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The White House has released President Barack Obama's birth certificate, in response to persistent rumours he was not born in the US.

 

Mr Obama had previously released an official "certification of live birth" showing he was born in Hawaii.

 

But fringe "birther" theorists have insisted Mr Obama was actually born in his father's native Kenya, making him ineligible to be president.

 

Recently potential Republican candidate Donald Trump has revived the rumour.

 

On Wednesday, Mr Obama described the unprecedented move as an effort to rid the US political debate of a distraction, saying he had watched, puzzled and bemused, as the birther conspiracy had built and developed over the past years.

 

He described the matter as a "sideshow" and its proponents as "carnival barkers".

 

"We do not have time for this kind of silliness," Mr Obama said. "We've got better stuff to do. I have better stuff to do. We've got big problems to solve, and I'm confident we can solve them, but we're going to have to focus on them - not on this."

 

The release of Mr Obama's long form birth certificate, which had been stored in a bound volume among the records of the Hawaii Department of Health since his birth in August 1961, comes after years of speculation among conspiracy-minded conservatives.

 

Under the US constitution, only a "natural born citizen" - a clause widely interpreted to mean born in the US or in some cases to US citizens abroad - is eligible to be president.

 

The birther conspiracy held that Mr Obama was born in Kenya or in Indonesia, where he lived as a child, or that the birth certificate revealed other unwholesome information about the president.

 

During the 2008 presidential campaign Mr Obama released a computer print-out of the birth certificate information that is recognised as an official record of his birth - on passport applications, for instance - and Hawaiian public health officials vouched for its authenticity.

 

But the move did little to quell the birthers, even as most mainstream Republicans have sought to quash the movement, calling it a distraction from substantive policy disagreements.

 

New York real estate entrepreneur and reality television star, meanwhile, has publicly flirted with a Republican presidential bid in recent weeks, founded in large part by stoking questions about Mr Obama's origins.

 

And on Wednesday, Mr Trump took credit for forcing Mr Obama's hand.

 

"I've accomplished something that nobody else has been able to accomplish," Mr Trump told reporters. "He should have done it a long time ago."

 

The White House released copies of the original birth certificate, with a stamp verifying its authenticity. White House officials said they had been given a waiver by Hawaii public health officials, as the state's policy in general bars release of long-form birth certificates.

Birthers unsatisfied

 

The document shows Barack Hussein Obama II was born 4 August 1961 at Kapiolani Maternity and Gynecological Hospital in Honolulu, to Barack Hussein Obama, a 25-year-old student, and Stanley Ann Dunham, 18, and includes the signature of the attending physician.

 

It remains unclear whether the release of the birth certificate will satisfy the most hard-core birthers.

 

Joseph Farah, chief executive of birther-orientated website WorldNetDaily.com, said on the site the document "raises as many questions as it answers".

 

"It is important to remember there are still dozens of other questions concerning this question of eligibility... concerning Barack Obama's parentage, his adoption, his citizenship status throughout his life and why he continues to cultivate a culture of secrecy around his life," he said.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-13212230

 

 

Its like most of the internet, you show them proof, they keep complaining :D

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Birthers new tactic:

 

It's fake!!!

 

Lets get down to the real reasons here.

 

He's not republican or he's not white.

 

One of the two reasons.

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let's not jump to the island of conclusions, it has to be a fake, why?

 

He's admitted that when he was born, his first name was Barry. During his teen years he changed it to Barrak. Now, if he was born "Barry" why does the certificate say "Barrak" He's had 3 years to forge it, guess they missed the small details.

 

From Yahoo Answers:source

 

Obama's Indonesian schooling began when he was entered into the Roman Catholic, Franciscus Assisi Primary School on January 1, 1968 and sat in class 1B. He was registered under the name Barry Soetoro, serial number 203. School documents listed Barry Soetoro as an Indonesian citizen and his religion was listed as Islam. He will spend three years at Franciscus.

