What are your thoughts on hardcore feminism? I mean, the one that promotes not shaving armpits, making all men look evil, and affirmative action for women, i.e. a woman should get a job rather than a man just because she is a woman.
I personally think it's pretty stupid, and it has even led to some idiotic reforms on the Spanish language (if you're a native speaker, you'll know what I mean when I say la presidenta instead of la presidente and so on).

I think they're kind of sexist towards men.

I find any form of the all so famous superiority complex arrogant and pretentious, to say the least.

This was really annoying. I was sitting there when a woman got on a bus. I got up and offered her the seat, and she said no, you sexist love-child. So I sat down. Turned out she was feminist. At the next stop, another woman got on. I got up and offered her the seat, but the feminist kept pulling me back to my seat. At the next stop, a group of 5 women got on, and as I got up to offer one a seat, the feminist clawed me back and said "You sexist pig! Stop offering those women a seat!"
To which I wailed "You've made me miss 3 stops already!"

All joking aside, I don't see the difference between Girls and guys, except I lust after girls Feminism on a small scale (as in get equal oppurtinities to blokes, etc) is a good thing, but this is silly. I can see why people don't shave their armpits maybe, but why do it just to prove a point? It makes you look scabby anyway. If a woman made me look evil I would laugh at her stupidity and childishness. Is that not sexism? Women and men shouldn't get a job by gender either, it's the best candidate usually, right? Reforms on language (did you know people want Manchester to be renamed Peoplechester? Yep. Stupid) shouldn't be allowed either for any reason, it evolves as time goes on but you don't push for a word changing.

That said I'm sure there's Masculinists or something, and I'm not one of those - if anything, I'm not masculine, and both arguments are so stupid I don't see either point.

EXCUSE ME WHAT IS A GIRL?

Feminism is aimed at equal rights for women and I am all for equality. However, the point where it becomes sexism towards men defeats the object of equality. If it's prejudiced towards women then I am against it, as I am with discrimination in general.

I find it to be just as idiotic as any other form of discrimination based upon unchangeable circumstances (age, race, skin colour). Sure they don't take it as far as racism has in the post (at least I hope not ) but they're all in the same boat.

i'm pro feminism, i think they should have the same rights as men! BUT, i think the rights woman only have, should also be for men (there aren't many, but there are some (in belgium))



edit: to the point of the feminists themselve, let them do what they want, as long as they don't annoy me


and not shaving? look, nobody says they MUST shave, but it's just discusting to see a woman with a ball of hair under their arms, same for guys, but there it doesn't need to be shaven, just short

I think women should have the same rights as men,since we're all equal and we should be based on our intellect, not our gender.

However, holding a grudge over men for just being a different gender is discrimination and if they truley belived in equality, they'd stop.

It is important to consider that feminists aren't always right; especially in literature, history et cetera.

I find using work of feminist historians to be problematic in the sense that it's difficult to separate the personal opinions from the actual facts; therefore, it's often heavily biased and I attempt to stay away from using or quoting feminist works.

My views on feminism in academia is the same as any other radical perspective such as marxist et cetera, it tends to be biased and therefore, it's not always reliable.

I believe that "Feminism" in itself is a great idealism since it fights for equality amongst en and women. However, taking it to the point of becoming radical and sexist agains't men makes it, as any other extremist view, ridiculous and should not by any means be endorsed.

The "really strong kind" isn't really feminism. It's what it's been warped to be by an incredibly incredibly loud minority. The fact that these people manage to get lots of media coverage and there are lots of bitter men don't help either.

I especially get pissed off when girly women get told that they're "setting back" feminism. Anyone should be able to be anything they want.
(The ones who are setting back feminism or giving it a bad name are the STUPID ones, not the girly ones. The stupid ones come in all flavors, just like stupid men.)

Equality is something I don't quite believe in. Not among men and women necessarily, but among individuals. Each individual is inherently different.

Everybody should have equal rights under the law unless they do something that strips them of those rights.

