Kwinten
Oct 29 2009, 12:36 PM
Source:
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/deci...ens-of-millionsQUOTE
Jagex CEO Mark Gerhard has confirmed that RuneScape successor MechScape has been canned just prior to its release.
The decision, he told GamesIndustry.biz, was made in August when the assembled game failed to meet the standards of Jagex's new CEO and his team.
"Initially the reason for building MechScape was that we would learn all the lessons from RuneScape having run it for around four years at the time.
"It got near completion and we discovered, oops, it didn't do all of those things that we wanted it to. So we went back to the original design document and said 'let's do it again'."
Cancelling the project at such a late stage has made for an expensive learning curve, admitted Gerhard, although he agreed the company's continued financial success helped the situation.
"Yes, it's a luxury that we are doing well and we can afford to make the decision. I didn't make the decision lightly because it's effectively cost us tens of millions of pounds. Maybe more."
But it was vital, he said, for Jagex to release a game it was proud of and that its team would want to play. “ It's crucial to me we don't just ship a title because we've built it.”
"The previous game wasn't a game that we want to play. As much as we ended up thinking of it like a baby – we were 'reasonably' proud of it, we thought it was a good experience and we'd achieved something – it wasn't a game ready for launch.
"It was expensive. I hope never again to have to make the same decision twice. But it was the right decision."
Not everything has been lost however, and Gerhard says that much of the game – including its engine - will be reused in the new secret project the Jagex development team is now working on.
"A lot of the content will change," he said, "a lot of the gameplay will change. Exactly what the game will look and feel like I don't actually know because the guys are working on it as we speak. But we've got that arsenal of lessons and everything else."
This new title will be released within a "meaningful time frame" he added with a smile. At Game Horizon's Best of British event on Wednesday, Simon Seefeldt, the company's head of business development, was more specific, saying Jagex's next game will appear sometime in 2010.
Ending on a positive note, Gerhard said the new MMO's development team has been "galvanized" by the decision that's been taken.
"I've been in the organisation for two years now and I've never seen that team so excited since I joined," he said.
"They've spent years of toil on this and never quite got there, and now the entire team, sees what the plans are to change and what the new game will be. There's a real buzz in that studio, which is fantastic. The guys are doing an incredible job of bringing this to market."
Source:
http://www.develop-online.net/news/33153/J...-cans-Runescape (funny that the link says "Jagex cans RuneScape")
QUOTE
Runescape creator Jagex has made the decision to scrap its long-in-production second MMO MechScape, it has emerged.
The plug was pulled on the futuristic title in August – despite a formal announcement in March that the game was due for release later this year – costing the firm tens of millions of pounds.
However the firm still plans to launch a new MMO in 2010.
"Initially the reason for building MechScape was that we would learn all the lessons from RuneScape having run it for around four years at the time," said Gerhard in an interview with GI.
"It got near completion and we discovered, oops, it didn't do all of those things that we wanted it to. So we went back to the original design document and said 'let's do it again'."
"Yes, it's a luxury that we are doing well and we can afford to make the decision. I didn't make the decision lightly because it's effectively cost us tens of millions of pounds. Maybe more."
Source:
http://www.gamesbrief.com/2009/10/mechscap...ns-of-millions/QUOTE
It’s a brave CEO who cancels his company’s second largest project after four years of development and shortly before release.
But that’s exactly what Mark Gerhard of Jagex has done with MechScape. The new MMO from the makers of Runescape has been canned shortly before release.
When Mark was first appointed, I questioned the wisdom of moving an internal CTO up to be CEO of a company that was so dominated by the personality and thoughts of the original founder.
But this announcement suggests that I may have been wrong.
I have no particular inisght on MechScape – I’ve never seen the game and I don’t know if it was as disappointing as reports suggest.
But I do know that bringing out a successful sequel to Runescape is critical to Jagex. They need to prove that they are a scaleable business that can repeat their outstanding success otherwise they are destined to begin a slow slide into obscurity.
If MechScape was under par, it would have been an easy decision to launch it and see what the public thought. Instead, Jagex has canned it, despite tens of millions of investment, because it just isn’t good enough.
That’s a brave decision. And it shows that Mark has the courage of his convictions.
So good on them, and I wish them luck with “son-of-MechScape” or whatever it will be.
Important info:
*MechScape was near its release in August
*Stellar Dawn is a new MMO, not a revamped MechScape, even though it will use some stuff from MechScape
*Stellar Dawn will be released in 2010 (we can't really trust this, though, since this is Jagex we are talking about)
MechTopia
Caboose
Oct 29 2009, 01:30 PM
Okay, this is a joke, right?
You don't employ people for four years on a project then throw it to the wind. You release it then improve upon it.
Kwinten
Oct 29 2009, 01:42 PM
QUOTE (Caboose @ Oct 29 2009, 07:30 PM)

