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Blyaunte
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Halloween is Satan's Holy Day and Candy Is How Demons Steal Your Soul!

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During Halloween, time-released curses are always loosed. A time-released curse is a period that has been set aside to release demonic activity and to ensnare souls in great measure ... During this period demons are assigned against those who participate in the rituals and festivities. These demons are automatically drawn to the fetishes that open doors for them to come into the lives of human beings. For example, most of the candy sold during this season has been dedicated and prayed over by witches.

I do not buy candy during the Halloween season. Curses are sent through the tricks and treats of the innocent whether they get it by going door to door or by purchasing it from the local grocery store. The demons cannot tell the difference.

Even the colors of Halloween (orange, brown and dark red) are dedicated. These colors are connected to the fall equinox, which is around the 20th or 21st of September each year and is sometimes called "Mabon." During this season witches are celebrating the changing of the seasons from summer to fall. They give praise to the gods for the demonic harvest. They pray to the gods of the elements (air, fire, water and earth).

Mother earth is highly celebrated during the fall demonic harvest. Witches praise mother earth by bringing her fruits, nuts and herbs. Demons are loosed during these acts of worship. When nice church folk lay out their pumpkins on the church lawn, fill their baskets with nuts and herbs, and fire up their bonfires, the demons get busy. They have no respect for the church grounds. They respect only the sacrifice and do not care if it comes from believers or non-believers.

...

Halloween is much more than a holiday filled with fun and tricks or treats. It is a time for the gathering of evil that masquerades behind the fictitious characters of Dracula, werewolves, mummies and witches on brooms. The truth is that these demons that have been presented as scary cartoons actually exist. I have prayed for witches who are addicted to drinking blood and howling at the moon.

While the lukewarm and ignorant think of these customs as "just harmless fun," the vortexes of hell are releasing new assignments against souls. Witches take pride in laughing at the ignorance of natural men (those who ignore the spirit realm).

Decorating buildings with Halloween scenes, dressing up for parties, going door-to-door for candy, standing around bonfires and highlighting pumpkin patches are all acts rooted in entertaining familiar spirits. All these activities are demonic and have occult roots.

The word "occult" means "secret." The danger of Halloween is not in the scary things we see but in the secret, wicked, cruel activities that go on behind the scenes. These activities include:

Sex with demons
Orgies between animals and humans
Animal and human sacrifices
Sacrificing babies to shed innocent blood
Rape and molestation of adults, children and babies
Revel nights
Conjuring of demons and casting of spells
Release of "time-released" curses against the innocent and the ignorant.


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chaos9999
Halloween is All Hallows Eve, the night before All Saints Day. That's all. The other stuff is added stuff.
Riddick
Haha, that's stupid.

Also, how is this a debate?
Shmoe
QUOTE (Blyaunte @ Nov 2 2009, 10:09 AM) *
Sex with demons
Orgies between animals and humans
Animal and human sacrifices
Sacrificing babies to shed innocent blood
Rape and molestation of adults, children and babies
Revel nights
Conjuring of demons and casting of spells
Release of "time-released" curses against the innocent and the ignorant.


Um wut
Blyaunte
QUOTE (Riddick @ Nov 2 2009, 09:20 AM) *
Haha, that's stupid.

Also, how is this a debate?


Oh -- it will get there ...

But tell me, aside from the fact that it is obviously stupid -- don't you think this kind of fundie Christian stupidity is dangerous to mankind in general?

I mean, really -- this moron who wrote this articles prolly has CHILDREN -- and she prolly home-schools them!!!

*shudders*
Morte
So you're drawing a conclusion on a whole belief system because of one crazy person? People could do the same with any religion, or Atheism....This isn't a debate, it's an attack on a set of beliefs..
Blyaunte
QUOTE (Morte @ Nov 2 2009, 11:16 AM) *
So you're drawing a conclusion on a whole belief system because of one crazy person? People could do the same with any religion, or Atheism....This isn't a debate, it's an attack on a set of beliefs..


So - you're defending this crackpot's belief that "the danger of Halloween is not in the scary things we see but in the secret, wicked, cruel activities that go on behind the scenes. These activities include:

Sex with demons
Orgies between animals and humans
Animal and human sacrifices
Sacrificing babies to shed innocent blood
Rape and molestation of adults, children and babies
Revel nights
Conjuring of demons and casting of spells
Release of "time-released" curses against the innocent and the ignorant."

