Well, as you can see China has improved A LOT in their military. By looking at their celebration parade, it looks like they got new weapons/tanks. But USA has also improved a lot so....its going to be a tough one between those 2 countries if they have a war and...from what it seems now, it looks like we are losing in Iraq/Afghanistan which is kinda bad for USA because those are 2 small countries and not with a lot of weapons...

I honestly think USA will win because they have better weapons/technology but not that much of a difference. But if USA does lose, they will no longer be the strongest country in the world and people would attack this country like no other

Discuss.

EDIT: This might not be the right spot for this topic so just tell me so i can tell a mod to move this

U.S because the U.S has to win everything like an immature older brother.


Also having nukes with such pinpoint accuracy that they can literally shoot one up there presidents ass is a bonus.

They both lose.

Nuclear war= Stalemate.

Due to a lack of modern equipment in the Chinese Air Force, I'm going to have to go with the US of A.

I don't know. China has a lot more man-power, but I don't know if they would have many allies that could help them out. The USA is more high-tech, and could probably get a good amount of help if the situation was dire enough.

All they have to do is demand the money we owe them. And they bankrupt America. Chinese win. Plus remember the Boxer rebellion? Browning machine guns were the only reason we won that. The sheer numbers would simply suffocate us.

China's got a whole lot more people, but they can't match the U.S. in technology and tactics. But why's it matter? This war would never happen. America is nothing without China, and China is nothing without America.

Psh, China always does stuff to make themselves look big and tough(which they are, but not as much as they sometimes seem)

Oh, I think it's only fair to point out that I read that China's navy is about 1/4 the size of the US Navy...

No-one would win, as no-one ever truly 'wins' in war. (Apart from the odd occasion)

China has many nukes.

But in war nobody wins.

Pfft. China has nearly four times as many people than USA, they need no allies.

But seriously, USA would win, easily. It would just take a long time, because there are so many Chinese.

Ya, your kinda right ..china has a lot of weapons but most of them are old/broken. But USA will lose a lot of men...

Probably America because they would force us (the UK) to take part, and we've never lost a war... apart from against America.

We're losing in Iraq/Afghanistan because it's not a war we've been accustomed to for two hundred years, like WWII (which is about the same proportions we're disucssing with a possible US vs. PRC war). A front-front war would be a lot different than an occupation, and it would be a battle of numbers of guns and slightly better technology against three times as many people. A very close battle, I have no idea who would win.

I watch a lot of movies about China and Vietnam or other countries leading to wars, but this one would make a GREAT movie. Simply the US because I think it has more veterans and people more dedicated?

The winners of wars are those who accomplish their objective.

I hate quoting video games for real situations, but that one hits the nail on the head, frankly.

If there's an ulterior motive, and it is accomplished, then the commander has won the war.

To be honest, it doesnt really matter how many men china has, as they have to equip and FEED them properly - high calorie, not just rice. the practical difficulties of doing this would be enormous. They would have to win in the first few months, even weeks, or food supplies at home would collapse from diversion to the army. Civilians would riot. Forces would need to be diverted.

Also, can you imagine the ammo needed? assume 5 million front line troops in action at one time (as a figure.) 3 30-round mags each = 450000000 cartridges, 2 grenades = 10 million grenades.

They just wouldn't have the equipment.

Very true. However I find it ironic, that we Americans did so well using guerrilla tactics against on occupying force, but once we become the occupying force, we become the ones with the trouble.

Wow, thats very true ...China would go into poverty real easy if they have a war against USA, America doesn't have a lot of men compared to China but America has more resources and technology

Good Post Longshanks

Try and beat that (Funny enough, the prologue to said game [you don't deserve civil rights if you don't know what game it is, btw] contains a war between China and the US (et al.), with China invading Alaska (and the US annexing Canada, eh))

Ok, seriously now: it's no use to win the war if you can't manage to win the peace afterwards.

And regarding the thread: nobody will win. The US could occupy the country militarily with (relatively) few troubles. Hell would start right afterwards, due to the immense territory of China which would take an insane amount of manpower to survey (let alone control!) and the ensuing guerrilla/resistance. It wouldn't be much different from Viet Nam...only a hundred times bigger. You'd need pretty much all the population of the US to even try to control the major areas of China: the mountainous regions would be still de facto independent, as they would be outside the occupying force's control.

And the situation would not change a lot if reversed: it's not as if the US are any smaller than China.