Okay, this is a joke, right?
You don't employ people for four years on a project then throw it to the wind. You release it then improve upon it.
Would you release a game that's really, really horrible?
Okay, maybe you would, but this is Jagex, and they're one of the most popular gaming industries in the UK, well, actually, they're popular all over the world.
Kingy
Oct 29 2009, 01:57 PM
This is stupid, who on earth throws away that kind of money and to dissapoint thousands of players.
Kwinten
Oct 29 2009, 02:02 PM
QUOTE (Kingy @ Oct 29 2009, 07:57 PM)

This is stupid, who on earth throws away that kind of money and to dissapoint thousands of players.
I think that having it released in August would have been a far bigger disappointement.
Byahh
Oct 29 2009, 02:06 PM
Lame....

I would have appreciated a public beta to let the people decide if it was good.
Sneezingtree
Oct 29 2009, 02:13 PM
I think this is hilarious.
A new game is coming, just be patient lol. If you guys didn't get ahead of yourselves you wouldn't be disappointed.
Arianna
Oct 29 2009, 02:15 PM
QUOTE (Caboose @ Oct 29 2009, 07:30 PM)

Okay, this is a joke, right?
You don't employ people for four years on a project then throw it to the wind. You release it then improve upon it.
Like Daikatana, right?

Glad to see they realised that their finished product wasn't up to par.
Caboose
Oct 29 2009, 02:24 PM
QUOTE (Byahh @ Oct 29 2009, 07:06 PM)

I would have appreciated a public beta to let the people decide if it was good.
I completely agree, we don't even have a screenshot. If we're the one's it's targeting shouldn't it be us who decides if it's good or not?
Kwinten
Oct 29 2009, 02:36 PM
QUOTE (Caboose @ Oct 29 2009, 08:24 PM)

QUOTE (Byahh @ Oct 29 2009, 07:06 PM)

I would have appreciated a public beta to let the people decide if it was good.
I completely agree, we don't even have a screenshot. If we're the one's it's targeting shouldn't it be us who decides if it's good or not?
I think Jagex has a long enough history to be capable to draw their own conclusions.
Its a Liger
Oct 29 2009, 03:02 PM
QUOTE (Caboose @ Oct 29 2009, 12:24 PM)

QUOTE (Byahh @ Oct 29 2009, 07:06 PM)

I would have appreciated a public beta to let the people decide if it was good.
I completely agree, we don't even have a screenshot. If we're the one's it's targeting shouldn't it be us who decides if it's good or not?
They let whiners on the forums decide what was good or not. They said in this post that they're learning from their mistakes.
I'm proud of MMG and Jagex for doing this. That's a lot of cash to simply scrap because you felt something wasn't right. It show's that Jagex cares a lot more about producing something that's better than anything they've produced before instead of releasing something that not that great yet they know will be popular and make a lot of money because it's a sequel to a popular game. A lot of game developers are doing this (guitar hero, anyone?) and it's nice to see someone take the initiative and make something that isn't just for the money.
I've seen some clips of mechscape and I was not impressed. Basically the same thing as RS, only with a space theme. Point+click movement and combat system, crappy java graphics, gimmick stuff like vehicles. I'm glad there scrapping it and starting over.
QUOTE (Kwinten @ Oct 29 2009, 10:36 AM)

*Stellar Dawn will be released in 2010 (we can't really trust this, though, since this is Jagex we are talking about)
That really means it will be released in 2011.
Lord Earth
Oct 29 2009, 03:23 PM
I bet they're going to set the release date back again to December 13, 2012 and just hope...

