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The Choice Of Religion.

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Most people will tell you they learned everything about religion from their families and their family's church, also most people will say that religion is the most important choice in life. Then why have so many people let other people chose for them? :aware:
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Well, maybe they haven't neccesarily had others choose for them they've just heard about if from others and believed it.

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If you're brought up believing something, for a lot of people it's very hard to change that, and to think rationally about what you really believe and what makes sense to you.

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"I'm interested in social factors of religion.

Certain people in certain places with dogmatic beliefs bring up their children around a monopoly of religious truth and it has a big effect.

One person born into a fundamentalist Christian household in America may believe they are going to heaven and will be saved and that a Muslim fundamentalist who follows Islam will go to hell.

Another person born into a fundamentalist Muslim household in Iraq may believe they are going to heaven and will be saved and that a Christian fundamentalist who follows Christianity will go to hell.

Both of these people hold deep, dogmatic beliefs that they see as true and justified and that conflict completely with the other person's belief (they're basically direct opposites) and yet the only thing, as far as my opinion is concerned, that made this difference is the society they were born in and the people who raised them.

Of course, some people grow up and make decisions to leave their faith or evaluate what they've been taught as a child, but many do not and many carry these dogmatic views until their death.

If my mother and father were a Christian, I wouldn't see that as a better reason why I should be a Christian than why I should be a Muslim or Hindu or Satanist or any other faith. But that's what happens when people are socialised in such a way.

 

Just a little point that interests me..."

 

As seen here...

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The point is If its such a responsibility for you to chose why do some religions condemn you four questioning it?
and why in the Us you can't consent for sex till your 16 but, most people have been baptized by age three?
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The point is If its such a responsibility for you to chose why do some religions condemn you four questioning it?

Simple, they care more about power than anything else.

 

and why in the Us you can't consent for sex till your 16 but, most people have been baptized by age three?

I don't quite get what you mean, but getting baptized has nothing to do with the law.

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The point is If its such a responsibility for you to chose why do some religions condemn you four questioning it?

Simple, they care more about power than anything else.

 

and why in the Us you can't consent for sex till your 16 but, most people have been baptized by age three?

I don't quite get what you mean, but getting baptized has nothing to do with the law.

Any one have a Facepalm graphic?

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People let others choose their beliefs because quite a lot of people do not have the resolve to choose for themselves. When an idea is pushed on you from a young enough age, it takes a lot to overcome the belief.

 

 

 

and why in the Us you can't consent for sex till your 16 but, most people have been baptized by age three?

I don't quite get what you mean, but getting baptized has nothing to do with the law.

He means, why are you supposedly unable to choose who you want to sleep with before 16, yet most Christians have already "chosen" the religion they're going to follow for the rest of their life by age three. The age of consent seems a bit off.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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People let others choose their beliefs because quite a lot of people do not have the resolve to choose for themselves. When an idea is pushed on you from a young enough age, it takes a lot to overcome the belief.

 

 

 

and why in the Us you can't consent for sex till your 16 but, most people have been baptized by age three?

I don't quite get what you mean, but getting baptized has nothing to do with the law.

He means, why are you supposedly unable to choose who you want to sleep with before 16, yet most Christians have already "chosen" the religion they're going to follow for the rest of their life by age three. The age of consent seems a bit off.

Ah, I was confused a bit by that as well. Well, separation of Church and State easily explains that one, although it is odd that you are made a member before you can even say no. However, you have Confirmation when you ultimately make the decision to follow the faith or not. Well, not really. My parents are going to force me, since I don't see the point in the stupid ceremony.

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People let others choose their beliefs because quite a lot of people do not have the resolve to choose for themselves. When an idea is pushed on you from a young enough age, it takes a lot to overcome the belief.

 

 

 

and why in the Us you can't consent for sex till your 16 but, most people have been baptized by age three?

I don't quite get what you mean, but getting baptized has nothing to do with the law.

He means, why are you supposedly unable to choose who you want to sleep with before 16, yet most Christians have already "chosen" the religion they're going to follow for the rest of their life by age three. The age of consent seems a bit off.

Ah, I was confused a bit by that as well. Well, separation of Church and State easily explains that one, although it is odd that you are made a member before you can even say no. However, you have Confirmation when you ultimately make the decision to follow the faith or not. Well, not really. My parents are going to force me, since I don't see the point in the stupid ceremony.

You still can change after Confirmation anyway. ;o

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He means, why are you supposedly unable to choose who you want to sleep with before 16, yet most Christians have already "chosen" the religion they're going to follow for the rest of their life by age three. The age of consent seems a bit off.

