When I heard the new chat mods came from my friend,my first question was "Who now?", then I arrive on the Sals homepage to see yet again more new moderates who barely play/join the chat. It seems to be getting consistent now, and half of the mods are quitting, only to be replaced by mods who barely play.

I can vouch to say however Yoko actually does play, as for the other too, Zelly is on sometimes and I've seen the other only once. Ty for half inactive mods. And yes, this is a rant, next time, pick people who actually join the cc on a far more regular basis than 10 minutes a day. This is a rant, don't mistake it for anything else, and don't hate noobs....

i agre taker 4 cc mod@@@@

I agree with you, I've only seen one of the people on that list recently. D:

There is this one mod, who doesnt deserve it, I think he knows who he is.

Anyways, striving for mod isn't the way to go, if you looked closer into the matter it's just yeah.
I have seen soo many contributers over my year(s) here, Roy, why doesn't he get mod?

Just don't use sals chat if you don't like how it works. (You get wannabe reported all the time there btw)

In my eyes before I left the forums ages ago, I just saw everyone who got something rankish were well known for something, I still believe people who dedicate guides, and information should get it, and it should be a requirement. I don't want to see some randoms who are just "popular" getting these ranks.
Dedication to the item base please.

EDITED: Why?
Because this mod has warned me for a stupid reason before, he might do it again LOL!

I might also add, during Australian times, there are less mods around, perhaps 0 because for the plain reason the current mods can only suggest people in their timezones (unless they are complete nolifes like some).
So that might be the reason why you don't see these people.

-Ming

Because our standards don't just include activity level and we decided those three were currently the best fit for those standards.


People who dedicate guides/information aren't necessarily going to be good CC moderators, so no, it shouldn't be a requirement.


Who's going to promote someone nobody's ever heard of? I doubt much of anyone. Trust me, popularity isn't even a fraction of it.

He? I thought they were all girls...?

EDIT: Nevermind, fail.

Can you honestly give me one good reason why the mods have to be on constantly?

The OP didn't say constantly. He was explaining how some of these people have gone inactive for quite some time, then came back for a short period of time and received rank. He is also explaining that this particular promotion isn't that dissimilar to previous promotions along the same line.

I just don't understand why it is a big deal. It's not as if the cc is bombarded by spammers and whatnot. Making these promotions pretty trivial anyway.

Like Vogrinjr said. A contributor does not mean a CC mod. And the fact that I've never, ever seen Roy in the CC in all my time.

Sure, you get reported, but not at the rates you're saying. Just don't be stupid and you won't get reported.


Ranks should go to mature members who are capable of dealing with requests/power, not those who contribute the most. Otherwise any member could get in.

Actually, we kinda are. It was getting slightly sketchy in there now that a lot of us are more inactive thanks to school.

And I can assure you that all three of those moderators are at least moderately active. If you don't see them all on very often, it's probably because of time zones and personal timing.

Pick Clan chat Moderators like Sleepy. I'm not sure if that's the case, but if they aren't consistently in the clan chat they don't deserve the position...

We don't have to have Clan Chat Moderators that play the game 24/7, that's the whole point of having a team. From what I can see we should be able to cover the timezones better than we could before. There may be periods of no Ranked players in the chat, but we do have lives outside of the game.

Suggesting players for moderation only makes it less likely for them to be chosen.


No, honestly, who?
On top of that Forums are considered completely separate from the chat.


Like I said before the Chat is considered a completely separate entity from the forums. And no, we're not going to promote contributors who rarely log in to a chat moderator. If we see you in the chat, we consider you mature, you are considered, it gets a lot more complicated from there, and considering we've been discussing promotions for months I hardly think are choices are random.


Mind giving us the hours you play then?



There's this little thing called Reality which includes school, job search, and a small social life.

Sorry I have been barely logging on at the moment when I've been busy with school quite a bit, but that should be changing soon. Besides I wouldn't promote the vast majority of the chat for quite a while simply for the reason that too many of them would instantaneously let power go to their heads and I don't trust enough to work as a team.



Mind stating what this so called stupid reason was? Preferably in a pm, I'm curious.