Do you really think these ideas are valid?
Ruin
You know every religion has at least one crazy person sometimes more.
Morte
QUOTE (Blyaunte @ Nov 2 2009, 11:24 AM) *
QUOTE (Morte @ Nov 2 2009, 11:16 AM) *
So you're drawing a conclusion on a whole belief system because of one crazy person? People could do the same with any religion, or Atheism....This isn't a debate, it's an attack on a set of beliefs..


So - you're defending this crackpot's belief that "the danger of Halloween is not in the scary things we see but in the secret, wicked, cruel activities that go on behind the scenes. These activities include:

Sex with demons
Orgies between animals and humans
Animal and human sacrifices
Sacrificing babies to shed innocent blood
Rape and molestation of adults, children and babies
Revel nights
Conjuring of demons and casting of spells
Release of "time-released" curses against the innocent and the ignorant."

Do you really think these ideas are valid?

Simply because I oppose the way you build a stereotype on a system of beliefs from one person's craziness does not mean I agree with them rolleyes.gif

Personally, I am offended.

I am a Christian who is/was homeschooled. According to you, I am a crazy "fundie" who is a danger to mankind in general. Am I?

All you're doing is the same thing that crazy person did. Giving the opposite side a person to profile all others of your beliefs against. This topic is hardly a debate.
Blyaunte
QUOTE (Morte @ Nov 2 2009, 11:35 AM) *
Simply because I oppose the way you build a stereotype on a system of beliefs from one person's craziness does not mean I agree with them ...


Indeed, tell me -- do you agree with this person's point of view?

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A large number of deaf, crippled and blind people are afflicted solely through the malice of the demon. And one must in no wise doubt that plagues, fevers and every sort of evil come from him.

An earthly kingdom cannot exist without inequality of persons. Some must be free, some serfs, some rulers, some subjects.

As for the demented, I hold it certain that all beings deprived of reason are thus afflicted only by the Devil.

As to the common people, one has to be hard with them and see that they do their work and that under the threat of the sword and the law they comply with the observance of piety, just as you chain up wild beasts.

At Poltersberg, there is a lake similarly cursed. If you throw a stone into it, a dreadful storm immediately arises, and the whole neighboring district quakes to its centre. 'Tis the devils kept prisoner there.

At Sussen, the Devil carried off, last Good Friday, three grooms who had devoted themselves to him.

Demons live in many lands, but particularly in Prussia.

How often have not the demons called 'Nix,' drawn women and girls into the water, and there had commerce with them, with fearful consequences.

I almost feel like throwing Jimmy into the stove, as the priest in Kulenberg did.

I feel much freer now that I am certain the pope is the Antichrist.

I maintain that some Jew wrote the Book of James who probably heard about Christian people but never encountered any.

I myself saw and touched at Dessay, a child of this sort, which had no human parents, but had proceeded from the Devil. He was twelve years old, and, in outward form, exactly resembled ordinary children.

I should have no compassion on these witches; I should burn them all.

Idiots, the lame, the blind, the dumb, are men in whom the devils have established themselves: and all the physicians who heal these infirmities, as though they proceeded from natural causes, are ignorant blockheads.

In many countries there are particular places to which devils more especially resort. In Prussia there is an infinite number of evil spirits.

In Switzerland, on a high mountain, not far from Lucerne, there is a lake they call Pilate's Pond, which the Devil has fixed upon as one of the chief residences of his evil spirits.

Many demons are in woods, in waters, in wildernesses, and in dark poolly places ready to hurt...people.

Many sweat to reconcile St Paul and St James, but in vain. 'Faith justifies' and 'faith does not justify' contradict each other flatly. If any one can harmonize them I will give him my doctor's hood and let him call me a fool.

No gown worse becomes a than the desire to be wise.

Our bodies are always exposed to Satan. The maladies I suffer are not natural, but Devil's spells.

Reason is the greatest enemy that faith has: it never comes to the aid of spritual things, but--more frequently than not --struggles against the Divine Word.

Reason must be deluded, blinded, and destroyed. Faith must trample underfoot all reason, sense, and understanding, and whatever it sees must be put out of sight and ... know nothing but the word of God.

Snakes and monkeys are subjected to the demon more than other animals. Satan lives in them and possesses them. He uses them to deceive men and to injure them.

Some demons are also in the thick black clouds, which cause hail, lightning and thunder, and poison the air, the pastures and grounds.

The best way to get rid of the Devil, if you cannot kill it with the words of Holy Scripture, is to rail at and mock him. Music, too, is very good; music is hateful to him, and drives him far away.

