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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The United States is overhauling Bush-era plans for a missile defense shield in Eastern Europe, based partly on the latest analysis of Iran's offensive capabilities, President Obama said Thursday.
President Obama on Thursday says the Bush-era missile defense plan will be replaced with a new system.

President Obama on Thursday says the Bush-era missile defense plan will be replaced with a new system.

The "new missile defense architecture in Europe ... will provide capabilities sooner, build on proven systems and offer greater defenses against the threat of missile attack than the... program" that former President George W. Bush proposed, Obama said.

Obama said the change of gears was based on an "updated intelligence assessment" about Iran's ability to hit Europe with missiles.

The Islamic republic's "short- and medium-range" missiles pose the most current threat, he said, and "this new ballistic missile defense will best address" that threat.

Gates, speaking from the Pentagon immediately after the president's announcement, denied the United States was "scrapping" missile defense.

"This new approach provides a better missile defense capability for our forces in Europe, for our European allies and eventually for our homeland than the program I recommended almost three years ago," said Gates, who was defense chief in the last two years of the Bush administration and stayed on when Obama took office. Video Watch as Obama says new approach suited to threats of 21st century »

The Bush-era proposal called for the U.S. to set up a radar site in the Czech Republic and 10 missile interceptors in Poland to counter the threat of Iran launching long-range missiles at America's allies in Europe.

The new system will have "hundreds" of missile interceptors, said Gen. James Cartwright, deputy chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff and the Pentagon's point man on the issue.

It also will have mobile radars, including some in space, "that can move to wherever the threat actually emanates and wherever we feel we need to defend ourselves," Cartwright said.

He contrasted the new sensor technology with the radar systems envisioned in the old plan, which he called "basically left over from the Cold War."

The new plan includes three types of missiles to shoot down incoming threats -- Patriot missiles, which defend a single location; SM-3 interceptors, which he said could protect "a general area like the area from Philadelphia to Washington, D.C."; and large ground-based interceptors in Alaska and California.

The first phase of the system is due to be in place in 2011, with the subsequent phases rolling out around 2015, 2018 and 2020, he said.

"It's a more advanced system, more cost-effective and efficient," a senior administration official said before the president and Gates spoke.

"The technology has evolved in a way that allows you to deploy a system that is more effective in countering both short-, medium- and long-range missiles," said the official, contrasting the types of missiles that Iran, for example, is believed to have with intercontinental ballistic missiles of the kind feared during the Cold War.

The Bush administration had cited the perceived nuclear threat from Iran as one of the key reasons it wanted to install the missile shield in Eastern Europe.

But a 60-day review mandated by Congress and ordered by Obama recommended the new approach that was unveiled Thursday.

American officials from Obama on down insisted Thursday's announcement does not reflect any lesser commitment to European defense.

But the U.S. reversal is likely to please Russia, which had fiercely opposed the plan.

Obama has been seeking a stronger relationship with Russia and better cooperation from the Kremlin to support tough U.N. economic sanctions against Iran if it continues to pursue its nuclear ambitions.

There was no immediate comment Thursday morning from Russian officials, although Russia's ambassador to the United Nations grinned when asked if he had heard the announcement. "Oh, yes," the Russian envoy, Vitaly Churkin, said with a smile.

Missile defense has been a sore point in relations between Washington and Moscow, with Russia believing the shield would ultimately erode its strategic nuclear deterrent.

The missile shield issue came up in July during a meeting between Obama and Russian President Dmitry Medvedev in Moscow. Obama maintained that Russia had nothing to fear from such a system, which would be designed to intercept a solitary missile from Iran or North Korea, as opposed to "a mighty Russian arsenal."

But the senior administration official denied a diplomatic motive to scrapping the missile defense program.

"This has nothing to do with Russia," he said. "The notion that we're abandoning missile defense is completely false. It's evolving into a different system."

A U.S. delegation held high-level meetings Thursday in Poland and the Czech Republic to discuss the missile defense system. Officials in both countries confirmed the system would be scrapped.

In a statement, Czech Prime Minister Jan Fischer said that Obama told him in a Wednesday phone call that the United States was shelving its plans. Fischer did not say what reason Obama gave him for reconsidering.

A spokeswoman at the Polish Ministry of Defense also said the program had been suspended.

"This is catastrophic for Poland," said the spokeswoman, who declined to be named in line with ministry policy.
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Poland and the Czech Republic had based much of their future security policy on getting the missile defenses from the United States. The countries share deep concerns of a future military threat from the east -- namely, Russia -- and may look for other defense assurances from their NATO allies.

