To reply to the current dilemma of a large amount of inactive users on the High Scores, I suggest a sweep of the High Scores as such. I've compiled a list of users who haven't been active for 3 months (in the month of June 2009 and before) and who are still listed on the High Scores. Said users should be taken off the High Scores. It would do no harm really, for if they return, they can simply re-add themselves to the High Scores again. If you're wondering as to why this step should be taken, it would neaten and clean up the extreme amount of inactive users that are crammed into the High Scores. This suggestion for the act to be enacted is a response to the complaints presented concerning this matter.

List of Users on the High Scores who have not been active since two months + ago.

Simba
Jbl 619
Cs-Rks44
Bazza
speedlod
Desertjal
tartiflett
Meltman22
Sid
Another-One-Bites-The-Dust
Iwannabehero
Doom_of_gods
Minimax315
l33thomas
sk8249
Rene Skat
72eimyar72
Bongo Baggins
Golden Star
DeeKay
mrcody1365
Mere
wicked cj13
Digg1993
Lakerkobe
djrooney2
Auhdrahh
D2master12
Twbrowne
Lacesso
Darthruneis
Pyderz
Allan-Eclipser
Unreal Flux
rileycore
Kill_Man1234
Master of Pokemon
Sir Arky
Hottie For U
Tomy Hun
Balfemann
jgingrey
Honterus
popeye353
rocpete
Red Wings013
mageboy665
ikkevincent
Therrester
iPizza
Swiltch
Johncurtis1
adoflke
RJGrunner
Klein
Party Pilot
Fenworth0
Navyvett1
braindead397
B9sully
Bwauder
Ak239
Dragon_Dead4
Surfer Bandit
Xdite
mgm54
snypirette
blackplastic
pwnz
Meltman
Jamesbantam
jumbo j0e
Finitchiyoe
0000 Fred
Maugan Ra
Mynamesbob8
Cracker Dan
Wizard the Writer
Thomas the Tank
no life
Jagneb
Blademan1290
N0 fr1ends
Wolfhe
zDeXXa
Venomous
Solidsilver
baseball 203
Mtoff
Karz
Nadavb
wood_mum
Woodmun
bb42392
ShadowNinja
Tiddyn
joshrogan
-Dean
Shezza
Sticky
quack
Kamakiziekid
Ashaman29
Obsidion Guy
U G I G
Barbarian Woodcutter
Big Graam
prorat
Zachorayi
funkmstr47
Conny
83coaster
Thebenster
Zeal
Dynamo
Josiah
Obliviation
Noobdafuture
Kellicros
Shock3r
xxxfinpkxxx
Jbiu8000
Touchstone61
Frost Byte38
Kraz
Chronic
_Befuns_
Belisario93
Woodcutting God
Dr_Funk_TLL
Iamnatesdad
fryer pie
C D R Knight
Yorick
BlackGhost
pinkninja999
Cameron .S
camel
Grenade
Wizard_Musician
Force7000
Wasup
vertex
Valefor72
Winner372
- Penguin -
desz
waler43
ponkersmelly
magicplaya30
Rednik
buckeyes rock ur socks
Cameron E54
Arod
fano2007
Grantm0
jokokobean
Baller999111
kingy0489
betaboy0
phileagles0
Quak
z0mg h4xz0rz him pl0x
Bigscarface3
Neohero1972
Jodragonfire
ianmichael7
peter4life7
Wise old man
Grandeur
Ballin
The_Reaper26
Sythe
Scopes
Iron Wolf09
Bk 2lumby4uu
MVP
Ford
Spellslinger
Hamster
Metaldoom
t0maz
Justos King
VeniVidiVicious
Phily000000
26082 -banned member
Defiance
Dragonclaw
aanders5
Vengeance
Elf_Sniper11
Tman3993
-Ninja-
Vinster271
Aranathor
ISpl3rgI
amaze
Pipamonium
kill4fish
Blue Jeans30
Jam3s18
Tri-Forcist
jcg141
joeman784
Krekares
Dgkills
Alwowpal
Squidd
cooldude7484
The Cat Seller
Hawtypants
Higinia
cosmicdude2
x dun89
Ion_Blaster4
Barda283
pure1764
billywonka16
iJoe
Bmil
Elokster1
stoptht
dnd fan95
Just A No0b On A Stick
skoolya1on1
Pull Triggerz
bob 4722
falcon451
Amanda26
Zach
Gundam_Fire3
jibob3
The Supreme King
Paramore
Viperslash3
Phentos
Shining Mace
firas
Mohawkto7
Chrissey
Death Has 1
Scarred Wolf
aBBzolute
peter_144
creamers
hellfire jay
ncmswc
Carly
Dharok
Godngeneral
snickey
Wizzy
sozer
Bat Bear
Alexger
Berserk Warrior
grauer4life
Galadrim
dandan360
lonerman
Melodious_Max
weechees
jrb123456rox
Edd eX
Rasparsas
-Zealot 340-
the_xorn
Jeff Tan0
kingrune
Drebin
girl63160
ch1901
darkmantle12
Vedave
Imager
Aussiebryce4
Saligo
Dilzeyee
Recon
Fishdert
The Man From Outer Space

