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Jagex never learns (at least imo)

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As some of you know, I don't like EoC. I honestly think Jagex could have found a way for us to be able to choose which combat system to use, other than making us go back to the lower graphics version, and start all over. And now, they are forcing their new interface on us. Personally, I don't like the new interface, and from what I personally have seen on the game, 50% seem to agree with me. I must say though, some people I talked to love the new interface, which I really don't see why. I'm not saying they shouldn't have added this new interface into the game, I just think they could have kept the old interface as an option in the interface selection. No, I'm not talking about their "classic", or "oldschool" interface, which is just their new interface, in a layout reminiscent of the old interface. I mean the old interface itself. I like how they put the crater in a part of RuneScape that never gets used. At least that isn't forced on us (though I do like the crater and the new graphics). But the graphics is another thing, they could have given an option about. These new graphics are creating alot of lag on some people's computers apparently (probably old computers, tbh). My computer doesn't seem effected, but my neighbor keeps disconnecting, even when he leaves the crater, and I know that my college's computers, and the public library's computers, can no longer be used as reliable computers to play RS. It's been 3 hours, and 5 of my friends already quit RS, because of the new interface alone, though unlike me, 3 of those friends liked the EoC. After EoC, I basically stopped playing the game, but I still got on and went to POH parties to chat with people, but now I'm thinking of quitting for good.

 

What are your guys' thoughts?



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the interface is customizable and you can still run the game on Java.

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the interface is customizable and you can still run the game on Java.

Yeah, but its still cluttered. I like the old interface better, because it was more organized. Idk if that's the thing with anybody who doesn't like this interface, or maybe they have another reason. I'm glad they didn't make us install anything else to play the game though.

This is the same song and dance with every update they do. :P

Maybe, but unlike the other updates, which normally just effect a small part of the game, this update effects the game as a whole. Idk if your comment is aimed at me (in which case it isn't true, I generally like the updates), or if it is aimed at the RS community in general.

 

Anyways, I like today's update, my only problem, which I hate, and can't stand, is the interface. I know alot of people like this update, but as this effects the whole game, it would be nice if Jagex would have given the option to keep the old interface. As far as I can see, the old interface isn't missing anything that the new interface has, and it wouldn't create any conflicts with the game.

 

Likewise, I like the new graphics even though I didn't notice a difference other than the gods lol, but I know that some people are having issues with it. I saw some people say they don't like the new graphics (lolwut?), but most of them were saying that they thought the new graphics were causing them to lag more. No concrete proof that is true though, but if it is, then Jagex should have kept the old graphics an option too

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Adam?, on , said:

 

the interface is customizable and you can still run the game on Java.

Yeah, but its still cluttered. I like the old interface better, because it was more organized. Idk if that's the thing with anybody who doesn't like this interface, or maybe they have another reason. I'm glad they didn't make us install anything else to play the game though.

lilshu, on , said:

 

This is the same song and dance with every update they do. :P

Maybe, but unlike the other updates, which normally just effect a small part of the game, this update effects the game as a whole. Idk if your comment is aimed at me (in which case it isn't true, I generally like the updates), or if it is aimed at the RS community in general.

 

Anyways, I like today's update, my only problem, which I hate, and can't stand, is the interface. I know alot of people like this update, but as this effects the whole game, it would be nice if Jagex would have given the option to keep the old interface. As far as I can see, the old interface isn't missing anything that the new interface has, and it wouldn't create any conflicts with the game.

 

Likewise, I like the new graphics even though I didn't notice a difference other than the gods lol, but I know that some people are having issues with it. I saw some people say they don't like the new graphics (lolwut?), but most of them were saying that they thought the new graphics were causing them to lag more. No concrete proof that is true though, but if it is, then Jagex should have kept the old graphics an option too

This is the same as when people gripe about new facebook layouts, but using the new interface will become second nature. And major updates are always laggy.

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Give it a week or two, everyone will get over it.

Oh, and it's not all that different than the old one, it just looks a lot better.

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I think that some people just hate change. I am very much like that, but I am perhaps not as big a doomsayer as people that go "I quit!" over something like this.

