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lilshu
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Why is marijuana "healthier" than nicotine? Aren't both essentially filling your lungs with smoke?

That's like saying breathing in some smoke from a barbecue is the same thing as lighting a tire on fire in your closet and inhaling. tongue.gif

It's about the contents of the smoke- and tobacco smoke has far more carcinogenic properties than marijuana smoke. (Marijuana has even been shown as an anti-carcinogenic.)


Maybe we should think less about ourselves and realize the consequential effects it can have on others.

It's not really the health effects on the individual but what impact it can cause on others.


I believe you're right. If taking harmful drugs only affected the single person, all drugs would be available to people over a certain age, wouldn't they? It only becomes illegal when it's dangerous to other people or there are drug dealers pushing drugs on people.

Marijuana isn't dangerous to other people.

Did I say it was in that post?
But it is as potentially harmful to others as alcohol, in that if someone's driving a car while high, they have a higher possibility of having an accident.

That's debatable. There's evidence on both sides of that claim- there's been some research that has proven that you are a safer driver when high, and there's been some evidence that driving while high reduces competency.
Mohorak
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QUOTE (Jose0 @ Oct 20 2009, 12:56 AM) *
Why is marijuana "healthier" than nicotine? Aren't both essentially filling your lungs with smoke?

That's like saying breathing in some smoke from a barbecue is the same thing as lighting a tire on fire in your closet and inhaling. tongue.gif

It's about the contents of the smoke- and tobacco smoke has far more carcinogenic properties than marijuana smoke. (Marijuana has even been shown as an anti-carcinogenic.)


Maybe we should think less about ourselves and realize the consequential effects it can have on others.

It's not really the health effects on the individual but what impact it can cause on others.


I believe you're right. If taking harmful drugs only affected the single person, all drugs would be available to people over a certain age, wouldn't they? It only becomes illegal when it's dangerous to other people or there are drug dealers pushing drugs on people.

Marijuana isn't dangerous to other people.

Did I say it was in that post?
But it is as potentially harmful to others as alcohol, in that if someone's driving a car while high, they have a higher possibility of having an accident.

That's debatable. There's evidence on both sides of that claim- there's been some research that has proven that you are a safer driver when high, and there's been some evidence that driving while high reduces competency.

The Department of Motor Vehicles notes that, after alcohol, cannabis is the leading cause of motor vehicle accidents.
lilshu
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Why is marijuana "healthier" than nicotine? Aren't both essentially filling your lungs with smoke?

That's like saying breathing in some smoke from a barbecue is the same thing as lighting a tire on fire in your closet and inhaling. tongue.gif

It's about the contents of the smoke- and tobacco smoke has far more carcinogenic properties than marijuana smoke. (Marijuana has even been shown as an anti-carcinogenic.)


Maybe we should think less about ourselves and realize the consequential effects it can have on others.

It's not really the health effects on the individual but what impact it can cause on others.


I believe you're right. If taking harmful drugs only affected the single person, all drugs would be available to people over a certain age, wouldn't they? It only becomes illegal when it's dangerous to other people or there are drug dealers pushing drugs on people.

Marijuana isn't dangerous to other people.

Did I say it was in that post?
But it is as potentially harmful to others as alcohol, in that if someone's driving a car while high, they have a higher possibility of having an accident.

That's debatable. There's evidence on both sides of that claim- there's been some research that has proven that you are a safer driver when high, and there's been some evidence that driving while high reduces competency.

The Department of Motor Vehicles notes that, after alcohol, cannabis is the leading cause of motor vehicle accidents.

Leading cause? Or a relevant factor? Or an unrelated factor? Or just accidents involving marijuana use?

I wonder how many of their accidents were actually directly caused by marijuana use. Mind providing your source? Have you actually looked into the data?
Gillis
I've only driven high once and it was for about 100 feet, but I drove like 3 mph the entire time. There was no way I was getting in an accident. If anything, it makes you a safer driver.
balloons
I think it should be legal. almost EVERYONE at my school does it, and lots of other people i know do it. Honestly, in my opinion, its not as bad as drinking. You can still function normally when your high, everything is just more "fun"
Mohorak
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I've only driven high once and it was for about 100 feet, but I drove like 3 mph the entire time. There was no way I was getting in an accident. If anything, it makes you a safer driver.


That's not safer. Drunk people do the same thing and it gets them into accidents. You can get a ticket for going too far under the speed limit just like you can while speeding.
balloons
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I'M NOT ENCOURAGING ANYBODY (STRICTLY CHILDREN) TO SMOKE MARIJUANA. MARIJUANA IS CURRENTLY ILLEGAL AND POSSESSION OF MARIJUANA IS STRICTLY ILLEGAL IN SOME COUNTRIES. I DO NOT TAKE ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR MISUSE OF ANY INFORMATION HERE. THIS WHOLE DOCUMENT DEAL WITH MATURE CONTENT AND EXPRESS PERSONAL VIEWS ON AN ILLEGAL SUBSTANCE. READER DISCRETION IS STRONGLY ADVISED!