Ah, I see. Well yes, I was baptized when I was less than a year old. Since then I've completely left the Christian faith. I don't think that baptism really matters that much if you're not a Christian, it's meaningless to me, as I'm atheist.

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The point is If its such a responsibility for you to chose why do some religions condemn you four questioning it?

Religion is a good way to control people. If they question it, they might come to the conclusion that religion is untrue, and will then be harder to control. Thus, they don't want you to question it.

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The point is If its such a responsibility for you to chose why do some religions condemn you four questioning it?

and why in the Us you can't consent for sex till your 16 but, most people have been baptized by age three?

*facepalm*

 

Because sex can be a REALLY bad decision, ruin your life, future wife/husband may not marry right away for it, many people have made horrible decisions about it....

 

Of course, the same could be said about religion, but it's reversible. Sex is not.

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I was raised Christian, but I ended up as an atheist anyways. It's my decision to make, not my parents' decision. Christianity never appealed to me, and nor did any other religion. The minute I turn 18 I'm so going to resign from the state church.

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If you're raised a certain religion, you grow up with knowing all the supporting evidence of that religion, and your lines of reasoning usually support your religion. I was raised Christian, so through reading a lot of Christian books, I know, for example, that the chances of a single cell forming through random mutation is one in 10^40,000. I can list many reasons for my belief that Athiesm is impossible; just as an Athiest can list many reasons for their belief that Christianity is impossible.

 

The point is If its such a responsibility for you to chose why do some religions condemn you four questioning it?

Like what? At times I question my religion; I think about all the reasons it make sense and all the reasons it does not; and usually, I can come up with an answer for all of the 'evidence' against Christianity. If no one questioned their religion, we'd still be polythiestic pagans worshipping rain gods. :aware:

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It's free will, it's your own choice. There's no compulsion on you.

 

Trying to research the major world faiths would be a good choice.

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Water baptism is meaningless except as a symbol and because people like touchy-feely ceremonies. Being baptised/Confirmed/Crackers'n'Juice is without purpose if the individual believer does not have the spiritual backup to support it. If you are water baptised, it is still your choice whether to become a Christian.

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If no one questioned their religion, we'd still be polythiestic pagans worshipping rain gods. :aware:

Which would make no less sense than what most people do now.

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I think that most people are forced to be a certain religion at an early age. Sunday school is one of the big factors in it, making the stories of the bible seem fun, real, and child-like. Then comes the parents, bringing you to church everyday, and stuffing the religion down your throats (dramatization ftw? :)).

 

After thinking about it long and hard, I have decided to become an atheist. Of course now with the price of gas, my parents usually only take us like once a week.

 

 

Off-topic: Why do I misspell atheist, "athiest?" :aware:

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If no one questioned their religion, we'd still be polythiestic pagans worshipping rain gods. :)

Which would make no less sense than what most people do now.

 

Aside from the fact that, at the present, science has not proven any of the major religions wrong. Because of science, one one believes in the Greek mythologies. But Christianity, Islam, and other popular religions are not only possible, but also somewhat supported by science and history.

 

If you can find anything in the Bible that can be proven wrong by modern science, I'll give you a cookie. :aware:

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If no one questioned their religion, we'd still be polythiestic pagans worshipping rain gods. :)

Which would make no less sense than what most people do now.

 

Aside from the fact that, at the present, science has not proven any of the major religions wrong. Because of science, one one believes in the Greek mythologies. But Christianity, Islam, and other popular religions are not only possible, but also somewhat supported by science and history.

 

If you can find anything in the Bible that can be proven wrong by modern science, I'll give you a cookie. :aware:

Science has proven that the Earth is not 6,000 years old and that we were not placed directly on this Earth by God as humans.

 

I hate when people do this, as science and religion do not go together. One relies on observation and coming to conclusions, while the other relies on pure faith.

Edited by Adam?

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If no one questioned their religion, we'd still be polythiestic pagans worshipping rain gods. :)

Which would make no less sense than what most people do now.

 

Aside from the fact that, at the present, science has not proven any of the major religions wrong. Because of science, one one believes in the Greek mythologies. But Christianity, Islam, and other popular religions are not only possible, but also somewhat supported by science and history.

 

If you can find anything in the Bible that can be proven wrong by modern science, I'll give you a cookie. :aware:

Science has proven that the Earth is not 6,000 years old and that we were not placed directly on this Earth by God as humans.

