on sheet or pillow, with no explanation of how it got there.

24.Have an interest in the subject of UFO sightings or aliens, perhaps compelled to read about it a lot, or an extreme aversion towards the subject.

25.Have been suddenly compelled to drive or walk to an out of the way or unknown area.

26.Have the feeling of being watched much of the time, especially at night.

27.Have had dreams of passing through a closed window or solid wall.

28.Have seen a strange fog or haze that should not be there.

29.Have heard strange humming or pulsing sounds, and you could not identify the source.

30.Have had unusual nose bleeds at any time in your life. Or have awoken with a nose bleed.

31.Have awoken with soreness in your a** which can not be explained.

32.Have had back or neck problems, T-3 vertebrae out often, or awoken with an unusual stiffness in any part of the body.

33.Have had chronic sinusitis or nasal problems.

34.Have had electronics around you go haywire or oddly malfunction with no explanation (such as street lights going out as you walk under them, TV's and radios affected as you move close, etc.).

35.Have seen a hooded figure in or near your home, especially next to your bed.

36.Have had frequent or sporadic ringing in your ears, especially in one ear.

37.Have an unusual fear of doctors or tend to avoid medical treatment.

38.Have insomnia or sleep disorders which are puzzling to you.

39.Have had dreams of doctors or medical procedures.

40.Have frequent or sporadic headaches, especially in the sinus, behind one eye, or in one ear.

41.Have the feeling that you are going crazy for even thinking about these sorts of things.

42.Have had paranormal or psychic experiences, including intuition.

43.Have been prone to compulsive or addictive behavior.

44.Have channeled telepathic messages from extraterrestrials.

45.Have been afraid of your closet, now or as a child.

46.Have had sexual or relationship problems (such as a mysterious "feeling" that you must not become involved in a relationship because it would interfere with "something" important you must do).

47.Have to sleep against the wall or must sleep with your bed against a wall.

48.Have a difficult time trusting other people. especially authority figures.

49.Have had dreams of destruction or catastrophe.

50.Have the feeling that you are not supposed to talk about these things, or that you should not talk about them.

51.Have tried to resolve these types of problems with little or no success.

52.Have many of these traits but can't remember anything about an abduction or alien encounter.

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bl4ck_sp4de
I'm really fascinated in this type of stuff, but the website didn't really change my views on anything. For the poll, I voted for the middle option.

I didn't get to thoroughly read through the entire thing, I just did a quick skim of the main page. I'll check the rest out later.
-REAP-
What the hell? Do you have any idea how vast the universe is? For there not to be any other life is ridiculous.
Kyo
QUOTE (-REAP- @ Aug 6 2009, 09:00 PM) *
What the hell? Do you have any idea how vast the universe is? For there not to be any other life is ridiculous.

One of my friends thinks exactly the opposite. unsure.gif

I do believe there IS life on other planets, but most likely it's just single-celled organisms, not big headed, 10-foot tall aliens that we see in movies xd.gif
Hallowed be thy Raide
I think there is an alien alliance seeking items from a long lost civilization...and will invade earth. and destroy a city in aFRICA...



I do beleive other races like ours exist in the universe
jack-nicholson
Just in terms of averages and the vastness of how big the universe is, there has to be somebody out there. As for Alien races coming down and influencing the Aztecs, Inca's or Egyptians, well, that is just ridiculous.
Vera
I like the elongated skulls part.

Have you ever seen what some ancient pre-humans looked like? Elongated skulls were rather common. Those skulls come from mutated ancient people. And I don't see how the Egyptians couldn't have built the pyramids.

Also, funny how every time there is an "alien sighting", the alien looks exactly like the kind of alien you see in a 50's movie.
SlashingUK
QUOTE (jack-nicholson @ Aug 7 2009, 07:39 AM) *
Just in terms of averages and the vastness of how big the universe is, there has to be somebody out there.

Fallacious probabilistic reasoning - just because there are six billion human beings out there doesn't mean there's another Jack Nicholson. No wait...

With a statistical sample of 1, we cannot compute the probability of life arising at all.
Dreak
QUOTE (Kyo @ Aug 7 2009, 05:31 AM) *
QUOTE (-REAP- @ Aug 6 2009, 09:00 PM) *
What the hell? Do you have any idea how vast the universe is? For there not to be any other life is ridiculous.