 

Oh well TRUMP WILL FIX IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I really hope he wins next year

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Acute stupidity appears to be a rampant disease among the birthers. They'll find some stupid reason to spin this into their favor. "Obama's administration obviously has the technical capabilities to fake a birth certificate!" Stuff like that.

 

To be honest, I don't think Obama should have stooped down to their level in the first place. It's flat out insulting that the birthers think that somehow a candidate went from the primaries all the way to the Oval Office without having one of the primary requirements for being President.

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Acute stupidity appears to be a rampant disease among the birthers. They'll find some stupid reason to spin this into their favor. "Obama's administration obviously has the technical capabilities to fake a birth certificate!" Stuff like that.

 

To be honest, I don't think Obama should have stooped down to their level in the first place. It's flat out insulting that the birthers think that somehow a candidate went from the primaries all the way to the Oval Office without having one of the primary requirements for being President.

^bribery etc do exsist. Also, his youth stories are so vague, living in different countries, saying he's a Christian but going to a Muslim school, his whole pastor ordeal, all these things just make him seem so scetchy.

 

Also, imo, he's a total jackass. Telling us to save energy while he keeps the White House rather hot inside, why did he cap Gov. employee salaries but he's not adjusting his, it'd be nice if he would lead by example. Not to mention his health care, and he always talked about "spreading the wealth" just comes across as being a mini-marxist,

 

Case and point:

President-elect Barack Obama's choice to head the Labor Department has close ties to U.S. communist and socialist organizations and has sent representatives to functions organized by national parties for both ideologies.

 

The pick of Rep. Hilda L. Solis, D-Calif., a Congressional Hispanic Caucus leader considered to be one of the most reliably pro-union voices in the House, was hailed as a victory by communist and socialist leaders.

 

An article this past weekend in the Communist Party USA's People's Weekly World Newspaper welcomed Solis and quoted known socialist leaders calling her a "great choice" and an "outstanding" selection with "a life-long commitment to working people."

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let's not jump to the island of conclusions, it has to be a fake, why?

 

He's admitted that when he was born, his first name was Barry. During his teen years he changed it to Barrak. Now, if he was born "Barry" why does the certificate say "Barrak" He's had 3 years to forge it, guess they missed the small details.

 

From Yahoo Answers:source

 

Obama's Indonesian schooling began when he was entered into the Roman Catholic, Franciscus Assisi Primary School on January 1, 1968 and sat in class 1B. He was registered under the name Barry Soetoro, serial number 203. School documents listed Barry Soetoro as an Indonesian citizen and his religion was listed as Islam. He will spend three years at Franciscus.

 

Oh well TRUMP WILL FIX IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I really hope he wins next year

If you're not trolling, someone needs to smack you with a disco stick.

 

and for fudges sake Yahoo Answers =/= Reliable citation.

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let's not jump to the island of conclusions, it has to be a fake, why?

 

He's admitted that when he was born, his first name was Barry. During his teen years he changed it to Barrak. Now, if he was born "Barry" why does the certificate say "Barrak" He's had 3 years to forge it, guess they missed the small details.

 

From Yahoo Answers:source

 

Obama's Indonesian schooling began when he was entered into the Roman Catholic, Franciscus Assisi Primary School on January 1, 1968 and sat in class 1B. He was registered under the name Barry Soetoro, serial number 203. School documents listed Barry Soetoro as an Indonesian citizen and his religion was listed as Islam. He will spend three years at Franciscus.

 

Oh well TRUMP WILL FIX IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I really hope he wins next year

 

[Citation Needed]

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let's not jump to the island of conclusions, it has to be a fake, why?

 

He's admitted that when he was born, his first name was Barry. During his teen years he changed it to Barrak. Now, if he was born "Barry" why does the certificate say "Barrak" He's had 3 years to forge it, guess they missed the small details.

 

From Yahoo Answers:source

 

Obama's Indonesian schooling began when he was entered into the Roman Catholic, Franciscus Assisi Primary School on January 1, 1968 and sat in class 1B. He was registered under the name Barry Soetoro, serial number 203. School documents listed Barry Soetoro as an Indonesian citizen and his religion was listed as Islam. He will spend three years at Franciscus.

