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Magical
Apple recently released a new iMac, MacBook and Mac Mini and have completely changed the mouse. What do you think?
Caboose
The mouse is a step in the right direction but it's nowhere near good enough for the price. I'd just get a Logitech Pilot (or something similar) for 1/6 of the price.
Magical
QUOTE (Caboose @ Oct 20 2009, 06:11 PM) *
The mouse is a step in the right direction but it's nowhere near good enough for the price. I'd just get a Logitech Pilot (or something similar) for 1/6 of the price.

Yeah £50 is way too steep, but wouldn't complain for an included mouse.
Cattius
Lifehacker article

Personally I wouldn't like using a multi-touch mouse. Standard mouse fine, multitouch trackpad fine, but combining the two would just be too awkward, I'd probably end up accidentally using the multi-touch features whilst moving the mouse tongue.gif

The hardware upgrades are nice to see, although I'm still not particularly impressed by the specs you get for the price (please, don't discuss this here because it will end up in flaming as usual, this is just my opinion). The monitor sizes for the iMac seem really weird - I mean, 21.5 inch and 27 inch? Certainly not conventional sizes and the 27 inch is just stupidly large IMO, I think they'd have been better off with 22" and 24".
Magical
QUOTE (Cattius @ Oct 20 2009, 06:46 PM) *
Lifehacker article

Personally I wouldn't like using a multi-touch mouse. Standard mouse fine, multitouch trackpad fine, but combining the two would just be too awkward, I'd probably end up accidentally using the multi-touch features whilst moving the mouse tongue.gif

The hardware upgrades are nice to see, although I'm still not particularly impressed by the specs you get for the price (please, don't discuss this here because it will end up in flaming as usual, this is just my opinion). The monitor sizes for the iMac seem really weird - I mean, 21.5 inch and 27 inch? Certainly not conventional sizes and the 27 inch is just stupidly large IMO, I think they'd have been better off with 22" and 24".

Plenty of people have 30" monitors pfft.gif
Cattius
QUOTE (Magical @ Oct 20 2009, 08:07 PM) *
QUOTE (Cattius @ Oct 20 2009, 06:46 PM) *
Lifehacker article

Personally I wouldn't like using a multi-touch mouse. Standard mouse fine, multitouch trackpad fine, but combining the two would just be too awkward, I'd probably end up accidentally using the multi-touch features whilst moving the mouse tongue.gif

The hardware upgrades are nice to see, although I'm still not particularly impressed by the specs you get for the price (please, don't discuss this here because it will end up in flaming as usual, this is just my opinion). The monitor sizes for the iMac seem really weird - I mean, 21.5 inch and 27 inch? Certainly not conventional sizes and the 27 inch is just stupidly large IMO, I think they'd have been better off with 22" and 24".

Plenty of people have 30" monitors pfft.gif

Yes, some people do, but the majority of people are still using 22-24" monitors and IMO, a high-resolution monitor in that size range is ideal for most people. I just think Apple could save money with a smaller monitor and instead invest in other components.
Haleth
Why does Apple come out with this stuff right when I'm about to buy a gaming mouse because the Mighty Mouse completely sucks?

Going to wait for some reviews I think.
Caboose
Still no right click... the Logitech G5 comes very highly recommend. SteelSeries are good too. Razer also.
Haleth
QUOTE (Caboose @ Oct 20 2009, 08:57 PM) *
Still no right click... the Logitech G5 comes very highly recommend. SteelSeries are good too. Razer also.

Was pretty much aiming for the new Razer Naga. At least it looks like it's good quality. The old Mighty Mouse scrollball broke after a month because it gets clogged up with dirt which is almost impossible to get out. The entire cover gets dirty pretty fast too.
Kam
QUOTE (Caboose @ Oct 20 2009, 03:57 PM) *
Still no right click... the Logitech G5 comes very highly recommend. SteelSeries are good too. Razer also.


I never understood why there was no right click button on the mouse...
Magical
QUOTE (Caboose @ Oct 20 2009, 07:57 PM) *
Still no right click... the Logitech G5 comes very highly recommend. SteelSeries are good too. Razer also.

What do you mean no right click?
Kwinten
QUOTE (Caboose @ Oct 20 2009, 08:57 PM) *
Still no right click... the Logitech G5 comes very highly recommend. SteelSeries are good too. Razer also.

The Mighty/Magic mouse is a two button mouse, son.

Touch left part -> left click
Touch right part -> right click

it doesn't get any easier than that.
DaNoobPro1337
QUOTE (Caboose @ Oct 20 2009, 03:57 PM) *
Still no right click... the Logitech G5 comes very highly recommend. SteelSeries are good too. Razer also.


You right-click by touching the right side of the mouse. Ino, cool right?

Damn, this makes me want to sell my 24" and buy one of those i7 27"s.
Caboose
Hmm... that would just feel strange. What's wrong with the traditional layout? Why do they have to make it so much more confusing?
Magical
QUOTE (Caboose @ Oct 20 2009, 09:49 PM) *
Hmm... that would just feel strange. What's wrong with the traditional layout? Why do they have to make it so much more confusing?

I hardly see how it's confusing?
Caboose
Basically what they've done is put a touchpad on top of a mouse. But the touchpad doesn't work like a proper touchpad, it serves the purpose of two buttons as well as having various other stokes and movements to remember. Give this mouse to somebody who's never used a computer before and give them a traditional two button mouse, doubtless they will find the latter easier to use.
DaNoobPro1337
It's just 3 or 4 gestures, and most of them are intuitive (like swiping left-right to go back/forward).
Magical
QUOTE (Caboose @ Oct 20 2009, 10:57 PM) *
Basically what they've done is put a touchpad on top of a mouse. But the touchpad doesn't work like a proper touchpad, it serves the purpose of two buttons as well as having various other stokes and movements to remember. Give this mouse to somebody who's never used a computer before and give them a traditional two button mouse, doubtless they will find the latter easier to use.