One of my friends thinks exactly the opposite. unsure.gif

I do believe there IS life on other planets, but most likely it's just single-celled organisms, not big headed, 10-foot tall aliens that we see in movies xd.gif

I'm thinking exactly the same. Well, more in between; i do believe there is lifeform like animals on other planets. They might not be able to survive on earth, but oh well...
I really get annoyed by those people who think those movies-aliens are real sleep.gif

QUOTE (jack-nicholson @ Aug 7 2009, 08:39 AM) *
Just in terms of averages and the vastness of how big the universe is, there has to be somebody out there. As for Alien races coming down and influencing the Aztecs, Inca's or Egyptians, well, that is just ridiculous.


amen brother
Holl
Well, we've never seen other life forms, so we don't know.
But it is true that there could be others, probably are, they're just too far away for Earth Science to reach at this point.

On Mars we've found water, so on Mars, close to us, could be life already, or has been life.
Thomas
Have you watched the most recent Indiana Jones film recently? laugh.gif

If Aliens do ever come to Earth they wouldn't use flying discs. lol.
Holl
QUOTE (Thomas @ Aug 7 2009, 01:57 PM) *
Have you watched the most recent Indiana Jones film recently? laugh.gif

If Aliens do ever come to Earth they wouldn't use flying discs. lol.

IF they would, who knows? Maybe they will come in a flying Egg or something. tongue.gif
Blyaunte
Inasmuch as the universe appears infinite and the amount of life in the universe is likely a finite number, and the division of any finite number by infinity is so small as to be rendered meaningless, then the average population of the universe is practically zero, and the likelihood that there are "aliens" is, likewise, practically zero and, therefore, nothing and no one exists, and we're nothing more than the result of someone's retarded imagination ...

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Kwinten
QUOTE (Holl @ Aug 7 2009, 12:55 PM) *
On Mars we've found water, so on Mars, close to us, could be life already, or has been life.

What makes you think aliens need water though?

What makes anyone think that life exist in the sole form we know here on earth, and that every alien organism also needs water and oxygen and the like?
Holl
QUOTE (Kwinten @ Aug 7 2009, 02:22 PM) *
QUOTE (Holl @ Aug 7 2009, 12:55 PM) *
On Mars we've found water, so on Mars, close to us, could be life already, or has been life.

What makes you think aliens need water though?

What makes anyone think that life exist in the sole form we know here on earth, and that every alien organism also needs water and oxygen and the like?

Well, if we need it, I guess they would too.
Maybe they're not 'Aliens' but just Human like us.
Wolf Knight
If you have any pictures of "alien" aircrafts go ahead and post them. Also, if you find something awsome on the website, you can post that, too.


~Wolf K band.gifstarwars.gif
Lost 3nvy
I think there might be living organisms out there...but I highly doubt there are
aliens out there just as we picture them (or just as the movies/stories make them to be)
such as big black eyes, long thin limbs, big head, small body...(E.T.??)

And them having UFOs and impressive technologies that defy science as well as kidnapping people; if they can do all that right now, then I doubt they'd be waiting for us to find them...

I'm sure that there are no aliens as we know it; there might be living organisms out
in some other galaxies which will be defined as "aliens" or even organisms that have
developed similarly to us; but I don't think there are aliens that have technologies
beyond us or supernatural powers etc...

EDIT: there wasn't a choice that fit with my opinion so I put
"Aliens?? Of course they exist!" seeing I'm basically saying there might be "aliens" in
its strict definition rather than aliens with glow in the dark skin...but I guess it'd have been
better if I put "I'm not sure" seeing I'm not really sure whether we are going to find any
living thing out there yet...but who knows? tongue.gif

Lost 3nvy
Jose0
Here are some interesting articles, on which I have based my opinion, that I think most of you will find interesting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox


Extraterrestrial life is an interesting, yet complicated, subject. Our universe is perfectly able to "create" and bear life (we are the living proof of this) that can later evolve and become intelligent. However, the statistic improbability of intelligent life is extremely high, and there might perfectly be only ONE civilization in the universe, which would clearly be us (since we exist, this is called the anthropic argument), meaning we're either the first intelligent beings or the only.
I think that, following the drake equation and then the fermi paradox, there is quite possibly a small quantity of intelligent civilizations (around or below ten) in our galaxy, but then follows the fermi paradox, which states that if there were as many civilizations in the universe, we should already have made contact.
There are a few explanations to this paradox: we could perfectly be the only civilization in the galaxy, or intelligent civilizations only have a small "window" during which they can contact other people (as they have discovered radio-astronomy) but their technological advancement means that they can - and will - auto-destroy themselves, thus shortening the window they had.

