Jethraw
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His play style to me suggested that he was trying to play low ki, not really forming much of an opinion on anything and not putting to much pressure or receiving to much pressure. IMO if he was scum he would've tried harder, at least this day, to try to form a more aggressive opinion to help scum win the day, albeit the same thing can be said about town this is just my gut feeling.
Of all the remaining players, I think it's a fair thing to state I'm the only person who hasn't been pretty damn low key throughout the entire game. Not having an opinion on anyone, not providing anything productive to the town and keeping an exceptionally low profile are not qualities I would attribute to town play, by the way.
So tell me, what's made my play style so erratic?I'm not even sure why I'm humouring this question, given that we both know what I mean, as do the other three players in the game.
The fact you categorically stated myself and Goggie were town, followed up by some shodding reasoning justifying the hammer on Adam?, claiming allowing him to post would have set up a scum win (which you immediately back pedalled on by saying Adam? wouldn't have left a trail). Some to-and-fro between you and Gonzyy which somehow led you to conclude that I was now definite scum. The way this came off as looking was that you'd tried getting me to vote for Gonzyy, but I wasn't biting that easily, so you immediately decided it would make more sense to try and get Lonely to vote for Gonzyy, and throwing out totally loaded questions designed to get a rise out of anyone who'd bite. After that there was a lot of to-and-fro between you and Gonzyy which, like I said, was handled in a far better manner than yourself. Your posts have been riddled with logic holes which have continued to this very post.
EBWOP: Last line should read 'by Gonzyy than yourself.'
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My original, collected role claim accused Gonzyy of being scum. There was nothing more said about you or Lonely, except that I found him scum.
I'm struggling with how to respond to this one. Your original post categorically said Gonzyy was scum, Goggie was town and I was town, and therefore Lonely had to be scum. No, you're absolutely right in saying there's nothing wrong with changing your opinion on who is scum, but to say you did it "in a bad way, I guess" is the whole reason that your argument just hasn't been one I can get behind. The fact that you spoke so definitively in your opening post like you've got the game saved for us only to then do a complete shift is the reason that you've skyrocketed in terms of suspicion.
Then, I realized that his play style wasn't him being scum, it was just the way he plays.I don't even understand this - how does it "just being the way he plays" make him town? Are any of us playing in a way other than the way we play? What?
Except Lonely, which would've ended the game for town.My vote for Lonely was on the premise that it didn't leave him L-1 (and no matter how you spin it, either you are Gonzyy ((or both)) are scum, and both had your votes locked on eachother) and was retracted shortly later without either you or Gonzyy making a post. Moreover, Lonely stated himself that there was no sense in voting for me today when we know that either you or Gonzyy are guaranteed scum. So this is a complete falsehood.
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yet despite my claim, which I do believe you said you would act on, you vote for me.
I'm sorry, but on what rational planet is this any form of logical? Sure I said I'd vote for Gonzyy if he proved to be the best choice for scum, but you made sure that wasn't the case by the erratic and unfathomable posts you've made over the past few days.
my case on Gonzyy has always been the same but somehow you're using that to sanction a vote on me?No, I'm sanctioning my vote for you based off the complete turn around in attitude you adopted towards the day which, at the risk of repeating myself, screamed desperation. The point I was trying to make was that had you left it before the 180 turn I don't think I could have logically justified a vote for anyone other than Gonzyy.
Look at my post #902, where I address him.I'm not sure exactly what that proves. I've said in my own words that your posts came off as nothing more than trying to goad either me or Gonzyy into voting one another, so your response to Gonzyy doesn't change how you came off in your posting.
Also, Lonely is the scummiest player in your eyes but Gonzyy and me are a possible scum player.No, between you and Gonzyy there are definite scum, possibly two, which is why I'm advocating going for the less risky option so that we have the chance to decide who the partner is tomorrow.
If I was scum, along with Gonzyy, we could've easily waited for Lonely, for example, to try to vote for Jethraw.Maybe, but Lonely hasn't advocated voting for me once so far today, didn't vote on the previous day, and didn't contribute to the active lynch the day before. There's nothing to suggest that this was ever a feasible plan from the get-go.
I also like that throughout the whole day you've believed my claim but when it comes time to vote I suddenly come out on top as more scummy.I've never outright said I believed it, I said I'm inclined to based off the grounds that Gonzyy can't disprove it, n'or can anyone else. But the fact that you couldn't prove it yourself meant that your actions and words (both yours and Gonzyy's) played a massive role in deciding how effective your claim would be.
