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As a Christian, we come to learn that God doesn't accept homosexuatlity.

Except thousands and thousands of Christians disagree with you. Yes, it is a popular opinion among Christian, but a large minority of Christians don't think God has a problem with homosexuality, and that group is getting larger every day.

 

In fact, the Bible says that the mere act of it is an abomination: "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." - Lev 18:22. This draws into the examining of another verse which links to the one I just stated: "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them." - Lev 20:13. Summing the above up, God very clearly states, that homosexuality is a sin.

You're taking that passage out of context. It is in a list of ritual purity laws which the ancient Hebrews followed. There are no Christians who follow even most of them. They also include as abominations - shaving, wearing clothes made of more than one type of fabric, eating anything that isn't kosher like shellfish and pork, and sitting on a chair that a woman who was menstruating also sat on.

 

Now this compels you to draw into consideration as to what is sin. Basically, to sin is to rebel against God. What does this lead into? The fact that rebelling is the act that a person chooses to do. Take the bold word into deep thought, chooses. I had posted in another thread (Proof of God), that God gave us free will in order for us not to reluctantly serve and love him, but to willingly serve and love him. Yet through giving us this free will, he had to allow sin which, as I said before, going against God and choosing to go against his teachings and his Word. So if we choose to become homosexual and commit such acts, we are really sinning. And so the Bible emphasizes on the point that, in basic terms, no sinner may enter Heaven. No sinner may enter this glorious kingdom of God.

Except Jesus says in the New Testament that the whole of the law can be summed up in loving -- that if you love in earnest, you are obeying the law. He is saying that obedience to specific, out-dated rules (like the ones in Leviticus, most of which are unfollowed even by the strictest of Christians) is not as important to God as understanding Him as a God of mercy and love, and as behaving in honour of the love with which He created us. Homosexual behaviour is not an assault to love -- it is a pure expression of love. When two women kiss, they don't kiss because they want to disobey God. They kiss because they want to show love for one another. And "love is the sum of the law."

 

From there, some people may proclaim that they were born homosexual and that there's nothing they can do about it. That is false. For if we are born being homosexual and have no other choice in the matter, and yet God states that this is a sin - then that would lead to the conclusion that God is unjust. So is God unjust, or are we not born homosexual? The latter falls under the definite truth of the fact that God is a just god, so we are not born homosexual. So what does this mean? We are all born into this world as sinners, and in turn, we all choose to sin. Although we may not be tempted in the same way, we are still evil and we still choose to sin one way or another. However, this is not the same as being born with say brown or black hair, or blue eyes. Some people these days say that they were born homosexual and would never have chosen to be that way. We as Christians, say that homosexuality is but a choice. Which side is right? Both are. Those people were born with a tendency towards homosexuality, which means that this is an area where they are vulnerable to temptation - however this is not similar to being born with brown or black hair, or blue eyes.

Considering you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about, I wouldn't consider you an authority on the subject. How about you ask a gay person whether they chose to be gay? Rather than dancing around it with your twisted logic, why don't you just ask someone who has actually experienced it? My sister is a devout Christian -- one of the most religious people I know -- and she thinks this notion of homosexuality being a choice is absolutely disgusting, and idiotic.

 

So through all this, through finding that homosexuality is a sin we choose to commit, we find that we, as humans, are slaves to sin and are under its control. When we make the choice to sin, we then turn into a slave for it. But then one thing comes into consideration, that is salvation. Now salvation is seen and defined as being free from sin and being forgiven of sin. So this choice isn't to be homosexual or not, its to either confess our sins and turn to God, or remain slaves to sin and therefor remain in our sins, whatever they may be.

I have confessed before God that I am sexually attracted to men, and have asked for forgiveness if it is sin. And I was not "freed" from it. Rather, I felt more and more confident in myself and my sexuality, and lost any trace of shame, and loved God much more for it. I know, from my experience with Him, that He makes homosexual people that way for a reason -- why? I don't know for sure. It is a cross to bear, for certain, and there will be a great reward in Heaven for those who have had to endure society's awfulness toward them.

 

So how should Christians view homosexuality? How do I view homosexuality? We (and I), should view it the same way we see any other person lost in the dark: with compassion and love. They are loved by God and because of that, are no more filthy of sin than we were before we were cleansed by the blood of the Lamb.

