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Since most of you hanging around Sal's are 18 or under here is something to think about.

 

Child pornography is, obviously, forbidden. But what if the maker of this is below the age of 18 him/her self? Or:

Not so long ago, you could take an album or two (of music, not photos) and record a bunch of different songs, copy them to a cassette tape as a mix, and give the music to a friend. Now, if you do the same thing with online tools, it's called "file sharing" and has gotten many individuals sued. It also used to be easy to grab a Polaroid camera, take a naked photo, and hand it to a friend. That friend might pass the photo around without you knowing it, but these things happened and this was the risk you took when you pointed the camera at your uncovered bits. It was not totally uncommon for people under the age of eighteen to do this; hormones raging, it happened, and if you got caught you'd be in a lot of trouble. But you were likely mostly embarrassed. And then totally grounded.

Translate this to the electronic age and you get this: Take pic with cell phone, send pic to boy/girl friend in text message and you are in trouble. Big trouble.

In October 2008, a 15-year-old Newark, Ohio girl was charged with felony child pornography charges for sending nude photographs of herself to a classmate in a text message. Charged with "possessing criminal tools and the illegal use of a minor in nudity-oriented material," she'd taken a nekkid pic of herself and sent it to a 13-year-old classmate (male). She currently faces felony sex offense charges, and the likelihood of having to register as a "sex offender" for the rest of her life.

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And this is why I hate the legal system. There are more problems how there then kids sending pictures of themselves to others, making porn videos for themselves, or having sex but no we must focus on this especially the teenagers. Oh and I loved the part on them mentioning New York. So they worry about the teenagers when kids in elementary school (5th grade-) are having sex, yes it is that rampant in some schools >_>.

 

I personally don't see anything wrong with it, it's their decision and their choice, and technology is going to evolve beyond what they can control so why try in the first place? They are only setting themselves up to be ridiculed in the future.

 

As far as I'm concerned it should be legal. I really really wish I had a favorite comic book of mine at the moment to take a picture of one of the strips, I'll see if I can find it online later.

 

Also cell phones are now classified as 'criminal tools'? Who comes up with these anyway?

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And this is why I hate the legal system. There are more problems how there then kids sending pictures of themselves to others, making porn videos for themselves, or having sex but no we must focus on this especially the teenagers. Oh and I loved the part on them mentioning New York. So they worry about the teenagers when kids in elementary school (5th grade-) are having sex, yes it is that rampant in some schools >_>.

 

I personally don't see anything wrong with it, it's their decision and their choice, and technology is going to evolve beyond what they can control so why try in the first place? They are only setting themselves up to be ridiculed in the future.

 

As far as I'm concerned it should be legal. I really really wish I had a favorite comic book of mine at the moment to take a picture of one of the strips, I'll see if I can find it online later.

 

Also cell phones are now classified as 'criminal tools'? Who comes up with these anyway?

I tend to think it is only part of the problem. One thing that seems to be alluding us is the way to combine technology with moral standards. And thus 'we' tend to fall back on the most despicable thing possible: Turn back to the old ways. Like we were 50 years ago. The moral fibre of the old days, the GOP, the VVD (dutch), the CDU (german) and so on...

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Moral standards of the past should not be grounds of setting standards for the future. If we follow that logic we would never get anywhere because to someone somewhere anything someone does is immoral, amoral or any other way you want to put it. Allowing freedom of one's self without legal interferance removes this barrier. I personally don't see anything wrong with it counting the number of people who do similar acts to the one listed in the article massively outnumbers the number of times they will be able to enforce it so the law in my opinion should be null and void as it isn't going to do anything other then cause unnecessary grief, and a felt invasion of privacy.

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How does that make her a sex offendor? that what ii dont understand i mean they are pictures of herself? and she gave them someone else. >.< this would just create unecessary stress for her

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How does that make her a sex offendor? that what ii dont understand i mean they are pictures of herself? and she gave them someone else. >.< this would just create unecessary stress for her

 

 

I suggest you look up the legal codes regarding this.

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One word: ridiculous.

 

Doesn't the government have better things to do than catch up teenagers taking pictures of themselves?

 

~Magical

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One word: ridiculous.

 

Doesn't the government have better things to do than catch up teenagers taking pictures of themselves?

 

~Magical

 

 

Of course there's the massive debt, the war, and the economy being in shambles, but nope, child porn is a higher priority. /END SARCASM.

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One word: ridiculous.

 

Doesn't the government have better things to do than catch up teenagers taking pictures of themselves?

 

~Magical

 

 

Of course there's the massive debt, the war, and the economy being in shambles, but nope, child porn is a higher priority. /END SARCASM.

If it was child porn by and for adults, it may be a little different - but how much is this case costing? I'm sure it could be spent on a few extra police patrols in an area, fund some pedestrian crossings, fund the war, even banking it....

 

~Magical

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One word: ridiculous.