"At the NATO summit in April, we adopted a resolution focusing on building a defense system against real, existing threats, i.e. short-range and medium-range missiles," Fischer said. "We expect that the United States will continue cooperating with the Czech Republic on concluding the relevant agreements on our mutual [research and development] and military collaboration, including the financing of specific projects."


Frankly, I'm loving Obama's defense changes so far. First, getting rid of the utterly pointless F-22, now, getting rid of an anachronistic missile defense system.

Your thoughts on Obama's defensive spending alterations, please?
Blyaunte
Well - he's really going to tick of the industrial military combine ...

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Samurai Kenji
Even the crazy right-wingers can't deny this man is doing some serious good for Americas military. Normally i'de be the first one to say "Iran and North Korea aren't going to bomb you stop worrying" and i still believe that but none the less that piece of outdated junk bush made needed to go.
Zon70
he still hasnt done enough he needs to pull out of afghanistan and iraq, and shut down all military bases overseas, only then will we save many money.
theking1322
QUOTE (Zon70 @ Sep 17 2009, 03:39 PM) *
he still hasnt done enough he needs to pull out of afghanistan and iraq, and shut down all military bases overseas, only then will we save many money.

Well, those bases overseas are what allow America to maintain its capability to strike anywhere in the world. You can have bombs on target 1 hour from the White House phone call thanks to this system of bases.

Obama hasn't done anything notable for the military.

"Hundreds of missiles?" That's a bloody lot of rockets, innit?

The right way: Preserve NATO, screw Russia
Obama's way: Screw NATO, ally with Russia
D-Jizzy
NATO isn't necessarily the right way, though it works for the time being.
Hallowed be thy Raide
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The right way: Preserve NATO, screw Russia
Obama's way: Screw NATO, ally with Russia



the true right way : destroy tensions with russia and lets all be happy?





Phoenix Rider
QUOTE (Zon70 @ Sep 17 2009, 10:39 PM) *
he still hasnt done enough he needs to pull out of afghanistan and iraq, and shut down all military bases overseas, only then will we save many money.


Pulling out of those countries at this stage in time is foolishness and out of place. The Iraqi is still not ready enough to take over total security in Iraq and the country itself still has alot of work before it can become a full functioning democracy. But I see withdrawal soon from Iraq and I can see his 2011 deadline as being achievable.

Afghanistan of the other hand is a totally separate matter. The Taliban has permanent presence in 80% of the country and is stronger that ever since their downfall in 2001. And the government is rife with corruption; so much so that it is incapable of taking on the Taliban by itself. This is what u get after 8 years of failed strategy and little attention paid to a critical region. Bush's war efforts in Iraq has left Afghanistan neglected to put it simple. As Robert Gates said, expect a long term troop presence in the country if u want it to normalise enough to leave it with the Afghans.
123man
Any detractors to Obama's plan now would have some egg on their face:
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/eu...nd-1790262.html

Russia has canceled all for a similar missile system that they started in response to Bush's plans to place missiles in Poland.
D-Jizzy
Well, at least, they say they have. I'm willing to give them a luxury of a doubt, but we ARE dealing with Russia here. I wouldn't go out on a limb and say egg in face juuuuust yet.
DaNoobPro1337
Since when did they find out about Iran's nukes?
theking1322
You know, I had a neat picture of a ballistic track somewhere which shows why this is to defend against Iran's missiles, and why those who still claim that this is a way to intimidate Russia should shut their damn mouths because they don't know crap. I need to find that picture.
If Russia wants to nuke us, they have dozens of missiles in Siberia that will go over the North Pole, about 3000km from Poland's ballistic missile defense. Iran, however, cannot shoot a missile at the US without having it pass over Poland due to how orbital mechanics work. Shooting a ballistic missile (which doesn't use its engines after ascent) on a straight line towards America is physically impossible.
Iran is a terror-supporting country run by extremists who have already labeled the US the "Great Satan". You can't be too careful with someone like that.

North Korean missiles, on the other hand, are a joke.
hiphopisvgansta
I'll be happy if he:
1. have the military adopt the xm8(or similar) as their service rifle
2. replaces the m9, the ones issued are old as fudge, and beat to heck, and their sights are kind of messed up. plus, there are much better guns out there.
3. assigns more troops to UN missions.

but what he has been doing is nice, no objections.
D-Jizzy
Eh, I'd rather he not take the Clinton route and deploy troops 44 times for "peacekeeping" missions...that's how people got to hating the US in the first place slanty.gif
Arianna
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If Russia wants to nuke us, they have dozens of missiles in Siberia that will go over the North Pole, about 3000km from Poland's ballistic missile defense.
If Iran attacks Western Europe, it'll be as good as attacking the US soil. I mean, it's not as if there are no US troops stationed in Europe and it's not as if there is a military alliance...
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