When we chose the moderators we looked for many different qualities, most definitely activity was our 2nd highest priority. I can assure you all 3 are regular chat members, and are definitely not new to the chat. As a team we cover a 24 hour range (which has been harder with alot of people going inactive), so we notice who is most active and we note them for their qualities put them in numberous votes till they are shortlisted and get a 100% yes vote (which non of the other 20+ people shortlisted for nominations.) You can probably understand that you may be in the chat 4-6 hours a day max, however the chat is a 24 hour thing so you can only ever see 1/4 or at max 1/2 of those in the clan.



We've had almost 1000 cases which required serious action in the last 2 years.

You know that when you complain about activity it makes it look like you're feeling butthurt about not being picked yourself. If you're going to complain about cc mod suitability, mention things like how Tabt secretly sodomizes newbies when none of the mods are around, how Zelly likes to use an autotyper to spam the cc with Viagra ads, or how Yoko spends all day threatening the world about what she would do if she had a single ounce of power.

Activity was something that we were putting before maturity during the voting process, and it wasn't getting anywhere. Just look around Sal's. Tons of admins, mods and DMs have been promoted over the years, but most of them have thrown down the mantle for one reason or another.

Pointing out that people who have been promoted in the past have gone off and quit and that we promote new people who also go off and quit is completely irrelevant. This is exactly why we have promotions. If no one ever quit then there would obviously be no need for more promotions.

Not everyone has their life revolve around the forums or Runescape, and if it does, it won't always be that way, so it makes sense that getting promoted now doesn't mean you have to be saddled with it forever. Asking for zombie-robot mods that are consistently active from the minute they're promoted until the end of the universe is just silly.

Which is perfectly understood. I agree.


I thought the case the thread creator was making is that they were rarely in the clan chat.

You can't say that unless you're on 168 hours a week, because those people might just be in one of the other 20+ time zones around the world. Sleepy nailed it on the head, also.

Henceforth, this leads us to think: one shouldn't be a member because he made a stupid post and might do it again LOL! Riiiiiiight.

Like Dani said, time zones are the main reason you probably haven't seen a third of these mods. Notice that practically everyone hasn't seen at least one of the people nominated, and that it's a different candidate for every person?

Sleepy assumed that it was pretty obvious why this is the case.

If it was everyone saying that they've never seen Yoko online, or Tabt, or Zelly (this is the exclusive use of the word "or" here) then it would be different, but it's not so. Like Dani said, no one can be online 24/7, which is why we have three people from three different time zones. Tabt is on late at night in Sleepy's time zone so Sleepy sees Tabby all the time. Yoko is on during the day when Sleepy is at school and when she is sleeping, so Sleepy doesn't see much of her (but all you diurnal North Americans spot her in the chat all the time), and Zelly comes online between these two, so Sleepy sees a moderate amount of Zelly. This issue came up during the promotions too, since a lot of the day crew has never seen Tabby, and a lot of the night crew had never seen Yoko, but it was eventually sorted out as a time zone thing.

Once again, activity, not the main issue, and complaining about it just brings yourself down.

Best post in this topic. Really I don't have anything else to add to it.
If you think about it Yoko, Zelly and Tabt are active members that have contributed to the clan chat and forums in a positive way they don't start pointless arguments (really I've never seen Zelly, Yoko or Tabt arguing, spamming or trolling that chat and thats more important than being active or popular.). Like sleepy mentioned Blake it seems your just a little bit jealous you didn't get promoted.

/sarcasm

Hence the @@@s and the fact that Taker quit RS.

Surely thats a very very bad idea? If we suggest players who the forum thinks are worthy isn't that the best way of gonig about it. I know it was originally done that way and it led to spam, but jsut because someone is suggested for moderation shouldn't mean they are rejected for being popular. If the cc mods are liked more people will listen to them and hence less bans will be needed to be given out.

I think Slei meant those asking for or asking friend to ask for promotion as they are usually acting abnormally to gain approval.

Slei i wouldn't talk because you probably haven't been on in the past 6 months. And don't tell me how would I know because I have spies sir.

Blake no need to complain. Tabt, Yoko and Zelly are 3 of the most acitve members. I know this becauase nearly everyday I end up saying this in the clan: Tabtbabtbatbabtabtbabtabt@!@!, Zellyjackiechan! or ohai yoko So that means they are active.

what is your problem?

since you got banned from the clanchat for being a troll you start trying to make trouble here too?

so why don't you just shut up and go sit in the banned corner with the other trolls

thank you

Last Night I was on, Hi, reality check.