They are not in the dark, my friend, you are. You cannot be so self-assured, because your personal experience with God has nothing to do with homosexuality.

 

"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another." - John 13:34-35.

And I have loved men as God has loved me -- with all my heart. So stone me to death, because I am bloodguilty of experiencing self-sacrificing, God-inspired love toward human beings of the same gender as myself. Abomination indeed.

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Because that's the way it was meant to be. If men/women were supposed to have sex with eachother, they would have gotten different bodies that would be more acceptable for such stuff. Thats why it is wrong and it has always been wrong.

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Because that's the way it was meant to be. If men/women were supposed to have sex with eachother, they would have gotten different bodies that would be more acceptable for such stuff. Thats why it is wrong and it has always been wrong.

Their current bodies are perfectly well-suited for having sex with members of the same gender. If it weren't, they simply wouldn't do it. Or at least, it would be less enjoyable.

 

"The way it was meant to be" is a silly argument, because you have no way of knowing that. Not to mention the fact that homosexuality has existed long before human beings have, and there are plenty of things invented rather recently that you'd never say is "not the way it was meant to be" as a means of proving it immoral.

 

And that bit about "it has always been wrong" -- that's not right either. The Jews were the first people in the world to ever consider anything moral wrong with it. Every culture before them considered it perfectly fine. And the Jews were just making ritual laws to separate themselves from the other religious groups at the time, who performed homosexual acts as part of fertility rituals. Go figure. It's the same reason Jews aren't allowed to eat pork -- not because pork is immoral. Who thinks that?

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Because that's the way it was meant to be. If men/women were supposed to have sex with eachother, they would have gotten different bodies that would be more acceptable for such stuff. Thats why it is wrong and it has always been wrong.

Their current bodies are perfectly well-suited for having sex with members of the same gender. If it weren't, they simply wouldn't do it. Or at least, it would be less enjoyable.

 

"The way it was meant to be" is a silly argument, because you have no way of knowing that. Not to mention the fact that homosexuality has existed long before human beings have, and there are plenty of things invented rather recently that you'd never say is "not the way it was meant to be" as a means of proving it immoral.

 

And that bit about "it has always been wrong" -- that's not right either. The Jews were the first people in the world to ever consider anything moral wrong with it. Every culture before them considered it perfectly fine. And the Jews were just making ritual laws to separate themselves from the other religious groups at the time, who performed homosexual acts as part of fertility rituals. Go figure. It's the same reason Jews aren't allowed to eat pork -- not because pork is immoral. Who thinks that?

 

Yes you take it in the butt (Eww). If it would be well-suited then men would have something like a Vagina that could also allow men to give birth to babies. Obviously there isn't such a thing and some sick mind a while back thought it would be cool to use his butt where all his nasty poop comes out. Yeah sure the place from which poop comes out and whatnot is a good place.

 

That isn't called well-suited.

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Most religions are centered around reproduction even though they have strict rules concerning it. Most religions despise homosexuality as it is different to most people's goals in life which is obviously to reproduce. Sex is forbidden outside of marriage in most religions and it must NOT be used for pleasure too. Religions don't like homosexuality, or homosexual marriage so, two men having sex is a serious sin to some.

 

I know this because of my GCSE studies in religion.

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Yes you take it in the butt (Eww). If it would be well-suited then men would have something like a Vagina that could also allow men to give birth to babies. Obviously there isn't such a thing and some sick mind a while back thought it would be cool to use his butt where all his nasty poop comes out. Yeah sure the place from which poop comes out and whatnot is a good place.

 

So your penis is where all that nasty pee comes out of (Ewww).

 

By your logic me getting a blowjob is immoral too because a woman can't make babies through her mouth. As is Jerking off because the air can't use my Jizz to make babies neither can the Toilet, The Toilet Paper and W/E fetishes you may have that would cause you to jizz on some other object. Also having sex with a condom on is equally Immoral i guess as is Birth control, Visectomies, Boob Jobs, Kinkier Things (Paper porn XD) and basically everything except Pen0r-Vajayjay sex correct?

 

Confirm Deny?

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Yes you take it in the butt (Eww).

Lol, I actually never have.

 

If it would be well-suited then men would have something like a Vagina that could also allow men to give birth to babies.

That's assuming sex's only role in the world is procreation. Which it definitely isn't, or else you'd consider it immoral for infertile heterosexuals to have sex.

