Well, the "new" CD was updated and the "Sal's" title was dropped. I also hear Blade gave up or something but I'm not sure. Soooooo.....I guess this is now the one and only Sal's CD. Too bad it's so inactive.

So what's the new name lol.

I think it's unForgiven Runescape Discussion now or some thing.

Here is the link
Nope, no link. That's advertising.

This forum needs a facepalm emoticon...

IDK if you caught my edit but I posted a link if you needed it.

I'm sure just "*facepalm*" is fine.

So a new site was created?

The new one is not strictly about clans, I suppose.

Funny, I predicted the new SalsCD downfall the day before it happened

I don't see the new one being successful either, unless they make the effort to expand their user-base (which they probably won't be very successful in doing). They'll probably die within the month, and they'll only get that far because I worked with some of the Administrators and Moderators there, and they are all very dedicated and intelligent.

That being said, the old Sals might or might not grow back to it's previous self. Activity has dropped, people have moved on to bigger forums, and it will take a very long time for the old Sals to gain momentum and grow back to it's old state.

It could take months or years depending if we make the effort to help it out. Bringing back some of the key Sals clans (3x, MoD, Triforce) and users (Christ0pher, Roamy) would be a step in the right direction. However, since many of the old Sals clans have died (FT, Eclipse, DoV, UBH) and many of the old clans probably won't bother themselves with Sals again (Exodus, GK), there will have to be some effort on expanding the old Sals' clan-base as well.

A metaphorical re-opening would do nicely to bring back some activity.

I agree Skythe, but my guess is that all those clans and members you suggested will go to places like RSC, Zybez, and other boards because coming back to this board would be like starting a whole new clan and I'm sure those clans would rather go to a strong, existing board than revive this one.

Why is it called Unforgiven Runescape Discussion? Sounds like a name of a clan and a name of a forum combined.

apparently, "Unforgiven" is a foruming group that deals with all MMOs

Hi

Only partially true. Sals CD was hacked to an unrecoverable state. Differences between Blade and Tim, the site owners led to the latter incorporating a wholly new Runescape Clan Discussion within an extant project, more detail of which is given on the site.

The Sals CD title has not been dropped and Blade did not give up.

UF-RSd does not have the same mandate as Sals CD, but we welcome Sals CD clans and any others interested in partaking of the benefits our forum offers. In the aftermath of the hack, it was decided that there was still a need out there for a forum that could offer fair, balanced and laissez-faire moderation to RuneScape clans. As it is an unexpected start-up, there's still some rough edges, but we hope to have those ironed out soon - the domain-name is only temporary.

I trust this is no cause for enmity with Salmoneus and its users and I hope any misunderstandings about this can now be laid to rest.

Best,

J-

PS, thanks for your confidence Skythe I trust your pessimism isn't driven by your removal as a moderator while at Sals

Unforgiven is a massive fail its honestly already dead. Theres admins logging IP's "apparently" abusing botnets and all sorts of other nerd stuff like that. In otherwords its a failed nerd drama war.

Then again i'm basing this off what i've heard in IRC i could be completely and utterly wrong.

I Don't expect many people to re-join Sals most have moved onto larger clans such as EH, NI ect who wouldn't bother with sals so i wouldn't be so optimistic about this forum regaining its popularity most of people have moved onto top 10 RSC type clans and will never be back, and to be quite frank new smaller clans are getting brutalised and analed within months of opening leaving no real chance of them suceeding enough to bring any life to these forums.

It's been open four days.

On the other hand, what you described is cyber terrorism and is classed as a federal offence, so no doubt these same people are offering their voluminous evidence to the authorities. If not, then it's fair to assume those are unsubstantiated suppositions.

But I'm not here to explain every small detail or rebut every falsity. Think it's a dead turkey if it floats your boat. I just stopped by to explain the facts. If you prefer to keep the vicious cycle of unfounded rumours flowing, that's your prerogative.

Well i wonder how many clans would come back to this..hopefully something magical happens though..