 

Oh well TRUMP WILL FIX IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I really hope he wins next year

If you're not trolling, someone needs to smack you with a disco stick.

 

and for fudges sake Yahoo Answers =/= Reliable citation.

OK anwsers probably not 100% reliable, but, I do think it's a tad odd how it took him so long to show it. One would have thought he'd have shown it as soon as questions came up to crush the birthers movement in the bud, it just seems suspect. But, how's this for yahoo sources, what reading this interview by Trump, what he said makes sense. Really makes you wonder about Obama.

 

And he does do stupid stuff, like giving the Queen of England an Ipod...really? Usually it's a gift that shows the power/wealth of your nation or something very nice, not something you grabbed at K-mart

 

Trump interview

@above,source for school thing :From Yahoo Answers:source

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the fact that he actually had to show it is complete bullshizzle, if you can't trust your president to be a natural born us citizien what can you trust

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let's not jump to the island of conclusions, it has to be a fake, why?

 

He's admitted that when he was born, his first name was Barry. During his teen years he changed it to Barrak. Now, if he was born "Barry" why does the certificate say "Barrak" He's had 3 years to forge it, guess they missed the small details.

 

From Yahoo Answers:source

 

Obama's Indonesian schooling began when he was entered into the Roman Catholic, Franciscus Assisi Primary School on January 1, 1968 and sat in class 1B. He was registered under the name Barry Soetoro, serial number 203. School documents listed Barry Soetoro as an Indonesian citizen and his religion was listed as Islam. He will spend three years at Franciscus.

 

Oh well TRUMP WILL FIX IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I really hope he wins next year

If you're not trolling, someone needs to smack you with a disco stick.

 

and for fudges sake Yahoo Answers =/= Reliable citation.

OK anwsers probably not 100% reliable, but, I do think it's a tad odd how it took him so long to show it. One would have thought he'd have shown it as soon as questions came up to crush the birthers movement in the bud, it just seems suspect. But, how's this for yahoo sources, what reading this interview by Trump, what he said makes sense. Really makes you wonder about Obama

 

Trump interview

@above,source for school thing :From Yahoo Answers:source

:D

 

I was hoping you were kidding...

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Another Obama stunt

 

From a respectable news source, Obama/wife was visting Indonesia and she forced the Indo guy to shake her hand even though it's against his religion as the article says. ..

 

One would think you could trust your President to have some class/etiquette. If he doesn't have that, I guess not that big of an imagniation stretch to imply he could be dishonest

 

@above (forgot your name lol)I was raised in a conservative home, went to a conservative private high school, I was raised with a conservative viewpoint, Obama has the exact opposite, so naturally I'm going to disagree with most of his stuff :(

 

Though heck, least we got an OK debate going here now 'cause of it :D

 

But, how do you explain stuff away like the breach of etiquette above or Trump's statements about Obama's Ivy league in that interview? And for all his save the national debt, why have we spent over 500M (was at that last week or so) on cruise missles against Libya? Just so many double standards

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Why does Obama have to jump through all these hoops to prove he was born in America and is a natural born citizen when no other president has had to go through this level of scrutiny concerning their citizenship?

 

I mean I know the answer but I just want to hear it said.

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Why does Obama have to jump through all these hoops to prove he was born in America and is a natural born citizen when no other president has had to go through this level of scrutiny concerning their citizenship?

 

I mean I know the answer but I just want to hear it said.

Cause he isn't white :D

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"Only in the US" comes to mind.

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Why does Obama have to jump through all these hoops to prove he was born in America and is a natural born citizen when no other president has had to go through this level of scrutiny concerning their citizenship?

 

I mean I know the answer but I just want to hear it said.