 

Obviously there isn't such a thing and some sick mind a while back thought it would be cool to use his butt where all his nasty poop comes out. Yeah sure the place from which poop comes out and whatnot is a good place.

 

That isn't called well-suited.

You clearly don't know anything about it.

 

So your penis is where all that nasty pee comes out of (Ewww).

Very good response to that guy. :eyebrows:

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Yes you take it in the butt (Eww). If it would be well-suited then men would have something like a Vagina that could also allow men to give birth to babies. Obviously there isn't such a thing and some sick mind a while back thought it would be cool to use his butt where all his nasty poop comes out. Yeah sure the place from which poop comes out and whatnot is a good place.

 

If anal sex was not meant to take place the nerves around the anus would not respond the way they do. (Pleasurably) That is according to creationism.

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As a Christian, we come to learn that God doesn't accept homosexuatlity. In fact, the Bible says that the mere act of it is an abomination: "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." - Lev 18:22. This draws into the examining of another verse which links to the one I just stated: "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them." - Lev 20:13. Summing the above up, God very clearly states, that homosexuality is a sin.

 

Now -- you see -- this is where you go completely wrong.

 

"god" says no such thing -- "Leviticus" (if that is even who actually wrote the text itself) isn't "god", and the text itself is likely somewhat circumspect.

 

Not to mention the obvious fact that Leviticus does not have the authority to determine "sins", but rather he sets downs a series of "commandments" or "laws". Ultimately, Leviticus' writings are nothing more than a series of rules and regulations, set down as modifiers of human behaviour, as a means of managing or controlling certain aspects of the community.

 

"Leviticus" writes a lot of other things which were also deemed "laws" in his time, thousands of years ago. I suggest that you see my earlier post. All of these old laws are clearly contrary to modern living.

 

We no longer punish people for eating shellfish, nor is the handling the skin of a pig punishable by death.

 

We no longer sell our children into slavery.

 

Clearly, these ridiculous old laws are not applicable to society in the 21st century.

 

The same applies to homosexuality.

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As a Christian, we come to learn that God doesn't accept homosexuatlity. In fact, the Bible says that the mere act of it is an abomination: "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." - Lev 18:22. This draws into the examining of another verse which links to the one I just stated: "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them." - Lev 20:13. Summing the above up, God very clearly states, that homosexuality is a sin.

 

Now -- you see -- this is where you go completely wrong.

 

"god" says no such thing -- "Leviticus" (if that is even who actually wrote the text itself) isn't "god", and the text itself is likely somewhat circumspect.

 

Not to mention the obvious fact that Leviticus does not have the authority to determine "sins", but rather he sets downs a series of "commandments" or "laws". Ultimately, Leviticus' writings are nothing more than a series of rules and regulations, set down as modifiers of human behaviour, as a means of managing or controlling certain aspects of the community.

 

"Leviticus" writes a lot of other things which were also deemed "laws" in his time, thousands of years ago. I suggest that you see my earlier post. All of these old laws are clearly contrary to modern living.

 

We no longer punish people for eating shellfish, nor is the handling the skin of a pig punishable by death.

 

We no longer sell our children into slavery.

 

Clearly, these ridiculous old laws are not applicable to society in the 21st century.

 

The same applies to homosexuality.

I agree with what you're saying, but Leviticus isn't a person. >___< It's the Greek name for the book that means "relative to the Levites", which are members of the Hebrew tribe of Levi. >___<

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As a Christian, we come to learn that God doesn't accept homosexuatlity. In fact, the Bible says that the mere act of it is an abomination: "You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination." - Lev 18:22. This draws into the examining of another verse which links to the one I just stated: "If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them." - Lev 20:13. Summing the above up, God very clearly states, that homosexuality is a sin.

 

Now -- you see -- this is where you go completely wrong.

 

"god" says no such thing -- "Leviticus" (if that is even who actually wrote the text itself) isn't "god", and the text itself is likely somewhat circumspect.

 

Not to mention the obvious fact that Leviticus does not have the authority to determine "sins", but rather he sets downs a series of "commandments" or "laws". Ultimately, Leviticus' writings are nothing more than a series of rules and regulations, set down as modifiers of human behaviour, as a means of managing or controlling certain aspects of the community.