Seriously, a big "Wtf" and "Hahahaha" came to mind while reading this.
Darth Irule
Oct 29 2009, 03:29 PM
I wouldn't go as far as saying Jagex cancled the game. All they are doing is getting rid of some stuff, renaming it and making it better.
Shpendi
Oct 29 2009, 06:01 PM
Wow they wasted a lot of cash. I hope MMG doesn't bankrupt Jagex.
iSummon
Oct 29 2009, 06:09 PM
It would of been easier bringing MechScape from the ashes instead of making a whole new game... But I don't believe it, I mean I think they just put a new name. But I'd be impressed if they really went through with it. And I'd like to know whats different from MechScape...
Arctic Wolf
Oct 29 2009, 06:36 PM
QUOTE (Shpendi @ Oct 30 2009, 09:01 AM)

Wow they wasted a lot of cash. I hope MMG doesn't bankrupt Jagex.
Jagex is worth far more than the cash they spent on this, Andrew Gower alone is worth some 100+ million
Smiley
Oct 29 2009, 06:45 PM
*stares*
*opens mouth to speak*
*closes and continues to stare*
Adam?
Oct 29 2009, 07:10 PM
The game is Stellar Dawn? Its supposed to be released in 2010? They completely reworked the game from what it was before?
Tell me which part of this is news.
Mith
Oct 29 2009, 07:10 PM
So does this mean "Everything Mechscape" is going to be gone and in comes a new forum, "Everything Stellar Dawn"?..
Yuki Nagato
Oct 29 2009, 07:39 PM
Ok Jagex needs to get their priorities right.
Slacker
Oct 29 2009, 09:40 PM
This is what Stellar Dawn would have been like if they released it in 2008:
http://mechtopia.net/board/index.php?showtopic=465 And yes this is 100% real.
Magic Of Woodcut
Oct 29 2009, 09:42 PM
Totally thought it was a joke. Hoax mechscape! Wow I am dissapointed, though I wasn't going to play it anyway.
Edit: Number three baby

Azarath
Oct 29 2009, 11:01 PM
QUOTE (Arianna @ Oct 29 2009, 07:15 PM)

QUOTE (Caboose @ Oct 29 2009, 07:30 PM)

Okay, this is a joke, right?
You don't employ people for four years on a project then throw it to the wind. You release it then improve upon it.
Like Daikatana, right?

I actually really liked its multiplayer
Mohorak
Oct 30 2009, 03:44 AM
Holy shizzle.
Just holy shizzle.
I didn't think the situation was this serious when I read what they posted on mechscapeworld. Awful.
Easl
Oct 30 2009, 06:10 AM
QUOTE (Arctic Wolf @ Oct 29 2009, 06:36 PM)

QUOTE (Shpendi @ Oct 30 2009, 09:01 AM)

Wow they wasted a lot of cash. I hope MMG doesn't bankrupt Jagex.
Jagex is worth far more than the cash they spent on this, Andrew Gower alone is worth some 100+ million
I remeber reading on the sunday times rich list that he was 30 million

And most of that is in shares to Jagex I assume
TO be honest I'm wondering if this is to give runescape a longer life, they will lose members over mechscape
zellychan
Oct 30 2009, 07:35 AM
I understand the reasoning and I applaud Gerhard for saying "no, we can do better", but dear lord his employees must just want to kill him. Can you imagine that meeting?
"Here we go, all done!"
"......guys this sucks. Re-do from scratch."
".........w-what? B-b-but this is years of w-"
"Yeah, sucks. Redo."
Egghebrecht
Oct 30 2009, 07:38 AM
hmm that takes balls to make a decision like this one
whether it is the right one only the future can tell but i agree that releasing a low par product would be devastating to the credibility jagex built up in the last few years
QUOTE (zellychan @ Oct 30 2009, 01:35 PM)

I understand the reasoning and I applaud Gerhard for saying "no, we can do better", but dear lord his employees must just want to kill him. Can you imagine that meeting?
"Here we go, all done!"
"......guys this sucks. Re-do from scratch."
".........w-what? B-b-but this is years of w-"
"Yeah, sucks. Redo."
i still think it would be worse if we would be made fun off and die out in a year...
Arianna
Oct 30 2009, 07:39 AM
QUOTE (Caboose @ Oct 29 2009, 08:24 PM)

QUOTE (Byahh @ Oct 29 2009, 07:06 PM)

I would have appreciated a public beta to let the people decide if it was good.
I completely agree, we don't even have a screenshot. If we're the one's it's targeting shouldn't it be us who decides if it's good or not?
Yes, of course, because there's no reputation hit from releasing crappy (or even not-up-to-par) games. Not at all.