The Devil can so completely assume the human form, when he wants to deceive us, that we may well lie with what seems to be a woman, of real flesh and blood, and yet all the while 'tis only the Devil in the shape of a woman. 'Tis the same with women, who may think that a man is in bed with them, yet 'tis only the Devil; and...the result of this connection is oftentimes an imp of darkness, half mortal, half devil.

The Devil fears the word of God, He can't bite it; it breaks his teeth.

The Devil, it is true, is not exactly a doctor who has taken degrees, but he is very learned, very expert for all that. He has not been carrying on his business during thousands of years for nothing.

The Devil, too, sometimes steals human children; it is not infrequent for him to carry away infants within the first six weeks after birth, and to substitute in their place imps.

The winds are nothing else but good or bad spirits. Hark! how the Devil is puffing and blowing....

There is no rustic so rude but that, if he dreams or fancies anything, it must be the whisper of the Holy Ghost, and he himself a prophet.

Copernicus wishes to reverse the entire science of astronomy; but sacred scripture tells us that Joshua commanded the sun to stand still, and not the earth.

To be a Christian, you must pluck out the eye of reason.

... two devils rose from the water, and flew off through the air, crying, 'Oh, oh, oh!' and turning one over another, in sportive mockery ...

We are at fault for not slaying the Jews.

We know, on the authority of Moses, that longer than six thousand years the world did not exist.

We may well lie with what seems to be a woman of flesh and blood, and yet all the time it is only a devil in the shape of a woman.

We need not invite the Devil to our table; he is too ready to come without being asked. The air all about us is filled with demons....

What shall we do with the Jews? I advise that all their prayer books and Talmudic writings...are to be taken from them.

What shall we do with the Jews? I advise that safe-conduct on the highways be abolished completely for the Jews.

What shall we do with the Jews? I advise that their rabbis be forbidden to teach on pain of loss of life and limb.

What shall we do with the Jews? Set fire to their synagogues or schools and bury and cover with dirt whatever will not burn, so that no man will ever again see a stone or cinder of them.

What shall we do with the Jews? Their homes also should be razed and destroyed.

When I was a child there were many witches, and they bewitched both cattle and men, especially children.

Whoever wants to be a Christian should tear the eyes out of his reason.

Women have but small and narrow chests, and broad hips, to the end that they should remain at home, sit still, keep house, and bear and bring up children.

So tenaciously should we cling to the world revealed by the Gospel, that were I to see all the Angels of Heaven coming down to me to tell me something different, not only would I not be tempted to doubt a single syllable, but I would shut my eyes and stop my ears, for they would not deserve to be either seen or heard.


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Morte
Good job quoting Luther (I think?). Glad to see you can use the internet to find the worse things people say. huh.gif

However there is a problem with your train of thought. You're so obsessed with attacking the beliefs you fail to acknowledge that it was Luther who said it, not God(or some other deity, to be impartial) not me, and not someone who lives down the street form you who is a Christian.

You would hold me and people who share my beliefs responsible for what someone said how long ago? As I said, you are no better than the person you accuse rolleyes.gif
Blyaunte
QUOTE (Morte @ Nov 2 2009, 12:05 PM) *
Good job quoting Luther (I think?). Glad to see you can use the internet to find the worse things people say. huh.gif


Well spotted. happy.gif

QUOTE (Morte @ Nov 2 2009, 12:05 PM) *
However there is a problem with your train of thought. You're so obsessed with attacking the beliefs you fail to acknowledge that it was Luther who said it, not God(or some other deity, to be impartial) not me, and not someone who lives down the street form you who is a Christian.


Shall I drag out a whole series of questionable quotations from the bible, instead?

QUOTE (Morte @ Nov 2 2009, 12:05 PM) *
You would hold me and people who share my beliefs responsible for what someone said how long ago? As I said, you are no better than the person you accuse rolleyes.gif


But, tell me, why would you uphold the values passed down by these same people [in this case, Martin Luther] -- and in the previous case, Mrs. Crackpot, that demonstrate, time and again, just how little PROGRESS religion, and in particular Christianity, has made over the past 450 years?
sUkRaM
In my country nobody is celebrating Halloween, because everybody know that is a stupid thing....
Morte
QUOTE (Blyaunte @ Nov 2 2009, 12:19 PM) *
But, tell me, why would you uphold the values passed down by these same people [in this case, Martin Luther] -- and in the previous case, Mrs. Crackpot, that demonstrate, time and again, just how little PROGRESS religion, and in particular Christianity, has made over the past 450 years?

