It costs £800 ($1304) to add 4 gigs of RAM to an iMac:

http://store.apple.com/uk/configure/MB420B/A?mco=MTEzOTYxMzc

Forget you Apple!

Apple and non apple people both know that this is a rip off and that they can order their RAM from newegg.

OMFG!!! Even the little tiny computer shop in my town has better deals then any of that! And GOD FORBID I hate ordering things off the computer!
lolwat

And THIS is why we keep telling people that Apple Macs are overpriced.

Or maybe you should let people buy the computer they want to buy.

They're not telling you not to buy it.

They're just telling you that half of the price is paying for the brand.

No, it's for the OS, which is amazing.

Macs don't need nearly as much RAM, though. I can easily run PS and AE CS4, play music through iTunes, talk to people on Adium etc. simultaneously and still make it run smoothly.

For crying out loud! Can't you keep this in your brain for more than a day?

You don't understand - Mac users don't use the best hardware or specs for the price - so yabbing on about that won't do anything, obviously it's something else that makes us buy them which Windows doesn't have.

THAT'S PRECISELY WHAT I JUST SAID!

If you're willing to take the compatibility hit that OSX gives you then Linux is your best option.

I know, I didn't intend to direct it at you

But your point that you should choose a Mac over a normal PC because it uses less resources is completely redundant.

That wasn't my point at all - people were complaining about how little RAM you get and I was saying it's not needed.

So explain to me exactly why anybody would want to buy an inferior system for an OS that you can mimic or better easily for more than twice the price?

I'm sorry, but people can buy whatever computer they want, but TBH, I can get a dock on Windows, and iCan get iTunes, and the other overpriced software for free on my PC for free...
I also need to pay for college too.
~Vincent

4GB RAM is more than you need.


How exactly are Macs inferior?

Now don't give me your typical Linux shizzle again because we're talking about the hardware and build quality here.

I can get the same specs on the above mac on a PC for half of the price, with a three year warranty, not that iHave ever needed to use my warranty.
~Vincent

Inferior in that they use hardware that is mainstream on their top end models, apart from the atrociously priced Xeon models.

Macs have better build quality? Than what? I'm going to trust myself to pick a good case and assemble it properly rather than a company that's clearly more obsessed with money than making their customers happy.

Typical Linux shizzle? Explain. Both Hardware and Software are interdependent.

Caboose, I agree with you. Actually, IMO, HP builds a better computer in general than Mac. My friend has an old 1.86GHz Single AMD Core HP Laptop, and it still works fine today.

And personally, I think Vista has a bad rep. Yes, it has its flaws, like being a complete resource hog, but other than that and a couple of technical problems, like occasional crashing programs, it isn't as bad as people think. Not to say it is what it SHOULD have been, but it isn't AS BAD, as is rumoured.
~Vincent

Yep vista's great merely because it created a bunch of great chat-up lines like "Hey there, my name's Vista, can I come crash at your place tonight?"

If you really have a reason for 8GB of RAM: http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Other%20Wor...g/8566DDR3S8GP/

I have a MBP with 2GB...never even maxed it out.

No, I didn't say it was great. It is very flawed, it is just not as bad as people think. It does have several flaws in the design, and really it should have been Windows 7. But all of my Vista problems will go away on October 22nd.
~Vincent

I don't think I've ever heard a Mac user say that their problems will go away with the new OS.

Well you see what has happened here is you've ignored my previous comments and concentrated on Windows again, which you actually have a case against. Don't you think we should be here anyway though?

http://runescape.salmoneus.net/forums/inde...howtopic=296543

Because not everybody wants to custom build their own linux computer, Caboose.

And not everyone has $1200+...
~Vincent
EDIT: Above is just the bare minimum.

They do, deep down

Seriously though, why would it have to be a custom build? There are plenty of pre builts that run Linux, and are so much cheaper than the blatant rip off's that Apple put on their site.

I got mine for £750 - take off £60 for the printer brings it to £690, another £100 off the iPod I got with it bringing it to £590. That's not factoring in the packaged products, which have been proven to be better than software costing around £50. So really it's a much more respectable £575.

The iPod you got with it was free, not included in the price...

What is your actual hardware?

You're being pathetic - having a free iPod which you can sell back on ebay for exactly the same price is £100 off the product, making £100 less expensive. Same with the printer.

Erm;

Model Name: MacBook
Model Identifier: MacBook4,1
Processor Name: Intel Core 2 Duo
Processor Speed: 2.4 GHz
Number Of Processors: 1
Total Number Of Cores: 2
L2 Cache: 3 MB
Memory: 2 GB

?

No, that's not the machine. That's just something they manufacture so much of that it doesn't make a difference. You could get a Core 2 Duo build for £300, or a pre built for £400. So tell me, why is it worth paying the extra?

It may not be the machine - but it's still £100 off.

Extra for the community, the OS, the software, the experience, the fun, easy integration with friends and I suppose a bit of the brand.