I am pro Feminism, not because it favors me in any way, I just think women are superior to men in a sense. What I mean is that men are very aggressive, hard headed, often a bit foolish and very unsympathetic. It's the mother who cares normally most for the child, who mothers and cares for it, it's women which make some good in man, such as love.

I'm all for Harriot Harman when she said if there was less men in government, there would be less wars, and if there where more women on the banking boards the financial crisis would have been avoided because they are not group thinkers. At the same time I do think men hide their potential, they are more lazy and have less of a purpose in life in things such as fatherhood. Anyway, my opinion is completely bias, however, I've seen both sides pretty clearly. Saying all this, men do have some advantages over women, some unfair, some fair, I think this is ok in some ways. We shouldn't try to tailor our behavior to impress other people I think.

That was more sexist than anything I've ever heard a male person say.

I'm trying to find a hint of sarcasm in your post but I just can't. WHAT THE fudge, LADY.

I think that anyone who favors one gender over the other in the sociopolitical realm is pretty silly myself.

Then again, it's all about Danica! anyway...

Hah, I'm not really saying that women are better than men, but I'm saying I agree with feminism in the sense that women are much more efficient, caring and loving. Men have their qualities too, such as strength, team work etc...

it's the same cameldung as the opposite
and i respect it about as much
which is not much

anyone who feels superior needs a kick in the backside and a shove down
feminist, male chauvinist, racist whatever

Women have their negative points too. And since when is every man in the world aggressive hard headed and aggressive? Asides from that, even if this were all true, I fail to see how that makes us inferior. I fail to see how anyone can be born inferior.



I'm sure you know what homosexuality is.



What are you basing this on? And it's pretty easy for her to say that, don't you think?


About your last post, I struggle how we could be good at teamwork but not good group thinkers

And black men are much more thuggish.

Lily Nicole is a feminist terrorist does that count.
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And sexism is bad whether it be against man or woman but then again Femdom porn can be good
Yes Sexism is bad now go make me a sandwich woman!


And too all the people stereotyping men in here please look to another thread here called Vocal Minorities and know that most men aren't how they're portrayed on Home Improvement


EDIT: You c wut i did thar.

I said women are superior to men in a sense, this means that in one way they have better qualities than man, I did not say that men are inferior and I definitely said nothing about being born inferior. Men tend to be more aggressive and hardheaded, they have 9 times more testosterone then women. And of course women have their negative points, I don't deny that, I'm just saying that feminism has some standing ground, especially in a male dominated world.



Fair point, but homosexuals are much more feminine than the average man.



I'm basing this on studies I've read, I can't find the online version atm, but here is something similar here. Perhaps, but it makes you wonder why there are so many pointless wars, one theory is the lack of women in power, but obviously it is only a theory because most governments are full of men.


huh? I said women are not group thinkers, what that basically means is that they have more individual opinions and are influenced less by people, it means that ruthless and excessive spending could have been avoided.

Sigh*


I Happen to know quite alot of gay people (Yay for living in the Arts district >:( ) and i happen to know that most of them are just as manly as a straight man. Theres a few flamboyant "queens" but then theres also quite a few superheavyweight fighter, Monster truck driving macho men too balance that out. When i watched the superbowl last year with my friends 4/11 of them we're gay/bisexual they were just as manly as the rest of us (and a little more manly then me )




No sorry those studies are wrong. Political decisions aren't influenced by Testosterone and hard-headedness there based on a countries needs/wants. Wars are started either for resources, land or self-defence no major country goes out and says. "HEY INDIA WE THINK WE'RE BETTER THEN YOU WERE GONNA BOMB YO ASS!"
And honestly Women can vote to maybe they should've voted for Hillary if they wanted more women in charge.

Religion is another major theory behind war.



But surely if men are hard headed then they wpuld have more individual opinions and be less influenced than women?

Some men are. So are some women.


Some homosexuals are feminine, some homosexuals are masculine. Same goes with straight people.