Haha, no. I feel no bias or anger towards UnForgiven or it's current staff, because you had nothing to do with my being demoted (I think ).
But while we're on that subject, I was never mad that I was demoted. I was about to retire and concede my rank anyways. The thing that angered me was that I was never given a reason as to why (my assumption is that Blade didn't want a moderator that took active strides in getting rid of the NH scum in the community, since he was in the progress of remaking Noobs Inc).

Like I said before, your staff is very talented and intelligent. You won't have nearly the same amount of problems SalsCD had IF you do manage to solidify and grow (which will hopefully be the only challenge you endure). As long as you continue to ban trouble makers and maintain your ethics and morals, you should do fine.

As an ending note, it really doesn't matter to me whether the new forums or the old forums regain activity, as I am retired, but if there is any way I can assist the old Sals or UnForgiven, contact me and I'll help to the best of my abilities.

Personaly, I don't think I'll use the new Unforgiven. I was on the fence about new CD because I didn't have all that much of a problem with the mods here but I saw what they did so I went along with it but then everyone started to complain about how it was too biased, the exact opposite of what they were complaining about here. I still went along with it at that point but with more and more drama and bs it just got bad and now this new Unforgiven thing has caused massive drama and bs and that is the last straw for me. I hope Salmoneus is laughing it up right now, because the most drama-filled part of these boards is now dead and all he had to do to get rid of it was ban Blade, he literally cleaned up his board without lifting a finger. I don't care what board my clan posts their war topics in, but as for me, I'll do what D Archer said and hang around on RSC.

Lots of big fancy words i don't understand. I Speak English, Japanese, Spanish, French and Chinese care to choose one?



Read what i posted below it. I'm not trying to attack your reputation i actually literally just collaborated a few quotes from some people and aside from yourself nobodies told me any different yet.\
I've bolded the part where i say i could be wrong if it makes you feel any better

You speak English, Japanese, Spanish, French and Chinese? ......whoa.....just whoa.....

I think we should revert back to these boards, as we originated from here..why would we start a new forum when we have thousands of clanners registered on these boards.

I didn't see this before I posted the first time, so OK. First off NOBODY liked you as a moderator, so I don't see why you're taking shots at anybody else as you were one of the worst mistakes salsCD had ever made but I guess when the community was desperate they grabbed who ever they could use to do work for them.

I never realised you were so passionate about it

Thx Skythe <3

Hence the biggest problem SalsCD would get, NOBODY would or will ever who mods will be, plus with the number of clans there (from what i've heard at least) im sure they'd be alot of names flying around.

At least here you dont really have a choice who your mod is, it's probably for the best for once.

Ive always been active in this forum. And to me its always been "sals" not sals cd. Anyways i hope 3x will post here more again, as 3x used to be based from here.

This place was active because of how the community was shaped towards smaller clans. They could promote themselves amongst people who were in similar ranked clans and not over looked like they are on rsc. There are absolutely no benefits at all for a clan to come here unless a large proportion of small clans imigrate at the same time. As stated before though, smaller clans are struggling to survive in the clan world now

I laughed.

Ill still post here. Hope it does regain how active it used to be.

Triforce and Dragonwood bailed to tip.it

Christ0pher was an exceptional user of these forums. I'm not sure if he still posts here or if he went inactive, but he was a prime example of an active, intelligent user back in the day. Whatever spat you had with him in the past doesn't detract from the unequivocal presence he had on these forums.

*facepalm*

I didn't think it would last either, which is way I didn't want to be an Administrator there or have much to do there. Plus I was planning on retiring anyways so it worked out.

I just post on the graphics forum when I can/want to. I don't really use any other parts of the forum. (Although if CD had a lot more discussion and activity, I'll start posting here.

+1 no....+9000

I looked back a few pages yesterday on this forum looking at the posts at the time the new CD was born and I saw that Chris had more sence than anyone here. I also saw your debate with him Red. Whether you want to accept it or not Chris DID win in the end and actually did prove not only you wrong, but alot of people wrong by saying that the new CD would die. Someone like that truly gets the last laugh.