Okay, So I decided to make a short resume about the movie The Union.

You can watch the full movie here.

I just took notes of the important keywords and put them in a word document to share it with all of you who won't have time to watch the movie/too lazy to and/or just can't watch the movie.

Brief marijuana history 101:
Cannabis can be hemp. It is the most durable natural soft fiber on the surface on this planet. Since thousands of years, hemp always had many uses on the industry. A lot of medicines and clothes were made from hemp. It is said that the famous movie "Reefer Madness" caused marijuana to be illegal. It was believed that marijuana caused the user to be violent but many politicians later opposed that myth. In fact, marijuana calms and mellows the user.

-Does prohibition really works?
Prohibition in fact has never worked. Prohibition has never stopped people from using marijuana. In 1937, it was estimated that there was 15,000 marijuana users. Now, it is estimated to be 15,000,000+ marijuana users.

-Dangerous of using marijuana?
People believe it kills brain cells, etc... The government did an experiment on monkeys to determine and see if marijuana kills or causes any damage to the brain or brain cells. The monkeys died. 6 years later it was finally released how the experiment was made. They pumped astronomical amount of smoke on monkeys. The smoke and the lack of oxygen made the monkeys suffocate and die. The dead brain cells were from the lack of oxygen and not from pot. Thus, the experiment results were invalid.
In fact, in 2005 a study showed that marijuana could stimulate the growth of brain cells on the brain.

-What about lung cancer?
All the studies used always that marijuana "may" or "should" cause lung cancer. But it has never been reported that someone had lung cancer solely from using marijuana. But smoke is harmful because of the proprieties of smoke. Any smoke could harm your lungs. But nothing in the cannabis plant ever caused lung cancer.
A study has been made and showed the tobacco smoke is more harmful than marijuana smoke.

-Which drug is causing more death per year?
Tobacco kills more people than all illegal drugs combined with accidents and aids per year.
It causes over 450,000 deaths per year. Even knowing that tobacco is being the number one killer in the country, the government still plants it and sells it.
Then we got alcohol. It is responsible for the death of over 85,000 people per year. Then we got caffeine which cause from one to 10,000 deaths per year. Even aspirin causes from one to 7500 deaths per year. What about marijuana? People believe it kills from 50,000 to hundreds of billions per year. In fact no single case of death has been attributed from using marijuana in the history of the human kind from thousands of years. You have to smoke 15,000 joints in 20 minutes to die from marijuana which is almost impossible.

-What about addiction?
Only 3% of the patients on the rehab system went voluntarily from being independent on marijuana. The others were either told by a judge or a guardian. Some people get the choices either going to jail or you go to a treatment. Everyone chooses to go to a treatment. They consider these people addicts. Marijuana is known to be less addictive than coffee. There are no severe withdrawal symptoms after stopping the use of marijuana. Its use can be discontinues easier than any other drugs.

-Marijuana is more potent now.
Marijuana being more potent now won't change its effects it had thousands of years ago. For it being more potent will just take fewer amounts from a user to get high thus, inhaling less smoke.

And marijuana could never be overdosed.

-Is marijuana a gateway drug?
Many studies had been done and never actually found something IN marijuana that could push user to go for "hard drugs"(such as cocaine, heroin, etc...)
In fact, any drug (such as food) could lead in using another drug. Example: milk could lead someone to drink alcohol.

Because of the current status of marijuana, users are forced to deal with the black market. Prohibition could be the reason of marijuana being a gateway drug. (Common scenario: -You got weed man? -No man but I got you these nice pills/powder/etc... I will let you try some for free.)
Many black market dealers now tend to go for harder drugs. Why? It is easier to carry pills and powder that could be easily hidden. Marijuana is harder to hard and to sell. It has a strong smell so it makes it harder for dealers to carry it.

-You will be useless to society if you use marijuana, right?
No. If that's true, then there are about 50 million people who smoke marijuana in the USA and over half of the population of Canada has tried marijuana at least once and yet both societies seems to flourish. Even some famous celebrities use marijuana. Many musicians and writers use marijuana daily. Even doctors and judges. Every presidential candidate has used marijuana at least once in their life.

People who are lazy and stay home and smoke weed were going to stay home and do nothing even without marijuana.

There is no evidence that marijuana had been the cause of a single crime. Legalizing it in Europe decreased the crime rate after being the highest crime rate in the world. Legalizing alcohol caused by far many more accidents and crimes then it is causing now from marijuana.