If I made any mistakes or errors, please correct me. And if there are any members who I may have missed, do inform me. If you have any queries to this suggestion, ask away, or you may have something to add to this suggestion. Hopefully it will be taken into consideration (least my work be a total waste of time ). Cheers.

Excelsior

Those who were ranked before (now Retired Mods) should be kept up. The only one in the list I noticed was One 8 Hundred though.

I suggest Sal create an auto-hide feature for the highscores system. If a user hasn't logged into the community in X amount of days, their RSNs are hidden from the highscores. If they login afterward, their RSNs are automatically readded. That way no one needs to manually remove inactive players and those who return don't need to readd themselves. This is something to consider while Sal updates his system for the forum update.

I agree with Blingking that ranked members should remain no matter how long they've been inactive. 1800 isn't ranked anymore though so he shouldn't be accounted for.

I thought banned members were automatically removed from the highscores.

It sounds like you just want to move up on the hi scores.

True, I'll remove One Eight Hundred.



Apparently not, 26082 is still up there.



That'd be a much simpler version of this, so if it's possible, I'm all for such a thing.



I'm fine where I am.

As far as Agent F's post, I would really like to see such a thing implemented in the next forum board version.

Perhaps suggest it to Salmoneus?

Or we could just look for a mod for something of the type when it comes out, I'm sure there will probably be something similar considering there are a number of text based RPGs that use IPB as a forum .

First off: Good work on collecting all those names! That's no simple feat. The sheer willpower shown here is rather impressive.

Second: I'm afraid I disagree. Many of the people here, whether active or not, are still part of the community and its history. I daresay Salmoneus' highscores haven't changed in ages, yet no one's suggesting his removal. Why would we remove these people? Sure, quite a few of them are probably not remembered, but just scanning the first page or so of the list I saw probably 8-10 names that I recognized. They're part of a past period in Sal's Realm history, but they're not totally gone -- once they leave the RuneScape highscore list, then their names will be forgotten. Keep 'em.

I agree with Wiltingplant. To remove members that joined, made 10 posts and disappeared is one thing. But to remove people who were once active members... That I disagree with.

'Nuff said.

~D

Which could be achieved in 2 days easily and then they could just become inactive.

I like the theory Agent F proposed that would automatically reallocate them when they log back in .

Salmoneus created the system and owns the community, so he'd stay on because is (or once was) a ranked member. He's also logged into the community within the past (X) day(s). So he'd definitely qualify under my suggestion to be stuck on the list no matter his inactivity.


You've contradicted yourself there. A user who joined, made 10 posts and disappeared was once an active member. I'd assume your definition of "active" would constitute a higher post count.

I don't think people (even banned members) are removed from the High Scores system for being inactive here, because Runescape high scores has nothing to do with Sal's activeness.

Also, how much time did it take you to write that list?!