NO NONE 0 President in the past has had such a vague past with growing up overseas (Lived in Indonesia for awhile. And living with numerous relatives) Wasn't he not raised by his mom or something? then issues such as the whole Pastor fiasco (I remember hearing a sermon by his paster on the radio in which he was blasting whites and cursing them like crazy) that just left me not overly good feeling in regard to him.

 

Past Presidents have had flaws (inb4letsflameBush) but up till now, most Presidents past were all really the same, grew up in a rich well to do family, maybe served in the military, got into polatics, Obama breaks that trend.

 

Cause he isn't white :D

That's why so many white people voted for him?

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The birthers are irrational - this will do little to quiet them.

 

Interestingly John McCain's status under the US Constitution was more problematical in that he was born in the Canal Zone in Panama:

 

McCain’s Canal Zone Birth Prompts Queries About Whether That Rules Him Out

 

By CARL HULSE

WASHINGTON — The question has nagged at the parents of Americans born outside the continental United States for generations: Dare their children aspire to grow up and become president? In the case of Senator John McCain of Arizona, the issue is becoming more than a matter of parental daydreaming.

 

Mr. McCain’s likely nomination as the Republican candidate for president and the happenstance of his birth in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936 are reviving a musty debate that has surfaced periodically since the founders first set quill to parchment and declared that only a “natural-born citizen” can hold the nation’s highest office.

 

Almost since those words were written in 1787 with scant explanation, their precise meaning has been the stuff of confusion, law school review articles, whisper campaigns and civics class debates over whether only those delivered on American soil can be truly natural born. To date, no American to take the presidential oath has had an official birthplace outside the 50 states.

 

“There are powerful arguments that Senator McCain or anyone else in this position is constitutionally qualified, but there is certainly no precedent,” said Sarah H. Duggin, an associate professor of law at Catholic University who has studied the issue extensively. “It is not a slam-dunk situation.”

 

Mr. McCain was born on a military installation in the Canal Zone, where his mother and father, a Navy officer, were stationed. His campaign advisers say they are comfortable that Mr. McCain meets the requirement and note that the question was researched for his first presidential bid in 1999 and reviewed again this time around.

 

But given mounting interest, the campaign recently asked Theodore B. Olson, a former solicitor general now advising Mr. McCain, to prepare a detailed legal analysis. “I don’t have much doubt about it,” said Mr. Olson, who added, though, that he still needed to finish his research.

 

Senator Lindsey Graham, Republican of South Carolina and one of Mr. McCain’s closest allies, said it would be incomprehensible to him if the son of a military member born in a military station could not run for president.

 

“He was posted there on orders from the United States government,” Mr. Graham said of Mr. McCain’s father. “If that becomes a problem, we need to tell every military family that your kid can’t be president if they take an overseas assignment.”

 

The phrase “natural born” was in early drafts of the Constitution. Scholars say notes of the Constitutional Convention give away little of the intent of the framers. Its origin may be traced to a letter from John Jay to George Washington, with Jay suggesting that to prevent foreigners from becoming commander in chief, the Constitution needed to “declare expressly” that only a natural-born citizen could be president.

 

Ms. Duggin and others who have explored the arcane subject in depth say legal argument and basic fairness may indeed be on the side of Mr. McCain, a longtime member of Congress from Arizona. But multiple experts and scholarly reviews say the issue has never been definitively resolved by either Congress or the Supreme Court.

 

Ms. Duggin favors a constitutional amendment to settle the matter. Others have called on Congress to guarantee that Americans born outside the national boundaries can legitimately see themselves as potential contenders for the Oval Office.

 

“They ought to have the same rights,” said Don Nickles, a former Republican senator from Oklahoma who in 2004 introduced legislation that would have established that children born abroad to American citizens could harbor presidential ambitions without a legal cloud over their hopes. “There is some ambiguity because there has never been a court case on what ‘natural-born citizen’ means.”

