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Wait, "is" or "isn't?" That comment paired with the one above it confused me a tad, unless the first sentence was sarcasm.

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Like I said, I'm reserving my judgement. If there's something in the emails that verifies it, I'll accept it as true. However, I'm trying not to jump to conclusions. Hackings/email dumps are easy to twist to make a certain way if you take a line or two out of context. The same thing happened with "climategate." Lots of individual lines that, taken out of context, looked fishy, but whenever you really looked into it it turned out to be nothing.

 

I've downloaded part of the dump and am looking through it. Someone I know on fb is doing the same. They found the below email. I haven't been able to find it yet. The biggest thing I've seen so far on my own is a few people saying they were voting for Ron Paul, which doesn't mean anything as he can't control who votes for him. However, if I can verify the below email, things at least look a bit suspicious for him.

 

Here's the supposed email:

 

Email from Paul campaign worker to Jamie Kelso (assistant to David Duke and prominent figure in the A3P):

"Jamie, just wanted you to know that I though it was ashame that you were treated so badly at the CPAC meeting. I intend to let Ron Paul know that you have a large following, and are well respected by many White people. There was no reason for Ron Paul's man to get involved in any lobby conversation that you may have---now or in the future. Paul should apologize to you personally---there was no reason for you to be insulted by some weird looking flunky of Paul. Let me tell you Jamie, Paul has some real characters in his family tree in Pennsylvania. They wouldn't be too hard to locate in the Dormont-Greentree area. :wink_smile: Sincerely, Penn Dutch"

 

Paul's #2 guy in Illinois is a huge Kelso supporter:

"Subject: You've got an admirer in Imbar Date: Nov Mon 2009 To: Alexander Hamilton ([email protected]) From: Jamie Kelso ([email protected]) Text: Hello Alexander, Hey, great posting. Imbar just called me and he likes your stuff too. Imbar is Ron Paul's #2 man in Illinois. Owns his own manufacturing company. Young guy like you. Jeff (Imbar) and I have been buddies for years. We met up with Ron Paul in Ames, Iowa in Aug. 2007. Nice work, Jamie"

 

Paul meeting scheduled with Kelso:

"From: Jamie Kelso ([email protected]) Text: Hello Ben, Thanks for getting me to get out my maps and Google and check more closely on this photo's location. You're right...it's not where I thought it was. But..it is in a DIFFERENT Glacier Park which is in B.C. This is Mt. Sir Donald about 60 miles west of Banff. Hey, do you like these National Park and Nature themed banners? I'm really going wild on them. We'll have hundreds of great banners here on WhiteNewsNow soon. We'll have the most interesting top of the forum anywhere. Thanks for the great good effect that your presence and posting here has on what we're accomplishing. I appreciate getting a bunch of messages from you, please keep 'em coming. See ya', Jamie P.S. I'm arriving in Wash.,DC at 3:30pm on Wednesday, Feb. 17th at Reagan Airport (in DC). I'm leaving on Tuesday morning Feb. 23 from Reagan. We'll be meeting up with Nick Griffin on Wednesday night..a few of us. I let Nick know about the CPAC going on on Thurs. and Fri. at the Marriott Hotel north of the White House. Nick loved the idea of getting to this...since there will be 10,000+ right-wing White folks at the Conservative Political Action Conference. Ron Paul will be there Fri. afternoon. Want to meet up with him?

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I really don't think it's likely that the entire thing is fake. However, from the looks of it, there could be a few possibilities.

 

1) There are people at different levels of the Paul campaign who are racists. This isn't terribly disturbing if it's just lower down, as getting involved with campaigns on the lower level isn't that hard (I have friends who were part of Paul's campaign), and you get odd types everywhere (case in point--the campaign organizer for Rand Paul that assaulted the moveon.org protester). This by itself wouldn't mean Paul is a racist. However, it looks like some very high-up people are involved. That would be the incriminating part.

 

2) There are people in these supremacist movements who like to play up their relationship with Paul. For example, someone who attends a conference like CPAC trying to drop Paul's name and act as if they are close to impress others.

 

3) Ron Paul is racist or supports/collaborates with racist groups.

 

It could be one of those or any combination of multiple ones. The above emails aren't completely incriminating, but they do throw some very bad light on Paul.

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For me, it comes down to this: whether or not he met with or had conference calls with leaders of these groups. If that turns out to be true, I think there's fairly solid evidence that this isn't just coincidental.

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For me, it comes down to this: whether or not he met with or had conference calls with leaders of these groups. If that turns out to be true, I think there's fairly solid evidence that this isn't just coincidental.
I'm not sure why that'd really matter.

If a presidential candidate is personally having 1 on 1 conversations with Neo-Nazi groups?

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For me, it comes down to this: whether or not he met with or had conference calls with leaders of these groups. If that turns out to be true, I think there's fairly solid evidence that this isn't just coincidental.
I'm not sure why that'd really matter.
If a presidential candidate is personally having 1 on 1 conversations with Neo-Nazi groups?
Yeah.He represents them; they are American citizens. Isn't it part of his job?

It would be impossible for a candidate to have similar 1 on 1 conversations with every other group of similar influence, let alone ones that represent a large portion of his constituents.

 

Any time a presidential candidate meets one-on-one with a particular group, he/she is giving them significantly higher levels of attention than their average constituent. If they were just attending his rallies, asking to take pictures with him, and writing him letters, and if he was just speaking to them as part of a larger group at those rallies, agreeing to take pictures with them, and answering those letters, it would be just part of his job.

 

I know two people who have campaigned for Paul in 2008 and 2012, have attended every local/state event for both Ron and Rand Paul they could, have managed his campaign on the local level, and they've never had a personal conference call with him. The closest they've gotten was to have their picture taken with him, and that's something open to anyone determined and patient enough.

 

I don't think there's anything wrong with them if he meets them individually and not in the context of their organization. But having conference calls with the directors of a hate group similar to the KKK, together as a group? That wouldn't strike you as a bit fishy?

 

Example: If a presidential candidate had a conference call with the board of directors of the Sierra Club, would you say he/she was having a conference a dozen or so of his constituents, or would you say he was having a conference call with the Sierra Club?

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It may be arguable whether or not something like that would mean he would show favoritism from a policy standpoint. But by the very definition of the word favoritism, though, wouldn't having a conference call with them be personally showing favoritism over other more representative groups that he didn't have a conference call with?

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