@Choccy: You can't generalise men and women's personalities as a whole; everyone is different funnily enough, regardless of stereotypes. Futhermore, one's personality does not make them any more superior or inferior to someone else.

I find the feminists the topic poster is talking about to be scary.

I am for equal rights, and that is it. I am not "pro-woman", I am not "pro-man", and I find it illogical to say that people are either one or the other. The only time anyone is either "pro-woman", or "pro-man" is when they are sexist (as it is clear that they value one gender over the other).



That is very sexist.

Not every guy is like that. There are also plenty of women that fit that exact profile (all of it, not just parts).

If you want to point out those flaws, you would do well to understand that those same flaws appear in women too.



So homosexuals cannot really be in love? That is illogical.

There are plenty of single fathers who do just fine taking care of a child. There are plenty of gay couples (men) who do just fine bringing up a child. Remarks suchs as the one you wrote are outdated.



Wow, sexist remarks against both men and women .

I disagree entirely. War is in human nature, no matter who is running a government.

Actually, some women, just like some men, are group thinkers. It comes down to each person, not all men are group thinkers, not all women are group thinkers. However, there are plenty of each that are.



You are not joking, are you?

There are plenty of lazy women, there are plenty of non-lazy guys. Likewise, there are many lazy guys, and many lazy women. It all comes down to who ther person is. To say all guys are lazy is as wrong as saying all women are not lazy.

Each person has their advantages and disadvantages. To say one gender is better then the other is wrong.



Yet, that is what you said, and continue to say.

Women are not more "efficient, caring and loving". It is equal. It comes down to the person, not the gender.



And white men only eat crackers (this sentence is sarcastic).



Oh good god. That is incorrect. Or do you mean to imply the multi-million dollar clothing lines aimed only at women are not marked influences by others targeted at one group (who is heavily influenced by what others think)?

It comes down to the person, not the gender. There are plenty of men who are heavily influenced by what others think. There are plenty of women who are the same.

~John

I don't see why there are genders anyway, (no dirty thoughts please), I mean Women and Men are different just because they are brought up differently, apart from brain and reproductive organ difference and maybe appearance, we are all the same.

Anyway feminism, I have nothing to say really, if someone wants to act differently then they do so, if they do actions differently then it doesn't concern me, I ignore and I have the opinion we are all the same. If they make sexist comments, I have no argument, they think what they think, I still think we are the same. If a women wants a job and not a man then she gets one, who is stopping her?

I once met a women in a bus who said that men shouldn't be able to play sports and women should play more, of course if you were in the bus you would think she was crazy, I ignore feminism, whatever feminist comment someone throws at me, I do not agree nor disagree.

Possibly, but conflicts can be avoided by talking, and the amount of religious countries are very little. http://filipspagnoli.files.wordpress.com/2...w=495&h=218



hardheaded can mean that they are suborn, possibly not willing to change tactics or methods, anyway this is what the study said.

Your brain controls your thought and therefore your personality aswell as physical and mental capabilities. We're not the same but we're also not as different as everyone makes us out to be.



As i've said whoever conducted this study either 1) Conducted it with the intention of making it biased or B) Are complete sexist retards who should be fired from there job immediately.

I see how you mixed 2 threads together!


What? First things first, men CANNOT mother children, because they are men. They are not females, and therefore, they cannot be the mother influence...
As a bloke myself, who knows a lot of other guys, they're every bit as good a people as the girls I know.

I'm sure that's tact. I approach someone being sad in a different way to my female counterpart. I also approach it differently to my best friend. He approaches it different to the Clown at number 26. You can't label one gender something. I care for people, I'm not aggressive (I'm hardly EVER in fights, even though I'm bullied an awful lot) and surely being "hard headed" is a good thing, meaning you're single minded.
I think it's disgusting that people generalise in this way.