-What about drug availability?
Students in high school and schools claim that they could have access on illegal drugs easier than legal drugs.
Because of its current status on the country, its price and availability is unregulated and is on the hands of the growers. Marijuana could fully grow and flower in 2 months - 3 months. It is not hard to grow marijuana. It needs water, air and light just like any other plant.


The government spend over 7.7B$ to enforce marijuana prohibition. Legalizing marijuana and taxing it could give the government up to 14B$ in profit.

Some police officers know how marijuana is way safer than alcohol and would like to not prosecute criminals possessing marijuana but they don't want to lose their jobs. They just enforce the laws that already exist.
There are 786,566 marijuana arrests in 2005 for simple possession. 88% of marijuana arrests are for simple possession.
That's almost 1 million people in the USA arrested. either you go in jail or not, your future is destroyed. You don't find a job that will accept you with a criminal record. The government is telling us in other ways that's its okay to rape and murder but your career life will be deeply ruined if you do or smoke illegal drugs.

Drug tests:
They cost a lot of money. At first they said they are going to test pilots and police officers. Then they said they are going to DT professional athletes. Later on they planned on testing every child on every school.
In fact, THC (chemical produced from marijuana) stays on someone's system for up to 20 days (although people nowadays find ways to detoxification in several days) but harder drugs like heroine could leave someone's body in 3 days. That also tells the people to use the hard drugs and avoid soft drugs like marijuana.

What about its medical benefits?
Pharmaceutical companies are the most profitable industry on the US. What happened if marijuana is legalized? Well they will lose money because people found a lot of treatment coming from a natural plant.
Marijuana can slow Alzheimer. It treats glaucoma, back pain, depression, nausea, ADHD, anxiety, help patients with AIDS and cancer and could prevents cancer. There is no a product that provides as many as medical benefits as marijuana.
People in some states in US and in Canada could get a medical marijuana card if they have been checked and proven by a doctor that they qualify for a card. That card helps the patient against any arresting for possession of marijuana.

Marijuana is one of the most useful, if not the most useful plant known to mankind and it should not be illegal while keeping tobacco and alcohol legal.



Would like to see some comments and if that document changed your view about marijuana or not.


Some questions posted by another members in another forum and the answer:
QUOTE (Loveable;5208546)
This is like the 10Th thread.

on topic. ; Yes i believe it should remain illegal it's a drug that can cause physiatric problems etc, and it would put dealers out of jobs.


Dealers out of the job? SO???? Who cares about the dealers. They put unfair price on a easy grow plant. And we pay more taxes just for the government to try and bust them. And they are making enormous amount of money by sitting home. Legalizing it would create more jobs and bring more profit to the government.
It causes "physiatric" problems? What kind of problem is that? Never heard of it. You might also want to cite your sources.

QUOTE (Loveable;5208582)
I have my sources from school, it causes paranoia ect. Yeah puts dealers out of jobs!:(

Well that's what's the government doing. Give an excuse to make something illegal or otherwise why the hell it is NOT illegal?
The information you get at school is BS my friend and all of what you learnt has been scientifically proven wrong.

QUOTE (dam prayer noobs;5215020)
Drugs are already easily available to kids. Do you think drug dealers care about the age of their customers? It's easier for kids in some public schools to get cocaine and marijuana than for them to get alcohol.

Yep, thats true. Which kind of dealer will buy alcohol and sell it to minors these days? Not worth the money or the effort. And what will be his profit in the end anyway? Legalizing marijuana will keep it away from children (HIGHLY DON'T RECOMMEND MARIJUANA REGULAR SMOKING FOR PEOPLE UNDER 19)

QUOTE (Rsbot king botter)
Yes it should, why should it? cause its dangerous in the wrong hands, it can kill i think and thats why

Explain how please. How does it kill? I'm guessing you're one of those people who have never tried it and haven't really researched it and learned the truth, but I was like that one day too, but please at least look more into it other than just assuming that it kills people because your D.A.R.E. officer told you that.
All of anti-drugs organization got WRONG information about marijuana. They got some list of symptoms that has been proven WRONG. (I agree with short memory loss, but when they say it fries your brain, or I even heard it may grow boobies in men. NOW that's REALLY STUPID!)

QUOTE (Jackwootton;5316151)
Marijuana should stay illegal, as it can fudge up your brain, and also, can be worse being "high when driving" then being "drunk when driving".

Remember kids, dont drink and drive, you might spill the drink wink.gif

Drinking alcohol is proved to be way more dangerous than smoking marijuana. Don't even get me started on the drunk drivers... You already know it.
Never heard of someone killing someone in a car accident while being 'intoxicated'.

