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    Picalily
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    Zaros
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  1. Loverly

    Bonus XP weekend skill competition

    Guys we need to pick up the pace... Dei is embarrassing us
  2. Loverly

    Kam's grind to glory - Maxed Skilling

    This log is pretty hot tbh, keep going :) And yes I'm jelly, though savour it while you can: it'll be the only time you can out deeps me :P
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    Kam's grind to glory - Maxed Skilling

    Keep going Kam! Thought you might like the pic...
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    Kam's grind to glory - Maxed Skilling

    You are the greatest Kam <33333 xdddddddd (Posted on request, pls no bannerino)
  5. Loverly

    Gun Pulled In RS Gold Transaction

    Threatening to kill someone over RS? That's just a tad extreme. I'm more of a maiming person myself. >.<
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    Sal's Highscores

    RSN: Loverl y
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    Petition to unban Benn0 from sals fc

    Supported, he never did anything to me! And at least he talks...
  8. Loverly

    What Is Your View On Death?

    But then, why's it in the bible? All we have to base the christian god upon is the bible. What I was saying is that the way in which he died is irrelevant. I'm not sure what your question is. Why is what in the bible? The only things we have to base the whole of christian religion on is what is in the bible. If there are discrepancies of any sort, conflicting messages or paradoxical forms of god, whatever is said in the bible is inherently WRONG and thus a christian god cannot exist withion the realms of its own creation Everything else said about the bible or around it about the nature of god is incorrect, the bible is the definitive truth of god or of jesus and the events around his life. We have nothing else to model the christian religion around and that is the point of what he was saying. Some Christians say the bible is inerrant, without any mistake. Those are mostly the fundamentalists. Then you have the people, me included, who believe the bible is infallible in matters concerning our faith and God. We do not deny that there may be historical errors and such, because it has been rewritten over and over and over by people over the last few thousand years. A historical error does not make the bible completely wrong. If a history book contains an error, people don't look at the book and think that it is now completely wrong. Note that I am not trying to suggest the bible is a history book, that's just the first example I thought of. The problem is not with factual accuracy, it is with the discrepancies of what it teaches. Ideologically, morally and otherwise. The bible contradicts itself on murder, rape, torture, slavery, homosexualism etc etc. As well as being somewhat paradoxical in its definitions of Yahweh himself. I do not dispute that any historical inaccuracy means God doesn't exist, that would be silly. But I am saying that because the bible contains so many conflicting points of view or moral codes, it can't be considered accurate, even as the only source of Christian morals. Old Testament vs New Testament. 'nuff said. Matthew 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets (OT); I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. We never 'bashed your religion' we simply asked you, quite reasonably in fact, to show us empirical evidence of your claims. If it is true as you believe, is that so hard to ask? No, I'm sorry you grew angry at your own inability to defend unsubstantiated theories and ideas you heard from someone else. I'm not sorry for asking for you to show me some evidence. and thats what made me mad, do you really think a 14 year old like myself is going to have all the answers for your questions?? do you really want to see if those things i spoke of are really true?? then you get off your arse and actually try and find out for yourself. if you have, and didnt find anything, try a little bit harder. It's alright, my boy. Everything that pops up in your mind is true. and just what does that mean? This isn't the "state your opinion a few times and never go into further discussion"-room. We're here to debate and if your opinions and beliefs are challenged then don't run off crying. If you have so much faith then you should be able to convince anyone with ease anyway. thats not how it works. it has to be a two-way thing. i cant just tell you what i think, and know, is true and you automatically believe it also. you have to be willing to learn and accept it. LOLOLOLOL I am 16 myself and yet I know that I need to show evidence to be reasonable and rationable... No matter how hard I try, no matter how hard I look, I will never find ANYTHING to support your point of view to the extent that someone can KNOW it. To completely disregard another point of view without any evidence to show it's invalidity, then declaring evidence is there to see and yet nobody does is STUPID. Faith =/= proof. Please remember that when being so disrespectful of other's opinions, you are being hypocritical. Not sure if actually offended or just trolling. Hopefully the latter. :( I am taking offense at the wild assertion that his religion is something you can "know". I am also taking offense at your consistent attempts to show my beliefs in a negative manner, don't be hypocritical, please. I am DEBATING his arguments, trying to counter his reasoning with my own. if that isn't good enough for you then please, simply ignore me for I am now doing the same to you. Whether faith = knowing (define 'know'!)is an entirely different argument. Also, I'm pretty sure redmonke was commenting on your apparent lack of respect for Ansak. Your last comment said that Ansak was being disrespectful while you were being somewhat disrespectful as well. @redmonke But saying that you no longer follow everything said in the old testament doesn't mean you abolish it. What I was saying to Ansak was in fact that although I cannot and should not disrespect or admonish his 'belief' in his religion (which everyone is entitled to) I can have a reasonable debate over his justification. I have never outright claimed that a god or gods don't exist. What i have said is 'you can't claim or justify it through that because...'. My rudeness in declaring people stupid is my exasperation at people misunderstanding my arguments/intentions or at people arguing in circles. And faith =/= knowing otherwise every religion would be true irrespective of how much they may contradict each other... which is relevant as he is declaring that as a justification. Ps. Knowledge is commonly accepted as 'justified true belief'. 'justified true belief', while a very good way to describe knowledge, adds three more questions. How does one justify, what is truth (is there such a thing as absolute truth?), and what exactly is the difference between faith and belief (there is a difference, I know!). As for the rudeness, we're better off not continuing the flame war or the discussion of said war, I think. I agree as to the flame war. Justification is the presentation of logical/physical/empirical evidence that can be seen by all and shown to be clearly supporting your argument. Of course evidence which comes 2/3/4/5th... hand should be viewed with more criticism than 1st hand but it should be assumed to be reasonable evidence, otherwise you wouldn't believe anything anyone told you. When defining knowledge we take truth to be the 'correct' and 'perfect' solution which is impossible to disprove correctly. It can be argued that it is impossibel to have anything bar 1 truth, that we, ourselves exist, because we don't know if our senses replicate reality. As descartes said, cogito ergo sum: I think therefore I am (I doubt my own existance therefore I must exist). other than this we cannot know anything to be true and so we go on the assumption that our own perceptions and others perceptions are correct and to this extent, that is the truth. Faith is defined by the OED as 'strong belief based on spiritual conviction, rather than proof'. Belief is defined as 'an acceptance that something exists or is true, especially one without proof', or 'a firmly held opinion'. Both are similar, but not the same and neither require proof or even knowledge that something is true, only conviction!. Therefore i must maintain that knowledge =/= faith =/= belief! :D
  9. Loverly