 

I hate when people do this, as science and religion do not go together. One relies on observation and coming to conclusions, while the other relies on pure faith.

 

1) No where, in the Bible, does it say that the Earth is 6,000 years old. First of all, the Bible does not speak of the Earth itself, but more of human existence. Second, scholars have discovered that it is likely that the Bible skipped unimportant people; in the book of Numbers, they believe that when it said someone was the son of someone else, it simply meant 'descendant'.

 

2) That has NOT been proven. Just because you found some bones that look like monkeys and people mixed together does not mean that we were once apes. Evolution exists; life changes over time; but fish never, ever, turn into dogs, no matter how long you wait.

 

3) Of course science and religion go together. Religion is becoming less and less reliant on our faith. When Darwin came up with his theory, no one knew anything about the inside of a cell; the Universe was a mystery; quantum physics had yet to be descovered for 50 years. The world was much simpler at that time. Science is our way of discovering the world around us. Religion is just a theory that explains it.

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If no one questioned their religion, we'd still be polythiestic pagans worshipping rain gods. :)

Which would make no less sense than what most people do now.

 

Aside from the fact that, at the present, science has not proven any of the major religions wrong. Because of science, one one believes in the Greek mythologies. But Christianity, Islam, and other popular religions are not only possible, but also somewhat supported by science and history.

 

If you can find anything in the Bible that can be proven wrong by modern science, I'll give you a cookie. :)

Science has proven that the Earth is not 6,000 years old and that we were not placed directly on this Earth by God as humans.

 

I hate when people do this, as science and religion do not go together. One relies on observation and coming to conclusions, while the other relies on pure faith.

 

2) That has NOT been proven. Just because you found some bones that look like monkeys and people mixed together does not mean that we were once apes. Evolution exists; life changes over time; but fish never, ever, turn into dogs, no matter how long you wait.

 

We found fossils that contain human characteristics and ape characteristics that originated thousands of years ago, not monkeys. :aware:

Not to mention that we look strikingly similar (nearly identical) to monkeys, and orangutans.

I think you may be misunderstanding something. No, present day fish won't turn into dogs unless they're environment changes over a LONG period of time. This is what happened when fish (or whatever you wish to call them) grew legs, they were adapting to the land, this made it easier to lay their eggs. And the increased oxygen allowed for more intelligent life to evolve. After these legged-fish, came things with backbones (more developed backbones, to be precise). Which then led to to two different branches: Primitive Mammals, and Reptiles. Mammals would eventually evolve into every mammal we see today, and reptiles would evolve into dinosaurs, and the reptiles we see today.

 

Please understand that I'm only attempting to explain it, if you want better details or information you should really study it online.

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2) That has NOT been proven. Just because you found some bones that look like monkeys and people mixed together does not mean that we were once apes. Evolution exists; life changes over time; but fish never, ever, turn into dogs, no matter how long you wait.

The theory is that we developed from a common ancestor, NOT that monkey became humans. Get it right. Also: gimme a break. What possible evolutionary advantages would turn a fish into a dog. :aware:

 

3) Of course science and religion go together. Religion is becoming less and less reliant on our faith. When Darwin came up with his theory, no one knew anything about the inside of a cell; the Universe was a mystery; quantum physics had yet to be descovered for 50 years. The world was much simpler at that time. Science is our way of discovering the world around us. Religion is just a theory that explains it.

You can't explain phenomena in the Bible through science, so they do not go together. Since one cannot substantiate the other, they must be kept apart. You can be a scientist and follow a religion, but they do NOT belong together.

Edited by Adam?

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2) That has NOT been proven. Just because you found some bones that look like monkeys and people mixed together does not mean that we were once apes. Evolution exists; life changes over time; but fish never, ever, turn into dogs, no matter how long you wait.

The theory is that we developed from a common ancestor, NOT that monkey became humans. Get it right. Also: gimme a break. What possible evolutionary advantages would turn a fish into a dog. :aware:

 

3) Of course science and religion go together. Religion is becoming less and less reliant on our faith. When Darwin came up with his theory, no one knew anything about the inside of a cell; the Universe was a mystery; quantum physics had yet to be descovered for 50 years. The world was much simpler at that time. Science is our way of discovering the world around us. Religion is just a theory that explains it.

You can't explain phenomena in the Bible through science, so they do not go together. Since one cannot substantiate the other, they must be kept apart. You can be a scientist and follow a religion, but they do NOT belong together.

Nonsense. Are you saying that one can't use science to attempt to explain the bible? Why not?

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