I don't particularly uphold their values. I have my own, that I have thought over, and formed as I grew. Ignorance now such as Mrs. Crackpot originate from left over beliefs over things like people blaming demons for sickness before they knew about germs.

Christianity has made little progress in my opinion because anyone can claim to be Christian for their own gain.
D-Jizzy
QUOTE (Blyaunte @ Nov 2 2009, 10:16 AM) *
QUOTE (Riddick @ Nov 2 2009, 09:20 AM) *
Haha, that's stupid.

Also, how is this a debate?


Oh -- it will get there ...

But tell me, aside from the fact that it is obviously stupid -- don't you think this kind of fundie Christian stupidity is dangerous to mankind in general?

I mean, really -- this moron who wrote this articles prolly has CHILDREN -- and she prolly home-schools them!!!

*shudders*

Crappy argument is crappy.

I'm a Christian, and I only do not participate in Halloween because of the origins. I don't believe that those origins are practiced in today's world, but I abstain anyway, with exceptions.

I only associate Christmas with Jesus' birth because that is the day that is used. I recognize that the origins of that holiday are not appropriate in my view, but I still celebrate the holiday simply because the fact is few if any people know when Jesus was actually born.

Perhaps, Blyaunte, you are too convinced of your own right to realize that, guess what, not all people who "cling to religion" as you claim are not a bunch of 16th Century rubes. If you would quit holding that view, you would probably do a lot better at not making a fool of yourself in debates by creating pointless, useless straw man arguments that do not represent your opponents' views well, and in some cases, at all. Like Kwinten, you refuse to consider us to be anything higher than animals, and if that were the right way to debate, I could defeat liberals in any debate on any social issue, therefore, that method of debate must be incorrect.

If you continue to treat your opponents like animals, you may be right, but you won't win the debate.
Blyaunte
QUOTE (D-Jizzy)
QUOTE (Blyaunte)
QUOTE (Riddick)
Haha, that's stupid.

Also, how is this a debate?


Oh -- it will get there ...

But tell me, aside from the fact that it is obviously stupid -- don't you think this kind of fundie Christian stupidity is dangerous to mankind in general?

I mean, really -- this moron who wrote this articles prolly has CHILDREN -- and she prolly home-schools them!!!

*shudders*

Crappy argument is crappy.


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QUOTE (D-Jizzy)
I'm a Christian, and I only do not participate in Halloween because of the origins. I don't believe that those origins are practiced in today's world, but I abstain anyway, with exceptions.


Please discuss these "origins" of Hallowe'en which cause you to not participate therein. I am most curious.

QUOTE (D-Jizzy)
I only associate Christmas with Jesus' birth because that is the day that is used. I recognize that the origins of that holiday are not appropriate in my view, but I still celebrate the holiday simply because the fact is few if any people know when Jesus was actually born.


Again - I am fascinated to find out what you consider to be the "origins" of this holiday as well ...

QUOTE (D-Jizzy)
Perhaps, Blyaunte, you are too convinced of your own right to realize that, guess what, not all people who "cling to religion" as you claim are not a bunch of 16th Century rubes. If you would quit holding that view, you would probably do a lot better at not making a fool of yourself in debates by creating pointless, useless straw man arguments that do not represent your opponents' views well, and in some cases, at all.


So -- you don't believe in demon possessions and what-not? Yes or no?
D-Jizzy
If I'm not mistaken, Halloween is as the writer of the article stated, a holiday concerning spirits, and more specifically evil spirits. Christianity, as much as some people claim otherwise, is not animism.

What I dislike about the origins of Christmas is that December 25 was originally a sun worship holiday. This was because the effects of the winter solstice are not really common in the Northern Hemisphere for several days following the actual event, which occurs on December 21. I am not a sun worshiper. That's all I really need to say about it. Although I would celebrate Christmas on the day of Jesus' actual birth if we knew that, we don't, so I don't go looking for that date, and just confine myself to celebrating on what is in fact the wrong day (we know it's wrong because shepherds in ancient Israel were not active in the winter for obvious reasons. Have you ever tried keeping sheep out in the cold of winter? It doesn't work well).

I do believe in demonic possession, however, since Jesus' death and resurrection, the power of such spirits is either strongly suppressed or no longer existent in a post-sacrifice world (starting in AD 30-34, whenever Jesus died and rose again). Many theologists support this view and I feel that it is probably most reflective of modern conservative and progressive Christian doctrine.
Blyaunte
QUOTE (D-Jizzy)
If I'm not mistaken, Halloween is as the writer of the article stated, a holiday concerning spirits, and more specifically evil spirits. Christianity, as much as some people claim otherwise, is not animism.


