Source : http://news.uk.msn.com/uk/article.aspx?cp-...&ocid=today


Well on one hand its an invasian of personal space to have your mom read your texts but is it a good thing. What are your views? If things like this keep happening more and more parents will read our texts ... I just can't believe she kept his number after he made sexual suggestions she couldve blocked his number

Your Views?

Well she's obviously a very stupid girl, not because she let it get to that point, but not stopping it there, so she should be babied like that.

Ps. Spelling is Nosey Mum vs Paedophiles.

Yeh of course.....

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Pedophiles are just becoming more and more stupid in my opinion. That's a good thing.

Yeah, all 12 year old girls are going to tell there moms they sent a 20 year old creep there cell phone number. Honestly the age of consent needs to be lowered, if you can bleed you can bleed. My mom was 13 when she had me and my dad was in his mid 20's my mom knew what she was getting into and was mature enough to handle the consequences as would any other 13 year old if western parents stopped babying there children until they turn 20. She has boobs she can bleed its not paedophelia its no worse then having a petite fetish.

Why was she attracted to a so called "20 year old"?

I know this isn't the 1930's anymore but can't young adults (LOL) get someone there own/similar age?

I don't see why this has to be an issue, that mom is just overprotective, kids are kids sometimes they choose to have sex with people older than them, so theres nothing wrong with this and now England is sending an innocent man to jail for 4 years just because he wanted to be in a sexual relationship.

The girl is 12. You don't see anything wrong with a 20 year old, who has had sex with other young kids before, having sex with a 12 year old? Now, I'm going to ask this in all seriousness. Are you a pedophile? Like seriously, are you?

Yummy mummy to the rescue!

I don't see anything wrong if the girl isn't clever enough to object. She was saved by her Mum. She obviously couldn't get out herself. Which is stupid.

Not that there's anything wrong with your parents reading your texts anyway. If they pay for your phone, they have the right to read your texts.

Hey, even Meidou somewhat has a same opinion on this as me, so its not like I'm only saying this cause I'm biased or anything. And yes I find nothing wrong at all about a 20 year old being in a sexual relationship with a 12 year old. Why is it wrong? Besides finding it "disgusting" because of the age difference, how is it bad? That seems to be the thing no one can answer.

What if the girl is prepubescent? I'm not sure if it's the case here, but I'm just talkin in general.

It's not just this, you always seem to be on the side of pro-kid relationships. Why is this wrong? Because kids are easy to convince, especially if you're an adult. Kids have a respect for adults, and look up to them. We shouldn't let adults use this power to take advantage over innocent kids.

+ at 12 (if shes in year 7 at school) shes only just started learning about puberty and how her bodies changing. It wont be 1 or 2 years later till she'd properly learn about the full extent of sex and relationships. Involving contraceptives and pregnancy prevention. Its just not right. As soxking said children are easy to manipulate, this man obviously has a thing for children in particular and it's not right that he grooms them over the internet for sex and then takes pictures of them... but its different opinions i guess

Because we no longer live in the dark ages.

Life expectancy is no longer 30-35 years old but easily 75-80+ if you're lucky enough to live in a good European country. As thus society has adapted and people are no longer forced to fly through life. Kids are allowed to be kids and although one could argue that there are those whom are mature enough to take on the responsibility there is no longer the pressure and several kids just aren't prepared to take on the responsibility of raising a kid or have the access to the means that it would require and having a kid is a risk and responsiblity that comes with sex. One might argue that abortion is always an option but this might not be because of the parents opinion or a girl her own ethical beliefs.

Or the safety of the mother. Abortion is not only a problem for the embryo/child/whatever you want to call it, but also on the mother. I'm not convinced that a twelve year old child would handle an abortion well. Just pointing out.

I think that, on the whole, this is a reason to not let your kids know about the internet until they're of a good age...this and those "u fudgein n00b" kids on FPS games.