 

Mr. McCain’s situation is different from those of the current governors of California and Michigan, Arnold Schwarzenegger and Jennifer M. Granholm, who were born in other countries and were first citizens of those nations, rendering them naturalized Americans ineligible under current interpretations. The conflict that could conceivably ensnare Mr. McCain goes more to the interpretation of “natural born” when weighed against intent and decades of immigration law.

 

Mr. McCain is not the first person to find himself in these circumstances. The last Arizona Republican to be a presidential nominee, Barry Goldwater, faced the issue. He was born in the Arizona territory in 1909, three years before it became a state. But Goldwater did not win, and the view at the time was that since he was born in a continental territory that later became a state, he probably met the standard.

 

It also surfaced in the 1968 candidacy of George Romney, who was born in Mexico, but again was not tested. The former Connecticut politician Lowell P. Weicker Jr., born in Paris, sought a legal analysis when considering the presidency, an aide said, and was assured he was eligible. Franklin D. Roosevelt Jr. was once viewed as a potential successor to his father, but was seen by some as ineligible since he had been born on Campobello Island in Canada. The 21st president, Chester A. Arthur, whose birthplace is Vermont, was rumored to have actually been born in Canada, prompting some to question his eligibility.

 

Quickly recognizing confusion over the evolving nature of citizenship, the First Congress in 1790 passed a measure that did define children of citizens “born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States to be natural born.” But that law is still seen as potentially unconstitutional and was overtaken by subsequent legislation that omitted the “natural-born” phrase.

 

Mr. McCain’s citizenship was established by statutes covering the offspring of Americans abroad and laws specific to the Canal Zone as Congress realized that Americans would be living and working in the area for extended periods. But whether he qualifies as natural-born has been a topic of Internet buzz for months, with some declaring him ineligible while others assert that he meets all the basic constitutional qualifications — a natural-born citizen at least 35 years of age with 14 years of residence.

 

“I don’t think he has any problem whatsoever,” said Mr. Nickles, a McCain supporter. “But I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if somebody is going to try to make an issue out of it. If it goes to court, I think he will win.”

 

Lawyers who have examined the topic say there is not just confusion about the provision itself, but uncertainty about who would have the legal standing to challenge a candidate on such grounds, what form a challenge could take and whether it would have to wait until after the election or could be made at any time.

 

In a paper written 20 years ago for the Yale Law Journal on the natural-born enigma, Jill Pryor, now a lawyer in Atlanta, said that any legal challenge to a presidential candidate born outside national boundaries would be “unpredictable and unsatisfactory.”

 

“If I were on the Supreme Court, I would decide for John McCain,” Ms. Pryor said in a recent interview. “But it is certainly not a frivolous issue.”

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^To much to quote in reply :D But, at least he was up front about it. I don't like McCain, no backbone, just one of those who say what people want to hear :( But, his birth wasn't so unclear like Obama's. If you notice, that issue came up/left. Obama's is still going on as he was never upfront about it.

 

Anyway, some anwser me, instead of going "birthers are blah" explain away Trump's logic in that Ivy League interview, or stuff the Obama's do like give the Queen of England an Ipod, or my last link about going against Indonesian custom, and forcing their president to shake their hand. Lastly, I realize the whole church issue has been well discussed, but, still, how can you follow a guy who for years sat their listening to a guy curse whites/non-blacks and was just a screw-ball.

 

IMAGINE, say McCain was a KKK member during the last election, the media would have flamed him SOOOOO badly, it would have been a massacre. Rascit guy running for office blah blah etc. Yet, Obama spends like a 10-20 years listening to the black version of the KKK and people excuse it...I just don't get it. If he didn't agree with the guy, why didn't he leave? Just weird.

 

Also,

 

If Obama Had Kept His Campaign Promises, We Wouldn’t Have a Deficit Today… the president not only pushed for the increased spending but also has fought budget cuts at each step along the way… President Obama is no more willing to cut spending now than when he first became president. He repeatedly promised “a net spending cut” during the 2008 presidential debates and on the campaign trail. And yet federal spending under his watch has soared from 20.9 percent of GDP in 2008 to 24.3 percent in 2011.”