I think, on a personal level, that it's possible to make contact with a civilization right now (some of you guys may be interested in the realistic - it is, as it is written by a scientist to illustrate what making contact with aliens may actually be like - science fiction novel Contact, by Carl Sagan) but meeting them, seeing the distance they're quite probably at, would be pretty much impossible during our lifetime.

This is also a warning to how advanced civilizations might have a propensity to auto-destroy themselves, something that we've been rather close to here on Earth.
Randomness
QUOTE (Jose0 @ Aug 7 2009, 02:52 PM) *
Here are some interesting articles, on which I have based my opinion, that I think most of you will find interesting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drake_equation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox


Extraterrestrial life is an interesting, yet complicated, subject. Our universe is perfectly able to "create" and bear life (we are the living proof of this) that can later evolve and become intelligent. However, the statistic improbability of intelligent life is extremely high, and there might perfectly be only ONE civilization in the universe, which would clearly be us (since we exist, this is called the anthropic argument), meaning we're either the first intelligent beings or the only.
I think that, following the drake equation and then the fermi paradox, there is quite possibly a small quantity of intelligent civilizations (around or below ten) in our galaxy, but then follows the fermi paradox, which states that if there were as many civilizations in the universe, we should already have made contact.
There are a few explanations to this paradox: we could perfectly be the only civilization in the galaxy, or intelligent civilizations only have a small "window" during which they can contact other people (as they have discovered radio-astronomy) but their technological advancement means that they can - and will - auto-destroy themselves, thus shortening the window they had.

I think, on a personal level, that it's possible to make contact with a civilization right now (some of you guys may be interested in the realistic - it is, as it is written by a scientist to illustrate what making contact with aliens may actually be like - science fiction novel Contact, by Carl Sagan) but meeting them, seeing the distance they're quite probably at, would be pretty much impossible during our lifetime.

This is also a warning to how advanced civilizations might have a propensity to auto-destroy themselves, something that we've been rather close to here on Earth.

Very nice finds, information, and points smile.gif
When it comes to sightings of UFO's and other things like that, I am probably one of the biggest skeptics there are. tongue.gif
Fuzzy pictures/videos of UFO's are not good enough proof, instead, we need true physical evidence that extraterrestrial beings have visited Earth.

QUOTE
Extraterrestrial life is an interesting, yet complicated, subject. Our universe is perfectly able to "create" and bear life (we are the living proof of this) that can later evolve and become intelligent. However, the statistic improbability of intelligent life is extremely high, and there might perfectly be only ONE civilization in the universe, which would clearly be us (since we exist, this is called the anthropic argument), meaning we're either the first intelligent beings or the only.

Life, most likely exists in other places than here, due to simple probability (as stated), but the real questions are, is it intelligent, if it is intelligent, is it capable of space travel? The Drake Equation is a decent way of giving probability to if there is life/intelligent life out there, and the Fermi Paradox is pretty much saying "Hey, why haven't we found any decent proof of intelligent life out there yet, and why haven't we found any radio transmissions from such civilizations yet if they do exist?"

A possible answer to the Fermi Paradox is the percentage of civilizations that have destroyed themselves (BOOM), and just because there is a 1 in n possibility of life existing/being intelligent, that doesn't mean it will exactly be like that, due to the enormous number of variables involved.

This is my insight on such things, but for now, watching Star Trek is good enough tongue.gif
-REAP-
Sheesh guys, most of you are thinking that humans are the most advanced things ever.
That's bs
And what if planets like earth are just tiny specks of dirt to other species? Not everything's just like humans slanty.gif
Doddsy
QUOTE (Vera @ Aug 7 2009, 06:50 AM) *
I like the elongated skulls part.

Have you ever seen what some ancient pre-humans looked like? Elongated skulls were rather common. Those skulls come from mutated ancient people. And I don't see how the Egyptians couldn't have built the pyramids.

Also, funny how every time there is an "alien sighting", the alien looks exactly like the kind of alien you see in a 50's movie.

Or you can stretch them quite easily. If you bind a child's head continuously until they grow old you can easily shape the soft bone.

I believe that aliens exist, it's just something that I believe by the sheer vastness of the Universe.