Chris was a opportunitist who continually lied about his clanning background and hopped from clan to clan in search of an easy rank and easy staff to manipulate. When he didn't win you over, he flamed you. Maybe you never had the pleasure of clanning with him. When the real Mods on these forums announced they were looking into the possibility of promoting new moderators, his attitude changed dramatically and he attempted to help out when ever possibly. I’m not denying that Chris was a very intelligent individual, because I do believe he was. Was he an excellent poster when it came to discussing issues? Yes. Like I said before though, Chris was a master at manipulating, and was childish in his flames with clans that disagreed with him. Don't get me wrong, I'm no saint either. But the difference is I know I do it. Chris...remains blissfully ignorant to it.



SalsCD was a good idea in theory, and if run correctly it would have been much better than here. It however was not run correctly, and failed. Taking action is better than not doing anything, and that's why I supported the move. After a short period there, I could clearly see the forum was going to fail due problems with moderation. Here, we complained about a lack of understanding on the moderator's part about understanding how clans operate. SalsCD saw this and attempted to do the complete opposite, giving power to people that were involved in clanning and gave moderating power's to too many people. The result was over moderating and often many cases of bias. I do believe there is fine medium between the two and if used here, it would work. Anyone that knows me knows I had no love for the new SalsCD after a few weeks and knew it was going to fail.

I stand by everything I said on the thread I believe you are referring to. Clan Discussion is completely different than the rest of the forums, and you would have to be ignorant to think otherwise. This Clan discussion area will never become active as it once was. In my attempt to find the thread in which Chris and I had this "Debate", I was shocked to find just how many people here have been banned.

Edit: I just found that "Debate" topic. http://runescape.salmoneus.net/forums/inde...howtopic=277263 I read over everything I said and to this day don't disagree with what I said. Clearly a strong majority of the people that used these forums also agreed, as this place is now a ghost town.

I think one of Chris' slogans for a while was when i leave a clan it breaks soon afterwards. (or something like that) Unfortunately it tended to be true he would run into a clan give it this steroid boost with some interesting ideas and semi-decent warlording then he'd hop, flame the crap out of the clan and leave it in a slump. Not really what i consider all that great of a guy.



I Don't know what you were reading but from what i can see all Chris did was use some big words and strong speaking so his opinions would slap you in the face. Hitler did the same thing, now i won't compare Chris to Hitler Chris certainly knew what he was talking about (most of the time) and wasn't a terrible warlord/council/leader while he wasn't constantly clan hopping but from my perspective Chris was a far cry from "winning" the debate. No Redshuster and the other Pro-SalsCD people didn't "win" either but they certainly justified the move.
I've never had the joy of clanning with Christ0pher but i coincidentally tended to hang around with clans that did sorry Dager your heroes not all that.

Actually I have had the opportunity to clan with him (Last Hope), and I know his personality. I'm not arguing about you over that.

What I am saying is that he was one of the active, intelligent users that now seems to have faded away. And we need those active users here if we're ever going to make headway on revitalizing these forums (which probably won't happen).

Actually even if you had Chris, Sarah, Ahmad, Kody, Bolty and all the other somewhat mature and caring forum members back and everyone pretended nothing happened this section wouldn't ever be active again without a complete reboot of the clan world in general unfortunately the way clanning is atm, smallerish Sals clans are getting pimp slapped before they even get they're feet wet you could credit abit of that to SalsCD's downfall aswell it's just how it is.

Yeah, a lot of the old school Sals Members have retired. Mix in the countless people that were banned, there really are not that many people left who can make this section active once again. If it ever regains its former activity, it will be due to new clans.