Which is a fault of the educational system just because we don't have to rush through life anymore doesn't mean we have to baby our teenagers. When a girl starts bleeding out her peehole it means that nature says she's good to go. She can say no if she wants and i'll respect that but I hold natures standards high above societies you might find that sick but i find you sick for conforming to what a bunch of grouchy old men say is good and bad. Personally i wouldn't be interested in a 12 year old simply because they tend to be whiny, irritating and superficial but if i were a little hornier, it was legal and the girl asked, yes i'de go for it. Pedophilia is an attraction to prepubescents unless the girl is a really late bloomer then she's pubescent and if you think that pubescent sexual relations are "disgusting" and wrong then you'd better all go out and buy your purity rings.

Plus one Meidou @@@

That's what I wanted to say but I didn't know how to word it and I'm not clever enough either

But not many of the stories concerned with pedophilia show people who respect what the underage girl wants...

I'm sure at 12 it's a bit too young, in my opinion at-least. And like someone pointed out, young girls aren't mature or responsible enough to make rational decisions or withstand pressure from older men. I also think that a young girl who faces something like pregnancy will struggle, they are too young to go through that. While I don't want to tell people what they should and shouldn't do, I think that the parents should have some say till they are at-least 16. I know a girl who lost her virginity at a very young (11), and she's been sexually active with multiple people since, but I know she's too young to understand the risks she's letting herself into

This still does not change the fact that she most likely does not have the mental maturity to consciously decide about sex and consider the possible consequences it might have. (Although being perfectly honest, I doubt that changes much when you would ask a 16 year old guy)

Preconception is not fail proof. Actually a Clan Leader of a Runescape Clan I was once in got his girlfriend pregnant because of a teared condom (although both were in university at the time) and the girl was raised heavily catholic and refused an abortion whereas he didn't want to have to give up on his studies to raise a baby but he also didn't want to just abandon his girlfriend. In the end it ended up with his girlfriend doing an abortion after all through much arguments and they ended up with a shattered relationship.

Fact is sex isn't just all fun but also has serious consequences. Although the chance of preconception not being effective is small a person still needs to be aware of the consequences that come with it.

Also young boys who weren't properly educated on the usage of condoms yet (ages 13~) would also have a heightened risk of a teared condom or having sex withtout one at all as well.

AKA Rape which i deem just as terrible a crime whether its a 50 year old man raping a 6 year old girl or a
20 year old girl raping a 30 year old man (it happens occasionally).



My Mom was 13 when she had me my grandma was somewhere in the 14-15 range as was my grandma, great grandma and great great grandma all of them and myself were fathered by men almost twice there age but we all turned out fine. Once you've hit puberty maturity is a matter of conditioning parents need to realise that there kids aren't kids anymore and they need to start learning to be adults pretty damn soon.




pfft if she was a real catholic she wouldn't be wearing a condom anyways. I agree sex can have serious consequences but in reality a 12 year old isn't much less capable then a 16 year old girl and we all know that most people are getting laid somewhere around there (infact i think the average was 13 years old last time i checked).

EDIT: Lol i thought that clan leader you were talking about was Stu' but i forgot he's like 14 or 15 isn't he

But in this case the girl made it clear that she didnt want to advance sexually but the man continued.

That is because in Japan (I asume?) you have different standards.

Kids don't need to learn to be adults damn soon as soon as they show signs that they can reproduce. Why do you want to force people to be mature at such a young age when through hard work and evolution we have reached a time where we can finally allow people to live their lives a bit slower and have some fun in them. This is what childhood is all about and through having fun kids can also slowly develop into mature adults by making mistakes.

We live in a diferent world now and it took hard work to get here. Primitive throughts like the fact that women should be ready to reproduce as soon as they can are no longer standard here.

Only as serious as one wishes to make them.

I don't think parent's should go through their childrens' personal life; if the child wishes to share, they can. This is one of those rare exceptions that convinces parents that all things cyber are evil and that they have a justified reason to snoop. They don't.

As for the AoC debate that has arisen. I think below 15 there should be an age gap limitation (a year or two), but once 15 a teenager usually knows what's coming for them. Don't give me any crap about mental maturity, there are immature 40 year olds, and mature 12 year olds.

YEAH BUT WHO CARES YOU DON'T MEET ANYONE FROM TINTERNET UNLESS YOU ARE VERY COOL () AND YOU ARE SURE THEY ARE V. NICE PERSON.