I do log on, even if for only a few minutes at a time multiple times throughout the day. I just don't play for hours like I used to, sorry, didn't know it was a crime to try and change a habit.

You know what my problem is? These CC mods are undeserving. There are people that I can name off my head that are in cc all the time and are friendly and nice. I don't even know who yoko? is and tabt?

Then you are admitting to violating your suspension correct?

Yoko, Tabt, are in different timezones then you.

Also just because people don't talk when they're in the clan chat doesn't mean they aren't there.

Well if they don't talk how do you know if they are deserving

Just because they don't talk in the clan chat doesn't mean they don't communicate with people. You still haven't answered my first question.
You are admitting to breaking your indefinite suspension, correct? You honestly have no say regarding the chat as you are banned until we decide to revoke it. If you wish to continue causing trouble regarding the chat on the forums, I'll have nothing more to do with you and everyone else can decide what they want to do.

Just because you don't know who people are doesn't mean they don't deserve it.
Tabt is online literally right now, and maybe you're just in different timezones.
Stop whining, they got picked because they meet what the mods want in cc mods - there are some people that would make good cc mods but wont get picked because mods aren't needed to cover their timezones.

lets find person in world with fastest reaction time and make him/her play rs so he/she can be mod!!

As long as there is at least one mod at every time of day, I am not fussed.

That's just petty and has nothing to do with the argument. Contribute or leave please?
But seriously, the new CC mods are fine.

That explains a lot, no one actually wanted me to be a CC mod until after something happened that I am not allowed to say here. Now I've quit.

Also, I knew by the title of this thread that it was a rant. No one who complains about new CC mods would be happy about new mods chosen that are not them. They are three very helpful players and although I've become inactive in game, wish them luck and good times in the clan chat.

Also, when I see Yoko, Zelly, and Tabt on, it's usually when no other moderator is on. If there are other moderators on, so what? The time zones and activity of the members are considered carefully.

Everyone stop complaining and using your own desire as a mask like saying "Omg Roy should be mod" because you're just irony-ing yourself out. Roy is hardly active in the CC. Don't get me wrong, that is not a bad thing. That's actually very smart of you, Roy. Some people just chose to be helpful in a different way. Some like him get negative warns based on their help on the forums. It does not mean the person has to be a well-rounded person on the forums and in game to become a CC mod.

In only two years, I've come to believe that "*Person* should be mod" only means "Me next though".

I've read Easl's comment now, and believe that no matter what, if someone is not promoted, there will be rants. Even if everyone in Sal's who ever came in chat had a General rank, there'd be rants.

Yeah he ban evaded loads.


And wow, stop being like this, first of all if you haven't seen Tab, Zelly or Yoko it's probably because of time zones, I have seen a bit of Yoko and Zelly because of those stupid timezones, but other mods who see them a lot know what they are doing and after reading about those two I'm sure they were a great pick, Tabby too, I see her a lot though.

I think Sleepy's comment sums the whole argument up.. And if this was Facebook, I'd 'like' Eggs comment.

Dj

Stop being such a jerk and live with it. I used to think you were cool but over summer you've obviously gone through puberty. Whining isn't going to make a difference so just let it go.

I think this thread needs closing.

Amen Dj

I 100% agree, too many promotions are more popularity based rather than how much they deserve it.

I think you're forgetting that popular people are more likely to come in front of our minds then people we've never heard of, honestly, we were debating for months over different people, a lot of our issue was "they're timezone is already covered", and "are they mature?" Honestly it's been ongoing for at least 3 months, and the mods we've chosen were the ones we believed best to be outside the standard time zones, or did you forget some of the promotions people complained about people who they don't know who were chosen, like say Mytheiya who seems to have fallen off the face of the earth.

This has been a problem for the past 6 months or so. Its nothing new, but nothing is being done about it.

What exactly are you referring to here? Quite a few things things have been discussed in this topic now.