30 posts isn't what most (anyone?) would class as active, even if all 30 were in a single day. And if these people become active again they are added again. We don't need to keep a legacy of these people on our highscores; their posts during their time, any guides they have written etc. do that. The highscores should be for the current community not one from years ago.

He's been an active member of the forum though. And you can't compare a normal member to Salmoneus (considering the difference in ranking and the fact that Salmoneus is the founder of this place).



New members come to this forum everyday and they deserve to be recognized just like the members on the high scores who are inactive right now. Keeping those inactive people up there renders new members unable to get their name in a certain spot or position to be seen and recognized.



I don't see the problem with removing said members when they can just re-add themselves later on in the future. They have every right to return from their inactivity and re-add themselves to the high scores again - it's not like anyone is stopping or preventing them from doing so. The High Scores isn't meant to be a list of inactive and gone members where they can be remembered.



Drawing in the idea of a clean up or Agent F's idea. We sure as hell can't get rid of inactivity, but we can do our best to clean it up instead of sweeping it under the couch to be left there.



In an attempt to sound as least arrogant as possible, we'll just say, 'not that long'.



Precisely what I'm supporting and trying to get at. As I said before:

'The High Scores isn't meant to be a memorabilia of inactive and long gone members where they can be remembered.'

I have to say, having a criteria of 3 months of inactivity is ridiculous. Just because someone hasn't been on in that amount of time doesn't mean they won't return to forums. I'm a prime example of that, actually.

I had a topic about high scores myself a while back, but it was more about taking out those people who only signed up on Sal's just to get on high scores, such as making 3 posts over 2 days, and never signing on again.
If you're going to waste your time looking for ppl on high scores that don't "deserve" to be on high scores, I would think that is a much better criteria. So I would have to agree more with Wiliting's implied definition of an active member and disagree with Agent F's definition of what an active member was there. 10 posts is not much of an imprint on a community to be considered ever really being an active member, but that's just my opinion.

and from your last post, your "quote" about what high scores are supposed to be:



Not to sound arrogant, but who are you to judge if that is the case or not? Looking at your profile, you've been a member of sal's 2 months longer than I have, but I have approximately 3500 more posts (EDIT:I noticed you acknowledge your activity level in the other thread) , and that's with me being inactive for the last 6 months, with none of said posts being one word posts or post count filler. I could easily just say that you haven't really been all that active overall in the community in comparison, and shouldn't be really considered part of the community, or that your opinion doesn't count for as much. The point I bring up is a completely stupid argument, but it could just be as easily made as your statement about what high scores should be.



This sentence is completely contradictory. So new members who have not done anything or been part of the community for any notable length of time should be on high scores over people who may have contributed to the forums/website, written guides, submitted images, etc, and etc, but just haven't posted in three months? I would think that if new members want to be recognized in forums, then they should be active in forums or do stuff for it. If they want to get on high scores for Sal's let them get past the ranks of the people who had or have been part of the community enough to be that high in the first place.

While I applaud your idea that the high scores should be cleaned up, (I'll post the link to my old thread), I do think that you need to rethink your proposal/arguments just a little. LIke Wilting mentioned, I probably recognized at least a good 20 names on your list, and I don't usually remember people on forums unless they really were around for a while.

Old thread in re: high scores and active members

EDIT: You should have just put this on Thomas' thread about hi-scores instead of making a brand-new thread for it.

The point here isn't the actual amount of time, just that there should be one. And I don't think it really matters if someone is removed anyway; they can put themselves on again as soon as they come back active. So overall I think all we need is some criteria for removing people.

In which case they would be readded. This has been said multiple times.

3 months was just a rough window.



But even if they do return, they can always re-add themselves to the High Scores list. There's also a possible chance that they'll be higher in the ranks after playing RuneScape in that period of inactivity from Sal's. There's nothing stopping you from re-adding yourself to the High Scores.



I'd be glad to do such a thing. But I'm still with my original criteria of 3 or more months of inactivity.



It's my own opinion and view. Last time I checked, those were allowed here, no matter what rank or post count you had.



What thread is that again?