QUOTE (AccountS3ller;5410903)
Please consider this post,And read it.I used to smoke weed with my friends all the time,Sold it,Destributed it to my friends and there friends,Ran from the police high with my friends and do generally stupid things,And they would be the funniest moments ever,Then one day i borrowd a bong from my friend,Got caught with it in my car,Now im on probation about to be sent to bootcamp.That's not the point.

My friend was cool,We smoked and drank and had fun skateboarding...Now its almost a year later,I do not smoke at all as of now.He doesnt keep in touch with me.He just smokes weed with his girlfriend all day.He quit skateboarding.It's actually sort of sad..

As for it being legal or not,Im not saying it should or should not be,But the chances of getting robbed in a deal,shot in a deal,Or getting laced weed (worse than being robbed or shot,iv got it before,i was very angry) are very high,I had bought and sold weed alot back in 08,And 3 times I got some laced marijuana,It was not fun,The night i smoked this brown sticky rock weed,Watching tv and on myspace,Then my heart races,I jump out of my seat in a panic attack about to warn my friend on myspace not to smoke it,It was to late,He sent me some dumb message where he couldn't even type correctly.As i was saying I jumped out of my seat..Ran into my bathroom looked in a mirror,Laid on my bed with every part of my body twitching.I watched the clock from 11 pm -2 am.It was a bad experience,From that day on i never really looked at weed the same again.Nobody has died from it,But it tends to put people in dangerous situations,Especially when smoking it with your friends on streets,Or buying it from a local drug dealer.

Also,I even smoked weed and played rs,It made me get way into the game,But unless everything was set up for what i was about to do on RS,I would just sit and stare at my bank,lol.

Don't you realize that all the bad situation you been through are actually a result of the "prohibition" of marijuana?
That's why IT SHOULD BE LEGALIZED.

if any family member finds out i have done it before, this is what ill show them. My friends mom was really chill about his brother smoking. Hell, he did it in the house. (bowl method?)
Golf Foxtrot Sierra
Marijuana reduces the ability of the brain to prioritize information and planned actions. That makes it less safe for someone to drive while influenced by marijuana, because drivers need to prioritize roadside and on-road information.
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Why is marijuana "healthier" than nicotine? Aren't both essentially filling your lungs with smoke?

That's like saying breathing in some smoke from a barbecue is the same thing as lighting a tire on fire in your closet and inhaling. tongue.gif

It's about the contents of the smoke- and tobacco smoke has far more carcinogenic properties than marijuana smoke. (Marijuana has even been shown as an anti-carcinogenic.)


Maybe we should think less about ourselves and realize the consequential effects it can have on others.

It's not really the health effects on the individual but what impact it can cause on others.


I believe you're right. If taking harmful drugs only affected the single person, all drugs would be available to people over a certain age, wouldn't they? It only becomes illegal when it's dangerous to other people or there are drug dealers pushing drugs on people.

Marijuana isn't dangerous to other people.

Did I say it was in that post?
But it is as potentially harmful to others as alcohol, in that if someone's driving a car while high, they have a higher possibility of having an accident.

That's debatable. There's evidence on both sides of that claim- there's been some research that has proven that you are a safer driver when high, and there's been some evidence that driving while high reduces competency.

The Department of Motor Vehicles notes that, after alcohol, cannabis is the leading cause of motor vehicle accidents.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Motor_Vehicles

I think you're just affixing that for the sake of supporting your argument. That's like me saying that doctors believe that sticking large cumbersome objects up your ass helps irregularity.
Mohorak
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Why is marijuana "healthier" than nicotine? Aren't both essentially filling your lungs with smoke?

That's like saying breathing in some smoke from a barbecue is the same thing as lighting a tire on fire in your closet and inhaling. tongue.gif

It's about the contents of the smoke- and tobacco smoke has far more carcinogenic properties than marijuana smoke. (Marijuana has even been shown as an anti-carcinogenic.)


Maybe we should think less about ourselves and realize the consequential effects it can have on others.

It's not really the health effects on the individual but what impact it can cause on others.


I believe you're right. If taking harmful drugs only affected the single person, all drugs would be available to people over a certain age, wouldn't they? It only becomes illegal when it's dangerous to other people or there are drug dealers pushing drugs on people.

Marijuana isn't dangerous to other people.

Did I say it was in that post?
But it is as potentially harmful to others as alcohol, in that if someone's driving a car while high, they have a higher possibility of having an accident.

That's debatable. There's evidence on both sides of that claim- there's been some research that has proven that you are a safer driver when high, and there's been some evidence that driving while high reduces competency.

The Department of Motor Vehicles notes that, after alcohol, cannabis is the leading cause of motor vehicle accidents.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Motor_Vehicles

I think you're just affixing that for the sake of supporting your argument. That's like me saying that doctors believe that sticking large cumbersome objects up your ass helps irregularity.