 

From what I saw, you could switch between Java and HTML5, so that is hardly a big issue.

 

As for Evolution of Combat, then I think that entire debacle is a thing of the past. That is here to stay and that is just a reality. Evolution of Combat is a mechanic change, and those often take a year or two to create from the conception stage to it being released. Evolution of Combat was such a massive overhaul that it ought to be crystal clear that they would not just revert it straight away.

As for offering both the old combat style and the new one... they would be insane to do so, because it would create massive imbalance issues between the two combat styles, and Jagex would completely fail whenever they wanted to release some combat-related content, because what the stronger style might find challenging, the weakest style would find it theoretically impossible.

 

As for the interface... well I was just confused, not having played RuneScape since 2007, but I quickly got the hang of it with some mouse-over tooltips and the sheer fact that you can customize most of the components. Heck, there was even a list of templates that had pre-set settings such as Retro, Classic and one that was very nostalgic which I think was the Old-School one. I see it as a non-issue. If someone that had not played for 6 years could navigate through the new interface and also feel familiar with the layouts, then I think Jagex did a good job. For many players it will perhaps feel new, unnatural and not... right... but the more you play with it, the more familiar you become and after a while, it is just second nature yet again. :P

 

I must admit, I am somewhat curious about the game and thinking about having some nostalgic fun here and there, which is surprising to me since I really thought myself done with RuneScape. :xd:

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Why are you still complaining about EOC. Just throw on Momentum if you really don't like it still.

 

As for your 50%, I really don't think you did a big enough study to warrant that number.

 

You just need to learn to adapt and move on. Everything changes. If everybody in the game complained about updates like you and your friends, this game would still be in Runescape Classic. Just imagine what happened when the switch from classic to RS2 was made.

 

If your friends are really quitting 5 hours after what was essentially just an interface update, then they've probably played RS3 for all of 10 minutes after it was released.

 

Nothing is being forced upon you. You still have the option to use momentum. You can use old-school interface (its just blue now...). You're overreacting.

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tldr: Just because I or my friends, whom I don't speak for, don't like an update, doesn't give you guys the rights to say we are opposed to change, nor to assume we are new to the game. I could easily say that you guys are the new ones, who just started playing the game, and that's why you like the new interface, but I didn't. I know I only talked to a minority of people, which I didn't make clear in my original post, but I was still surprised at the amount of people that agreed with me. If you guys like the new interface, that's fine, I'm not saying jagex shouldn't have implemented it, I'm saying they could have given the option for an actual "old school interface", and not their knockoff. It wouldn't change how you guys play the game, nor any1 else. All it would do to effect the game, is effect how people play the game, which would make it easier for some people.

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This blog entry is NOT about EOC. I was just using EOC to elaborate on what I meant by the title.

Judging by some of the responses, I don't think you guys read my whole entry. I DO like the majority of today's updates. The only thing I don't like is the new interface style. And when I said 50%, I meant about 50% of the people I talked to, which was approximately 70-80 people in the crater, 40 people in the GE, 10 people at an evil tree, and idk how many people in the 4 POH's, not 50% of the players in the game, which I am guessing it would have been different, though I don't know how different. I am well aware that that is a minority of the game, but given, that there are at least quite a few, possibly more, players who are unhappy with the interface, which tbh I thought I was going to be the only one thinking this way. Anyways, unlike my example of a "solution" to the EOC, which as you pointed out has flaws, the 2 different interfaces don't have any differences that would have a change on the game, just how you view the game. That's what I am talking about. I don't see what would be so hard about keeping the old interface as an option, along with the new ones.

 

Don't get me wrong, the new interfaces can be useful, in particular, I like the concept of the social interface. but for me, the layout of the new interface seems sloppy, and I liked the old layout, even though it is old as dust :P.

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are people who complained about RS classic, and Jagex did bring it back, though, like the 07 servers, you have to start all over.

 

And idk about 2 of the 5 friends, but I know for a fact that 3 of those friends have played longer than me, which I am going on my eighth year of playing RS. Just because we dislike a few updates, doesn't mean we hate change. All in all, this is the 3rd update in 8 years, I have had a major problem with, the other being free trade/wildy (which brought back the scammers/hackers), EoC, and this.