Them coming down to help us is a no no. These sites keep calling them privitive and stuff which is really wrong. If you look at the archeological studies they have pretty much woked out how they were constructed.
Jose0
QUOTE (-REAP- @ Aug 7 2009, 02:49 PM) *
Sheesh guys, most of you are thinking that humans are the most advanced things ever.
That's bs
And what if planets like earth are just tiny specks of dirt to other species? Not everything's just like humans slanty.gif

Because we're the most advanced beings we know of so far. We're the only evidence of inteligent beings, so we're the only thing we can base our arguments on.

BTW, woah Random, you know your stuff too tongue.gif
Jethraw
I find it hard to believe that in the *whoknowshowmany* stars and planets out there, that we are the one planet that struck off lucky with ideal conditions to harbour life. So for my opinion on this I say "aliens" do exist.
Albeit, I do not think that life necesserily has to meet our conditions to be harboured; only life as we know it.

It's plausible that evolution and life has been sustained on another planet or star howevermany miles away, however, due to the conditions being different to our own, it is also plausible that seeing as it is not "life as we know it", it could result in "alien mutations", meaning different molecular structures, different everything. So to draw an alien, could be anything, for all we know there could be another race of humans out there. But there could also be a race of dominant creatures with 17 legs, 8 hands with 2 and a half fingers on each, 14 eyes and 17 hearts.
Who knows?

But yes, I firmly believe life does exist elsewhere smile.gif
I also believe that it is a mistake to be looking for other lifestyles, as, if there's one thing we as a race have learned, it is that when "worlds collide" (different religions, cultures, skin colours), difference breeds war. And we may not be the most dominant breed in the intergalactic race.
Fencefry
I think that Aliens could easily exist, but I doubt they've visited earth, or look anything like we expect.
QUOTE
If they had brains big enough to fit into these skulls they could obviously find ways to fly in aircraft or spacecraft no doubt.

And since when does a big skull make you smarter?
Zon70
I'm actually quite a big believer in the ancient astronauts theory, so I believe we have already been visited by alien species very long ago. And there also have been quite a few cases were governments have not been able to say what a UFO was or what caused some certain incidents.
iToast
QUOTE (Zon70 @ Aug 7 2009, 10:28 PM) *
I'm actually quite a big believer in the ancient astronauts theory, so I believe we have already been visited by alien species very long ago. And there also have been quite a few cases were governments have not been able to say what a UFO was or what caused some certain incidents.

But you make an assumption that because we don't know exactly what they were, they must be alien life. You have no evidence for that at all beyond a supposed theory, which is not in itself evidence.
Jose0
QUOTE (Zon70 @ Aug 7 2009, 03:28 PM) *
I'm actually quite a big believer in the ancient astronauts theory, so I believe we have already been visited by alien species very long ago. And there also have been quite a few cases were governments have not been able to say what a UFO was or what caused some certain incidents.

You're not serious, are you?
Doddsy
QUOTE (Zon70 @ Aug 7 2009, 10:28 PM) *
I'm actually quite a big believer in the ancient astronauts theory, so I believe we have already been visited by alien species very long ago. And there also have been quite a few cases were governments have not been able to say what a UFO was or what caused some certain incidents.

You read Chariot of the Gods haven't you. Which might I add is a fantastic book. I mean, for one man to make so many mistakes when looking at the evidence is fantastic. 'THE PYRAMIDS WERE BUILT BY ALIENS BECAUSE THERE PRIMITIVE PEOPLE COULD NEVER HAVE BUILT THIS!!!' when the real archeologists spent decades piecing together the evidence that they have found and worked out almost exact models of how they did it, and they actually make sense.

A lot of the times the government haven't said wether it was an UFO or not was for government security. When the Roswell incident the government denied everything and stayed very quiet. People start making accusations of Alien cover ups. The truth was more simple. A secret US spy device, explodes and hideously defigures the pilot (giving the appearence of a charred alien) and the government don't want the opposition to know of their devices and plans. It is also why UFO sightings were ridiculously high during the Cold War. The Soviets were sending spy devices to the US and the US were flying stuff back. You are not going to admit what they can see is a spy plane. Why would you want to?
-REAP-
QUOTE (MagedYew @ Aug 7 2009, 02:23 PM) *
I find it hard to believe that in the *whoknowshowmany* stars and planets out there, that we are the one planet that struck off lucky with ideal conditions to harbour life. So for my opinion on this I say "aliens" do exist.
Albeit, I do not think that life necesserily has to meet our conditions to be harboured; only life as we know it.