 

Doesn't the government have better things to do than catch up teenagers taking pictures of themselves?

 

~Magical

 

 

Of course there's the massive debt, the war, and the economy being in shambles, but nope, child porn is a higher priority. /END SARCASM

 

 

 

If it was child porn by and for adults, it may be a little different - but how much is this case costing? I'm sure it could be spent on a few extra police patrols in an area, fund some pedestrian crossings, fund the war, even banking it....

 

~Magical

You don't seem to get it: This is NOT an isolated case. The law says it is a sex-offence and thus various District Attorneys are making cases. Simply because they don't know how to deal with "moral going down the hill in youngsters". It is the real deal. The funny thing is you seem to be worried about the big picture... But it are these 'little' pictures that are growing. And that is worrying.

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One word: ridiculous.

 

Doesn't the government have better things to do than catch up teenagers taking pictures of themselves?

 

~Magical

 

 

Of course there's the massive debt, the war, and the economy being in shambles, but nope, child porn is a higher priority. /END SARCASM

 

 

 

If it was child porn by and for adults, it may be a little different - but how much is this case costing? I'm sure it could be spent on a few extra police patrols in an area, fund some pedestrian crossings, fund the war, even banking it....

 

~Magical

You don't seem to get it: This is NOT an isolated case. The law says it is a sex-offence and thus various District Attorneys are making cases. Simply because they don't know how to deal with "moral going down the hill in youngsters". It is the real deal. The funny thing is you seem to be worried about the big picture... But it are these 'little' pictures that are growing. And that is worrying.

A life could be saved because of time wasting where the money could be spent on an extra CCTV camera... It's an offense? So what - it doesn't mean it should have priority over things that people actually care about.

 

You'll now start quoting what I said in the illegal songs topic, but there people were actually being robbed, whereas this is just pathetic.

 

~Magical

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You'll now start quoting what I said in the illegal songs topic, but there people were actually being robbed, whereas this is just pathetic.

 

~Magical

Nope, I'll only quote the last sentence. You might think it pathetic but you better start worrying about boys/girls of 13 who got convicted and deemed a sex-offender. You see, it kinda has an impact on the rest of your life. You can't rid yourself of that stigma. Imagine this: finished college, eye on a nice job... Oh, sex-offender. Exit job. Want to move house next to a school because it is just the best house you can afford? Hold on, sex-offender, stay outside the 100 yard perimiter (and that goes for churches aswel). You might think it is just a prank but once convicted your life just goes down the drain.

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You'll now start quoting what I said in the illegal songs topic, but there people were actually being robbed, whereas this is just pathetic.

 

~Magical

Nope, I'll only quote the last sentence. You might think it pathetic but you better start worrying about boys/girls of 13 who got convicted and deemed a sex-offender. You see, it kinda has an impact on the rest of your life. You can't rid yourself of that stigma. Imagine this: finished college, eye on a nice job... Oh, sex-offender. Exit job. Want to move house next to a school because it is just the best house you can afford? Hold on, sex-offender, stay outside the 100 yard perimiter (and that goes for churches aswel). You might think it is just a prank but once convicted your life just goes down the drain.

And that's why I'm saying they shouldn't be chasing up chid sex-offenders and marking them as that for the rest of their life when they've done little wrong then just send a picture of them to a bf or whatnot.

 

~Magical

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You'll now start quoting what I said in the illegal songs topic, but there people were actually being robbed, whereas this is just pathetic.

 

~Magical

Nope, I'll only quote the last sentence. You might think it pathetic but you better start worrying about boys/girls of 13 who got convicted and deemed a sex-offender. You see, it kinda has an impact on the rest of your life. You can't rid yourself of that stigma. Imagine this: finished college, eye on a nice job... Oh, sex-offender. Exit job. Want to move house next to a school because it is just the best house you can afford? Hold on, sex-offender, stay outside the 100 yard perimiter (and that goes for churches aswel). You might think it is just a prank but once convicted your life just goes down the drain.

And that's why I'm saying they shouldn't be chasing up chid sex-offenders and marking them as that for the rest of their life when they've done little wrong then just send a picture of them to a bf or whatnot.

 

~Magical

If I told you to abandon all of your current morals and accept one's I force on you instead of those you develop on your own, how would you re-act?

 

The problem is as I said before, old morals are trying to be kept, which is an impossibility. Hell, I can think of several sites I've heard of just by eavesdropping on conversations where guys have vented about posting naked pictures of their girlfriend or sex videos.

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Why the heck was the 13 year old arrested for receiving the message? What a stupid girl she got what she deserved if shes sending it out and then getting others in trouble for it!

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This thing happens all the time where I live.

 

It's nothing that can be stopped and its not like its a bunch of adults looking at it. Its a teenage girl who decided to do something stupid and sent naked pics out everywhere. I mean its embarrassing as hell and the girl would probably be ridiculed for a while anyway but its not dangerous. Nothing bad is going to happen because of it.

