Separate Skill Logs From Other Rs Media.

[Moog]

I think skill logs should be by themselves, instead of in a giant group of sub-forums.

 

I mean, I update my log, and its no longer showing up on the front page within 5 seconds...

 

Please vote in the poll too, nothing happens if no one else supports an amazing idea... :D

[Yuanrang]

 

This is, without a doubt, one of the most useless and selfish suggestions I've read in this section for the past 6 years. You think we should make an entirely new section for skill logs when it clearly falls under the RuneScape Media distinction, just because your log isn't on the frontpage? Oh, I'm sorry, can we possibly make your stay better in anyway? Any posters you dislike, any rules you disagree with? :D

 

If your log isn't getting enough hits, it's not because it's not on the frontpage, it's either because the visitor number to the section is low or it's your own skill log being the problem.

Edited May 11, 2011 by Yuanrang

[Hunter]

There would be no actual point. It falls under said subsection.

 

Edit: Ouch, Yuan :D

Edited May 11, 2011 by Capt Hunter

[Fatalysm]

If you are to think that, what stops someone else from thinking each other forum shouldn't be a sub-forum. Eventually we'd just have an insane list of forums, it's almost tidy at the moment.

 

Though I do rather hate sub-forums, the only other way to help is to cut down the amount but that doesn't seem like it would work there.

[Micael Fatia]

The skill logs section has a "bump feature" available only to the topic owners which allows you to place your topic at the top of the front page without having to double post.

Read this to understand how it works: http://runescape.salmoneus.net/forums/inde...howtopic=246540

And don't forget:

Oh yes, please also only bump when you need to. Do NOT bump everytime your topic gets pushed from the top. That is not fair to others.

 

This is, without a doubt, one of the most useless and selfish suggestions I've read in this section for the past 6 years. You think we should make an entirely new section for skill logs when it clearly falls under the RuneScape Media distinction, just because your log isn't on the frontpage? Oh, I'm sorry, can we possibly make your stay better in anyway? Any posters you dislike, any rules you disagree with? :D

ily :(

[Yuanrang]

This is, without a doubt, one of the most useless and selfish suggestions I've read in this section for the past 6 years. You think we should make an entirely new section for skill logs when it clearly falls under the RuneScape Media distinction, just because your log isn't on the frontpage? Oh, I'm sorry, can we possibly make your stay better in anyway? Any posters you dislike, any rules you disagree with? :D

Well by that logic, RS questions and RS suggestions should both be under RS discussion, since all are discussing Runescape. :3 I don't think we should shut this down right away because it technically falls under another category. Rearranging is always a possibility, if the situation warrants it (Which I'm doubtful if it does. I think skill logs is fine where it is...)

Well, extending that logic, we'd have to merge everything under "Everything RuneScape" into a "RuneScape" forum then since they're all discussing RuneScape, then? :(

 

The truth is, what the OP is doing is to try and get an annoyance of his changed because he craves the attention (and possibly log visits) from being first page material, which he isn't. There are far more well-established and better organized logs that would get that spotlight. Even if you separated the section away from being a subforum, you'd still end up with the fact that other logs would be more posted in because they have a far higher amazing factor. You're more likely to cheer on someone who's been on a 3 year quest to be the best there is, compared to the guy that started 2 weeks ago.

If he wants to be on the front page, it's my view that he need to work on his account ingame and as a result; his log, not come to us and ask for a change that doesn't really make sense.

 

As I see it, it's just a massive waste of time and it's abusing the idea of this forum (feedback and suggestions). I'd have understood it if the Skill Log section was still mixed in with Achievements or something like that, or anything like we had in the old days pre-Archival/restructuring of that section, but for today's standards, it doesn't make sense. It did when the PvPers wanted the PK section rearranged, because that was logical due to PK advice being scattered with logs, making it hard to distinguish the two types, but in this case, there's just one type on a list of clearly understandable subforums. Besides, what makes Skill Logs more important than subforums like Achievements, anyway? There are plenty of other forums that could be rearranged, but that's just a waste of time and energy even looking into, let alone implementing the change, and you know that just as well as me. :P

Edited May 12, 2011 by Yuanrang

[heb0]

Merge all forums into a forum named forum where we can talk about forums.

[Yuanrang]

But the forum is just a part of the site, heb0. See, this is why you're stuck serving drinks in the Mod forum while all the cool kids are discussing important stuff like who we'll randomly ban and which DM's hope and dreams we'll crush when we fool them into thinking they'll get promoted.

 

Nay, I say we need sub-subforums.

[Moog]

I was using my log only as an example.

 

It happens to many other people who want at least a little attention given to their logs.

 

I think a forum with Logs and achievements in it would be good.

 

That way things don't get shoved down too fast.

[Choccy]

I agree with OP, the skill-log section is hidden as a sub forum and it hurts the viewer activity of the forum. It's hidden as a sub-forum, guests always miss it and regular users, like me, forget that exists. This is a real shame because the Skill-log area is actualy quite an active sub-community and could bring great runescape-related interest into this forum that is quite needed.

 

Other forums, such as RunescapeCommunity, have skill-logs(achievements) as a separate forum at the top of their forum list, it's no surprise that it's one of the most active and viewed part of their forum. Sals is one of the only other sites with a thriving skill-log section, imo we should not hide it away in a sub-forum.

 

As for the intention of the OP, I feel the criticism is slightly unjust, perhaps he wishes to see a part of the forum become more active. I share his views and I'm no longer active in the log forums, but when I was I had a 140 page 120,000 views log, so from my personal experience I support him.