Fixed it.

They're a little different culturally "mainland" Japan is usually pretty strict on the statuatory rape and other sexually based crimes thing. Okinawa being a pretty 3rd world island aside from a few cities doesn't really have a way of enforcing anything.


Anyways sorry i'm trying to debate while i'm moving furniture and stuff i'll give you an actual reply in 20 minutes or so.

Go mum i say, the guy should be lucky it wasn't the father. If anyone tried to get into my 12 year old daughters pants, I'd do more than just call the cops I'd hunt down the twisted fudge and show him a time he'd never forget, this creep should thank his lucky stars it wasn't me.

fudge i hate pedophiles, fudge them all the sick twats.

Except he's not a pedophile she's got tits (small as they likely are) and she should be on her period therefore he's not trying to have a sexual relationship with a child he wants one with an adolescent and considering he's 20 thats not all that uncommon. My last girlfriend was 15 (i was 18) she was no more of a teen then the 12 year old girl and i was no less of an adult then the "creepy man". As i've said i have my doubts that she actually "accidentally" gave her number to the man so i'm pretty sure she knew what she was getting into.

You might want to try respecting other peoples views i know it might be personal to you but others feel differently

Maybe i should get this moved to the debate room D:?

Wow, I am glad they caught that man before he was allowed to act more.



Innocent? Hardly. The person in question is a very sick person, and I am glad he is doing jail time.

It is not because he wanted to be in a sexual relationship, it is because he wanted to either (a) rape a child, or (b) have sex with a child. The man was sick, in the head, and I am glad he was sent to jail.
Having sex with a person underage is a crime for a reason, it is taking advantage of an underaged person.



It sounds almost as thou you are for rape. "I do not see anything wrong if the [victim] was not clever enough to stop it." Crimes are crimes for a reason, it does not depend upon if the victim can stop it or not (if they could, chances are they would).



"Nature"? "Nature"? Nature thinks it is okay for the very old to have sex with the very young. Morals, and laws, however (and rightly so), say otherwise.



My morals, my beliefs, say otherwise. I agree with the law. If one of the agreeing parties is underaged, the other party cannot be older by four years.



Why? Because we are not for sex with minors? Contrary to popular belief, children do make stupid mistakes. Mistakes that we as a society have a right to keep them from making. Children should not be having sex with grownup people, period. We no longer live in the middle-ages, where young girls are married off to older men (in some cases, in their 30's) to start having children until they die. Now indays we have such laws as "not having sex with children", and rightly so.

I find all of you who support children having sex with adults sick. The adult can get a person around their own age, and not take advantage of children.

~John

I sort of agree but now people may question msn as to being unsafe when she intentionally gave him her msn

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The difference between a 12 and 16 year old girl is mainly that the 16 year old girl has been more educated on sex, has a chance of having a more longstanding relationship with a boy and also she is less likely to be intimidated into have 'consensual' sex. Also she has a much higher chance of actually managing to atleast finish high school which still gives her a better chance at being able to support a child.



I didn't mean serious as in bad.

I agree with you on the personal life thing to.

Also I'm aware of the fact that mature 12 year olds exists. There are a lot less of them. Which is why I used words such as 'most likely'




Ah, sorry. Was just guessing at what little I know about your location.

I'm just giving my views on this to get a debate going. I probably won't be there to finish it though since I find debate end up getting pretty boring. :3

I find it sick how many of you actually try to justify this mans actions, I'd like to get inside your head and figure out just what it is that makes your clock tick backwards.

Parents on your streets should be fearful.


A view you say? don't make me laugh, their views a hardly more than sick fetishes and are worth nothing more than the bullshizzle that leaves their mouths. You're going to be parents one day and i hope on your daughters 12th birthday you reflect on this and realize how stupid your words were.

If not, well, lets hope gods got a prayer in his magic book of wonders saved for you, if you believe in such notions that is.

ROFL!

also im only 13 and im not a verg anymore but honestly that girl mustve been so lonely to "agree" to a 20yr old
im pretty sure the phone number wasnt a accident..