I'm going to design a MacBook to the same specs as my PC:
Mine:
2.26GHz Intel 2 Duo Core 2MB L2 Cache 800MHz FSB
4GB DDR2 RAM @ 800MHz
512MB NVIDIA GeForce 9600M GT
320GB SATA Hard Drive @ 7200 RPM
Also comes with a webcam, tv tuner and fingerprint reader, but lets just stick with the normal hardware.

I'll edit this in a minute with the specs and price of the Mac.
~Vincent

Macs also come with webcams buddy.

The community? All they do is shout about how they spend extra on a product. The OS isn't as good as most Linux distro's, which are free. The software isn't that good, if you were serious enough to be taking it as a factor then you would be buying it separately anyway. The fun? Linux is way more fun, i hate using OSX. Integration with friends? Meaning what exactly? The brand is cheap really, my macbook is made of a cheap plastic that's quite flexible and picks up fingerprints like a forensics detective.

Webcams are cheap as chips, but they don't sell. Because everybody who decided that they want one has bought one. Everybody else doesn't see the point.

Macbook:
2.26GHz Intel 2 Duo Core Processor 2MB L2 Cache 800MHz FSB
4GB DDR2 RAM
320 GB SATA Hard Drive @ 5400 RPM
NVIDIA GeForce 9400 512MB

This also comes with the apple 3 year warranty, just as mine came with an HP 3 Year Warranty.
Price?
$1,648.00
I got my laptop (Same specs) for $815.97...
So, you are saying that the Mac OS is worth $832.03?
~Vincent

I've made some pretty good friends through the Apple store.


Your opinion, not mine.


Again - personal opinion. Using windows just makes me feel I'm on a commodore 64 again.


It's much easier to share things with friends and work on projects etc.


Apple brand - brand doesn't mean what plastic they use.


Why are you talking about webcams?

Being a complete resource hog is sort of a big deal.


You believe that Linux is faster and better than Mac, there is nothing wrong with that. It's funny because you're talking about your opinion as though they're facts. The thing is, millions of people pay, let's even say overpay to use an operating system that isn't linux, nor windows, but mac. This isn't like an HP, where it's preloaded with windows, but they PAY to use the mac over the free linux alternative because they prefer mac. That's their opinion, and there isn't anything wrong with that. But the thing is, if I used that as fact, that would disprove and discredit you (which you haven't done enough /s). But, I have millions of more people backing me. Where's your linux end user army?

I bought my mac for some special software for editing, but I enjoy it over windows, and as an end user, I believe that Ubuntu is a pos. I can't even use it. KDE 4.3 looks pretty nice, but I don't see myself using it. Also compatibility. Mac isn't equal to Linux in compatibility. You're over-exaggerating this heavily, and you're looking very incredible because both have the basics for any end user consumer, but it depends on how it's presented. Again, you hate the aesthetics or interface of a mac, but millions beg to differ, and millions would agree that they probably wouldn't use Linux.

See what I'm doing? I'm acting like you now. Gee.

I've made a lot of friends in various Linux communities. Not once have i met somebody who's unkind of obnoxious. They're always ready with the answer to any question you have.

Why would i (or anybody else) use an OS that's okay over an OS that you can make EXACTLY THE SAME as the previous one, or change to be anything you want. It's more customizable, less resource hungry, updated at least twice a year and is FREE, available at any time you want.

What was the Commodore 64 running? Why have you jumped back to Windows anyway?

In what way? Click files - Drag Files to Memory Stick - Remove Memory Stick - Insert Memory Stick - Take Files or New Email - Add attachment - Send - Receive - Open Attachment or Plug in Ethernet Cable - Network - Transfer Files or Upload to Internet - Download from Internet.

With a brand you would expect to pay extra if they were worth it, as in had better build quality. This is not the case.

You were, in your other post.


Again, can we take this to the Windows v OSX v Linux thread please?

And in real life?


Because not everybody wants a bloody Linux computer!


Because this is a thread about Apple and its products vs. the competition.


Just it seems to be a lot easier on a Mac than on a PC. Even just dragging attachments around is so much simpler.


You obviously have different things you consider to be important in a brand.


Only because the other guy was talking about pricing of his PC and saying "that doesn't include webcam" and I was saying all Macs have webcams with the exception of the Mac Mini.


Ask a Mod to move it - but the other thread has kinds died.

PEOPLE just face it, PC is a better system if you want to game, it does every thing a mac does and more, a mac is for video, music ect, but really, 1700pounds? i live in austrlia my mum is scotish! so i know price changer ect. Anyway on dell i can get for 1500$ (AUS) i can get 2.93duo 1GB of nivada brand new card, 4GB of ram. it is a no brainer, like people said. So its about 1000$ and another 1000 for the OS and brand? i think i mite just stick with my 1500 computer which is much better.

Look, I never meant to kick off another Mac vs. Windows/Linux war with my comment. I wasn't implying that Macs are in any way inferior systems, I was just stating a fact - that Apple charge a lot more for their hardware than their rivals. Like Caboose said, if you want to discuss this there's already a topic for doing so. @Magical: It hasn't been posted in for 4 days, but there's another 3 days left until posting there will be a topic bump, so it hasn't quite died yet