LOL. The whole point of mentioning a source during a debate is to help your side of the debate. Only complete idiots wouldn't do that.
And your second comment is totally unrelated.
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Why is marijuana "healthier" than nicotine? Aren't both essentially filling your lungs with smoke?

That's like saying breathing in some smoke from a barbecue is the same thing as lighting a tire on fire in your closet and inhaling. tongue.gif

It's about the contents of the smoke- and tobacco smoke has far more carcinogenic properties than marijuana smoke. (Marijuana has even been shown as an anti-carcinogenic.)


Maybe we should think less about ourselves and realize the consequential effects it can have on others.

It's not really the health effects on the individual but what impact it can cause on others.


I believe you're right. If taking harmful drugs only affected the single person, all drugs would be available to people over a certain age, wouldn't they? It only becomes illegal when it's dangerous to other people or there are drug dealers pushing drugs on people.

Marijuana isn't dangerous to other people.

Did I say it was in that post?
But it is as potentially harmful to others as alcohol, in that if someone's driving a car while high, they have a higher possibility of having an accident.

That's debatable. There's evidence on both sides of that claim- there's been some research that has proven that you are a safer driver when high, and there's been some evidence that driving while high reduces competency.

The Department of Motor Vehicles notes that, after alcohol, cannabis is the leading cause of motor vehicle accidents.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Department_of_Motor_Vehicles

I think you're just affixing that for the sake of supporting your argument. That's like me saying that doctors believe that sticking large cumbersome objects up your ass helps irregularity.


LOL. The whole point of mentioning a source during a debate is to help your side of the debate. Only complete idiots wouldn't do that.
And your second comment is totally unrelated.


You didn't mention a source though. You affixed "department of motor vehicles" when there are 60+ of them in the states and Canada. Surely, there isn't a unanimous opinion on the issue by every single department of motor vehicles in the US and Canada.

Only complete idiots would cite broad sources, like it'll be stupid for me to say doctors belive that sticking large cumbersome objects up your ass helps irregularity, when the American Medical Association (an association that doesn't represent every doctor in this world) believes so.

See the difference?
Gillis
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I've only driven high once and it was for about 100 feet, but I drove like 3 mph the entire time. There was no way I was getting in an accident. If anything, it makes you a safer driver.


That's not safer. Drunk people do the same thing and it gets them into accidents. You can get a ticket for going too far under the speed limit just like you can while speeding.

Drunk people are not more cautious. They do not bother to go slowly. Plus the ticket is completely irrelevant. If you are going 10 mph under the speed limit because you're high, that's much safer. I'm not advocating driving while high; you just can't say that doing it is extremely dangerous.
Mohorak
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I've only driven high once and it was for about 100 feet, but I drove like 3 mph the entire time. There was no way I was getting in an accident. If anything, it makes you a safer driver.


That's not safer. Drunk people do the same thing and it gets them into accidents. You can get a ticket for going too far under the speed limit just like you can while speeding.

Drunk people are not more cautious. They do not bother to go slowly.

That's completely untrue. The common signs of drunk driving are erratic driving, speeding, and excessively slow driving. And DMV I'm quoting is the NJ MVA.
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I've only driven high once and it was for about 100 feet, but I drove like 3 mph the entire time. There was no way I was getting in an accident. If anything, it makes you a safer driver.


That's not safer. Drunk people do the same thing and it gets them into accidents. You can get a ticket for going too far under the speed limit just like you can while speeding.

Drunk people are not more cautious. They do not bother to go slowly.

That's completely untrue. The common signs of drunk driving are erratic driving, speeding, and excessively slow driving. And DMV I'm quoting is the NJ MVA.

nice going, contradicting yourself in one sentence dry.gif

do you even read what you quote?
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I've only driven high once and it was for about 100 feet, but I drove like 3 mph the entire time. There was no way I was getting in an accident. If anything, it makes you a safer driver.


That's not safer. Drunk people do the same thing and it gets them into accidents. You can get a ticket for going too far under the speed limit just like you can while speeding.

Drunk people are not more cautious. They do not bother to go slowly.

That's completely untrue. The common signs of drunk driving are erratic driving, speeding, and excessively slow driving. And DMV I'm quoting is the NJ MVA.

nice going, contradicting yourself in one sentence dry.gif

do you even read what you quote?


Actually he isn't contradicting himself. He's saying that you can be speeding, or you can be driving slowly, but of course, not at the same time.

Do you even know what a contradiction is?
Mohorak
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I've only driven high once and it was for about 100 feet, but I drove like 3 mph the entire time. There was no way I was getting in an accident. If anything, it makes you a safer driver.


That's not safer. Drunk people do the same thing and it gets them into accidents. You can get a ticket for going too far under the speed limit just like you can while speeding.

Drunk people are not more cautious. They do not bother to go slowly.