While I don't agree with their point of view, it's a bit something to target their personalities, they are obviously good willing people brought up in a different culture and maybe see things differently to how we expect. We should try and look at other cultures and understand them, not put our fingers in our ears and curse.

On topic, I know your mother may have been young, there are young child births in the UK too, however I don't think English girls are brought up well enough, through poor education, family standards and maybe reluctance to grow old, to know what they are doing and the full consequences, well I may be wrong, but that's how I see it.

In their defense, a couple of hundred years ago having sex and conceiving children at the age of 12-14 wasn't uncommon. They're not argueing it should be allowed for these children to be intimidated into having sex but that if she agrees to it that it should be perfectly fine.

Just because somethings not right in your opinion doesnt make it wrong.

If you disagreed with homosexuality (nothing to do with it im just giving an example ) does that make it wrong? Does it mean that homosexuals clocks tick backwards. Just because you don't understand something does not make it wrong. Heck you dont want to do it and you could never imagine yourself doing it but you cringe at the thought but it is natural to do it. Its just morally wrong. And threatening/judging people over the internet isnt helping tbh.

But then again i dont think that kids as young as 12 should be offering themselves on a plate but if they feel 100% ready they can feel free to do what they do.... but the other party (over 16 year olds especially) must respect the fact they arent ready and want to take things 100% slow. and not try to rush them at all. Heck i wouldnt of enjoyed sex at 12

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No im not that disrespectful. Id love my daughter and id hopefully have raised her well enough to not want to have sex at the age of 12. There are worse fetishes and their are worse things wrong in the world.
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It sounds like im changing my views a lot

Basically i believe its naturally right every person leads their own choices in life but i think its 100% wrong when its forced on them. Children are easy too manipulate and that happens a lot which is why the law against pedophilia is there. Not everyone has friendly sex many turn into rape and assault which haunt that person for the restof their life which they dont deserve so they should take a few more years to learn about it.

Well thats the kind of bad thinking that gets many innocent people thrown into jail. Most kids who are middle class or upper class likely won't ever be raped or have an adult attempt to have sex with them. This whole "stranger danger on the internet" is way too overblown and as I have said before, and I think it needs repeating, it is a modern day witchunt, looking for something thats not there, and in this case the witch is the so called "sexual predator on the internet".
And being 12 isn't some kind of "innocent thing" like everyone keeps bringing up, if anything kids are maturing faster now a days cause they can look up porn on the internet, and are able to be more knowledgable about sex and their feelings and what not about it at a younger age.

My mothers side of my family does and as i've said we all turned out fine none of us have any special genetic gene that causes us to cope better with the fact that all my female relatives were "victims of pedophiles" and i assure you that Naha city isn't stuck in the dark ages so why if my mom could turn out so well can't the other girl? It's because people like you keep going blah blah blah pedophiles are evil blah blah blah they need to be shizzle. Which i completely and 100% agree with as you might know from my other posts in similar topics truely lusting for a young child and being unable to control your urges is sick and you don't deserve rights in my eyes. However for )hopefully the last time.


THIS IS NOT PEDOPHILIA!

She's bleeding and as i've said is no less secually and developementally capable then the average 16 or 17 year old who we as society have no real problems with letting run off with a 50 year old man. In my eyes him wanting to have a secual relation with her is no worse then him wanting a sexual relation with a more petite 16 year old it's just a matter of how society chooses to better inform the 16 year old because some old man picked a number out of a hat and said that people over that age can do more then people below it. Theres no mistaking that the 12 year old girls probably making a big mistake but someone of 20 years of age isn't a saintly all-knowing model of wisdom and maturity. They can't really tell whether the 12 year old girls into it or not. All you Anti-pedo's in this topic are acting like he's this fat creepy psychotic 40 year old. Tell me would this be a big deal if the male was 16? having been both 16 and 20 i can honestly say i'm not all that different. When your going through (or just getting over) puberty numbers and quantitative figures don't really make much of a difference.

As for your preference of the law over nature, i can do nothing but respect your opinion theres no way to debate your preference you have your opinion i have mine. I see nothing wrong with this the only difference i see between 20 and 12 is one different digit and a different numerical order i see her as a woman by physical standards you obviously don't agree.

