Full Version: Do You Really Need To Live?
I often wonder if life is necessary.
Nope.
Not necessary, but enjoyable (sometimes)
Not necessary, but enjoyable (sometimes)
There is no meaning to life.
If you were dead, you wouldn't care about happiness.
You asked me if life is necessary. I answered No.
This isn't a debate open to controversy, it's merely a person's opinions.
Going by the definition of necessary:
Life is not required, if life did not exist the planets, galaxies and so forth would still function in the same manner as they currently do therefore life is not necessary, but since you have it why not enjoy it?
This isn't a debate open to controversy, it's merely a person's opinions.
Going by the definition of necessary:
QUOTE
–adjective
1. being essential, indispensable, or requisite: a necessary part of the motor.
2. happening or existing by necessity: a necessary change in our plans.
3. acting or proceeding from compulsion or necessity; not free; involuntary: a necessary agent.
4. Logic.
a. (of a proposition) such that a denial of it involves a self-contradiction.
b. (of an inference or argument) such that its conclusion cannot be false if its supporting premises are true.
c. (of a condition) such that it must exist if a given event is to occur or a given thing is to exist. Compare sufficient (def. 2).
–noun
5. something necessary or requisite; necessity.
6. necessaries, Law. food, clothing, etc., required by a dependent or incompetent and varying with his or her social or economic position or that of the person upon whom he or she is dependent.
7. Chiefly New England. a privy or toilet.
1. being essential, indispensable, or requisite: a necessary part of the motor.
2. happening or existing by necessity: a necessary change in our plans.
3. acting or proceeding from compulsion or necessity; not free; involuntary: a necessary agent.
4. Logic.
a. (of a proposition) such that a denial of it involves a self-contradiction.
b. (of an inference or argument) such that its conclusion cannot be false if its supporting premises are true.
c. (of a condition) such that it must exist if a given event is to occur or a given thing is to exist. Compare sufficient (def. 2).
–noun
5. something necessary or requisite; necessity.
6. necessaries, Law. food, clothing, etc., required by a dependent or incompetent and varying with his or her social or economic position or that of the person upon whom he or she is dependent.
7. Chiefly New England. a privy or toilet.
Life is not required, if life did not exist the planets, galaxies and so forth would still function in the same manner as they currently do therefore life is not necessary, but since you have it why not enjoy it?
QUOTE (Riddick @ Nov 16 2009, 10:01 PM) 
QUOTE (Treehugs_Yay @ Nov 17 2009, 01:31 PM)
There is no meaning to life.
That's not proven? So how do you know that?
Gtfo this topic and don't come back.
Since when was debate room "GTFO I HATE YOUR IDEA"?
On topic: Probably not. Life goes on after somebody dies. Even if the entire human race were to be wiped out, other species would just fill the space.
QUOTE (Riddick @ Nov 16 2009, 10:01 PM)
QUOTE (Treehugs_Yay @ Nov 17 2009, 01:31 PM)
There is no meaning to life.
That's not proven? So how do you know that?
Gtfo this topic and don't come back.
If it's not proven how are you sure there is a meaning to life?
Acting with a "holier then thou" attitude when you're holding a double edge sword to your neck is foolish.
Well, the big question is, "What is the purpose of existence?" nd the best answer is that the purpose of existence is to just be, thats a circular answer so in fact there is no purpose of existence, therefore there is no purpose of life and nothing t all is necessary. Whether you believe in God or not, there is no purpose to any existence.
As Neo says, "Life is just a bunch of experiences you have before you die."
QUOTE (Fnord @ Nov 16 2009, 08:31 PM)
If you were dead, you wouldn't care about happiness.
If you were dead you wouldn't understand what happiness is because there's no thoughts going through your head.
QUOTE (redmonke @ Nov 16 2009, 11:34 PM)
QUOTE (Fnord @ Nov 16 2009, 08:31 PM)
If you were dead, you wouldn't care about happiness.
If you were dead you wouldn't understand what happiness is because there's no thoughts going through your head.
Well played sir.
Why is this a debate? Seems pointless IMO.