Stating that people are being chosen for the wrong reasons is just.. silly. I'm unaware of when some of you guys became involved in the nominating/voting process

Timezones should have absolutely no affect on choosing a player to moderate the chat channel. I'm from the eastern USA (GMT -4 for DST) and you can find me online typically late at night between 10pm and 4am with periodic drop-ins during the day. It's actually a rare occurrence when I see a chat mod in during the late hours; this includes Imsleepy. My point is simple, if you're looking to cover as much of the day as possible, consider when the person is online, not what their timezone is. I wouldn't consider my play-time average because most people in this area are asleep at the time I decide to play, but my timezone is considered "standard". There are a couple others in this same group as me and I'm only using myself as an example. The couple I'm thinking of won't even be considered to be CC mods because their timezone is "standard," although they play at a time when no chat mod can be found. Things may be different with three new additions, so time will tell. Just something to keep in mind with your criteria for chat mods.

Of course when we've said "timezone", we're balling that up with "period of activity" as well. We are intelligent enough to realize people don't always play according to their timezone and can be insomniacs. To be honest, it just seems you're trying to jump on such a small thing that's obviously not an issue.

Believe me, we've hammered this promotion thing out well enough seeing as we've been doing it for a few years now already.

Then as far as I see it, I agree with these topics. You guys don't always do a good job choosing people that fill in the holes. That's what these topics are about, including this one specifically. Blake is saying there are people who would better suit this area, and people here are shoving "you just want to be a mod" down his throat. This is another constant problem throughout the community. Just because someone rants does not mean they want the job themselves. Believing this to be the case 100% of the time is bull...

If CC mods were chosen based on popularity, I'd see a lot more and different people chosen.

Agreed.

And ming, other than the fact I've never seen you in the CC Ming, I'm not sure how you're able to decide who's popular or not right now. Living in Australia makes it difficult when most players are American or European.

I don't understand. I've only been back in the chat for two weeks, but each and every time, I see a mod, even on my late-night playing. I've seen all the people that have been promoted in the chat many times, before and after. Don't assume. You could have asked other players about this first.

Yes I'm sure just saying "X should of gotten it" makes a lot of sense. The attitude as to why "you just want to be a mod" is due to the sheer reasons that people are complaining about people they never see or just say "X user should of got it". Yes, that's helpful, I'd actually look favorably upon people saying "X user should of gotten it BECAUSE A, B, C, D, E, & F." However that is my personal opinion. Just because that's the attitude does not mean everyone on either of the moderating teams agrees with it.

The OP has made one post in this 3-page thread and it seems he was giving a good reason to rant. No where in his post did he say, "X should have gotten it." He expressed what he didn't like and why he didn't like it.

That attitude is based solely on an assumption that every single person to register an account or join the chat wants to be a moderator. Everyone who has ever joined must desperately want to be a staff member. Yea, right. Throw out the assumption and get back on track. The OP expressed his feelings, so take them for face value as exactly what he said, and then reply accordingly. Leave your assumption behind.

We did and already explained it.

He accuses them of being inactive when the reason is timezones.
As for the mods retiring and being replaced, does that not also apply to the forum staff, hence retired mods? At this point this topic has been dragged out by those who just want to whine, I saw, ONE, one post suggesting a user, and that post did not include reasons why that person should even have been considered.

I made no assumptions as you want to call it.

Here's what I've said so far summarized since you can't get off your high horse of ALWAYS having to be right:

1. Suggesting Users for moderation only serves to make them less likely to be chosen, this is in effect even though I disagree with it
2. I asked who the 1 user who someone suggested in their post was as I have no idea who they are.
3. The Chat is considered a completely separate entity from the forums, thus contributing to the site has no bearing on getting a rank within the chat.
4. Requested the hours that someone played as they said moderators weren't on when they played.
5. Explained that reality comes before the virtual world
6. Asked what Ming's "Stupid Warn" was.
7. I've changed my habit from playing hours extensively to a few minutes around the day at various times.
8. Asked Breaker if he obviously broke his ban from the Clan Chat.
9. It's easier to have people in the front of our minds considered for promotion if they're considered popular (I'll give you guys a small inside peak at this, those ladies weren't even nominated until late last week/early this week after months of debate because we each had different problems with a number of those who were nominated).
10. I believe people should be allowed to be nominated if people gave reasons as to why they should be nominated.

I'm going to make a big reminder to you.

The first Clan Chat Moderator nominations were done by the community openly on a topic in the Announcements Forum.
A large number of people took this opportunity to make joke nominations (I'm sure you remember Elmo for example)
Had people actually taken it serious and didn't constantly make it a hassle for the moderators to sort through joke nominations and serious nominations it actually might of still been public, but as we've witnessed that doesn't work.