 

(Ie. There was one about a year back that was sent around in my school involving a girl and a baseball bat. (>.<) That girl is fine besides the fact that everyone makes fun of her about it.)

 

Plain and simple fact is its stupid, not dangerous. It shouldn't be illegal.

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Would they rather she showed the real thing?

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Moral standards of the past should not be grounds of setting standards for the future. If we follow that logic we would never get anywhere because to someone somewhere anything someone does is immoral, amoral or any other way you want to put it. Allowing freedom of one's self without legal interferance removes this barrier.

Right, time to get the discussion on the move.

 

Basically that is my contention. We, as a society, have laws, different in small ways depending on the country you live in. The laws in place at this moment do NOT cover the way technology changes and the consequent change in moral standards. Laws lag technological development at least by a decade. In the Netherlands a crime watch unit solely dedicated to internet crime has been in place for little over a year... 20 years after it became clear the internet was a source of 'new crimes'.

 

I won't comment on any legal system and the consequenses of that system just yet. (let more argument flow before we cross that bridge)

 

I personally don't see anything wrong with it counting the number of people who do similar acts to the one listed in the article massively outnumbers the number of times they will be able to enforce it so the law in my opinion should be null and void as it isn't going to do anything other then cause unnecessary grief, and a felt invasion of privacy.

Agreed. >.<

 

What a stupid girl she got what she deserved if shes sending it out and then getting others in trouble for it!

Right. Anymore of those comments? Time to, once again, quote a famous quote.

Lack of intellect I can deal with, that, after all is genetic. It is stupidity that irks me; that is learned behaviour.
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*Laughs his cabbage off*

 

There's an important lesson in this young ones:

 

Keep it in your pants.

 

 

Getting labled a sex offender might be a bit on the throw-the-book side, but it's still immensely stupid to send out naked pictures of oneself.

 

@ slei: Any device used to commit a felony is a criminal tool. A fork can be a criminal tool of you stab someone with it.

@ several posters: Distribution of pornographic pics of a minor is a federal crime. It also violates international law.

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*Laughs his cabbage off*

 

There's an important lesson in this young ones:

 

Keep it in your pants.

Or have the government stay out of crap that isn't theirs. If a person wants to send naked pictures of him or herself, let them do it (as long as the recipient is fine with it, also).

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*Laughs his cabbage off*

 

There's an important lesson in this young ones:

 

Keep it in your pants.

Or have the government stay out of crap that isn't theirs. If a person wants to send naked pictures of him or herself, let them do it (as long as the recipient is fine with it, also).

 

You realize knowing something like this is happening and not reporting is a crime also?

 

Child porn is way to serious for the government to adopt a don't ask don't tell policy.

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*Laughs his cabbage off*

 

There's an important lesson in this young ones:

 

Keep it in your pants.

Or have the government stay out of crap that isn't theirs. If a person wants to send naked pictures of him or herself, let them do it (as long as the recipient is fine with it, also).

 

You realize knowing something like this is happening and not reporting is a crime also?

 

Child porn is way to serious for the government to adopt a don't ask don't tell policy.

 

What makes child porn so much worse than any other type of porn?

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What makes child porn so much worse than any other type of porn?

 

I am not even going to fully answer that >.<

 

The whole problem with this issue is the definition of child is so far out of whack compared to 50-60 years ago that to even call someone a child at 13-15 is not accurate.

 

They are young adults therefore completely aware of right and wrong and should be able to make informed decisions based on moral codes, society expectations and other such things.

 

A true child on the other hand would be someone under the age of 11-12 who is still maturing, either in a sexual way or a brain power way and it is true that some people are more intelligent than others or have "street smarts" and this is where the catch-all system cleans up.

 

I personally think that the whole definition of "child/adult" needs to be thought through again, not in 20-30 years but now...we have the internet, video, phones with cameras on them therefore children are far more sophisticated and far more aware of things that would've been a mystery to most people even 40 years ago.

 

The word that lawyers always bring up is "consensual", a 15 year old girl who takes a photo of herself knows what she is doing and the recipient is 13 so would know what is going on. (maybe in time that girl will get herself in serious trouble though which will boot up Darwins Law for the benefit of the human race)

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If an adult takes pictures of a minor and spreads them around it should be a crime. If the minor takes and spreads it around themselves then its just stupidity on their part.

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*Laughs his cabbage off*

 

There's an important lesson in this young ones:

 

Keep it in your pants.

Or have the government stay out of crap that isn't theirs. If a person wants to send naked pictures of him or herself, let them do it (as long as the recipient is fine with it, also).

 

You realize knowing something like this is happening and not reporting is a crime also?

 

Child porn is way to serious for the government to adopt a don't ask don't tell policy.

Shouldn't be. If a teenager wants to take a naked picture of their self and send it to a person, fine with me. Fifteen year old's shouldn't even be considered as a child.

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