It's plausible that evolution and life has been sustained on another planet or star howevermany miles away, however, due to the conditions being different to our own, it is also plausible that seeing as it is not "life as we know it", it could result in "alien mutations", meaning different molecular structures, different everything. So to draw an alien, could be anything, for all we know there could be another race of humans out there. But there could also be a race of dominant creatures with 17 legs, 8 hands with 2 and a half fingers on each, 14 eyes and 17 hearts.
Who knows?

But yes, I firmly believe life does exist elsewhere smile.gif
I also believe that it is a mistake to be looking for other lifestyles, as, if there's one thing we as a race have learned, it is that when "worlds collide" (different religions, cultures, skin colours), difference breeds war. And we may not be the most dominant breed in the intergalactic race.


You maked my thoughts into words
Caboose
It's something i quite like researching actually. I think, or rather hope that there's life out there somewhere. The thought that we're all alone is rather depressing for me. One day we will obviously become extinct, and if there's nobody else then what would happen? There's no point to anything really. If a tree falls in the woods without anybody to hear it does it make a sound? See were i'm heading with this?

Although on the flip side, people say that the universe is so vast that there has to be life somewhere. Well there is. Here.
Zon70
QUOTE (Doddsy @ Aug 7 2009, 03:40 PM) *
A lot of the times the government haven't said wether it was an UFO or not was for government security. When the Roswell incident the government denied everything and stayed very quiet. People start making accusations of Alien cover ups. The truth was more simple. A secret US spy device, explodes and hideously defigures the pilot (giving the appearence of a charred alien) and the government don't want the opposition to know of their devices and plans. It is also why UFO sightings were ridiculously high during the Cold War. The Soviets were sending spy devices to the US and the US were flying stuff back. You are not going to admit what they can see is a spy plane. Why would you want to?

Except the Cold War has been over for decade(s) what is the point in keep hiding the information? And their are many cases and unfortunately I can't remember their names, but I remember quite a few remarkable cases happening in Brazil and some Canadian province.
Jose0
Still... There's no evidence for them whatsoever, and the most probable explanation for those sightings is that their brain played a joke on them, and they are now deluded... That's what every thinking and reasoning scientist believes anyway.
Lord Earth
"Even if life was possible 1 out of 1 billion planets, there would still be many places where life thrives" - Doubting Dave, Mystery Hunters.

I also believe in other intelligent life. smile.gif
Doddsy
QUOTE (Zon70 @ Aug 7 2009, 09:57 PM) *
QUOTE (Doddsy @ Aug 7 2009, 03:40 PM) *
A lot of the times the government haven't said wether it was an UFO or not was for government security. When the Roswell incident the government denied everything and stayed very quiet. People start making accusations of Alien cover ups. The truth was more simple. A secret US spy device, explodes and hideously defigures the pilot (giving the appearence of a charred alien) and the government don't want the opposition to know of their devices and plans. It is also why UFO sightings were ridiculously high during the Cold War. The Soviets were sending spy devices to the US and the US were flying stuff back. You are not going to admit what they can see is a spy plane. Why would you want to?

Except the Cold War has been over for decade(s) what is the point in keep hiding the information? And their are many cases and unfortunately I can't remember their names, but I remember quite a few remarkable cases happening in Brazil and some Canadian province.

Because there is a 50 year (could be more) guaranteed secrecy so the stuff won't come out until it has too.

Brazil, Canada or any other country in the world to be honest can have almost every UFO explained. Those that can't are either down to a weather phenomonum, a secret vehicle or it can't be explained, yet.

Which is where the difference between people is. Some will try and explain that as aliens. Otherwise will try to find an actual answer.
Jose0
Ah, I think it's not a wise, scientific enough posture (because on these matters it's often the only reasonable posture), to believe without evidence. I just think, and know in fact, that there is some probability of intelligent life elsewhere. But can I say I believe there is? Nope, I can't.
Randomness
QUOTE (Jose0 @ Aug 7 2009, 04:14 PM) *
QUOTE (-REAP- @ Aug 7 2009, 02:49 PM) *
Sheesh guys, most of you are thinking that humans are the most advanced things ever.
That's bs
And what if planets like earth are just tiny specks of dirt to other species? Not everything's just like humans slanty.gif

Because we're the most advanced beings we know of so far. We're the only evidence of inteligent beings, so we're the only thing we can base our arguments on.