Life is to be lived, and in the living you find the meaning, or lack thereof. "Do you need to live?" That is a question you must answer for yourself.
You know, given the vastness of space, and it's probable infinite reaches, and given that within that vastness space, there are a finite number of worlds, and given that only a very small number of those worlds are habitable by life forms, the average population of the universe is a number so incredibly small, that it's practically zero ...
QUOTE (Blyaunte @ Nov 17 2009, 04:48 PM)
You know, given the vastness of space, and it's probable infinite reaches, and given that within that vastness space, there are a finite number of worlds, and given that only a very small number of those worlds are habitable by life forms, the average population of the universe is a number so incredibly small, that it's practically zero ...
I don't believe humans have explored the entire universe, so how could you possibly know there isn't a million more habitable planets out there?
QUOTE (Blyaunte @ Nov 16 2009, 09:48 PM)
You know, given the vastness of space, and it's probable infinite reaches, and given that within that vastness space, there are a finite number of worlds, and given that only a very small number of those worlds are habitable by life forms, the average population of the universe is a number so incredibly small, that it's practically zero ...
That made absolutely no sense and had no relation to the topic at hand.
in order to care about it you need to live
you can't think without being alive
you can't think without being alive
Life is whatever you make it of it to put things simply. As Jack Nicholson said, it's purely a personal matter one has to come to terms with. religion, philosophy, morals; they all have words describing life's meaning. But in the end, it's you and your works that will give it that.
The the universe, life is practically irrelevant. To life, life is all it knows.
I live and always have throught my existence, therefore all I know is life. I wouldn't be me without life, so yes, for me to continue existing I need to live.
I live and always have throught my existence, therefore all I know is life. I wouldn't be me without life, so yes, for me to continue existing I need to live.
Looking at it theoretically, life is there to keep Earth's nature in balance (something humans have failed miserably at). However, plants are also alive, so you could say that the point of life is to keep other species alive and keep our planet's abiotics stable.
Humans have to take everything a lot more figurative and philosophic. So, for me, the point of life is to find a reason to live. And of course, to be happy. The point of your life is an individual thing. Some people use religion to give their life a point, which is fine for them. But I'd rather live for myself and the people I love, and not for a higher entity.
Humans have to take everything a lot more figurative and philosophic. So, for me, the point of life is to find a reason to live. And of course, to be happy. The point of your life is an individual thing. Some people use religion to give their life a point, which is fine for them. But I'd rather live for myself and the people I love, and not for a higher entity.
QUOTE (Gillis @ Nov 17 2009, 02:32 AM)
QUOTE (Blyaunte @ Nov 16 2009, 09:48 PM)
You know, given the vastness of space, and it's probable infinite reaches, and given that within that vastness space, there are a finite number of worlds, and given that only a very small number of those worlds are habitable by life forms, the average population of the universe is a number so incredibly small, that it's practically zero ...
That made absolutely no sense and had no relation to the topic at hand.
It makes perfect sense:
average population of the universe = finite number of inhabitable planets / infinite space = zero
As such, there is really, so very little life in the universe, on average, it's hardly worth mentioning ...
There is no purpose to life so we create a purpose and life our lifes as a lie pretending we are all more important than we actually are, but that shouldn't really be a reason to get to upset or do anything stupid. You might have no purpose but you still live and can have emotions and use the stupid little entertaining things we create to fill any voids!
Life is to big to understand and honestly to boring and probably to disappointing to want to know about anyway.
Life is to big to understand and honestly to boring and probably to disappointing to want to know about anyway.
Since this topic is basically about your opinion, i say no because there is a lot of ups and downs in life and most of those are downs (for most people)
QUOTE (Blyaunte @ Nov 17 2009, 09:38 AM)
QUOTE (Gillis @ Nov 17 2009, 02:32 AM)
QUOTE (Blyaunte @ Nov 16 2009, 09:48 PM)
You know, given the vastness of space, and it's probable infinite reaches, and given that within that vastness space, there are a finite number of worlds, and given that only a very small number of those worlds are habitable by life forms, the average population of the universe is a number so incredibly small, that it's practically zero ...
