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If you're interested, I would be happy to discuss climate change with you in this blog entry, specifically which parts you find to be flawed or lacking in evidence. If you would indeed like to, if you could post arguments that go beyond links to Jesse Ventura youtube videos I would appreciate it. Thanks, and I hope to hear from you.

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I don't debate shear hoax. I actually pay no attention to the blind masses that are scared because of the fear tactics that the media+federal government have thrown upon the majority of America. I've seen your novels of text that merely state that temperatures have raised slightly over the past years, and I've already given credible sources and facts that shoot down your arguments that man-made interference matters in the slightest. If you want to be blindly manipulated through the fear tactics of going green pondering whether the earth is going to melt or freeze over due to man-made intervention when clear facts have stated that it's all a natural occurrence, not mah problem-o. And I've only responded to this because this seems to be an obsessive topic with you, I have noticed this. So I thought I'd fulfill your wishes and make a nice reply.

 

Much love and hope you realize reality.

 

Sincerely,

 

Ghostfoot.

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It's something I talk about a lot for two reasons. One, I find earth science/climate science in general to be interesting. Two, I feel that it is an important issue and one that is often distorted and misunderstood. I really would like it if you would leave off with the rhetoric and assumptions and rely on observation and peer-reviewed evidence (Jesse Ventura's Conspiracy Theory doesn't quite meet the bar), but I suppose I can't force you to do so.

 

I'll just ask you this. You seem to be quite convinced that not only is a scientific theory the result of a worldwide, multi-century conspiracy, but that it would be a very bad thing if the public were to accept it as true. If this is really the case, don't you want to take the time to convince those of us on Sal's who aren't aware like you that we've been duped? I still have a hard time believing you're not just trolling.

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If this is really the case, don't you want to take the time to convince those of us on Sal's who aren't aware like you that we've been duped?

 

No because the majority of users on this forum are beyond stubborn and do not listen to reason outside the norm of average media society.

 

But possibly I'll muster up more painfully obvious arguments tonight or tomorrow.

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If you do, I promise to do my best to listen to reason outside the norm of average media society. :cute:

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I know this doesn't really involve me, but I honestly couldn't care less about climate change. After all, I'm not going to be here when the supposed 'catastrophes' of a melting Ozone layer kick in. Call me selfish, but I don't see the need to worry.

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I know this doesn't really involve me, but I honestly couldn't care less about climate change. After all, I'm not going to be here when the supposed 'catastrophes' of a melting Ozone layer kick in. Call me selfish, but I don't see the need to worry.

I can understand that. It's hard to want to fix something whenever it isn't easy to see whether or not it will directly affect us. I think that's just human nature. It's partially true--the worst effects of climate change wont occur during our lifetime. However, climate change is expected to increase the frequency and severity of extreme weather events (and actually is thought to have already started doing so). So while the most significant impacts of ocean acidification, species extinction, and sea level rise wont be felt by this generation, it is likely that we will experience droughts, hurricanes, and snowstorms that we might not have experienced had we not raised global average temperatures so much.

 

Also, I don't mean to be nit-picky, but the ozone hole isn't the same thing as climate change. While they're both because of our emissions, the ozone hole was caused by mostly by stuff like CFCs. Climate change is driven primarily by CO2 emissions.

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Ghostfoot, seeing as you haven't replied thus far, I'll go ahead and be my obstinate and annoying self and respond to the one argument you've posted. :cute:

 

I don't debate shear [sic] hoax

If climate change is a hoax, it might very well be the most impressive hoax ever. 9/11, the moon landing, and Elvis' death are events that would be far easier to fabricate and pass off as true, and that's saying something (especially in the case of the first two). For climate change to be a hoax, all of the following would have to be true:

 

1) The conspiracy would have had to have been put in place before the Civil War. John Tyndall (Irish) discovered that CO2 traps heat in the 1850s. Svante Arrhenius (Swedish) predicted the Greenhouse Effect in 1896 (and his prediction for climate sensitivity was pretty damn close to the accepted number today, which is impressive :P). These guys lived over 100 years ago in different countries, and their work is the foundation for our current understanding of the climate.

 

2) The conspiracy would have to be worldwide, and I mean worldwide. No national academy of science rejects the consensus position. The last IPCC report referenced 6,000 peer reviewed papers. It had more that 450 lead authors and 800 contributing authors. Do you know how hard it would be to include thousands of people all over the world in a conspiracy and produce thousands of documents without it getting out?

 

3) If it's just a hoax, it doesn't seem to be accomplishing much. Climate talks in Copenhagen, Cancun, and Durban haven't produced any significant binding deal to cut CO2 levels to that recommended by scientists. Tell me, if this hoax is perpetrated by people intelligent and powerful enough to fake 150+ years of research from people all over the globe, fake satellite measurements and tens of thousands of temperature stations (and even those run by skeptics, I might add), fabricate tens of thousands of peer reviewed papers, and keep thousands of co-conspirators from all walks of life quiet about it, why can't they do something as simple as pass legally binding limits on emissions?

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Conspiracy theorist.. They love spewing their rhetoric when unchallenged but flee, get defensive or make excuses when faced with rigorous arguments and evidence. They would rather expand the bubble of the conspiracy to include those who disagree with them rather than take on the arguments himself. Ghostfoot's behavior is a example of that.

 

Kudos heb0. For bringing down the cold hammer of science when needed.

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Conspiracy theorist.. They love spewing their rhetoric when unchallenged but flee, get defensive or make excuses when faced with rigorous arguments and evidence. They would rather expand the bubble of the conspiracy to include those who disagree with them rather than take on the arguments himself. Ghostfoot's behavior is a example of that.

 

Kudos heb0. For bringing down the cold hammer of science when needed.

 

I'm sorry, but we all don't live in this forum Distinguished Member. Maybe instead of kissing around with kudos, you could say something about the topic yourself. By the way, you act like conspiracy theorist is such a bad thing. I, by no means claim a title of conspiracy theorist though, I am a realist.

 

Heb0, I haven't forgotten about your want for my response on this topic, I'm very busy lately but I'll post something sometime tonight. I only have time to scan through breaking news for a minute about everyday.

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You mean we can't continue this discussion in the confines of my blog? I would hate to spam up the debate room when I could instead take one for the team and increase my blog comments. :angel:

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