Especially since your reason for voting me has been my play style throughout the day, despite the fact I've played the same throughout the day and you believed me before.There are absolutely zero similarities between your original, collected roleclaim and your erratic turn around that's accused everyone but Goggie of being scum and everyone but Gonzyy of being town at some point or other.
Given that Goggie won't be voting last (a measure both yourself and Gonzyy have approved of) and the fact that Lonely hasn't voted since Day -4 I don't really see as I had much option other than to set the ball rolling here.
EBWOP: Goggie won't be voting until last
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Discussion seems to have ground to a halt, which isn't entirely surprising.
Like I said - there's no chance of decisively deciding on a pair, and obviously there's no second chances.
Whilst I maintain that Lonely has been the scummiest of the remaining players, there's no getting away from the fact that we have to get a scumlynch, and either Gonzyy or Fake are definitely scum.
I think it's time to start winding down the day and gettings the votes in now that there's about 48 hours left.
Currently both Gonzyy and Fake are both on L-2, having one vote each.
There's also no time that I'm going to be able to cast my vote without Fake dragging up his arguments on the previous few pages which were the kind of arguments that suggest "I can say what I want to you here and there's no way you can turn on me without that making you scum" - see his post which asks did 'I believe his claim any less now that he's accusing me of being scum' for what I mean by that.
The thing is, Fake had a pretty credible claim, albeit one with no real evidence, and it was one that Gonzyy had no proof to refute it with. Fakes then total turn around and Gonzyy's subsequent handling of himself are the only things that convince me that Gonzyy is not the person we should be going after today, but should be kept a very close eye on during Day -6 as him and Fake seem to be the most logical scum pair, albeit that's still more of a gut feeling at this stage.
vote Fake
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Fake + Lonely
Fake + Gonzyy, very unlikely, and if they were to be it would be a risky tactic as many have stated
Fake + Jethraw, sure they could be, just don't see it. Especially with his change of heart on him. Does anyone else think that Fake's change of heart on Jethraw could possibly be a tactic to distance themselves from eachother?
Lonely + Gonzyy
Lonely + Jethraw
Jethraw + Gonzyy, probably the most likely pair for me at the moment, but that being said it's not a 100% definite belief.
Any reasoning to go with this?
Considering there's been one death per night every night except where there've been modkills I'd call it more than unlikely.I'm still very uncertain of a Jethraw and Gonzyy pair, or any other pair. Is there a possibility that there is only 1 mafia left and maybe, just say, a Vigilante? -
The thing for me is I'd struggle to place any scum pair above the other at this point, and the longer the days wears on the more it would make more sense for Fake and Gonzyy to be a scumpair, but individually they just don't seem to be the two most likely candidates.
Fake comes out with a strong claim in the start of the day implicating Gonzyy. The two have back and forth throughout the day. Let's say we lynch Gonzyy and he flips scum - would we be likely to lynch Fake tomorrow? Highly doubtful. Let's say Fake get's lynched today - would we be likely to lynch Gonzyy tomorrow? Highly doubtful.
That being said on an individual level I can't make any of it add up.
For me: Lonely stands head and shoulders above everyone else in terms of who is playing a scumgame for reasons I've explained throughout the day.
Fake's total flip flop throughout this day, using such strong terms "you know you are town" only to do a complete 180 just isn't fathomable or rational, and like I've said, just screams desperation.
Gonzyy : Has been implicated by Fake and I really can't come up with an argument that would prove his claim false - but watching the to and fro between them I can't help but feel Fake's argument has gaping flaws and Gonzyy's handling of himself has been a pretty damn impressive town outing by anyone's standards with regards to his response too Fake.
I honestly don't think there's any chance we're going to come up with a definite scumpair or decide who we should be applying pressure on for Day -6. I think the only way we can really approach this is by keeping everyone in mind on an individual level, rather than looking for the complete pairing. Unless someone else can think of something I've missed with regards to pairing, because I can't make any of them make perfect sense.
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I'm struggling to find the page but wasn't Gonzyy one of the people that didnt vote to lynch Jethraw? Now Jethraw seems to be avoiding voting for Gonzyy?
just a thought
Where have I avoided voting Gonzyy? I've avoided putting anyone on L-1, which a vote for Gonzyy would put him on. I've also explained this half a dozen times now.