    God Without A Face

    The idea of a place of eternal punishment creates a paradox with the 'biblical' god of omnibeneolvence and omniscience, so unless god is in fact a complete sadist, it can't exist as described. Besides, just because there may be no heaven/hell doesn't mean you still can't be nice to people? Life is to experience change, to see new things done and to experience them. To help others and to better ourselves so other people may live better now or in the future. Death simply allows new people/animals/life to have a chance of existance! If above anything else, life is not meant to be spent in terror of being eternally punished or in the greed of permanent reward, but simply to have fun while you are alive! :(
  10. More times than I can count! I can't remember half of them and all the good ones are taken. :(
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    God Without A Face

    Ours is filled with cruely and hatred... I don't see the justification of your views. It's because not everyone understands that eventually they are all going to have to meet God face to face and answer for their sins. They just don't think they are going to be held accountable for all their wrongs. We wouldn't have the economic crisis if the bankers and politicians truly believed in His word. That's why it's important to spread the word of God and convert everyone to Christianity. http://www.youtube.com/user/QualiaSoup#p/u/14/5wV_REEdvxo I would like to see evidence of your claims please. Unfortunately it has been shown time and time and again that you cannot. Please don't assume you are right because you believe in it. That is irrational. Just... wow. :( Cynicism woo. What you guys are arguing right now is based on the assumption that this world is filled with cruelty and hatred. Not only is this nearly impossible, if not completely impossible, to decide objectively, it is also very depressing :D. Also, I think that guilt trip thing is a bad reason for being good. Doing something good because otherwise bad things happen isn't necessarily bad, but I would say that the whole point is to do something good without a reason like fear for hell. I am by no means saying that I, or anybody for that matter, ever does a good thing out of fear for consequences in the future, but it's not the point of having such a thing as a hell. False optimism wooo. :D There IS cruelty and suffering and if you believe otherwise you are ignorant -snip- The world is filled with hostility, it is not a defeatist/fatalist idea, it is fact. Do I get depressed over it? No. There is nothing I can do. Does it concern me even so? Yes. How is the world being filled with cruelty impossible to determine objectively? I don't understand anything to do with that statement as it makes logical fallacies to do with the subjective nature of morality. Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/user/QualiaSoup#p/a/u/0/sN-yLH4bXAI Although it is in relation to religion, the concept of morality is the same. I never suggested that there is no cruelty or suffering. That would be naive. (Although it may seem like I did suggest that. Hmmm.) I based my argument on what I felt was an overstatement of how much suffering there is. You're right, my argument didn't make too much sense. But what I was getting at was the fact that there is often too much of a focus on heaven and hell and that that should not be your only reason to do good. exactly, I agree! :P
  12. Loverly

    What Is Your View On Death?

    But then, why's it in the bible? All we have to base the christian god upon is the bible. What I was saying is that the way in which he died is irrelevant. I'm not sure what your question is. Why is what in the bible? The only things we have to base the whole of christian religion on is what is in the bible. If there are discrepancies of any sort, conflicting messages or paradoxical forms of god, whatever is said in the bible is inherently WRONG and thus a christian god cannot exist withion the realms of its own creation Everything else said about the bible or around it about the nature of god is incorrect, the bible is the definitive truth of god or of jesus and the events around his life. We have nothing else to model the christian religion around and that is the point of what he was saying. Some Christians say the bible is inerrant, without any mistake. Those are mostly the fundamentalists. Then you have the people, me included, who believe the bible is infallible in matters concerning our faith and God. We do not