Besides, it's
their game, not yours.
QUOTE
I understand the reasoning and I applaud Gerhard for saying "no, we can do better", but dear lord his employees must just want to kill him. Can you imagine that meeting?
"Here we go, all done!"
"......guys this sucks. Re-do from scratch."
".........w-what? B-b-but this is years of w-"
"Yeah, sucks. Redo."
I'd rather have to go through a project again rather than that project being a failure. Can you imagine how a prospective employer would react to somebody saying "oh yes, I worked on Mechscape" if it had been released as awful as it appears to be? I'd think twice before hiring him.

QUOTE
Ok Jagex needs to get their priorities right.
What does that even mean?
Yippee
Oct 30 2009, 07:44 AM
QUOTE (zellychan @ Oct 30 2009, 08:35 AM)

I understand the reasoning and I applaud Gerhard for saying "no, we can do better", but dear lord his employees must just want to kill him. Can you imagine that meeting?
"Here we go, all done!"
"......guys this sucks. Re-do from scratch."
".........w-what? B-b-but this is years of w-"
"Yeah, sucks. Redo."
You would think that...but Gerhard says he's never seen the employees so excited...
I know I'm excited. It just sucks that I have to wait another year or more. Ah, well, more time for me to put more features on my website. Honestly, my website isn't good enough for the game yet either.
Arctic Wolf
Oct 30 2009, 08:33 AM
QUOTE (zellychan @ Oct 30 2009, 10:35 PM)

I understand the reasoning and I applaud Gerhard for saying "no, we can do better", but dear lord his employees must just want to kill him. Can you imagine that meeting?
"Here we go, all done!"
"......guys this sucks. Re-do from scratch."
".........w-what? B-b-but this is years of w-"
"Yeah, sucks. Redo."
They get extended employment, I doubt they would complain
Mohorak
Oct 30 2009, 12:06 PM
QUOTE (Arctic Wolf @ Oct 30 2009, 09:33 AM)

QUOTE (zellychan @ Oct 30 2009, 10:35 PM)

I understand the reasoning and I applaud Gerhard for saying "no, we can do better", but dear lord his employees must just want to kill him. Can you imagine that meeting?
"Here we go, all done!"
"......guys this sucks. Re-do from scratch."
".........w-what? B-b-but this is years of w-"
"Yeah, sucks. Redo."
They get extended employment, I doubt they would complain

Actually, I believe the Head of Mechscape was canned, wasn't he?
Veni vidi vici
Oct 30 2009, 05:46 PM
A four year project, millions of dollars (pounds), several dozen employees and countless weeks, months and years of anticipation and *Big Breath*...
Cancelled? No. The game has not been cancelled. They would have formally announced it, and if anything only delayed a few more years months.
~Vincent
Arctic Wolf
Oct 31 2009, 04:58 AM
QUOTE (Mohorak @ Oct 31 2009, 04:06 AM)

QUOTE (Arctic Wolf @ Oct 30 2009, 09:33 AM)

QUOTE (zellychan @ Oct 30 2009, 10:35 PM)

I understand the reasoning and I applaud Gerhard for saying "no, we can do better", but dear lord his employees must just want to kill him. Can you imagine that meeting?
"Here we go, all done!"
"......guys this sucks. Re-do from scratch."
".........w-what? B-b-but this is years of w-"
"Yeah, sucks. Redo."
They get extended employment, I doubt they would complain