That's completely untrue. The common signs of drunk driving are erratic driving, speeding, and excessively slow driving. And DMV I'm quoting is the NJ MVA.

nice going, contradicting yourself in one sentence dry.gif

do you even read what you quote?


Actually he isn't contradicting himself. He's saying that you can be speeding, or you can be driving slowly, but of course, not at the same time.

Do you even know what a contradiction is?


Thank you, you understand English.
King Jogy
Why not be able to smoke weed?

If you want to screw up your brian cells then do it.

If kids are dumb enough to do it, let em do it.

It makes them want to do it 10x more because it illegal and they think its "cool"
Gillis
QUOTE (King Jogy @ Oct 30 2009, 11:03 PM) *
Why not be able to smoke weed?

If you want to screw up your brian cells then do it.

If kids are dumb enough to do it, let em do it.

It makes them want to do it 10x more because it illegal and they think its "cool"

Doesn't screw up your brain cells.
It's not a dumb thing to do.
People don't do it because it's illegal. That only applies to teenagers that get drunk.
King Jogy
Then I must be wrong, but your tell me Weed HAS no side-effects or anything that can harm you in it?
Gillis
QUOTE (King Jogy @ Oct 30 2009, 11:16 PM) *
Then I must be wrong, but your tell me Weed HAS no side-effects or anything that can harm you in it?

It gets me out of shape faster than sitting around doing nothing would but I wouldn't consider that harm.
Riddick
QUOTE (King Jogy @ Oct 31 2009, 05:16 PM) *
Then I must be wrong, but your tell me Weed HAS no side-effects or anything that can harm you in it?

It's different for each person. You could smoke it your whole life and be fine. But someone else could have one cone and get seriously fudgeed up.
Definition
QUOTE (King Jogy @ Oct 31 2009, 02:16 AM) *
Then I must be wrong, but your tell me Weed HAS no side-effects or anything that can harm you in it?


You're confusing marijuana with ecstasy or heroin.
Lol
I loved the part of the movie where the guy asks, "What was the FIRST prohibition" and he responds "Alcohol" he says, "Wrong, Adam and Eve couldn't eat the apples. Who was the cop? *points up* How many people did he have to watch? *holds up two fingers*" It was hilarious and at the same time, true.

Marijuana should be legal, the government can tax the hell out of it.
Samurai Kenji

QUOTE
Marijuana should be legal, the government can tax the hell out of it.



Except as I'm sure I've said many times already anyone who buys that garbage the government produces either has no self-respect or is a moron, most would rather continue smoking illegally then have to smoke that cow bile making taxes redundant and a waste of paper and ink.
Definition
QUOTE (Meidou @ Oct 31 2009, 05:39 PM) *
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Marijuana should be legal, the government can tax the hell out of it.



Except as I'm sure I've said many times already anyone who buys that garbage the government produces either has no self-respect or is a moron, most would rather continue smoking illegally then have to smoke that cow bile making taxes redundant and a waste of paper and ink.


You Canadians, with your socialized medicines, canadair jets and phones!!!!! pieces of junk!!!!
lilshu
QUOTE (Meidou @ Oct 31 2009, 04:39 PM) *
QUOTE
Marijuana should be legal, the government can tax the hell out of it.



Except as I'm sure I've said many times already anyone who buys that garbage the government produces either has no self-respect or is a moron, most would rather continue smoking illegally then have to smoke that cow bile making taxes redundant and a waste of paper and ink.

I'm not sure why you're confusing government regulated with government produced.
Gillis
QUOTE (Meidou @ Oct 31 2009, 02:39 PM) *
QUOTE
Marijuana should be legal, the government can tax the hell out of it.



Except as I'm sure I've said many times already anyone who buys that garbage the government produces either has no self-respect or is a moron, most would rather continue smoking illegally then have to smoke that cow bile making taxes redundant and a waste of paper and ink.

Since when does the government grow marijuana? Even if they did, who says that it would be "cow bile"? huh.gif
Egghebrecht
QUOTE (Gillis @ Nov 1 2009, 09:46 PM) *
QUOTE (Meidou @ Oct 31 2009, 02:39 PM) *
QUOTE
Marijuana should be legal, the government can tax the hell out of it.



Except as I'm sure I've said many times already anyone who buys that garbage the government produces either has no self-respect or is a moron, most would rather continue smoking illegally then have to smoke that cow bile making taxes redundant and a waste of paper and ink.