@TheBlackSuperman: Since you don't seem to respect other peoples views and beliefs i'll do the same and not dignify you with a decent response. Your opinion is retarded rethink it or atleast reword it and i might be bothered enough to waste a few more seconds of my life on the trash your typing.

i still don't get why ppl are arguing and stuff
its natural to have sex at that age(20 yr old with 13yr old is kinda freaky tho)the girl was probably lonely

Because porn gives an entirely realistic image of sex?

Meidou, just because she's menstruating doesn't mean her frontal lobe has developed enough to make fully rational decisions. They are physiologically/cognitively less mature than people older than them. They probably still think as a child. It's not until later teenaged years that the cognitive rationality associated with being mature is developed.

I agree with this, people are too orientated by fear, the chances are slim, and holding your child back to play on the street is pretty bad, unless their is a serious threat. For some wired reason I was always cautious when I was little, I was very afraid of "older men taking me away" so my brother said to me lol. But yeah, thinking back I would of enjoyed my childhood a heck load more without those fears instigated into my mind. And yes, I know for certain I wasn't "innocent" but I would challenge how I thought back then, showing how much I've twisted through adolescent years.

No, but it at least introduces them to the idea of sex which by what many people in this topic are making it out as if 12 year olds have no idea what their opposite sex's sexual organs are and maybe finding out what some of their fetishes are etc....
I'm not saying it right or wrong, its just that that is what the facts are.

Threatening? put your pants back on son it's the internet I'm not trying to scare them off you.

Opinion? if it was just my opinion, mr.20 year old pedo wouldn't be behind bars now would he, its not just "MY" opinion.

The story goes, the kids number was jacked by a sexual predator of which he used to basically stalk her through text and fill her with virtual goodies until she eventually she was influenced by the older and more experienced person to free up the goods, she only then rethought her actions when her mother (a more wiser and older person, and more influential in her life) stepped in and took a stand influencing her to think another way. Now that right there is perfect evidence of how 12 year old's aren't capable of making their own mature decisions, if one person can sway her to one conclusion then someone else sway her to another, then even you being an older person could just as easily persuade the gullible kid to jump off a bridge.

This guy wasn't just looking for a sexual relationship, he was hunting (key word being hunting) young, vulnerable, and unwise girls on the internet to get his end away with. That's nothing more than a fetish, a sick one at that especially when such planning is involved to achieve it.

By the age of 11 I was well aware of what sex was and what it consisted of. (probably because I had already been using a computer for 2 years and my childhood had already been ruined. )

Did that mean I was ready to be sexually active? No, not really.

I disagree i think that by 12 they have the cognitive ability to make these types of decisions however i'm not a doctor and have only taken one university psychology course which had no relation to children. However being 20 myself i can say without much need of proof that i also have yet to fully develope mentally and therefore i'm just as justified in making mistakes as she is. Who really gets to judge who's developed enough to do what they want? Yes there are certain obvious boundaries and had this girl been 10 and the man been in his 30's or older i'de have the same opinion as TheBlackSuperman or John but 12 and 20 just don't seem far apart enough (both developmentally and numerically) to be considered sick or wrong.



Or she could have just been scared of the posibility of her mom smacking her upside the head and therefore is playing along with a "He's a big scary man and i did absolutely nothing wrong" story so that she doesn't get in shizzle like most 12 year old girls would if they were communicating with a 12 year old like that.




Your opinion + the opinion of a bunch of grumpy old farts who have more influence on people then they should. I'll bring this up again TheBlackSuperman my mother was 13 when she gave birth to me and my dad was in his mid to late 20's i CHALLENGE AND DARE YOU to explain why she and her mother and her mother and her mother were all capable of having a succussful relationship with these "Hunters" and now live pretty fufilling lives without any real complaints about there childhood and why this girl can't. Seriously you seem like the type to give it a shot go for it.

Quote: "He did very nasty stuff to others. Obviously I am glad it didn't happen to me", sound like someone who's scared of their mother? no, sounds like someone whos scared of pedos, you don't know what are you talking about.