Actually, I believe the Head of Mechscape was canned, wasn't he?
I haven't heard that, although it would be correct in saying that if he didn't achieve what the jagex ceo wanted to in this time he should get fired for it.
Adam?
Oct 31 2009, 02:01 PM
They probably felt it was too similar to Runescape.
WHICH IS WAS.
Yippee
Oct 31 2009, 06:46 PM
QUOTE (Mohorak @ Oct 31 2009, 04:06 AM)

QUOTE (Arctic Wolf @ Oct 30 2009, 09:33 AM)

QUOTE (zellychan @ Oct 30 2009, 10:35 PM)

I understand the reasoning and I applaud Gerhard for saying "no, we can do better", but dear lord his employees must just want to kill him. Can you imagine that meeting?
"Here we go, all done!"
"......guys this sucks. Re-do from scratch."
".........w-what? B-b-but this is years of w-"
"Yeah, sucks. Redo."
They get extended employment, I doubt they would complain

Actually, I believe the Head of Mechscape was canned, wasn't he?
Olifiers did leave Jagex, but as far as I know there's no word on why or even if he actually left or if he was fired.
Inoooooooooooooooooooooooo
Nov 8 2009, 06:59 PM
I say they didn't scrap it, but claiming they did and are starting over on a new mmo to buy more time.
Yippee
Nov 9 2009, 07:56 AM
QUOTE (Inoooooooooooooooooooooooo @ Nov 8 2009, 06:59 PM)

I say they didn't scrap it, but claiming they did and are starting over on a new mmo to buy more time.
So you're saying Jagex outright lied with absolutely no evidence to back up your claim. Smart...very smart...
Mohorak
Nov 9 2009, 02:18 PM
QUOTE (Yippee @ Nov 9 2009, 07:56 AM)

QUOTE (Inoooooooooooooooooooooooo @ Nov 8 2009, 06:59 PM)

I say they didn't scrap it, but claiming they did and are starting over on a new mmo to buy more time.
So you're saying Jagex outright lied with absolutely no evidence to back up your claim. Smart...very smart...
Hey, everyone's entitled to their opinion... and Jagex is by nature a very secretive company, so it's anyone's guess to what's happening.
Yippee
Nov 9 2009, 08:26 PM
QUOTE (Mohorak @ Nov 9 2009, 02:18 PM)

QUOTE (Yippee @ Nov 9 2009, 07:56 AM)

QUOTE (Inoooooooooooooooooooooooo @ Nov 8 2009, 06:59 PM)

I say they didn't scrap it, but claiming they did and are starting over on a new mmo to buy more time.
So you're saying Jagex outright lied with absolutely no evidence to back up your claim. Smart...very smart...
Hey, everyone's entitled to their opinion... and Jagex is by nature a very secretive company, so it's anyone's guess to what's happening.
Jagex is secretive, but lying like that can probably get you in legal trouble. And I don't consider what he said an opinion as much as an accusation, which is never smart without the right evidence to back it up.
People who just hate something enough to block all rational or intelligent thought just get irritating.
Razorlike
Nov 10 2009, 02:49 AM
QUOTE (Yippee @ Nov 10 2009, 03:26 AM)

QUOTE (Mohorak @ Nov 9 2009, 02:18 PM)

QUOTE (Yippee @ Nov 9 2009, 07:56 AM)

QUOTE (Inoooooooooooooooooooooooo @ Nov 8 2009, 06:59 PM)

I say they didn't scrap it, but claiming they did and are starting over on a new mmo to buy more time.
So you're saying Jagex outright lied with absolutely no evidence to back up your claim. Smart...very smart...
Hey, everyone's entitled to their opinion... and Jagex is by nature a very secretive company, so it's anyone's guess to what's happening.
Jagex is secretive, but lying like that can probably get you in legal trouble. And I don't consider what he said an opinion as much as an accusation, which is never smart without the right evidence to back it up.
People who just hate something enough to block all rational or intelligent thought just get irritating.
You really think someone get sued over a post, made in a runescape forum, about something totally harmless...
~Razorlike
Yippee
Nov 10 2009, 08:58 AM
QUOTE (Razorlike @ Nov 10 2009, 02:49 AM)

QUOTE (Yippee @ Nov 10 2009, 03:26 AM)

QUOTE (Mohorak @ Nov 9 2009, 02:18 PM)