BTW, woah Random, you know your stuff too tongue.gif

I guess that's what I get from being subscribed to 4 science magazines (Scientific American, Popular Science, Discovery, and National Geographic) tongue.gif
And -REAP-, I completely agree with you, humans probably are not the most advanced civilization there is, and we cannot consider ourselves the most advanced civilization there is with only 1 example of a relatively advanced civilization. There is a good chance that we'll come in contact ( Yay, SETI tongue.gif ) with another civilization or at least discover one within the next 10-40 years, by the way technology is advancing. Also, for those that do believe that aliens have contacted us before, we need valid evidence to make it a fact, not just some fuzzy pictures/videos, we need to have physical evidence for such a thing, bring us E.T., bring us to the mothership tongue.gif
Wolf Knight
Please stop talking about E.T. I want this thing to be serious.


~Wolf K band.gifstarwars.gif

P.S. Check my first post again. I added.
Toad
QUOTE (Wolf Knight @ Aug 7 2009, 02:53 AM) *
3.Have unusual scars or marks with no possible explanation on how you received them. especially if you have an emotional reaction to them. (i.e. small scoop indentation, straight line scar, scars in roof of mouth. in nose, behind or in ears, ect.

I call it being drunk.
Jose0
QUOTE (Randomness @ Aug 8 2009, 09:41 AM) *
QUOTE (Jose0 @ Aug 7 2009, 04:14 PM) *
QUOTE (-REAP- @ Aug 7 2009, 02:49 PM) *
Sheesh guys, most of you are thinking that humans are the most advanced things ever.
That's bs
And what if planets like earth are just tiny specks of dirt to other species? Not everything's just like humans slanty.gif

Because we're the most advanced beings we know of so far. We're the only evidence of inteligent beings, so we're the only thing we can base our arguments on.

BTW, woah Random, you know your stuff too tongue.gif

I guess that's what I get from being subscribed to 4 science magazines (Scientific American, Popular Science, Discovery, and National Geographic) tongue.gif
And -REAP-, I completely agree with you, humans probably are not the most advanced civilization there is, and we cannot consider ourselves the most advanced civilization there is with only 1 example of a relatively advanced civilization. There is a good chance that we'll come in contact ( Yay, SETI tongue.gif ) with another civilization or at least discover one within the next 10-40 years, by the way technology is advancing. Also, for those that do believe that aliens have contacted us before, we need valid evidence to make it a fact, not just some fuzzy pictures/videos, we need to have physical evidence for such a thing, bring us E.T., bring us to the mothership tongue.gif

Again, if we manage to live through these years... People tend not to realize what the threat that thousands of nuclear warheads on Earth means.
And, I would like to think that we are not the most advanced, and that, in Carl Sagan's words, if we made contact, this more advanced species would hand us a copy of "Encyclopedia Galactica" with loads of stuff we didn't have a clue about... But, there is not much evidence for that, and we can't say it's too probable either (if there were immensely advanced civilizations, shouldn't we have met them yet? Aha! Fermi paradox!)

BTW, Random, I suggest you a novel... Contact by Carl Sagan (at least look it up in the internet to see what it's about, it's a masterpiece and has a lot of stuff on SETI).
mr blaster
49.Have had dreams of destruction or catastrophe.

thats normal, right? aware.gif

the mon
the universe is so big I think it would be impossible for aliens not to exist. They don't even have to be super-advanced and abduct humans. Even simple bacteria found on another planet would be alien.
Mr Grieves
This will tell you everything you need to know [some naughty language].
Daaru23
QUOTE (Kwinten @ Aug 7 2009, 08:22 AM) *
QUOTE (Holl @ Aug 7 2009, 12:55 PM) *
On Mars we've found water, so on Mars, close to us, could be life already, or has been life.

What makes you think aliens need water though?

What makes anyone think that life exist in the sole form we know here on earth, and that every alien organism also needs water and oxygen and the like?

This is a very good arguement which can be based on archaebacteria (not sure thats spelled right). These were the first bacteria that ever lived on earth, and they could survive extreme conditions such as heat, cold, acidic levels, ect. They were later suceeded by the common kingdom of bacteria today and later evolved into all the organisms that live today. Lets say that on an alien planet the conditions of early earth lasted forever and they had to adapt in the extreme conditions that they started in. This could produce a species that did not need any respiratory cells and very little nurishment.
soxking
I find it very hard to believe that in our vast universe that we are alone. Now, will we ever meet out fellow life forms? Maybe not, but I just don't see how their can't be anyone else out here.