Well, I was suprised that I found myself agreeing with alot of things you said in response to my post, Red. You are intelligent and I will respect that but what I am saying is that even if Chris did some dis-honorable things and even if the Sal's CD was a good idea on paper, it still doesn't change the fact that it blew back in our faces and he was right in the end. Don't get me wrong, Chris is far from my hero. He made some interesting posts here and there I won't go against that, but he did make the right call on this one. If he knew Blade was incompitent or just guessed that he may fail out of malice for him for making this switch I honestly can't say, never knew the man. However, either hero or villain, we can't say that he was wrong. He may have been right for the wrong reasons or otherwise, but he was right and I hate to say it but we were all digging our graves, or rather, we were digging Sal's Clan Discussion's grave. I suppose I can't blame you for being optimistic about the new forums Red, as even I have scuffled with the mods here.

Finally, I agree with basicly everyone that the only way this forum can be revived is with a migration of smaller clans. Too many people have been banned that made an impact here, either by the "bad modding" here or banned for "rebelling". At the moment Unforgiven keeps getting revamped and I can tell it's going down the drain, so I guess RSC is the place for me atm.

tons of the active posters got banned and zybez has a better clan community so i dont see this section getting more active anytime soon.

On a side note, anyone been to Tip.it recently? Im not really involved in the small clan scene anymore, but it appears they have a great community and everyone is really friendly.

I'll go check it out.

Triforce experimented with them not too far back, and I liked the community. I don't recall seeing any flaming there at all, and it was decently active. The only problem I see with Tip.It is that the moderators are slow to react, and also that there are no real rivalries to make things interesting (when I was active there at least).

They also have an interesting point-based ranking system, but it is dominated by small clans that have constant mini-wars to get fast points (i.e. Akeldama is ranked 3rd, while Crimson Raiders and Knights of Order are ranked 21st and 25th respectively).

I decided that I would grace you all with my presence on this topic. I'm not going to say anything mean to anyone or for that matter even reply to any of the above post concerning me.

Unforgiven doesn't even have a CD now. So, this means that Sal's CD is now extinct.

Welcome back lol.

Thank you Micael. It is good to see some old faces still posting here even if the community is quite dead. Like someone a page back or two said.... The old names like myself can not turn this thing around. Most of us are far retired, and the rest do not want to put the effort in and would just like to play in peace in their final days. It is going to take some new faces with big ideas and even bigger guts to turn things around. However, it can be done and probably will be done. The community is gone, but it only takes two clans to begin a new one.

Why not have both communities? One Sals community and the other community is Gamming Refuge (formally known as SalsCD).

I believe that would be better, as it would allow more clans to be involved in communities which encourage clanning and discussions.

Gamming Refuge is starting to do well for itself, as long as they think up a way of getting new clans to participate, i can see them grow well.

As for Sal CD, the only solution is to get clans to post here, invite new clans to come and old one's and if possible get some old posters back posting here again. It will revive the community again i'm sure.

Whenever I see another clan that were warring i'll let them know about here, it's always worth a try and i'll try and post fights here aswell whenever I can. I think the point here is, we should try to do something instead of just discussing it and writing it off as "un-revivable".

Mak, I get what you are saying but we have to be careful about who comes here. What made Sal's different from other CDs was the fact that we were the small clan community. If large clans come here, it will be a carbon copy of all other CDs.

In the end, something would be better then nothing. I know what your saying though, that's how i remembered old sals - it was a community that revolved around small or mid sized clans. All the big clans would hang around in Zybez, and in Sals there would be welcoming to the new clan that's starting up or the small clan that wants to finally engage in discussions and involved events.

The thing is though, at this moment of time the number of "small or mid sized" clans that are around are deteriorating. So for the old community like it was back in the day, for that to happen is very hard and unlikely.

I just think a community that closely resembles the old one and on top of that a community where active discussions/wars/posts are being made, that's what sals needs right now. Otherwise it'll stay dead and in history forever.

ps. Nothing against big clans and I don't mind them engaging in any community as they have their every rights to.

I have just one question.... was your day not instantly better when you saw that I posted?

Unfortunately it wasn't...shame.

Even though I'm not big on clans you're right. However a big problem even if you get small clans to start up here is the management, without a base many are going to go overboard with power and have their clan collapse, or their clans will simply start up in anarchy. Big Ideas, A Lot of Guts to try to make a clan, and the rare ability to both lead and manage a group.