Well, actually, Hallowe’en is more closely related to the Celtic harvest festival of “Samuin” – but if you wish to declare the Irish as evil and demonic, then that is your choice, I suppose.

QUOTE (D-Jizzy)
What I dislike about the origins of Christmas is that December 25 was originally a sun worship holiday.


There are, of course, those who will argue with you. In most "pagan" religions, there was always a winter solstice festival -- but my best guess is that it was Constantine, himself, that integrated the aspects of the popular Roman "Mithraic" religion (virgin birth, miracles, December 25th as the birth day) with his newly adopted Christian religion, in order to make Christianity more palatable to his Roman constituency.

QUOTE (D-Jizzy)
I do believe in demonic possession ...


Really? So you believe that there are magical creatures of malevolent power that seek to control us and make us do bad things?

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D-Jizzy
Blyaunte, if you continue to twist my words, I'm afraid I will have to do something more drastic than continue debating with you.

QUOTE
Well, actually, Hallowe’en is more closely related to the Celtic harvest festival of “Samuin” – but if you wish to declare the Irish as evil and demonic, then that is your choice, I suppose.

I gladly would, I'm half-Scottish tongue.gif
Morte
QUOTE (Blyaunte @ Nov 2 2009, 03:16 PM) *
Really? So you believe that there are magical creatures of malevolent power that seek to control us and make us do bad things?

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Magical, no. Spiritual, yes. tongue.gif

Demons are simply angels who chose to follow Lucifer in his rebellion and were cast out with him. They can only control you if you open yourself up to them. Much like any other thing that can "take over" your life, no?
Blyaunte
QUOTE (D-Jizzy @ Nov 2 2009, 03:18 PM) *
Blyaunte, if you continue to twist my words, I'm afraid I will have to do something more drastic than continue debating with you.


Such as, what? "Not" debating me? tongue.gif

Jethraw
QUOTE (D-Jizzy @ Nov 2 2009, 08:18 PM) *
Blyaunte, if you continue to twist my words, I'm afraid I will have to do something more drastic than continue debating with you.

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Well, actually, Hallowe’en is more closely related to the Celtic harvest festival of “Samuin” – but if you wish to declare the Irish as evil and demonic, then that is your choice, I suppose.

I gladly would, I'm half-Scottish tongue.gif


Leave us out of this! laugh.gif
D-Jizzy
QUOTE (Blyaunte @ Nov 2 2009, 03:28 PM) *
QUOTE (D-Jizzy @ Nov 2 2009, 03:18 PM) *
Blyaunte, if you continue to twist my words, I'm afraid I will have to do something more drastic than continue debating with you.


Such as, what? "Not" debating me? tongue.gif

QUOTE (Blyaunte)
Really? So you believe that there are magical creatures of malevolent power that seek to control us and make us do bad things?

This is called a straw man argument turned abusive.

I fail to see how that is good debating, especially when you twisted my words out of context.
Blyaunte
QUOTE (D-Jizzy @ Nov 2 2009, 03:57 PM) *
QUOTE (Blyaunte @ Nov 2 2009, 03:28 PM) *
QUOTE (D-Jizzy @ Nov 2 2009, 03:18 PM) *
Blyaunte, if you continue to twist my words, I'm afraid I will have to do something more drastic than continue debating with you.


Such as, what? "Not" debating me? tongue.gif

QUOTE (Blyaunte)
Really? So you believe that there are magical creatures of malevolent power that seek to control us and make us do bad things?

This is called a straw man argument turned abusive.

I fail to see how that is good debating, especially when you twisted my words out of context.


Okay - so I am supposed to use "good form", right? Fine - I'll do it Finway's way then.

Wow - you believe in demons? That is totally ignorant and stupid. How can you be that ignorant and stupid? Don't you know anything?

There -- better now?
theking1322
It takes a real idiot to reject religion or God based on this garbage, spewed out by some cult. closedeyes.gif
Blyaunte
QUOTE (theking1322 @ Nov 2 2009, 04:25 PM) *
It takes a real idiot to reject religion or God based on this garbage, spewed out by some cult. closedeyes.gif


So - Protestantism is a "cult"?
theking1322
QUOTE (Blyaunte @ Nov 2 2009, 04:28 PM) *
QUOTE (theking1322 @ Nov 2 2009, 04:25 PM) *
It takes a real idiot to reject religion or God based on this garbage, spewed out by some cult. closedeyes.gif


So - Protestantism is a "cult"?
I'm pretty sure your average Protestant doesn't think that way.