John Lott

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NO NONE 0 President in the past has had such a vague past with growing up overseas (Lived in Indonesia for awhile. And living with numerous relatives) Wasn't he not raised by his mom or something? then issues such as the whole Pastor fiasco (I remember hearing a sermon by his paster on the radio in which he was blasting whites and cursing them like crazy) that just left me not overly good feeling in regard to him.

 

Past Presidents have had flaws (inb4letsflameBush) but up till now, most Presidents past were all really the same, grew up in a rich well to do family, maybe served in the military, got into polatics, Obama breaks that trend.

This is a fascinating post.

 

Living in a different country as a child sure is something, but if anyone had any kind of doubts for whatever reason they should've been dispelled back in 2008. I'll give you that you might have suspicions, even if it's really based on nothing. But at this point there is so much evidence indicating otherwise it's just pretty silly to put your hands over your ears and pretend you aren't listening.

 

It doesn't matter if he wasn't raised by his mom, that's irrelevant.

 

The issue of his pastor could not have less to do with his status as a citizen of the United States, and your sentence in parenthesis about his pastor is pretty racist if you're implying what I think you're implying.

That's why so many white people voted for him?

What are you even going for here?

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To be honest, I don't think Obama should have stooped down to their level in the first place. It's flat out insulting that the birthers think that somehow a candidate went from the primaries all the way to the Oval Office without having one of the primary requirements for being President.
My thoughts are similar.

 

By even responding to these types of conspiracy theory claims, it gives credence to them. When the idiots spew their nonsense, you ignore them and get back to governing and working with the grownups to try to get something done.

 

The new Tea Party Republican meme will be one or all of the following:

- Obama took so long too show the birth cirtificate, it must have been faked.

- Obamas school records MUST be released now to proove he was legititlmy lejitmetly, errr, that he really should have been let in to college.

- Obama is relly a secret muslim and is going to institue She-rah law in the usa. He needs to provide a written note from Jesus H. Christ for us to believe him. And if he does provide a note from Him, we wont beleive it because it will be faked by satan and that muslim guy.

 

It's a classic tale of moving the goal posts: Someone demands crazy. If you actually try to discuss the crazy, it just shifts the conversation so that the crazy is seen as less crazy and appears to be bordering on mainstream. Repeat it enough and people look back decades later and wonder how the hell we let things get to this point.

 

The only reason I can fathom for Obama to release it now is that he's got a plan to make these people look very, very foolish and run with that all the way into election season. Obama has proven to be a smart, capable, and crafty pol.

 

I'll follow my own rules and not reply directly to anything Luftey said.

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The WHOLE basis of my argument is that it's generally agreed that silence=consent/agreement. Thus, 3 years of silence from him, despite this issue of his cert having made it to the federal court system several times (dont have to time to find source, but google it) could easily, and rightly so, make a lot who are into politics have doubts concerning his birth. All of a sudden, him showing it after being silent for so long makes one want to think something isn't right/a lil screwy. Hence, why some still have doubts. I'm going to play the devil's advocate and argue for the conservative side, though, I really don't care, elections next year, to late to change anything now ;p most all politicians stink anyway lol

 

 

@123,

 

You may choose to ignore my posts, that's your right. But, your signature says you are a Fascit. Naturally, we are going to disagree then. Your reasoning that he delayed this long was because of some secret plan sounds just as crazy as the birther conspiracy, tbh. Even it is a load of rubbish, one would think that he'd have squashed it right after the whole issue arose.

To be honest, I don't think Obama should have stooped down to their level in the first place. It's flat out insulting that the birthers think that somehow a candidate went from the primaries all the way to the Oval Office without having one of the primary requirements for being President.
My thoughts are similar.

 

By even responding to these types of conspiracy theory claims, it gives credence to them. When the idiots spew their nonsense, you ignore them and get back to governing and working with the grownups to try to get something done.