 

"Nothing is being forced on you". So I have the option to go back to the old interface exactly as it was, and not the knockoff? I'm not going into EOC, as I didn't make this entry for that topic.

 

While you guys say I'm over reacting, I feel justified to tell you I feel you are over reacting to my blog entry, accusing me and my friends of not accepting change, because Jagex made a change in the game which could have been better implemented. I'm not trying to say its a bad update, I know many people like it, just as there are those who don't. As a company, they would have been better off keeping the old interface as an option. I really don't see what harm it would do. The new interface is scattered, and unorganized, and those players who have played for a long time are used to the old system, and while I can't speak for them, I can honestly say that this interface imo is overhyped, and the old style was much neater and organized.

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Don't get me wrong, the new interfaces can be useful, in particular, I like the concept of the social interface. but for me, the layout of the new interface seems sloppy, and I liked the old layout, even though it is old as dust .

 

That's why it's customisable? If you don't like it, just change the damn thing as you can move anything anywhere.

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For all people complaining about interface: There is a way to bring back the old interface by hitting "classic" somewhere (I'm guessing on the interface setup). It looks exactly like the interface before the new one.

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And as you say it yourself, "I liked the old layout, even though it is old as dust". You like the old layout because you're accustomed to it. It's getting outdated. If you really want to keep the old interface, there are many ways to do so. This new interface is almost completely customizable. This game was made for kids, not rocket scientists and all it takes is a few minutes of moving things here and there to make an interface that suits you.

 

It's literally fully customizable. You either must not understand how to use it or just don't want to try.

 

Naturally there will be some bugs as with all big updates but I'm sure they will be fixed. If you have a problem with something that doesnt work, stop complaining and make a point about it on forums. They have a NIS feedback section for bugs and glitches on RSOF.

 

Find me any other online MMORPG that keeps old versions of the game for you to play. Jagex a keeps outdated versions of the game for you to play. Jagex at least put classic up and RS07 but let's be real. The only reason most people play those games is for nostalgia's sake.

 

If we kept every past version of this game just so people could play it the way they liked, we would never get anywhere.

 

 

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And as you say it yourself, "I liked the old layout, even though it is old as dust". You like the old layout because you're accustomed to it. It's getting outdated. If you really want to keep the old interface, there are many ways to do so. This new interface is almost completely customizable. This game was made for kids, not rocket scientists and all it takes is a few minutes of moving things here and there to make an interface that suits you.

 

It's literally fully customizable. You either must not understand how to use it or just don't want to try.

 

Naturally there will be some bugs as with all big updates but I'm sure they will be fixed. If you have a problem with something that doesnt work, stop complaining and make a point about it on forums. They have a NIS feedback section for bugs and glitches on RSOF.

 

Find me any other online MMORPG that keeps old versions of the game for you to play. Jagex a keeps outdated versions of the game for you to play. Jagex at least put classic up and RS07 but let's be real. The only reason most people play those games is for nostalgia's sake.

 

If we kept every past version of this game just so people could play it the way they liked, we would never get anywhere.

 

 

Unlike some people, (not aimed at any1 specifically), I don't jump the gun, especially when making an opinion. This is no different. I fully understand how the interface works, and if you look, I said it has its usefulness. I have toyed around and made it as close to the old version, as I can that works best for me, but I still do not like it. So please stop making the assumptions that I don't know what I am doing. "This game was made for kids, not rocket scientists". Wouldn't it make more sense than to have a layout available where everything is preset, like the old version?

 

I am also well aware of the bug reporting, I have already submitted 3 bug reports, within the first hour of playing RS3.

 

You may have a point there, but idk, I don't play any other MMORPG.

 

You guys say I'm over reacting, but really, all I was trying to say is that I don't like the new interface, and I noticed I wasn't the only one, and as the interface is a major function of how you play the WHOLE game, it would've been nice if Jagex would have kept the old interface, which imo is easier to use, even after getting used to the new interface. And look how you guys react. Tell me again who is really over reacting, please!.