That made absolutely no sense and had no relation to the topic at hand.
It makes perfect sense:
average population of the universe = finite number of inhabitable planets / infinite space = zero
As such, there is really, so very little life in the universe, on average, it's hardly worth mentioning ...
There is no such thing as the average population of the universe. There's one population. You're applying a method in calculus to find something about life that doesn't exist. Even if what you said does make sense, it still has no relation to the topic at hand.
Fear of death drives you to live.
QUOTE (cjgone @ Nov 18 2009, 07:44 AM)
Fear of death drives you to live.
Fear of death does not exist for me. For me, the fear is not being able to finish what I wanted to accomplish and leave everybody I love behind.
However, I don't think I'll have to start living with that fear until I'm like 60.
If you'll die you'll get another life???
I don't think so
.... So life is necessery 
I don't think so
.... So life is necessery
QUOTE (Kwinten @ Nov 18 2009, 01:33 PM)
However, I don't think I'll have to start living with that fear until I'm like 60.
Because, you know ... Young people don't die.
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Do you need to live? No, certainly not. It's your own personal thrive that keeps you alive and the natural instincts we were born with. If you don't want to live, then you won't. At the end of it all, it has little meaning to it.
QUOTE (sUkRaM @ Nov 18 2009, 01:59 PM)
If you'll die you'll get another life???
I don't think so .... So life is necessery
I don't think so
.... So life is necessery You don't quite get the question, me thinks. For what is life necessairy? We die in the end anyway, and so will everyone else. The question is if you feel that there is a point to live.
You know, this question is incomplete. Is life necessary to what?
QUOTE (Demutig_wind @ Nov 19 2009, 12:24 AM)
You know, this question is incomplete. Is life necessary to what?
How is it not a complete question?
"Is life necessary?"
It depends on your definition and philosophy, you could say it's needed for a cause or unneeded for a cause, being that no cause was specified the question simply asked from my translation "Do you believe life is necessary?"
Necessary for what?
QUOTE (Demutig_wind @ Nov 19 2009, 12:42 AM)
Necessary for what?
Why are you trying to rationalize it by saying "for what?" Simply "Is life necessary?"
Like I said, I'm viewing it as a philosophical question.
You still need a "for what" if the question is going to be answered properly. You as 'Is life necessary" the mind just wanders over the possibilities of what it could be necessary for, and without a stopping point it just branching out to see if those are necessary until everybody ends up at the same place and answer which is no.
I'm not even sure really what philosophy is, its somehow different from psychology I know.
I'm not even sure really what philosophy is, its somehow different from psychology I know.
QUOTE (Gillis @ Nov 18 2009, 01:34 AM)
QUOTE (Blyaunte @ Nov 17 2009, 09:38 AM)
QUOTE (Gillis @ Nov 17 2009, 02:32 AM)
QUOTE (Blyaunte @ Nov 16 2009, 09:48 PM)
You know, given the vastness of space, and it's probable infinite reaches, and given that within that vastness space, there are a finite number of worlds, and given that only a very small number of those worlds are habitable by life forms, the average population of the universe is a number so incredibly small, that it's practically zero ...
That made absolutely no sense and had no relation to the topic at hand.
It makes perfect sense:
average population of the universe = finite number of inhabitable planets / infinite space = zero
As such, there is really, so very little life in the universe, on average, it's hardly worth mentioning ...
There is no such thing as the average population of the universe. There's one population. You're applying a method in calculus to find something about life that doesn't exist. Even if what you said does make sense, it still has no relation to the topic at hand.
So - if there's "one population" in the entire universe, it remains a finite number, and therefore within the infinity of space, the average population of the universe is, likewise, still practically zero ...
Yes it is neccassary. How else would you be able to post this thread
But that doesn't mean that life is something that is needed. You need life to do things but that doesn't give it a greater purpose. We don't need to life, we choose to mainly because having no thought process scares the shizzle out of people.
Life enables us to achieve dreams which would be otherwise unreachable without life. But necessary? Of course not.