deny that there may be historical errors and such, because it has been rewritten over and over and over by people over the last few thousand years. A historical error does not make the bible completely wrong. If a history book contains an error, people don't look at the book and think that it is now completely wrong. Note that I am not trying to suggest the bible is a history book, that's just the first example I thought of. The problem is not with factual accuracy, it is with the discrepancies of what it teaches. Ideologically, morally and otherwise. The bible contradicts itself on murder, rape, torture, slavery, homosexualism etc etc. As well as being somewhat paradoxical in its definitions of Yahweh himself. I do not dispute that any historical inaccuracy means God doesn't exist, that would be silly. But I am saying that because the bible contains so many conflicting points of view or moral codes, it can't be considered accurate, even as the only source of Christian morals. Old Testament vs New Testament. 'nuff said. Matthew 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets (OT); I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. We never 'bashed your religion' we simply asked you, quite reasonably in fact, to show us empirical evidence of your claims. If it is true as you believe, is that so hard to ask? No, I'm sorry you grew angry at your own inability to defend unsubstantiated theories and ideas you heard from someone else. I'm not sorry for asking for you to show me some evidence. and thats what made me mad, do you really think a 14 year old like myself is going to have all the answers for your questions?? do you really want to see if those things i spoke of are really true?? then you get off your arse and actually try and find out for yourself. if you have, and didnt find anything, try a little bit harder. It's alright, my boy. Everything that pops up in your mind is true. and just what does that mean? This isn't the "state your opinion a few times and never go into further discussion"-room. We're here to debate and if your opinions and beliefs are challenged then don't run off crying. If you have so much faith then you should be able to convince anyone with ease anyway. thats not how it works. it has to be a two-way thing. i cant just tell you what i think, and know, is true and you automatically believe it also. you have to be willing to learn and accept it. LOLOLOLOL I am 16 myself and yet I know that I need to show evidence to be reasonable and rationable... No matter how hard I try, no matter how hard I look, I will never find ANYTHING to support your point of view to the extent that someone can KNOW it. To completely disregard another point of view without any evidence to show it's invalidity, then declaring evidence is there to see and yet nobody does is STUPID. Faith =/= proof. Please remember that when being so disrespectful of other's opinions, you are being hypocritical. Not sure if actually offended or just trolling. Hopefully the latter. :( I am taking offense at the wild assertion that his religion is something you can "know". I am also taking offense at your consistent attempts to show my beliefs in a negative manner, don't be hypocritical, please. I am DEBATING his arguments, trying to counter his reasoning with my own. if that isn't good enough for you then please, simply ignore me for I am now doing the same to you. Whether faith = knowing (define 'know'!)is an entirely different argument. Also, I'm pretty sure redmonke was commenting on your apparent lack of respect for Ansak. Your last comment said that Ansak was being disrespectful while you were being somewhat disrespectful as well. @redmonke But saying that you no longer follow everything said in the old testament doesn't mean you abolish it. What I was saying to Ansak was in fact that although I cannot and should not disrespect or admonish his 'belief' in his religion (which everyone is entitled to) I can have a reasonable debate over his justification. I have never outright claimed that a god or gods don't exist. What i have said is 'you can't claim or justify it through that because...'. My rudeness in declaring people stupid is my exasperation at people misunderstanding my arguments/intentions or at people arguing in circles. And faith =/= knowing otherwise every religion would be true irrespective of how much they may contradict each other... which is relevant as he is declaring that as a justification. Ps. Knowledge is commonly accepted as 'justified true belief'.
  13. Loverly