Since when does the government grow marijuana? Even if they did, who says that it would be "cow bile"? huh.gif

the Belgian government does for medicinal reasons
and it's known to be disgusting

so disgusting even that the people who use it as a prescribed painkiller rather buy it illegal or drive to the Netherlands for it

and i guess it's the same where Meidou lives tongue.gif
ii FEAR ii Calvin
A good enough reason for it to be legal is the fact is that if the goverment allowed Marijuana to be marketed like it does Cigarettes, then they could enforce regulations and what not. Just like there is so many kinds of Cigarettes then can be the the same for pot. Plus if it's in a store sold like cigarettes then hell you know you're not buy laced stuff and you don't have to deal with potentially dangerous people.
Gillis
QUOTE (ii FEAR ii Calvin @ Nov 5 2009, 10:56 PM) *
A good enough reason for it to be legal is the fact is that if the goverment allowed Marijuana to be marketed like it does Cigarettes, then they could enforce regulations and what not. Just like there is so many kinds of Cigarettes then can be the the same for pot. Plus if it's in a store sold like cigarettes then hell you know you're not buy laced stuff and you don't have to deal with potentially dangerous people.

Weed is very rarely laced with anything and there are already different types.
Redicaluss
If they legalize it, I won't be very happy but I won't get up in a fuss. However, if the government tries to regulate it like they do smoking after that, then I'll have a problem.

But on the other side, the effects of your high can be considered as the same for getting drunk. When you drink, you can set a limit before you get drunk. Marajuana, on the other hand, takes a while for a resisitance to the high to kick in. I'm just worried about the possible public safety if marajuana induced conduct became prevalent.
Samurai Kenji
QUOTE
Since when does the government grow marijuana? Even if they did, who says that it would be "cow bile"?


Medical Marijuana, it's not that hard to find a sickly old man willing to share and it does in fact taste like "cow bile".

QUOTE
about the possible public safety if marajuana induced conduct became prevalent.


Inorite, those damn stoners are dangerous people.

But in all seriousness unless your referring to driving while high i don't quite see the public safety issues. In fact it does quite the opposite of making someone dangerous.
donky200
QUOTE (Definition @ Oct 31 2009, 03:59 PM) *
QUOTE (King Jogy @ Oct 31 2009, 02:16 AM) *
Then I must be wrong, but your tell me Weed HAS no side-effects or anything that can harm you in it?


You're confusing marijuana with ecstasy or heroin.




I agree with Heroin but we have yet to find out how neuro toxic mdma is

here is something for people to read

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_...toxicity1.shtml



any ways here are several links which cover alot of topics which have been disscuessed in this thread

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_health3.shtml

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/conte...2501729_pf.html

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_driving.shtml

http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/cannabis_info8.shtml


We Live in a society where Nature has been deemed illegal. We also live in a society where a chemical which occurs naturally in our brain has been deemed illegal I personaly find that there is something wrong with that
One
People who use it irresponsibly and get harmful reactions have nobody to blame but themselves. Why the hell is the world so fudgeing paranoid and out there to restrict people doing anything. It makes no sense. People take drugs all the time, I don't see why the media has to boost their opinions and certain close minded individuals get their sob stories published along with their own opinions about drugs. All everyone ever does is conform, conforming is good but personally I think it's getting to the stage where we are just to restricted. If science proves to me that smoking tobacco is bad then I agree with that and I don't want to be around anyone smoking. Drugs should be legal to those who want to take them without the external effects on other people. Why the fudge is the world just so...arrogant.
Redicaluss
QUOTE (Samurai Kenji @ Nov 8 2009, 10:16 AM) *
QUOTE
Since when does the government grow marijuana? Even if they did, who says that it would be "cow bile"?


Medical Marijuana, it's not that hard to find a sickly old man willing to share and it does in fact taste like "cow bile".

QUOTE
about the possible public safety if marajuana induced conduct became prevalent.


Inorite, those damn stoners are dangerous people.

But in all seriousness unless your referring to driving while high i don't quite see the public safety issues. In fact it does quite the opposite of making someone dangerous.


That's actually exactly what I was talking about. High drivers is a scary concept for me.
lilshu
Why does legalization of marijuana mean there are more high drivers on the road? Wouldn't anyone who would drive high already be driving high even with it illegal? huh.gif
donky200
QUOTE (Redicaluss @ Nov 9 2009, 05:14 PM) *
QUOTE (Samurai Kenji @ Nov 8 2009, 10:16 AM) *
QUOTE
Since when does the government grow marijuana? Even if they did, who says that it would be "cow bile"?


Medical Marijuana, it's not that hard to find a sickly old man willing to share and it does in fact taste like "cow bile".

QUOTE
about the possible public safety if marajuana induced conduct became prevalent.


Inorite, those damn stoners are dangerous people.

But in all seriousness unless your referring to driving while high i don't quite see the public safety issues. In fact it does quite the opposite of making someone dangerous.


That's actually exactly what I was talking about. High drivers is a scary concept for me.