 

 

The only reason I can fathom for Obama to release it now is that he's got a plan to make these people look very, very foolish and run with that all the way into election season. Obama has proven to be a smart, capable, and crafty pol.

 

I'll follow my own rules and not reply directly to anything Luftey said.

 

 

You mentioned the Muslim thing, it's a proven fact he went to a Muslim school :D He says he's a Christian...went to a crazy church...I really don't know what to say, imo, he's neither a Muslim or a Christian I'm not sure what to consider him.

 

Also, you said "By even responding to these types of conspiracy theory claims, it gives credence to them. When the idiots spew their nonsense, you ignore them and get back to governing and working with the grownups to try to get something done."

 

Silence=agreement/admittance. At least in a court of law that is. HENCE, why you have people like MYSELF, who seeing his refusal to broach the subject must mean there is some truth to them or else he'd go, "Hey, wait, look at my cert. all you want!! I don't care, everything is in order"

 

And again, despite this conspiracy theory stuff, you still can't get past dumb stuff that he's done like my previous cited examples of the ipod/handshake, that even the worst of our past presidents haven't made that big of a social blunder...Just small little stuff, he's supposed to be a role model for the rest of the nation, perhaps I'm being nitpicky by bringing this up over and over, but small things amount to big things ;p

 

 

 

NO NONE 0 President in the past has had such a vague past with growing up overseas (Lived in Indonesia for awhile. And living with numerous relatives) Wasn't he not raised by his mom or something? then issues such as the whole Pastor fiasco (I remember hearing a sermon by his paster on the radio in which he was blasting whites and cursing them like crazy) that just left me not overly good feeling in regard to him.

 

Past Presidents have had flaws (inb4letsflameBush) but up till now, most Presidents past were all really the same, grew up in a rich well to do family, maybe served in the military, got into polatics, Obama breaks that trend.

This is a fascinating post.

 

Living in a different country as a child sure is something, but if anyone had any kind of doubts for whatever reason they should've been dispelled back in 2008. I'll give you that you might have suspicions, even if it's really based on nothing. But at this point there is so much evidence indicating otherwise it's just pretty silly to put your hands over your ears and pretend you aren't listening.

 

It doesn't matter if he wasn't raised by his mom, that's irrelevant.

 

The issue of his pastor could not have less to do with his status as a citizen of the United States, and your sentence in parenthesis about his pastor is pretty racist if you're implying what I think you're implying.

That's why so many white people voted for him?

What are you even going for here?

Agreed, I don't really care what family member raised him. I am listening, I acknowledge, he probably was born in Hawaii etc. and his cert. is legit. As you said, they should have been dispelled in '08, but they weren't, hence, the turmoil now. With all his moving in the years around his birth, it's easy to jump to the conclusion he may not have been born here. On the surface everything now looks OK and what he said was true, and I should give him the benefit of the doubt. But, my gut feeling is that there is something shady going on, but perhaps I"m wrong ;p

 

About the pastor, YT a clip of his sermons/google it, you'll see what I mean :(

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Luftey, you need to comprehend what you read!

 

your signature says you are a Fascit.
No where in my sig does it say I'm a fascist. Not even close.

 

Your reasoning that he delayed this long was because of some secret plan sounds just as crazy as the birther conspiracy, tbh.
I never claimed he purposely delayed it this long. I was giving a theory as to why he would choose to release it now. Very different.

 

You and the right-wing fringe decided early on that Obama cannot be trusted. So anything he says or does will be met with scorn and talk of lies and treason on the president's part. His birth was questioned. Newspaper announcements were provided and statements from public officials that all birthing documents were legit. Not good enough. Now more is released. Not good enough. You question his intelligence. You question his faith in God. You question and will question everything about him because you hate the man himself. It disgusts me to no end that this crap actually needs to be talked about. It makes a person cynical about where this country is headed and makes it easy to see why other countries look at us and shake their heads.

 

I won't respond directly to the other garbage you're bringing up because this topic is called, "Obama Releases Birth Certificate." So pretty please, with sugar on top, stay on topic.

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