You tend to generalize too much.
D-Jizzy
I'm only asking that you do basic acts of decency, i.e. putting my whole quote in. Not the whole post but for goodness sake, put the sentence in. I don't see why that's so hard. If I could act decent for 45 minutes in front of an attractive girl, surely you can debate on a forum in a decent manner.
Shooter585
QUOTE (D-Jizzy @ Nov 2 2009, 04:42 PM) *
If I could act decent for 45 minutes in front of an attractive girl,

wat.

Blyaunte, you seem to be confusing the random 15th century lunatic with Christians today. Religion is not a cult, and although it is not always politically correct, it does teach people strong morals. Whether you believe in it or not, you should acknowledge that it has been good for society.

There are no winners in religious debates, their religious views likely will not be changed on an RuneScape forum.
redmonke
Does this Bly person really have nothing to do then make false accusations about beliefs? huh.gif

I saw a guy wearing all black with chains and white makeup on. I asked him if he was a Christian. He replied, "there is no god. I'm an atheist."

Atheists are guys who wear all black with chains and white makeup on (which means they have no sense of style!!!). wizard.gif
John Adams
QUOTE (Blyaunte @ Nov 2 2009, 10:16 AM) *
QUOTE (Riddick @ Nov 2 2009, 09:20 AM) *
Haha, that's stupid.

Also, how is this a debate?


Oh -- it will get there ...

But tell me, aside from the fact that it is obviously stupid -- don't you think this kind of fundie Christian stupidity is dangerous to mankind in general?

I mean, really -- this moron who wrote this articles prolly has CHILDREN -- and she prolly home-schools them!!!

*shudders*


They are as equally as "dangerous to mankind" as your intolerant view of anyone else is.

Also, there are plenty of homeschooled students, not homeschooled in the Christian manner. And there are plenty of school children who go to Christian, or other theist, school.

Also, on a side note: "prolly" is not a word.

QUOTE (Blyaunte @ Nov 2 2009, 12:19 PM) *
QUOTE (Morte @ Nov 2 2009, 12:05 PM) *
Good job quoting Luther (I think?). Glad to see you can use the internet to find the worse things people say. huh.gif


Well spotted. happy.gif

QUOTE (Morte @ Nov 2 2009, 12:05 PM) *
However there is a problem with your train of thought. You're so obsessed with attacking the beliefs you fail to acknowledge that it was Luther who said it, not God(or some other deity, to be impartial) not me, and not someone who lives down the street form you who is a Christian.


Shall I drag out a whole series of questionable quotations from the bible, instead?


Yes, demonstrate your fundamental ignorance of other religions by providing quotes from a book and mocking them.

QUOTE (Blyaunte @ Nov 2 2009, 12:19 PM) *
QUOTE (Morte @ Nov 2 2009, 12:05 PM) *
You would hold me and people who share my beliefs responsible for what someone said how long ago? As I said, you are no better than the person you accuse rolleyes.gif


But, tell me, why would you uphold the values passed down by these same people [in this case, Martin Luther] -- and in the previous case, Mrs. Crackpot, that demonstrate, time and again, just how little PROGRESS religion, and in particular Christianity, has made over the past 450 years?


You act as thou Atheism has "progressed" from when/ where it was first created. Which is false. Beliefs do not get anywhere. They are beliefs, and the core beliefs of any religion do not change. Theist religion will always, at the core, believe in a higher power. An atheist religion will always believe in the lack of a higher power, or any evidence of it. How do these beliefs "progress"? As I said before, they do not.

As a final note: I am an Atheist.

~John
theking1322
I have no problem with Atheists who don't believe in God but respect my choice to believe in Him. I respect their choice not to.

Ignorant atheists like Blyaunte are disgusting though. You know, the type that has nothing better to do than tell everyone how dangerous to mankind their religion is.
Phoenix Rider
I love the way you over generalised the beliefs of over 2 Billion people using the statements of ONE person.

I'm a Catholic. I'm sure that is already well known in these good forums. My religion is one of the most conservative of the Christian denominations. I do not agree (yet tolerate) same sex marriage and I am a firm enemy of abortion. Yet you do not see me calling out pagans and wiccans as proponents or orgies, sexual molestation and blood sacrifices? I even apologised on behalf of my faith to one in the General Chat.