You can contribute to the forum by being an active and well behaved member. If a new member is such (quality posts, not encouraging the breaking of rules, flaming or spamming etc), he/she shouldn't have to post up some guides, pictures, items and whatnot into the Database to be considered 'worthy' of being on the high scores over people who have done said things.



Thomas' idea was different to what I'm suggesting, and no doubt, it'd cause confusion between the two.

Of course they can come back and they'd be automatically readmitted to the listing.


How long do you wait before you decide that they only signed up just to get on the highscores system?


Wilt didn't mention active members, but said, "Whether active or not, are still part of the community".

Active members can be defined in a number of ways depending on what statistics you're looking to evaluate. I mentioned active members as those who have not logged into the community in X amount of time. For this purpose, I think 3 months or even 6 is reasonable. The number of posts shouldn't account for how active a user is. There are plenty of people who have posted an introduction topic explaining they've been around the community a while just reading. They're apart of the community, but they're just quiet members. They should be entitled to the highscores system even without posting during the period of time.

If you're not looking at post count for activity, the other thing to look at is whether they're logging in. Wilt suggested all members to be listed. I suggest active members based on X amount of time. You suggest removing those who register just to be listed without a clear idea on how you'd identify these people. "Never signing on again" is a variable. If the user signs on 8 years from now, by your suggestion they'd still be on the list. Not exactly what you meant with your suggestion, is it?

Actually, it is. They're still a part of the community, just not the up-and-coming or super-active part. Sal's is bigger than your narrow definitions of 'active' give it credit for. Besides, since a player has to add himself to the highscores, it only makes sense that they'd have to remove themselves. Leave them in, no matter how long it's been.

That was in reply to Kalipop. I am clear on your opinion.

Life and Agent F, you both took the time to respond, which I appreciate. While I can see your rationale for the suggestion better now, I still don't really agree with taking people who have truly been active in the community off.
In response to what you asked about Agent F, in terms of judging if people have signed up just for hi-scores:




When I took a look at it last year, I looked at post count, date they signed up, and last date active. You are right about how some people are silent members, since I myself popped in now and then over the last 6 months, but didn't post anything. But when you combine those 3 variables, it makes for a more compelling case of who is just signing up for hi-scores and who isn't. One tangential thought though is if you are silent, how are you being active and helpful in the community.



If it was some type of automated system, that didn't really require maintenance, then I don't think I'd have any issue with that rationale at all. But if it takes a considerable length of time for the admin taking care of that, then I wouldn't support that. If you remember our last hiscore system before this one, when DJ Gavri (I'm pretty sure it was him) was maintaining it, it was pretty time-intensive for him if I remember corrrectly, with all the requests to be added/taken off the list.

In response to a few of Life's comments,


Rank and post count don't have anything to do with much in our community, which is why I've stuck with it for so long. I wasn't saying that at all. In hindsight, it came out the wrong way and I apologize for that. What i meant was why should your idea of what hiscores are be the definitive one for the community?



thomas' thread, in which you proposed this list initially.




You are misinterpreting what I wrote. The way you make it sound is that people who HAVE done all that stuff to help the forum, but just haven't been on in a while then have less right to be on the hi-scores then some newbie with 3 posts on the forum, but hasn't bothered flaming anyone yet. I'm not saying that new people shouldn't be allowed on hiscores, but that you should not be tossing away the hi-score accomplishments of past members of the community who really were a part of it. regardless of how long they have been away from the site. We might just have to agree to disgree on that point though.

Your idea of who should be on the hi-scores in terms of members already kinda goes against what I believed what I believe reading about past philosophy on the hi-scores on Sal's. The hiscores have encompassed people from all parts of the spectrum, from members on the original site to people who were banned. What is one of the integral things about this community is that it is so inclusive. I think to start excluding people who were truly part of the community is just for the worse, not for the better, regardless of how much my ranking would go up (I've gone down 32 spots in the last 6 months from 20 to 52 =p)

As I said before, I dont' think cleaning the hiscores up is a bad idea at all, to an extent. But I do think the criteria for removal needs more work.