Harriet Harman made a total blunder when she said that. She is a feminist, and I don't share this view with her, or you. HOW CAN SHE MAKE PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS ABOUT THIS? If Gordon Brown went and started shouting "Women are not equal" and stripped them of voting rights, I'd be against that, because I believe in equal oppurtunities between people. I think by her saying one of the top two leadership jobs in the country should be held my a woman is a stupid argument, because you vote for the best candidate, not the best male and female. Why can't I just pull a Harriet Harman and say "IF WOMINZ DID THA BANKINZ LIEK THA CURONSI WUD BE SHOEZ L0L0L0L"? I'll tell you why - it's bollocks. I doubt there would be less wars too. The people who run countries are, on the hole (generalising a little. There are exceptions), pretty decent people, as in they're not stupid. So why would they get into stupid wars. George Bush WAS stupid and Britain is America's little pet, but the decent leaders don't get into needless wars. Why neccessarily would women not get into wars? I see loads of girls fighting every day.


The only thing which is unfair is the fact women do get paid less than men for the same job. Obviously there's a little more, but it's easy enough to stamp those misdemeanors out. Once that's sorted, it doesn't matter.

The whole argument is stupid.

They can just as likely be caused by it too.



I'm talking about religion in general, not religious Government. And you only have to look at the wars currently taking place (i'm referring to Afghanistan, Israel/Palestine) and you'll see that religion plays a huge part in them.

Not really. I highly doubt the governments of these countries are actually spending billions on bombs over religion. It makes a good excuse and people are more willing to fly under there gods banner then the banner of some old washed up politician. Look at the war on Iraq. America used a terrorist attack (which may or may not have been a conspiracy i won't even get into that) as an excuse to fly out and steal/protect oil reserves it's pretty much the same thing with Inter-middle East conflicts.

The fight in Afghanistan is against the Taliban - Muslim Extremists.
Israel and Palestine is a fight between Muslims and Jews.

YOUR POINT IS VOID

Its more so over territory look up the history of the 2 countries.

if i read this thread i'm baffled by the stupidity and superstition i see here

really

men are more this, woman are more that
what a load of cameldung
seriously

do you really believe all that crap

seriously
it's about as stupid as saying a white man is better in this or that then a black man because a white man is more yadayadayada

people live by the rules they want to live by
saying a man is better in this or that is only so if you believe it to be and want to live by it

it's about as real as god... or the flying spaghetti monster

pure belief
belief can be a strong factor
but don't take it for real

No I meant brain size xd

I believe that we ARE the same, we CANNOT be dicrimminated because of gender what determines what we can be dicrimminated by is individuals and not groups, like if someone was very dumb or poor I could discrimminate them because of that, although it isn't that morally correct, it is theoretically legitimate to do.

I love an update where one person is against everyone else, seems a very active debate.

Yes, not every man is like that, and obviously there are women like that too, but I'm talking mainly about the general genders, and this is my opinion on based on what I've seen and heard, obviously I can not have the whole picture of every man and women. If you think it's sexist then fine, i'm merely stating that women can do things generally better than men in some area's, one example would be multi-tasking.



I've already answered to homosexuality, being one I have a bit of insight. But anyway, basically I said that we have what I'd call feminine aspects to us. And I said mostly, there are mostly more single mothers than single farthers. I wouldn't call it outdated, as I said with men who are gay they are more feminine, and with single fathers I believe they are quite capable, but parent the child in a different manner.



You say war is a human thing, but because of the lack of females in politics and the army, we can not possibly say this definitely. As I said, this is theory by one of the highest ranking British politicians, so obviously she must have had some basis.

I stress, that I am generalizing, I can not account for different people because I'd be typing millions of pages. The article goes down to the more biological ties such as men having 9 times more testosterone than women, so they tend to do more risks, and the way the male mind thinks is different to the way the female mind thinks.



I actually agree here, as I have said there are plenty of exceptions, and I can not say a man is better than a woman because I personally believe they both have positive and negative traits. What I am saying is men tend to this, or women tend to do this. And there is a social status where it seems women in certain area's is unacceptable, I say I agree with Feminism is because i think the true potential of women is squashed.