Could it be that your little "reason" was nothing more than another attempt to bash and lash our faith in your typical intolerant fashion Blyaunte? That by making us appear as a herd of babbling morons, you somehow become more "elevated" or "enlightened" than me and many other rational thinkers in my religion? Let me tell you this, I was just listening to calls on Catholic Answers live awhile ago of concerned parents about Halloween. The host at the time, Tim Staples stated firmly that we as a religion has nothing against children practising the tradition.

It's when we have to draw the line, such as say when the accusations made by the person in the OP is taking place, that we stand against. and who draws the line? We expect the parents to do so. The same responsibility we give them in Harry Potter and other "magical" related works and media..
Dager
Bly, I am officially speechless from your sheer hate for a group of people for literaly no reason at all. I have seen you troll over 9000 times before on this board but this takes the cake. This is a DEBATE forum, since when has trolling had a place in a debate of any kind? Attacking others for their beliefs is not a healthy debate and only shows that you are close-minded. If you alienate people for their beliefs like this, then I'm sure you have alot more enemies then friends, I mean even Atheists are calling you out on how BS this is.
sUkRaM
Blyaunte is atheist?
theking1322
QUOTE (Phoenix Rider @ Nov 3 2009, 08:28 AM) *
I love the way you over generalised the beliefs of over 2 Billion people using the statements of ONE person.

I'm a Catholic. I'm sure that is already well known in these good forums. My religion is one of the most conservative of the Christian denominations. I do not agree (yet tolerate) same sex marriage and I am a firm enemy of abortion. Yet you do not see me calling out pagans and wiccans as proponents or orgies, sexual molestation and blood sacrifices. I even apologised on behalf of my faith to one in the General Chat.

Could it be that your little "reason was nothing more than another attempt to bash and lash our faith in your typical intolerant fashion Blyaunte? That by making us appear as a herd of babbling morons, you somehow become more "elevated" or "enlightened" than me and many other rational thinkers in my religion? Let me tell you this, I was just listening to calls on Catholic Answers live awhile ago of concerned parents about Halloween. The host at the time, Tim Staples stated firmly that we as a religion has nothing against children practising the tradition.

It's when we have to draw the line, such as say when the accusations made by the person in the OP is taking place, that we stand against. and who draws the line? We expect the parents to do so. The same responsibility we give them in Harry Potter and other "magical" related works and media..

+1

I am also Catholic, but Catholic isn't the most conservative form of Christianity, as it always evolves. Most Catholics, for example, believe that evolution and creation can co-exist, something that most of the religion-bashers on this forum have not yet grasped.

Bly, I've lost so much respect for you that I don't know if I can take your "arguments" seriously anymore.
Whiskas88
Bly, quick question for you, if you are an atheist, stating reasons you're atheists, why does it seem to me like you're merely attacking Christians? You don't seem to have mentioned other religions at all.

+1 to The King for pointing out that people can believe in both at the same time.

As for me, I'm not a Christian, or any other official religion, but I do strongly believe in God.
Irish of Lad
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I am also Catholic, but Catholic isn't the most conservative form of Christianity, as it always evolves. Most Catholics, for example, believe that evolution and creation can co-exist, something that most of the religion-bashers on this forum have not yet grasped.


+1000000

One example of one of these co-existing theories is based on the big bang, The big bang is an explosion which is said to have started the universe, in theory NOTHING existed before the big bang (there are many theorys that clash with this but) but if you think about it... this debated explosion couldn't have simply came out of nowhere, there must have been some MASSIVE power behind this again... one of the theories of what this power could have been is God.

Many theories clash with this theory but it's a theory nonetheless.
lilshu
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The big bang is an explosion which is said to have started the universe, in theory NOTHING existed before the big bang (there are many theorys that clash with this but)

That's not what the scientifically accepted theory claims.

It's amazing how many people think they know about BBT. tongue.gif
Irish of Lad
QUOTE (lilshu @ Nov 3 2009, 06:53 PM) *
QUOTE
The big bang is an explosion which is said to have started the universe, in theory NOTHING existed before the big bang (there are many theorys that clash with this but)

That's not what the scientifically accepted theory claims.

It's amazing how many people think they know about BBT. tongue.gif


*shrugs* what I was thought in R.E when we were learning how science and reigon could work together.
Doddsy
QUOTE (7irish Lad07 @ Nov 3 2009, 06:54 PM) *
QUOTE (lilshu @ Nov 3 2009, 06:53 PM) *
QUOTE
The big bang is an explosion which is said to have started the universe, in theory NOTHING existed before the big bang (there are many theorys that clash with this but)

That's not what the scientifically accepted theory claims.

It's amazing how many people think they know about BBT. tongue.gif


*shrugs* what I was thought in R.E when we were learning how science and reigon could work together.