As far as 'Alien sightings' go, however, I think those are baloney.
Topdog
QUOTE (Curious Pasta @ Aug 9 2009, 12:10 AM) *
the universe is so big I think it would be impossible for aliens not to exist. They don't even have to be super-advanced and abduct humans. Even simple bacteria found on another planet would be alien.

I was watching this one video in science class, and they mentioned how in Antarctica bacteria was found in a rock that was traced from Mars. ohmy.gif

I think that with the universe so large, we can't be the only forms of life around. It's just highly unlikely. There are billions of galaxies, and only so many planets that are in a habitable zone for other lifeforms to exist. In another video I saw, the late Carl Sagan performed an experiment which calculated the amount of planets that could support life, and the result was approximately 378,000,000 in each galaxy!

Here's what he used to calculate that:

N = r * Fs * Fp * Ne * Fl * Fi * Fc * L

"r" stands for the number of stars in a galaxy = 2*10^11
"Fs" is the number of suitable stars (approx. 30% are the right size and spectral class or have planets with gravitationally heated moons)
"Fp" is the number of suitable suns with planets (optimism put this as high as 90%!)
"Ne" is the number of planets in a habitability zone ASSUMING liquid water is needed for life =0.7*r.
Fl = The fraction of those Earth-like planets where life actually develops =0.2
Fi = The fraction of life sites where intelligence develops =0.5
Fc = The fraction of communicative planets (those on which electromagnetic communications technology develops) = 100%
L = The "lifetime" of communicating civilizations = 0.1 achieve "permanence".

N = 2*10^11*0.3*0.9*0.7*.2*0.5*1*0.1 = 378,000,000

I just found out that this is called Drake's Law. wink.gif
Jose0
QUOTE (Topdog @ Aug 12 2009, 10:09 PM) *
QUOTE (Curious Pasta @ Aug 9 2009, 12:10 AM) *
the universe is so big I think it would be impossible for aliens not to exist. They don't even have to be super-advanced and abduct humans. Even simple bacteria found on another planet would be alien.

I was watching this one video in science class, and they mentioned how in Antarctica bacteria was found in a rock that was traced from Mars. ohmy.gif

I think that with the universe so large, we can't be the only forms of life around. It's just highly unlikely. There are billions of galaxies, and only so many planets that are in a habitable zone for other lifeforms to exist. In another video I saw, the late Carl Sagan performed an experiment which calculated the amount of planets that could support life, and the result was approximately 378,000,000 in each galaxy!

Here's what he used to calculate that:

N = r * Fs * Fp * Ne * Fl * Fi * Fc * L

"r" stands for the number of stars in a galaxy = 2*10^11
"Fs" is the number of suitable stars (approx. 30% are the right size and spectral class or have planets with gravitationally heated moons)
"Fp" is the number of suitable suns with planets (optimism put this as high as 90%!)
"Ne" is the number of planets in a habitability zone ASSUMING liquid water is needed for life =0.7*r.
Fl = The fraction of those Earth-like planets where life actually develops =0.2
Fi = The fraction of life sites where intelligence develops =0.5
Fc = The fraction of communicative planets (those on which electromagnetic communications technology develops) = 100%
L = The "lifetime" of communicating civilizations = 0.1 achieve "permanence".

N = 2*10^11*0.3*0.9*0.7*.2*0.5*1*0.1 = 378,000,000

I just found out that this is called Drake's Law. wink.gif

I posted that in this thread before tongue.gif its the Drake Equation (not law) I also recommend you look up the Fermi paradox.
Dreak
QUOTE (Jose0 @ Aug 13 2009, 09:25 AM) *
QUOTE (Topdog @ Aug 12 2009, 10:09 PM) *
QUOTE (Curious Pasta @ Aug 9 2009, 12:10 AM) *
the universe is so big I think it would be impossible for aliens not to exist. They don't even have to be super-advanced and abduct humans. Even simple bacteria found on another planet would be alien.

I was watching this one video in science class, and they mentioned how in Antarctica bacteria was found in a rock that was traced from Mars. ohmy.gif

I think that with the universe so large, we can't be the only forms of life around. It's just highly unlikely. There are billions of galaxies, and only so many planets that are in a habitable zone for other lifeforms to exist. In another video I saw, the late Carl Sagan performed an experiment which calculated the amount of planets that could support life, and the result was approximately 378,000,000 in each galaxy!