QUOTE (Demutig_wind @ Nov 19 2009, 06:53 AM)
You still need a "for what" if the question is going to be answered properly. You as 'Is life necessary" the mind just wanders over the possibilities of what it could be necessary for, and without a stopping point it just branching out to see if those are necessary until everybody ends up at the same place and answer which is no.
I'm not even sure really what philosophy is, its somehow different from psychology I know.
I'm not even sure really what philosophy is, its somehow different from psychology I know.
Are you going to completely ignore the question, that everyone else is understanding, because it is poorly phrased?
QUOTE (LightSlei @ Nov 16 2009, 09:34 PM)
You asked me if life is necessary. I answered No.
This isn't a debate open to controversy, it's merely a person's opinions.
Going by the definition of necessary:
Life is not required, if life did not exist the planets, galaxies and so forth would still function in the same manner as they currently do therefore life is not necessary, but since you have it why not enjoy it?
This isn't a debate open to controversy, it's merely a person's opinions.
Going by the definition of necessary:
QUOTE
–adjective
1. being essential, indispensable, or requisite: a necessary part of the motor.
2. happening or existing by necessity: a necessary change in our plans.
3. acting or proceeding from compulsion or necessity; not free; involuntary: a necessary agent.
4. Logic.
a. (of a proposition) such that a denial of it involves a self-contradiction.
b. (of an inference or argument) such that its conclusion cannot be false if its supporting premises are true.
c. (of a condition) such that it must exist if a given event is to occur or a given thing is to exist. Compare sufficient (def. 2).
–noun
5. something necessary or requisite; necessity.
6. necessaries, Law. food, clothing, etc., required by a dependent or incompetent and varying with his or her social or economic position or that of the person upon whom he or she is dependent.
7. Chiefly New England. a privy or toilet.
1. being essential, indispensable, or requisite: a necessary part of the motor.
2. happening or existing by necessity: a necessary change in our plans.
3. acting or proceeding from compulsion or necessity; not free; involuntary: a necessary agent.
4. Logic.
a. (of a proposition) such that a denial of it involves a self-contradiction.
b. (of an inference or argument) such that its conclusion cannot be false if its supporting premises are true.
c. (of a condition) such that it must exist if a given event is to occur or a given thing is to exist. Compare sufficient (def. 2).
–noun
5. something necessary or requisite; necessity.
6. necessaries, Law. food, clothing, etc., required by a dependent or incompetent and varying with his or her social or economic position or that of the person upon whom he or she is dependent.
7. Chiefly New England. a privy or toilet.
Life is not required, if life did not exist the planets, galaxies and so forth would still function in the same manner as they currently do therefore life is not necessary, but since you have it why not enjoy it?
You kinda posed the whole "If a tree fell and noone was around to hear it" conundrum there.
But otherwise a good point. Life, is necessary to life. Just as existence is necessary to existence. The word necessary should be more turned into Necessary for.
Aka, energy is necessary for movement. Not for the lack of.
So if you would reinstate your question to be more, explained, then it can be better answered.
Live while you can, even through hardships. What if whatever waiting for you when you die is bad? Then, you'll have regretted living.
everybody gets born with a life without purpose
you and only you decide that you give a meaning to it or not
in 200 years, nobody will remember me (if i get children/grandchildren..); unless i stand up and make people remember my name; like napoleon did
but next to that; life itself has one meaning: MAKE BABY'S; SO WHERE ARE THE CHICKS IN HERE?
you and only you decide that you give a meaning to it or not
in 200 years, nobody will remember me (if i get children/grandchildren..); unless i stand up and make people remember my name; like napoleon did
but next to that; life itself has one meaning: MAKE BABY'S; SO WHERE ARE THE CHICKS IN HERE?
I live because I was born. I will make a fake Wikipedia article about me about how great I was to fake that I was famous.
if you werent alive, you couldnt ask this question. i know this is a pointless topic and meant to be funny, but its still stupid. if there was no life, there would be no anything. and "i wonder if life is neccessary". of course it is genius
Depends on what you consider necessary.
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