Learn it in Physics then tongue.gif
Dager
Aren't we getting alittle off topic here? Wait....what was the original topic again?
Ruin
QUOTE (Dager @ Nov 3 2009, 06:42 PM) *
Aren't we getting alittle off topic here? Wait....what was the original topic again?



It was something on how all Christian are nuts who think demons possessed candy or something
D-Jizzy
QUOTE (Ruin @ Nov 3 2009, 05:46 PM) *
QUOTE (Dager @ Nov 3 2009, 06:42 PM) *
Aren't we getting alittle off topic here? Wait....what was the original topic again?



It was something on how all Christian are nuts who think demons possessed candy or something

Pretty much.

It wasn't much of a topic to begin with because everyone was saying that Blyaunte is crazy (who said she wasn't?)
Blyaunte
QUOTE (theking1322 @ Nov 2 2009, 04:25 PM) *
It takes a real idiot to reject religion or God based on this garbage, spewed out by some cult. closedeyes.gif


... "cult"?

The first article was post on Pat Robertson's own website -- that is, until they realized what it said, how offensive it was, and thought better of it to remove it from the site.

The second set of quotes I posted are from Martin Luther -- the founder of "Protestantism" ...

So -- which of these are a "cult" in your view -- Pat Robertson's "modern" take on demon candy possession or Martin Luther's vision.

I don't know about you, but I really don't seen much progress being made over the past 450 years, do you?

unsure.gif
D-Jizzy
I think the fact that the Protestant Church accepts that germs are real is a sign of progress, based on your senseless generalizations.

Also, Pat Robertson is a wacko fundamentalist. My dad is a conservative Christian to the core but thinks that Robertson is not trustworthy. So...to imitate your posts, Blyaunte...

unsure.gif
Blyaunte
QUOTE (Dager @ Nov 3 2009, 05:42 PM) *
Aren't we getting alittle off topic here? Wait....what was the original topic again?


That, in this modern age of science, technology and reason, there are still people who believe that witches and demons will possess you through candy ...

As a result, has Christianity actually managed to get itself out of the Dark Ages?

Judging by the results so far, I'd say the answer is a resounding "NO".
Dager
QUOTE (Blyaunte @ Nov 4 2009, 03:09 PM) *
QUOTE (Dager @ Nov 3 2009, 05:42 PM) *
Aren't we getting alittle off topic here? Wait....what was the original topic again?


That, in this modern age of science, technology and reason, there are still people who believe that witches and demons will possess you through candy ...

As a result, has Christianity actually managed to get itself out of the Dark Ages?

Judging by the results so far, I'd say the answer is a resounding "NO".

Please give the ratio of people who do believe this compaired to people who don't. I personaly have never met any Christians who think like that. The craziest Christian I have ever seen is Glenn Beck and I doubt even he believes this.
redmonke
QUOTE (Blyaunte @ Nov 4 2009, 02:09 PM) *
QUOTE (Dager @ Nov 3 2009, 05:42 PM) *
Aren't we getting alittle off topic here? Wait....what was the original topic again?


That, in this modern age of science, technology and reason, there are still people who believe that witches and demons will possess you through candy ...

As a result, has Christianity actually managed to get itself out of the Dark Ages?

Judging by the results so far, I'd say the answer is a resounding "NO".

Resounding? 1 person/2,100,000,000 people

DAMN

In this modern age, there are still Athiests making up conclusions based off of nothing.

As a result, has Athiesm actually managed to get its head out of its ass?

Judging by the results so far, I'd say the answer is a resounding "NO".
Ph201
QUOTE (redmonke @ Nov 4 2009, 04:25 PM) *
QUOTE (Blyaunte @ Nov 4 2009, 02:09 PM) *
QUOTE (Dager @ Nov 3 2009, 05:42 PM) *
Aren't we getting alittle off topic here? Wait....what was the original topic again?


That, in this modern age of science, technology and reason, there are still people who believe that witches and demons will possess you through candy ...

As a result, has Christianity actually managed to get itself out of the Dark Ages?

Judging by the results so far, I'd say the answer is a resounding "NO".

Resounding? 1 person/2,100,000,000 people

DAMN

In this modern age, there are still Athiests making up conclusions based off of nothing.

As a result, has Athiesm actually managed to get its head out of its ass?

Judging by the results so far, I'd say the answer is a resounding "NO".


Blyaunte, why do you believe that the idiots who believe demons can possess you through candy represent every Christian in the entire world?
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