 

"Leviticus" writes a lot of other things which were also deemed "laws" in his time, thousands of years ago. I suggest that you see my earlier post. All of these old laws are clearly contrary to modern living.

 

We no longer punish people for eating shellfish, nor is the handling the skin of a pig punishable by death.

 

We no longer sell our children into slavery.

 

Clearly, these ridiculous old laws are not applicable to society in the 21st century.

 

The same applies to homosexuality.

I agree with what you're saying, but Leviticus isn't a person. >___< It's the Greek name for the book that means "relative to the Levites", which are members of the Hebrew tribe of Levi. >___<

 

Yes, I know -- I was using the "he" as a means of simplification.

 

Your point is equally useful here -- we're not talking about about some "prophet" who has spoken with his "god, but rather a general consensus of individuals who decided to draft laws in a written form for the purposes of applying same to the general populace in an effort to control the behaviour of their society.

 

This isn't the word of a "god", it's not even passed down through a prophet ...

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Yes, I know -- I was using the "he" as a means of simplification.

 

Your point is equally useful here -- we're not talking about about some "prophet" who has spoken with his "god, but rather a general consensus of individuals who decided to draft laws in a written form for the purposes of applying same to the general populace in an effort to control the behaviour of their society.

 

This isn't the word of a "god", it's not even passed down through a prophet ...

Well, it is one of the five books of Moses, and there is a small group of people that believe Moses himself received these books directly from God. But if you look at the texts linguistically speaking, it is easy to tell that they were written by a varying group of people.

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i'd read all the previous posts, but i took one look at one post... and its way too... disgusting to read through it all... so i will simply post you answer

 

there is no debate as to WHY homosexuality is wrong (or i guess ill say, we Christians think its wrong) is because God mad ONE man and ONE woman to be together, be married, and have kids. anything out side that one man and one woman is wrong.

 

theres your answer :\

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there is no debate as to WHY homosexuality is wrong (or i guess ill say, we Christians think its wrong) is because God mad ONE man and ONE woman to be together, be married, and have kids. anything out side that one man and one woman is wrong.

 

theres your answer :\

So because Adam and Eve were heterosexual, that means God must have intended everybody to be? Adam and Eve were probably African, does that mean Caucasians are immoral by nature? They spoke a different language than we did, they probably didn't dress very decently, etc... Just because God created Adam for Eve and Eve for Adam doesn't mean that He created every man for some woman and every woman for some man. What makes you so sure that God doesn't create gay people for one another the same way He creates heterosexual people that way?

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i'd read all the previous posts, but i took one look at one post... and its way too... disgusting to read through it all... so i will simply post you answer

 

there is no debate as to WHY homosexuality is wrong (or i guess ill say, we Christians think its wrong) is because God mad ONE man and ONE woman to be together, be married, and have kids. anything out side that one man and one woman is wrong.

 

theres your answer :\

I'm a Christian and don't think that. :eyebrows:

 

That's only what's taught so that Christians can be sheltered, which is sad. ;)

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I've never really understood what's wrong with it, considering it's love.

 

I mean if it's real love, I figure the world needs as much as it can get, no matter who it's between. But instead we have strained relationships, people in denial, people hating.....all because we refuse to open standards of love.

 

I can't see God (who I think loves and knows humanity and loves us more for being human!) looking down and being mad at people in love. Maybe He's sad that they don't love the way he wanted.....but begrudging them their love? No, I just can't see it. I think he's just as sad when he looks down and see Christians full of hate towards other people.

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Yes, I know -- I was using the "he" as a means of simplification.

 

Your point is equally useful here -- we're not talking about about some "prophet" who has spoken with his "god, but rather a general consensus of individuals who decided to draft laws in a written form for the purposes of applying same to the general populace in an effort to control the behaviour of their society.

 

This isn't the word of a "god", it's not even passed down through a prophet ...

Well, it is one of the five books of Moses, and there is a small group of people that believe Moses himself received these books directly from God. But if you look at the texts linguistically speaking, it is easy to tell that they were written by a varying group of people.

 

Meh - they weren't even "written" in Moses' time for that matter -- these texts make numerous references to events that happens thousands of years after Moses time and cities that didn't even exist in Moses' time ...