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Can we get a votecount and time left check please Reep?
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EBWOP: by the way, when it gets to the end of the day, do NOT expect me to vote first. It's got to be one of you 4, because I am confirmed town by everyone. If I vote first then there is a greater probability of scum being able to hammer, rather than 1/4 of the non-conf townies voting.
With that being said - can you give your opinions on the day at hand? If you had to vote who would you? Who would you pick as a scumpair?
It's all well and good that you're confirmed town, but we still need your opinions :P
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I'm still not 100% sure on that one, them bussing each other still gives them an easy win.
Do you mean that there's a chance neither of them are or that there's a chance they both are?
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Because there's a higher chance that we'll get it wrong and mafia will win. The safest option is to go for one of the two that are definite town and then go for the scum partner
Yes, there is a higher chance of hitting town, but that's no excuse not to consider the alternative when we already know that either Gonzyy or Fake are one of the scum pair, and I'm not going to keep repeating that because its totally detracting from anything useful.
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You talk about my posts not being "make sure we don't lynch a townie" yet you pursue me even though FAKE OR GONZYY ARE DEFINITELY SCUM.
They are the only two claims that coincide with each other WHY ARE YOU GOING FOR OTHER PEOPLE
It just makes you look like your avoiding voting your Scumpartner
Because I'm exploring the obvious (having discussed both Fake and Gonzyy extensively) and looking for the scumpartner? It's been taken as a given that there's a scum partner to either Fake or Gonzyy, so why exactly are you so against exploring who that person is too? Like I've said - even if we do lynch correctly today, we're still faced with finding the scumpartner on Day -6, why exactly wouldn't we give ourselves the fullest headstart on that we can? Or is the problem just because it's you that I've been speculating as the partner?
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What about Lonely makes him more scummy than Gonzyy?
That and that main evidence against Gonzyy is his substantial and uncharacteristic inactivity (something I've been gunned down numerous times) for attempting to bring to the fore and that coming right out of the gates with such a strong roleclaim is not an uncommon tactic towards the end of the day from a scum standpoint. Whilst still leaning towards believing your claim, the only thing that really doesn't swing things in Gonzyy's favour are that he didn't claim back with a power role, (not getting into the why, just that he didn't, regardless of the reason).
Furthermore there's nothing in your posts other than a wild attempt to get a rise out of one of us to vote the other, an unnecessary tactic given that the tide was almost irreparably going in the direction of a Gonzyy lynch eventually. However, these posts, as far as I'm concerned are doing nothing for your credibility, something which you made a point of ensuring against by aiming the loaded question at the end of this post.
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EBWOPOPOP: Beaten by Fake now. Again, you're just baiting either me to vote for Gonzyy or Gonzyy to vote for me here, trying to grind home the hammer with extra desperation for any particular reason?
EBWOP: Given up EBWOPING because I just keep getting inb4'd now.
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EBWOP: Beaten by Lonely. I've re-read it and I think my above paragraph applies nicely to your post too.
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Moreover given that I've explained that I personally, setting aside your claim (which we still have no way of proving, given that there's nobody to back any of your claim up, irrespective of the fact I'm inclined to believe it) have found Lonely to be more scummy. There's no avoiding the fact that the game will grind to a vote outside of what we think we know, whether it comes today or tomorrow, and keeping the game alive for another day for the sake of it won't make a shred of difference to that process if we don't make full use of the time given to us on other days.
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Right, cause saying "Go after Fake or Gonzyy and not Jethraw because he has a higher chance of being town" screams "don't lynch me"
Unless I've misread your post, because I read it as aimed at me in regards to having looked at you?
Your reasoning is flawed in the sense that you're saying that I'm scum. If Goggie was to vote either of you it would not be hammered, mainly because you two are scum. Whereas if me or Lonely get voted by him we've lost.
This is ridiculously flawed given that I've not only advocating lynching Gonzyy, but I've said I will do so, but not until we've explored everything, (a stance which made Goggie attempt to retract what he thought was his own vote) Again you're coming off desperate and these posts are screaming that there's something you're not letting slip.
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Anyways, the only thing I found weird was that Jethraw is saying he trusts Fakes claim that Gonzyy is in fact mafia but votes for me.