 

And as far as I have seen, RS3 isn't really all that new, its basically the same as before, which wouldn't warrant saving RS2. The only changes were lumbridge, the gods' graphics, and the interface, which could have been kept as an OPTION in the game, as it only effects how people see the game. If your comment about the previous version of the game was aimed at my opinion on EoC, just let it go, I don't want to discuss that here, this is mainly for the interface.

 

edit:corrected a typo; sentence misworded

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My comment about the previous version of the game is about the fact the game gets updated and you have to deal with it. If you don't want to adjust to it, then quit. I'm not saying you're not allowed to.

 

I'm simply saying quitting over something like the interface is very pretty silly. I don't think this system is frustrating enough to quit over.

 

You asked for my opinion and I'm providing it. I'm not overreacting in my opinion. I do think you are though if you want to quit over the NIS. Then again, updates affect people differently. People quit over the Wildy/Free trade because they may have been pkers. But then again, you liked having it gone because you probably didn't mind it.

 

Same with the NIS. There are some people who it affects more than others (you for instance) while most people will continue playing. It will eventually become second nature just like the last interface.

 

Jagex has no reason to go use old interface. It's as simple as that. If you're going to make your primary update about the NIS, you're only going backwards by keeping the old one present.

 

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My comment about the previous version of the game is about the fact the game gets updated and you have to deal with it. If you don't want to adjust to it, then quit. I'm not saying you're not allowed to.

 

I'm simply saying quitting over something like the interface is very pretty silly. I don't think this system is frustrating enough to quit over.

 

You asked for my opinion and I'm providing it. I'm not overreacting in my opinion. I do think you are though if you want to quit over the NIS. Then again, updates affect people differently. People quit over the Wildy/Free trade because they may have been pkers. But then again, you liked having it gone because you probably didn't mind it.

 

Same with the NIS. There are some people who it affects more than others (you for instance) while most people will continue playing. It will eventually become second nature just like the last interface.

 

Jagex has no reason to go use old interface. It's as simple as that. If you're going to make your primary update about the NIS, you're only going backwards by keeping the old one present.

 

The update itself, is just that, an update. For what it's worth, at the moment, RS3 really isn't a new game. There was an update to a hardly-used city in Runescape, making an area that nobody used a new attraction, which doesn't effect the rest of Runescape, and there is the interface, which effects the whole game.

 

I thought I should point out, there is a different to becoming accustomed too, and liking/feeling comfortable with something. In this case, I am perfectly used to the system, but to me, the old one is easier to use, and I know one of my friends agreed with me (I have talked to 2/5 friends that quit, one was gonna quit anyways because of irl issues, but he found this update to be his last straw, and the other quit because they, like me, hate the interface, and find it more of an inconvenience.

 

I asked for your opinion about the update, and you responded in a way that to me, looks like you were insinuating that I don't know what I'm doing, or haven't played RS very long.

 

To me, the new interface is harder to use. I actually do like some of the features of the new interface, like all the new chat options. I don't have any issues with the new chat really. It's practically everything except for the chat, and larger minimap.

 

And really, it's not as simple as you think. They can still keep the color schemes, and use the layout of the old interface, to go with their new interface. And I don't see how its a step backwards, as they have done similar things before (bring back wildy, moving revs to a cave, updating RuneScape, giving HD graphics while keeping LD graphics, etc). I'll agree it would be hard for Jagex to have implemented the old systems, but this could easily have been done. And giving your paying customers a choice for a major update that effects the whole game, when possible, I really don't see how that's a step back for the company. Quite contrary, its a great business move, making more customers happy, regardless.

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Feeling comfortable with something is practically the same thing as being accustomed to it. If you become habituated to something, then you eventually find it easy to use, even if you did prefer the old method.

 

If you're a kid and you're learning to ride a bike, no shizzle it's going to be easier to ride with training wheels. Would some kids prefer training wheels to riding a bike without training wheels? Probably. Is there really a point in doing so once you're accustomed to riding without them? No.

 

Same with this game. The old interface may have been easier to use than this one at first. But after an adjustment period, this interface will become second nature and you will become so adjusted to it that it won't really matter that it's slightly more difficult to use than the old system. Just grow with the game.