    What Is Your View On Death?

    But then, why's it in the bible? All we have to base the christian god upon is the bible. What I was saying is that the way in which he died is irrelevant. I'm not sure what your question is. Why is what in the bible? The only things we have to base the whole of christian religion on is what is in the bible. If there are discrepancies of any sort, conflicting messages or paradoxical forms of god, whatever is said in the bible is inherently WRONG and thus a christian god cannot exist withion the realms of its own creation Everything else said about the bible or around it about the nature of god is incorrect, the bible is the definitive truth of god or of jesus and the events around his life. We have nothing else to model the christian religion around and that is the point of what he was saying. Some Christians say the bible is inerrant, without any mistake. Those are mostly the fundamentalists. Then you have the people, me included, who believe the bible is infallible in matters concerning our faith and God. We do not deny that there may be historical errors and such, because it has been rewritten over and over and over by people over the last few thousand years. A historical error does not make the bible completely wrong. If a history book contains an error, people don't look at the book and think that it is now completely wrong. Note that I am not trying to suggest the bible is a history book, that's just the first example I thought of. The problem is not with factual accuracy, it is with the discrepancies of what it teaches. Ideologically, morally and otherwise. The bible contradicts itself on murder, rape, torture, slavery, homosexualism etc etc. As well as being somewhat paradoxical in its definitions of Yahweh himself. I do not dispute that any historical inaccuracy means God doesn't exist, that would be silly. But I am saying that because the bible contains so many conflicting points of view or moral codes, it can't be considered accurate, even as the only source of Christian morals. Old Testament vs New Testament. 'nuff said. Matthew 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets (OT); I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. We never 'bashed your religion' we simply asked you, quite reasonably in fact, to show us empirical evidence of your claims. If it is true as you believe, is that so hard to ask? No, I'm sorry you grew angry at your own inability to defend unsubstantiated theories and ideas you heard from someone else. I'm not sorry for asking for you to show me some evidence. and thats what made me mad, do you really think a 14 year old like myself is going to have all the answers for your questions?? do you really want to see if those things i spoke of are really true?? then you get off your arse and actually try and find out for yourself. if you have, and didnt find anything, try a little bit harder. It's alright, my boy. Everything that pops up in your mind is true. and just what does that mean? This isn't the "state your opinion a few times and never go into further discussion"-room. We're here to debate and if your opinions and beliefs are challenged then don't run off crying. If you have so much faith then you should be able to convince anyone with ease anyway. thats not how it works. it has to be a two-way thing. i cant just tell you what i think, and know, is true and you automatically believe it also. you have to be willing to learn and accept it. LOLOLOLOL I am 16 myself and yet I know that I need to show evidence to be reasonable and rationable... No matter how hard I try, no matter how hard I look, I will never find ANYTHING to support your point of view to the extent that someone can KNOW it. To completely disregard another point of view without any evidence to show it's invalidity, then declaring evidence is there to see and yet nobody does is STUPID. Faith =/= proof. Please remember that when being so disrespectful of other's opinions, you are being hypocritical. Not sure if actually offended or just trolling. Hopefully the latter. :( I am taking offense at the wild assertion that his religion is something you can "know". I am also taking offense at your consistent attempts to show my beliefs in a negative manner, don't be hypocritical, please. I am DEBATING his arguments, trying to counter his reasoning with my own. if that isn't good enough for you then please, simply ignore me for I am now doing the same to you.
  14. Loverly