This is an interesting article on it: http://www.abytheliberal.com/world-politic...a#comment-52203 I personally don't know much on military, but I know Aby does.

Mother Russia?

In Soviet Russia, war wins YOU!!

My Point precisely.

Oh so china has given you a sneak peak into thier arsenal and let you have a chat with their military tacticians? I don't think any one knows Chinas true power. any way as Vera said before its irrelevant because it would never happen.

Afghanistan and Iraq are just like Vietnam

Yeah, their true power, brought about by knockoffs of MiG-21s and MiG-19s, with their epic jamming AK-47 knockoffs.

Some fudgeing power

You can't argue about the value of AK-47 as bludgeoning weapons, though. And in urban combat, anything goes.

You can bludgeon an A-10 all you want, but that won't make it explode

Ohaider. China isn't North Korea we actually know a bit about them. That's like me saying i don't know America's Power because i live bouncing between Japan and Canada. Trust me you can get a pretty good jist of any countries military just by googleing things aren't always hidden in top secret government files.

(SSAHGOUWRSHG I Can't type properly today qeaouijgho;)

China's hottest fighters are Su-27s and Su-30s, and they have double and low triple digit numbers of those.

I wouldn't be scared.

Me too, i wouldn't be scared either because most of their tanks/weapons are broken from what i know.

The Chinese knockoff of the AK-47 is well-known for not having any of the qualities of the AK-47 (durability, jam resistance, etc.)

In reading this discussion there is one quote that comes to mind, from an ex American officer named Fehrenbach.



Which is precisely how I see a potential Sino-U.S. War.

china would nuke us.
not with a bomb.
with their population. They will slowly over populate us, and then in the night. kill us.

You can still make it roll over, and in all movies EVERYTHING explodes when rolled over!!!

U.S Fires Nukes at China. U.S allies fire nukes at China. China fires nukes at U.S and U.S allies. China's allies fire nukes at U.S and U.S allies (those that have them). etc.

Result: everyone dies. Except for me, I am invincible! [/sarcasm]

I'm thinking that the winner would depend on how big a problem the countries have with each other. I mean, we're not going to nuke each other over something "small" (if there is something like that in war).

Also, the winner would probably depend on the country's citizens. If they stop supporting the war, then the government might go with the opposing team's conditions (partly like the Revolutionary War [Britain's people stopped supporting the war] and Vietnam [U.S. citizens protested immensely against involvement after a time])

Might is italicized because the government may just ignore of attack the protesters (like Tian An Men Square)

So the end result would either be a tie or a win by default.

Apache longbow

/end

If it's something 'small' you let your 'vassals' fight for you and you intervene only as help. See Korea, Viet Nam, Afghanistan. All of them were basically USA-USSR wars, only fought by their respective aligned countries (South Korea vs. BEST Korea, South Viet Nam vs. North Viet Nam, Afghani insurgents vs. Afghani golpists, etc.)

ya u got a point but we could shell the crap outta them

ka 50 i think China would get hold of those if they know war is coming
have fun the kamovs are more advanced in mechanical and pure power .
any heli vs R77/amram ...yeah

anyways i think china vs US alone china is gonna win
but since China is HUGELY dependent on russian gas and oil lines i KNOW Russia can turn the tide of the war and decively at that . how ever it would never come to nukes ,never we want war not total destruction

What's the difference?

Total destruction involves everything being, well, destroyed.
War is the path that leads to destruction.

What a silly question not america or china would win it would be New Zealand!

Wait, we're at war with China? USA would win, because we have 2600 nukes too many, and like Meidou said, they have pinpoint accuracy. Going to war with China would be stupid anyway. We rely on them too much, and 80% of the world's manufactured goods come out of there.

We're not losing in Afghanistan/Iraq, we're just not winning. It's sort of a stale mate

The US wouldn't actually resort to nukes until the conflict gets extremely out of hand, so unless this lasts for a REALLY long time, nukes wouldn't be involved.

And Birthday, this is just hypothetical.

I asked this because "if" we do go into a war with china, and i am not saying we are going to but if we do then who will win and yes I know that 80% of the stuff we use come from China

In Soviet Russia, war wins you!
no but really, america would win even though china has yellowman power.

Japan has yellowman power to and look at how well we did in WW2. Our yellowness doesn't give us any special superpowers sadly. (Unless you count being super sexy)