 

i'd read all the previous posts, but i took one look at one post... and its way too... disgusting to read through it all... so i will simply post you answer

 

there is no debate as to WHY homosexuality is wrong (or i guess ill say, we Christians think its wrong) is because God mad ONE man and ONE woman to be together, be married, and have kids. anything out side that one man and one woman is wrong.

 

theres your answer :\

 

Marriage is a "human" construct.

 

But then again, so is "god" for that matter.

 

Ya know, where I come from, we have an expression that goes something like this:

"You know your god is man-made when he hates all the same people you do ..."

Edited by Blyaunte

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there is no debate as to WHY homosexuality is wrong (or i guess ill say, we Christians think its wrong) is because God mad ONE man and ONE woman to be together, be married, and have kids. anything out side that one man and one woman is wrong.

 

How would adam and Eve marry if they were the only 2 people alive at the time? Would a a chimp come down from the trees and be the priest? Marriage didn't exist in those times somebody along the way just realised he could control people and make them do what he (or she?) wanted by hiding its redundancy behind a divine being and fairy-tale logic. Something that is done and always has/will be done so long as we humanity exists. The same thing was likely done with Homosexuality, someone for some reason decided that they didn't like 2 dudes giving/taking it up the butt so he/she "Spoke to god" who told them that homosexuality was wrong.

Interestingly enough if i were to go outside right now and tell people that wearing socks with sandals was an abomination punishable by death followed by an eternity in the afterlife (And i was serious about it) you would call me a lunatic. God didn't create sandals and he certainly did not create a man that walked around with socks or sandals so why is it any different? You seem to believe these Moses and Jesus guys but why not me? Was i not born equal to these 2 men (Or women idk Jesus looks like a tranny IMO) Is it impossible for me to hear the word of god as moses supposedly did?

 

Think about it. What gives Moses and Jesus more credibility then me?

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there is no debate as to WHY homosexuality is wrong (or i guess ill say, we Christians think its wrong) is because God mad ONE man and ONE woman to be together, be married, and have kids. anything out side that one man and one woman is wrong.

 

How would adam and Eve marry if they were the only 2 people alive at the time? Would a a chimp come down from the trees and be the priest? Marriage didn't exist in those times somebody along the way just realised he could control people and make them do what he (or she?) wanted by hiding its redundancy behind a divine being and fairy-tale logic. Something that is done and always has/will be done so long as we humanity exists. The same thing was likely done with Homosexuality, someone for some reason decided that they didn't like 2 dudes giving/taking it up the butt so he/she "Spoke to god" who told them that homosexuality was wrong.

Interestingly enough if i were to go outside right now and tell people that wearing socks with sandals was an abomination punishable by death followed by an eternity in the afterlife (And i was serious about it) you would call me a lunatic. God didn't create sandals and he certainly did not create a man that walked around with socks or sandals so why is it any different? You seem to believe these Moses and Jesus guys but why not me? Was i not born equal to these 2 men (Or women idk Jesus looks like a tranny IMO) Is it impossible for me to hear the word of god as moses supposedly did?

 

Think about it. What gives Moses and Jesus more credibility then me?

 

dude you dont understand

 

if you cant reproduce its wrong. I think that's what they mean

yet they don't say oral or anal is wrong :eyebrows:

Edited by -REAP-

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dude you dont understand

 

if you cant reproduce its wrong. I think that's what they mean

yet they don't say oral or anal is wrong

 

But why doesn't me saying its not wrong carry as much weight as Moses (or whoever it was) saying it is wrong?

We're all supposedly created equal so christianity vaguely implies therefore i should have as much credibilty as Moses if i were to say I've spoken to god and he said Homosecuality is ok.

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Think about it. What gives Moses and Jesus more credibility then me?

 

Their imaginary friend could beat up YOUR imaginary friend?

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Lolwut.jpg

 

Off topic but i loled.

 

LMAO -- yes I noticed that too.

 

Apropos, is it not?

 

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dude you dont understand

 

if you cant reproduce its wrong. I think that's what they mean

yet they don't say oral or anal is wrong

 

But why doesn't me saying its not wrong carry as much weight as Moses (or whoever it was) saying it is wrong?

We're all supposedly created equal so christianity vaguely implies therefore i should have as much credibilty as Moses if i were to say I've spoken to god and he said Homosecuality is ok.

Then give some propaganda pros some shrooms and tell them to write and advertise a new Bible-like book. :eyebrows:

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