Here's what he used to calculate that:

N = r * Fs * Fp * Ne * Fl * Fi * Fc * L

"r" stands for the number of stars in a galaxy = 2*10^11
"Fs" is the number of suitable stars (approx. 30% are the right size and spectral class or have planets with gravitationally heated moons)
"Fp" is the number of suitable suns with planets (optimism put this as high as 90%!)
"Ne" is the number of planets in a habitability zone ASSUMING liquid water is needed for life =0.7*r.
Fl = The fraction of those Earth-like planets where life actually develops =0.2
Fi = The fraction of life sites where intelligence develops =0.5
Fc = The fraction of communicative planets (those on which electromagnetic communications technology develops) = 100%
L = The "lifetime" of communicating civilizations = 0.1 achieve "permanence".

N = 2*10^11*0.3*0.9*0.7*.2*0.5*1*0.1 = 378,000,000

I just found out that this is called Drake's Law. wink.gif

I posted that in this thread before tongue.gif its the Drake Equation (not law) I also recommend you look up the Fermi paradox.


no offence, but fermi's paradox... isn't a paradox at all.. more likely, he's stupid


first of all, we've got radio signals from out of space; i just can't remember how they are called
second of all; we are also in space; but our space shuttles don't go further then the moon and our satalites not further then jupiter (if i'm not mistaken)
third of all; aliens can only see us from in space for the last... 100 years, it takes 30.000 years before someone in the center of our milkyway can see if we exist...

and so on; fermi said 'where are they'; i say: 'to far away for us(and them) to notice'



link

i'm not a scientist; but i'm quite sure that i didn't make a mistake huh.gif (except maybe in my chance calculation at the end tongue.gif)
Doddsy
QUOTE (Big Brother @ Aug 13 2009, 02:09 AM) *
QUOTE (Kwinten @ Aug 7 2009, 08:22 AM) *
QUOTE (Holl @ Aug 7 2009, 12:55 PM) *
On Mars we've found water, so on Mars, close to us, could be life already, or has been life.

What makes you think aliens need water though?

What makes anyone think that life exist in the sole form we know here on earth, and that every alien organism also needs water and oxygen and the like?

This is a very good arguement which can be based on archaebacteria (not sure thats spelled right). These were the first bacteria that ever lived on earth, and they could survive extreme conditions such as heat, cold, acidic levels, ect. They were later suceeded by the common kingdom of bacteria today and later evolved into all the organisms that live today. Lets say that on an alien planet the conditions of early earth lasted forever and they had to adapt in the extreme conditions that they started in. This could produce a species that did not need any respiratory cells and very little nurishment.

Well, xenobiology is a growing science looking at the possible alien life. And they seem to be in agreeance that life everywhere would be pretty 'similar.' DNA is the only chemical that can self replicate. Which would be neccessary for life, and there is also a movement claiming virus' are alien. If that is true then it would show a lot of evidence towards DNA and cell structure being universal.
Topdog
QUOTE (Dreak @ Aug 13 2009, 08:11 AM) *
second of all; we are also in space; but our space shuttles don't go further then the moon and our satalites not further then jupiter (if i'm not mistaken)

That doesn't mean that our remotely piloted spacecraft can't go any further. NASA's Voyager program sent two spacecraft into the outer ring of the solar system. I'm sure in time, NASA or another space agency can send spacecraft into a deeper part of Space.

QUOTE
third of all; aliens can only see us from in space for the last... 100 years, it takes 30.000 years before someone in the center of our milkyway can see if we exist...

That's good thinking. Surely with new technology such as lights aliens will be able to see that. But the light just has to travel thousands and thousands of light years just so that aliens can take notice of it. dry.gif The question is, can humanity survive in those next 30,000 years so that we can encounter extraterrestrial lifeforms for the first time?
Jose0
Well, Dreak, there are still many open possibilities. It still is somewhat of an observation, if you had incredibly advanced extraterrestrial civilizations (such as the ones most people think about), you could argue some could also have outposts somewhere.

Also, if they were too far away to be noticed, you could also say that the ones that WERE too far away (and that became extinguished or that sent their message millions - or a couple billion- years ago) sent their message, and we should be picking it up by now.


Drake equation explained by one of the most intelligent fellows ever http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlikCebQSlY&feature=fvst
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