This where I disagree, women and men are built differently, they act differently. You seem to be arguing that men and women share the same qualities, but they don't, I believe men and women are different in general. It's impossible to say an individual does this and is like this, I am saying in general.



What I said was based on an article in the Times (of London), I have no idea of the science behind it.

Choccy, have you any logic in your statements? Think about it, are all men that way? No, newspapers are always biased among politicians and other groups,do not believe everything you hear.

Obviously that is true, and I was hoping I'd find a link to the article later on but seems I can't, which is pretty disappointing, so you can disregard that as I have no proof.

Edit: I found something similar: http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_an...icle5934200.ece

I'm all for equal rights, but it's hypocritical and stupid for hardcore feminists to be sexist against men. I'd also like to mention that although equal rights are a must, men and women aren't equal.

Well of course. No two individuals of any kind are equal either. It's just important that we're treated as such.

Since the beginning men have always been the one to be political and a figure in the outside world. During the Renaissance, some women started publishing radical ideas giving sort of a new start and so forth. I have no problem with women being feminist, because they're women.

If you don't want to shave your armpits and call the president, "presidenta", go for it I really have no problem and it really doesn't affect me.

Except thats not the extent of extreme feminists actions. Often times they can be down right spiteful to men and while i haven't heard of to many illegal activities from feminist groups men do have feelings and self-esteems to and if i'm not allowed to walk down the street asking every woman i pass why shes not in the kitchen or making babies why do they feel they can tell me i'm a selfish retarded trash eating pig (i'm using an actual example of what a feminist once called me)

meh, so what if some women go around, asking for a complete abolition of the distinction between man and woman,
what:
1. is the harm?
2. can you do about it?

Except they don't want to abolition the distinction they want to exaggerate it by making men look like disgusting vile mutants and make woman look like these perfect absolutely spotless saints.

if women are "saints", and men are "mutants", then how come the OP said they were against shaving arm pits?
if men are the mutants, then how come the feminists (some of them) choose to make a point of acting like them?

Because they still think that there being opressed by men and that we give a damn about there social status in the world and that we're going to try and force them to shave there pits if they refuse. Sorry girls you can vote you can wear pants and theres about the same number of you as us get over it.
(We're talking about America i know womans rights are different outside western and developed society.)

The funny thing is, I was just talking about this with a friend literally 2 hours ago. Honestly, I'm completely against feminists. We have our rights, we're not shoved in the corner anymore, what more do you want? There's no point in screaming at people for kind gestures like opening the door for you or getting your chair. If you want to go all nasty and don't shave your legs and stuff, that's fine, but that doesn't mean I'm going to do that. I think these people need to understand that there is a way to voice your opinion without being an ass hole.

Sorry Lily i see through your disguise! Don't try to fool me with your supposed rational beliefs because i know ALL women feel as if there rights are being violated everyday and they think that men are evil and women are superior. Silly feminist terrorists.
I also know you like to capture tie-up and whip young asian boys until they cry and become your obedient servants.




Please?



EDIT: If you can find the serious discussion undertone in this post then i congratulate you.
EDIT2: And i'm not talking about the obvious failed attempt at sudden femdom innuendo.

I possibly see it? I'm just a stupid woman though... haha. But yeah.. most women are completely fine with men being polite, and the rational ones can at least see that we're really not being treated that badly. Like honestly, especially when it comes to physical labor, a woman will never be asked to do as much as a man. And police are always politer to women, no joke. Honestly, I'd say we have it pretty easy. Most of the women complaining how it's so not fair that they can't get a job demanding physical labor don't even want the job, they just want the option, even though they KNOW they will NEVER take that job.

That's not to say there still aren't any sexist laws. For example, in the UK women are still excluded from units with a dedicated Infantry role in the military.

In the government's defense[woah something I never believed I'd say...] men are, by nature, physically stronger than women. When we age we lose our upper body strength at a relatively quicker rate.

Say a woman who happens to have immense upper body strength compared to the average female wants to have such a role in the military. Why should she be excluded from said unit?