    What Is Your View On Death?

    We never 'bashed your religion' we simply asked you, quite reasonably in fact, to show us empirical evidence of your claims. If it is true as you believe, is that so hard to ask? No, I'm sorry you grew angry at your own inability to defend unsubstantiated theories and ideas you heard from someone else. I'm not sorry for asking for you to show me some evidence. and thats what made me mad, do you really think a 14 year old like myself is going to have all the answers for your questions?? do you really want to see if those things i spoke of are really true?? then you get off your arse and actually try and find out for yourself. if you have, and didnt find anything, try a little bit harder. It's alright, my boy. Everything that pops up in your mind is true. and just what does that mean? This isn't the "state your opinion a few times and never go into further discussion"-room. We're here to debate and if your opinions and beliefs are challenged then don't run off crying. If you have so much faith then you should be able to convince anyone with ease anyway. thats not how it works. it has to be a two-way thing. i cant just tell you what i think, and know, is true and you automatically believe it also. you have to be willing to learn and accept it. LOLOLOLOL I am 16 myself and yet I know that I need to show evidence to be reasonable and rationable... No matter how hard I try, no matter how hard I look, I will never find ANYTHING to support your point of view to the extent that someone can KNOW it. To completely disregard another point of view without any evidence to show it's invalidity, then declaring evidence is there to see and yet nobody does is STUPID. Faith =/= proof. Please remember that when being so disrespectful of other's opinions, you are being hypocritical.
  15. Loverly

    God Without A Face

    Ours is filled with cruely and hatred... I don't see the justification of your views. It's because not everyone understands that eventually they are all going to have to meet God face to face and answer for their sins. They just don't think they are going to be held accountable for all their wrongs. We wouldn't have the economic crisis if the bankers and politicians truly believed in His word. That's why it's important to spread the word of God and convert everyone to Christianity. http://www.youtube.com/user/QualiaSoup#p/u/14/5wV_REEdvxo I would like to see evidence of your claims please. Unfortunately it has been shown time and time and again that you cannot. Please don't assume you are right because you believe in it. That is irrational. Just... wow. :( Cynicism woo. What you guys are arguing right now is based on the assumption that this world is filled with cruelty and hatred. Not only is this nearly impossible, if not completely impossible, to decide objectively, it is also very depressing :P. Also, I think that guilt trip thing is a bad reason for being good. Doing something good because otherwise bad things happen isn't necessarily bad, but I would say that the whole point is to do something good without a reason like fear for hell. I am by no means saying that I, or anybody for that matter, ever does a good thing out of fear for consequences in the future, but it's not the point of having such a thing as a hell. False optimism wooo. :D There IS cruelty and suffering and if you believe otherwise you are ignorant -snip- The world is filled with hostility, it is not a defeatist/fatalist idea, it is fact. Do I get depressed over it? No. There is nothing I can do. Does it concern me even so? Yes. How is the world being filled with cruelty impossible to determine objectively? I don't understand anything to do with that statement as it makes logical fallacies to do with the subjective nature of morality. Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/user/QualiaSoup#p/a/u/0/sN-yLH4bXAI Although it is in relation to religion, the concept of morality is the same.
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