 

Jagex does NOT have to bring back the old interface. It is simple as that. RS3 was not meant to be a groundbreaking change from RS2. It was meant to bring in new lore, and introduce HTML5/NIS. Right now we are simply debating the NIS, not the BOL or HTML5 because that is irrelevant to this argument.

 

When you make an update and call it something as big as RS3, then that's essentially a new beginning. RS2 was a new beginning from classic and everybody who played it played the same game. You could not play classic in RS2 because that was the point of RS2; it was a new beginning. RS3 is the same thing. Everybody starts from this point again. It's a new beginning (again) in Runescape and you can't go back.

 

HD/LD graphics exist because not everybody's computer has the specs to play on HD graphics. That's something you have to keep just to ensure that people can actually play the game. It is not a matter of visual appeal. It's to ensure everybody who has even a basic computer can play this game. That's why HTML5/Java will be a choice in the future.

 

When it comes to the interface, you can play the game no matter what computer you use. It's not going to be affected by your specs that much. Keeping LD is a necessity. Old interfaces are not.

 

I also do not care how long you have played and never argued that. I also did not debate your intelligence, because that is irrelevant. What I questioned is your willingness to give this interface a try for an extended period of time before complaining about it so much. Maybe a month down the line if you still have a problem with it, then go ahead and quit if it really affects your gameplay that much. But 2 days after this game has been released, you can't say you know everything about it and there's no saving it.

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What I was trying to say, is that you are trying to compare getting used to an update, the same as liking it, and being ok with it.

 

The difference between your analogies, is that while a kids adaptation to the lacking of training wheels makes it just as easy, or easier to ride a bike over time, the same logic can't necessarily be said with this new system. Contrary to what you guys might believe, I am fairly good at adapting, having to have done so often in my life. The new interface is no different. Within 2-3 hours, I had adapted to it, hell, in the first 20 minutes, I had 2 layouts best suiting my needs, which I saved to my custom 1 and 2 slots. Despite me knowing where everything is, it is still an annoyance to me, and I know for a fact that I will feel the same way in a couple weeks.

 

I know that RS3 isn't groundbreaking. I was only stating that because you were talking about how every old version of the game isn't going to be saved.

 

As far as I know, RS classic and RS2 had the same interface. Though, I never played Classic, except to log in to get the Cape when it first came out.

 

And that was one of my points was that Jagex kept the SD to ensure people could play/had an easier time playing (less lag on SD/HD). Its the same thing in this case. In terms of graphics, some people wouldn't be able to play because of their computer, or would have a harder time playing. In terms of interface, some people wouldn't be able to play due not understanding this new interface, or as you say, not willing to learn it. Others might have a harder time playing, due to the different interface. And while Graphics only effects the looks of the game, and in some cases the speed, the interface effects the game, through the player's ability to use the interface.

 

I'm not saying Jagex HAS to change it. It's their game. I'm just merely pitching a suggestion, which makes logical sense, in the fact that it would be a good business move, and only effects the individual players, and not all the players as a whole. Those who like the new interface, which I am sure, contrary to what I have seen, would be most of Runescape, can use the new interface...the players who are either to used to the old interface could use the old interface.

 

I never said "there is no saving it". The interface is great to those who like it, and enjoy using it. I actually like the concept behind the new interface, and enjoy using the social interface. I'm just saying I think they could have left the old interface as an option.

 

My main problem with the new interface is actually the parts involving the actual game play; I like the new chat boxes and minimap. What I am talking about, if you played the fixed version of RS2 you'll know what I mean, is "game control square", or what ever you want to call it. The square that had the combat style, skills, inv, equipment, prayer, magic, and at the bottom, friends/ignore, friend chat, clan chat, options, emotes, and music. If there was a way to make it exactly like that layout, and I mean exactly to the t, I don't like the square that is in the current "oldschool interface", then I myself would be happy. But I made the suggestion for a real oldschool interface, not just for me, but for everybody who doesn't like the new interface. So even, if what I want is possible in the new interface, I would still suggest the old interface.

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