QUOTE (Yippee @ Nov 9 2009, 07:56 AM)

QUOTE (Inoooooooooooooooooooooooo @ Nov 8 2009, 06:59 PM)

I say they didn't scrap it, but claiming they did and are starting over on a new mmo to buy more time.
So you're saying Jagex outright lied with absolutely no evidence to back up your claim. Smart...very smart...
Hey, everyone's entitled to their opinion... and Jagex is by nature a very secretive company, so it's anyone's guess to what's happening.
Jagex is secretive, but lying like that can probably get you in legal trouble. And I don't consider what he said an opinion as much as an accusation, which is never smart without the right evidence to back it up.
People who just hate something enough to block all rational or intelligent thought just get irritating.
You really think someone get sued over a post, made in a runescape forum, about something totally harmless...
~Razorlike
No, I'm saying if Jagex lied in a press release they could get in legal trouble. What Inoooo... did just shows his lack of intelligence and gets me very annoyed.
Adam?
Nov 10 2009, 08:27 PM
QUOTE (Yippee @ Nov 10 2009, 08:58 AM)

QUOTE (Razorlike @ Nov 10 2009, 02:49 AM)

QUOTE (Yippee @ Nov 10 2009, 03:26 AM)

QUOTE (Mohorak @ Nov 9 2009, 02:18 PM)

QUOTE (Yippee @ Nov 9 2009, 07:56 AM)

QUOTE (Inoooooooooooooooooooooooo @ Nov 8 2009, 06:59 PM)

I say they didn't scrap it, but claiming they did and are starting over on a new mmo to buy more time.
So you're saying Jagex outright lied with absolutely no evidence to back up your claim. Smart...very smart...
Hey, everyone's entitled to their opinion... and Jagex is by nature a very secretive company, so it's anyone's guess to what's happening.
Jagex is secretive, but lying like that can probably get you in legal trouble. And I don't consider what he said an opinion as much as an accusation, which is never smart without the right evidence to back it up.
People who just hate something enough to block all rational or intelligent thought just get irritating.
You really think someone get sued over a post, made in a runescape forum, about something totally harmless...
~Razorlike
No, I'm saying if Jagex lied in a press release they could get in legal trouble. What Inoooo... did just shows his lack of intelligence and gets me very annoyed.
stupid ino and his lack of intelligent
Magic Of Woodcut
Nov 10 2009, 09:02 PM
What the fudge..Just what the fudge..They been working on this for years and they just quit?
pink dog1992
Nov 11 2009, 01:17 AM
QUOTE
"It got near completion and we discovered, oops, it didn't do all of those things that we wanted it to. So we went back to the original design document and said 'let's do it again:"
this makes it sound like it they are completing throwing it in the bin
QUOTE
"Not everything has been lost however, and Gerhard says that much of the game – including its engine - will be reused in the new secret project the Jagex development team is now working on."
i wonder how "much" of it will be reused
"the company's head of business development, was more specific, saying Jagex's next game will appear sometime in 2010"
after reading that it sounds like jagex has just delayed the release of mechscape to work on it some more and have changed its name
Timothy Gold
Nov 11 2009, 02:25 AM
Such waste... And here I was thinking that Mechscape was nearing its completion :-(
Aliath
Nov 11 2009, 07:29 AM
"F*** you, Jagex"
I bet a lot of people would love to say that.
Magic Of Woodcut
Nov 11 2009, 07:30 AM
QUOTE (Aliath @ Nov 11 2009, 08:29 AM)

"F*** you, Jagex"
I bet a lot of people would love to say that.
I've done said it at least 20 times, about mechscape, all in a days work.
Mohorak
Nov 11 2009, 10:08 AM
But they're pretty much just using what they had for MechScape and putting it in Stellar Dawn, which will come out very soon, right?
Bob32117
Nov 12 2009, 08:31 PM
I am really disappointed in Jagex, but at the same time I am happy. They must have felt that MechScape didn't feel right. It could have been the graphics, the mechanics, who knows. But in essence Jagex is doing this for us, to make us happy.
faridur
Nov 13 2009, 09:40 PM
im very disapointed
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