Reactions are everything, yours was weak and I've stated on Day -5, the same as I did in Day -4 I see no sense in rushing to lynches. It's a good way to lose and I've seen it in nearly every game I've played.
Isn't that the aim of the game? Eliminating scum? Why risk it by going for someone who could still be town? I know Fakes claim could be false but this segment of conversation seems to be a scenario if Fakes claim is true.Sooner or later that's what it's going to boil down to, as it always will do inevitably. Which is why I advocate making full use of the time we have rather than rushing into the easiest lynch, regardless of the fact it's the one supported by the most evidence. This post reads more as a "don't lynch me" rather than a "make sure we don't lynch a townie".
It's also worth mentioning one vote does not equate to a lynch, and that nobody has advocated rushing into anything. Yes, discussion has been mainly centered around Fake's claim holding true, but that's still a pretty big 'if', and one worth discussing and exploring in full.
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Safely bussing, pretty much.
How so? I don't see how I've done much more argument against Gonzyy (who you've accused me of being partnered with) than most other players, or much less for that matter.
I missed that but I think Goggie said that even if Gonzyy was lynched that if the scum player, you, would be in the clear.Huh? And where?
And of course you were content not to vote for Gonzyy. Lonely was obviously appearing scummier for you because that would give you an automatic victory.That's half the argument I presented to Goggie - I said I was content not to vote for him yet because that would leave him on L-1, which is beyond a silly move, as well you know.
Another loaded question, and a ridiculous one at that. I'm still inclined to believe you're truthful in your claim, naturally, based off the evidence you provided, something which you have none of with regards to your previous arguments against Lonely and your current ones against me. My argument against Lonely was based off Lonely's words and actions, not your gut. Again, this smacks of desperation, unnecessarily too.Does my claim of tracking Gonzyy hold up any less true because my gut feeling says it's you that's his scum partner and not Lonely?
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Okay, I'm convinced. Gonzyy's scum partner isn't Lonely, it's Jethraw. It's the reason Lilshu got Nked so early on into the game. If you look back the two people who were most targeting him and the people who he was most targeting were Jethraw and Gonzyy.
I don't see your trail of thought here. Goggie was also on the Lilshu bandwagon that day, as were numerous other players.
I don't know if anybody's noticed this but Jethraw's and Gonzyy's posts seem to come pretty soon after one another.I'm off for summer and have no job and am online all day, my replies come pretty soon after nigh on every post, this one included. I had a series of to-and-fro with Goggie earlier today all in a short space of time. That's weak.
I'm also willing to bet that Jethraw has probably cooked up a pretty decent argument against me.Like what? Like my constant mentioning of how your claim probably holds true? How I'm inclined to believe your claim over the others? Care to elaborate?
Jethraw's last argument against you was pages ago and that was quickly dropped, go figure.Was on the last page where I said I'd be confident in hitting scum if we were to lynch Gonzyy, care to reevaluate that one?
I feel like Gonzyy and Jethraw's playing style goes hand to hand with how two scum players would play.A completely loaded sentence - elaborate.
I'm completely thrown by this entire post. To me it seems like you've tried bargaining with me (proclaiming you and I both know I'm town) then throwing out a post designed to draw a scum argument against you, calling that there would be one preemptively. It reeks of desperation and I'm not sure why.
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Just posting my own experiences in regards to Goggie:
Last year I was told for my ICT that if I got full marks for my coursework I'd be comfortably sitting on an A. I got full marks on my coursework - woo!
Turns out the teacher got lazy marking it, messed up somehow and as a result our entire year group dropped 25/100 marks on coursework. I was 22 marks off an A after the deduction :(
For me it didn't make a difference but a number of people lost their university spots over this and dammit I was gonna have my picture with the mayor for getting 3 A grades :(
Oh, and the kicker? That teacher got promoted to head of department the next week.
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Any good mafia player who's scum, who's about to get lynched, will make their last post one to try to help out their scumbuddies.
I don't see how any post would have helped once Adam? had flipped scum.
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If I were mafia why would I want Adam? killed off before he could make his last post? He's a damn good player and, if anything, his last post would've set it up for his fellow scum.
I don't follow this, the obvious answer is by voting him you look less suspicious, but how would his last post have set it up?
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Interesting, I'd missed that since I've been posting on mobile.
A-Level results
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Same that happens if you're any age and don't know what you want to study for the rest of your life, or regret your choice. Finish what you're doing and start again or drop out and figure it out.