If you had read my link that I posted you would be more scared of drunk drivers
Definition
My friend has a compassionate care card, but doesn't use it because they government taxes the hell out of it. Since it's legal, they get to jack up the prices for higher profit. There's less competition here than California.
Golf Foxtrot Sierra
QUOTE (donky200 @ Nov 10 2009, 06:02 PM) *
QUOTE (Redicaluss @ Nov 9 2009, 05:14 PM) *
QUOTE (Samurai Kenji @ Nov 8 2009, 10:16 AM) *
QUOTE
Since when does the government grow marijuana? Even if they did, who says that it would be "cow bile"?


Medical Marijuana, it's not that hard to find a sickly old man willing to share and it does in fact taste like "cow bile".

QUOTE
about the possible public safety if marajuana induced conduct became prevalent.


Inorite, those damn stoners are dangerous people.

But in all seriousness unless your referring to driving while high i don't quite see the public safety issues. In fact it does quite the opposite of making someone dangerous.

That's actually exactly what I was talking about. High drivers is a scary concept for me.

If you had read my link that I posted you would be more scared of drunk drivers

Dude, a driver who's high is less likely to properly prioritize what he's seeing. That's pretty fudgeing dangerous if you ask me.
Choclat Puddin
I know a lot of people here are younger, so I'm expecting many of the younger ones (Not in high school yet) to be against weed. But the truth is like most kids, they will end up doing it.

I believe weed is getting closer and closer to being legalized. A lot of people now think weed should be legalized, and rightfully so. It's not physically addictive, so the only cravings will be psychological. You would have to smoke a godly amount to overdose in under 15 minutes, which is impossible. It can help those with cancer and pain to relax and make things easier, those with eating disorders to eat more, and those with insomnia to sleep better. Things can be much more enjoyable. Food tastes better, things are funnier, sex feels better, and it's relatively safe except for the fact that you're inhaling smoke, which can be fixed with a vaporizer.

People say it's a gateway drug, but I could say water is a gateway to alcohol, and many people that I know that smoke weed are very much against using pills/coke/heroin, and one of the main reasons they smoke weed is because it's not dangerous. The last thing I say is that it's a lot more costly to keep cannabis illegal. It costs the government billions to continue prohibition.

I could have made this post a lot cleaner and better constructed, but I have to go somewhere, sorry.

EDIT: On the topic of driving high, it's never a good idea, although most drivers that are high will drive a lot slower because they're usually scared of an accident.
Arkwright
This isn't just about a war on drugs, this is also about a war on personal freedom.
The criminalization of weed keeps jobs, and takes away jobs. It helps the alcohol industry. It contains a counter culture, and it maintains "social well being."

It should be legalized for many reasons. It is wrong that killer drugs like alcohol and tobbacco kills thousands, upon thousands of people- each year - and they are perfectly legal and accessible. Marijuana has also proven to be realistically, though not always subjectively, safe and is not determinally damaging to your health.

It is harmless, and the only time it is dangerous is in the hands of some drug dealers and gangs. Sure, it powerfully mentally intoxicating- like alcohol - but the primitive indifferences are just as great as the actual differences. The state in which marijuana puts one in usually calms the user down, and creates a sense of laxidazical bliss. Not intoxicated stupidity and rage like alcohol.
Lol
If you actually watched the movie, you'll see how marijuana isn't really harmful.

inb4lock.

aware.gif
Arkwright
QUOTE (Lol @ Dec 20 2009, 06:45 PM) *
If you actually watched the movie, you'll see how marijuana isn't really harmful.

inb4lock.

aware.gif


This thread isn't going to be locked because it is about marijuana.
I'll say it, I smoke weed. I advocate weed. It feels relaxing, and pleasurable. When used chronically, it can slow your mind down, but when you stop it returns to normal. I never felt that there was any damage or long lasting changes from marijuana use.

Toad
QUOTE (Arkwright @ Dec 21 2009, 05:59 AM) *
QUOTE (Lol @ Dec 20 2009, 06:45 PM) *
If you actually watched the movie, you'll see how marijuana isn't really harmful.

inb4lock.

aware.gif


This thread isn't going to be locked because it is about marijuana.

Nah, it'll be locked because of the 1 month bump a few posts back wink.gif
Lol
QUOTE (Arkwright @ Dec 21 2009, 12:59 AM) *
QUOTE (Lol @ Dec 20 2009, 06:45 PM) *
If you actually watched the movie, you'll see how marijuana isn't really harmful.

inb4lock.

aware.gif


This thread isn't going to be locked because it is about marijuana.
I'll say it, I smoke weed. I advocate weed. It feels relaxing, and pleasurable. When used chronically, it can slow your mind down, but when you stop it returns to normal. I never felt that there was any damage or long lasting changes from marijuana use.

I meant because of the bump wink.gif.
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