Oh yes, because we have naturally evolved to when we see a computer mouse to immediately know what to do. I don't get it - in some topics you're all like "Linux has a high learning curve but it's awesome" then you're saying "Oh no - I can't possibly spend twenty seconds learning four logical movements".
D-Jizzy
I got the email about the new iMac today.

I have been fixated on 3.06GHz.
Kwinten
The iMacs look very good (I'd almost buy one), but I'm still hoping for a Macbook Pro upgrade.
Caboose
QUOTE (Magical @ Oct 21 2009, 06:22 AM) *
QUOTE (Caboose @ Oct 20 2009, 10:57 PM) *
Basically what they've done is put a touchpad on top of a mouse. But the touchpad doesn't work like a proper touchpad, it serves the purpose of two buttons as well as having various other stokes and movements to remember. Give this mouse to somebody who's never used a computer before and give them a traditional two button mouse, doubtless they will find the latter easier to use.

Oh yes, because we have naturally evolved to when we see a computer mouse to immediately know what to do. I don't get it - in some topics you're all like "Linux has a high learning curve but it's awesome" then you're saying "Oh no - I can't possibly spend twenty seconds learning four logical movements".


This button you use for one thing. This button you use for another thing.

To do this one thing you have to touch it in precisely this place. To do another thing you have to touch it in a slightly different place.

Linux doesn't really have a high learning curve, depends on the distro. Which is one of the best things about it: freedom of choice.
Magical
QUOTE (Caboose @ Oct 21 2009, 04:10 PM) *
QUOTE (Magical @ Oct 21 2009, 06:22 AM) *
QUOTE (Caboose @ Oct 20 2009, 10:57 PM) *
Basically what they've done is put a touchpad on top of a mouse. But the touchpad doesn't work like a proper touchpad, it serves the purpose of two buttons as well as having various other stokes and movements to remember. Give this mouse to somebody who's never used a computer before and give them a traditional two button mouse, doubtless they will find the latter easier to use.

Oh yes, because we have naturally evolved to when we see a computer mouse to immediately know what to do. I don't get it - in some topics you're all like "Linux has a high learning curve but it's awesome" then you're saying "Oh no - I can't possibly spend twenty seconds learning four logical movements".


This button you use for one thing. This button you use for another thing.

To do this one thing you have to touch it in precisely this place. To do another thing you have to touch it in a slightly different place.

Linux doesn't really have a high learning curve, depends on the distro. Which is one of the best things about it: freedom of choice.

Actually I'm pretty sure there's more than a 10mmX10mm place to put your finger to left/right click - it's really not that precise, I imagine I have a smaller space of my current mouse.
Haleth
Wonder how many different button clicks the new mouse can recognize. The mighty mouse had 4 (3 after the scroll ball broke), the new one seems to have only 2, which would be a major flaw. Considering it uses multi-touch technology, it'd be really cool if it could be programmed to have as many buttons as you like, as well as giving you the ability to place them wherever you want on the mouse. Maybe something for the next version?
Magical
QUOTE (Haleth @ Oct 21 2009, 09:37 PM) *
Wonder how many different button clicks the new mouse can recognize. The mighty mouse had 4 (3 after the scroll ball broke), the new one seems to have only 2, which would be a major flaw. Considering it uses multi-touch technology, it'd be really cool if it could be programmed to have as many buttons as you like, as well as giving you the ability to place them wherever you want on the mouse. Maybe something for the next version?

That would be ridiculous.
Egghebrecht
i swapped my mighty mouse a few months after i got it
so a drastic change for that thing was really needed tongue.gif
Haleth
QUOTE (Magical @ Oct 22 2009, 11:25 AM) *
QUOTE (Haleth @ Oct 21 2009, 09:37 PM) *
Wonder how many different button clicks the new mouse can recognize. The mighty mouse had 4 (3 after the scroll ball broke), the new one seems to have only 2, which would be a major flaw. Considering it uses multi-touch technology, it'd be really cool if it could be programmed to have as many buttons as you like, as well as giving you the ability to place them wherever you want on the mouse. Maybe something for the next version?

That would be ridiculous.

Think about it, being able to basically create your own mouse. tongue.gif I don't think it's a that bad idea tbh.
King Aragorn
Hmm.. multitouch mouse doesnt seem like a success.
As i always hate the trackball-mice too. (Those where you roll a ball on top, push down the ball to click, another button for right-click too. (The ball could be taken out too..))
Then i guess it wont reach far.
Yes, most mice you get with a computer suck. And Logitech makes great mice, mine is ergonomic+has grips+navi buttons.
Thats good, and cheap. (It has a scroll-wheel for vertical+horizontal scrolling, scroll left to scroll left, and so on.)
Caboose
Trackballs are nice, opinion really. I like having the choice.
King Aragorn
Blackberry uses trackballs.. must be hard if yo are browsing a huge website.. biggrin.gif
Kwinten
QUOTE (King Aragorn @ Oct 22 2009, 08:00 PM) *
Blackberry uses trackballs.. must be hard if yo are browsing a huge website.. biggrin.gif

Blackberries are cellphones.

We're talking about computer mice here.
Redicaluss
As always, the upgrades are very welcome and beneficial, but I just can't get past the price. Macs are great machines and the new Magic mouse is AWESOME (I tried it out today) but upwards of 1000 is just a little steep...
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