Edited May 12, 2011 by Choccy

[Fatalysm]

I think it's unreasonable to presume that one section that holds the same activity as other forums in that same area should hold a preference. I don't think logs get enough attention but simply giving them their own area rather than a sub-forum is not the way to solve the problem. If that happened, there is no reason why any of the other forums shouldn't have the same treatment. Eventually the runescape section would be 3 pages along and we'd be suggesting that the category be cut down again, which means either merging forums together or creating sub-forums. Aka, working full cycle until we have what we already have.

 

Perhaps skill logs shouldn't be treated as a forum, and perhaps worked into something different like the hi-scores is. If it needs more attention, I don't think it's workable where it is anyway. Perhaps it could be a part of your profile or something. Either that or move it to your blogs, people who are interested will actually visit your blog instead, it's helpful and convenient inside the blog area. To be honest, the whole runescape media area could be changed to something more interactive for people on the website/forum. But that's where your ideas come in I guess.

[Hunter]

Cool Log > Attention

Crap Log > Who the fudge are you

 

Simple as.

[Choccy]

Skill logs+achievements = (replies) Runescape general discussion, PVP tips and kills, Runescape events, Runescape updates, Runescape marketplace and Runewise COMBINED.

 

I think it says something when 2 sub-forums have more replies than 7 main forums combined, it deserves it's own place as a forum and shouldn't be hidden away.

[Conspicuous]

I'm fine with the way it is, and if your log isn't getting views that means

a) It's not well made

b) your doing something wrong

[Moog]

I'm fine with the way it is, and if your log isn't getting views that means

a) It's not well made

b) your doing something wrong

 

This isn't about the views, it is about the fact it is a wonderful place in this forum, and it deserves to be on its own.

[Kemosabe]

I'm fine with the way it is, and if your log isn't getting views that means

a) It's not well made

b) your doing something wrong

No. The entire way the posting system in the Skill Logs section works is completely based on popularity. If you're well known in the CC and/or have lots of friends from Sal's, your log will be active.

 

The only time that a skill log gets posts when it is well made is if it is extremely well made, and then it just becomes popular and gets posts because people know the guy (a good example of this would be Eval Riz).

 

 

I say we split the section anyway, it's the most active RuneScape based part of these forums.

[Moog]

I'm fine with the way it is, and if your log isn't getting views that means

a) It's not well made

b) your doing something wrong

No. The entire way the posting system in the Skill Logs section works is completely based on popularity. If you're well known in the CC and/or have lots of friends from Sal's, your log will be active.

 

The only time that a skill log gets posts when it is well made is if it is extremely well made, and then it just becomes popular and gets posts because people know the guy (a good example of this would be Eval Riz).

 

 

I say we split the section anyway, it's the most active RuneScape based part of these forums.

 

That is why skill logs should have their own forum, so they get a bit more attention.

[Yoyoma]

:D Yuanrang be raging!

 

I don't have any problem with it. Although Skill Logs is undoubtedly one of the most viewed forums (aside from 'Scape Lounge) along with RuneScape questions, I don't believe that moving Skill Logs to its own would benefit the community in any way. It’s relatively simple to get to Skill Logs (I just click the skill logs sub-forum under RuneScape Media), and moving it to its own forum would not make it any simpler.

 

To all (read Yuanrang):

It’s not necessarily that Zar0s just wants more views. I think that he’s honestly making a suggestion that he thinks would benefit the community. There’s no need to criticize him for that. (No offense)

 

In all honesty, if we move Skill Logs, then how could we have an organization forum at all? Skill Logs are an essential part of RuneScape media. Would we then move the RuneScape questions forum to its own section? Would we move Fun&Games to its own forum because it gets a lot of traffic? No. If we moved Skill Logs out of RuneScape Media, then our whole organization system would be well an truly......screwed up.

 

~Yoyoma

[Choccy]

:D Yuanrang be raging!

 

I don't have any problem with it. Although Skill Logs is undoubtedly one of the most viewed forums (aside from 'Scape Lounge) along with RuneScape questions, I don't believe that moving Skill Logs to its own would benefit the community in any way. It’s relatively simple to get to Skill Logs (I just click the skill logs sub-forum under RuneScape Media), and moving it to its own forum would not make it any simpler.

 

To all (read Yuanrang):

It’s not necessarily that Zar0s just wants more views. I think that he’s honestly making a suggestion that he thinks would benefit the community. There’s no need to criticize him for that. (No offense)

 

In all honesty, if we move Skill Logs, then how could we have an organization forum at all? Skill Logs are an essential part of RuneScape media. Would we then move the RuneScape questions forum to its own section? Would we move Fun&Games to its own forum because it gets a lot of traffic? No. If we moved Skill Logs out of RuneScape Media, then our whole organization system would be well an truly......screwed up.

 

~Yoyoma

 

We could simply do what RC does, an achievements forum which has skill logs and achievements as a sub forum of that, and a photo's forum with screenshots and fakes. It's easy to click on skill-logs, however, it is the lack of visibility that makes it hidden to guests and normal users which is unfortunate considering it's the most popular runescape section by far.

Edited May 13, 2011 by Choccy

[Jethraw]

In all honesty, if we move Skill Logs, then how could we have an organization forum at all? Skill Logs are an essential part of RuneScape media. Would we then move the RuneScape questions forum to its own section? Would we move Fun&Games to its own forum because it gets a lot of traffic? No. If we moved Skill Logs out of RuneScape Media, then our whole organization system would be well an truly......screwed up.

 

I don't think the unions would be in campaigning for sub-forum equality though.

If one sub-forum garners enough traffic to warrant it's own section, then why not?

 

There's no reason to follow the logic that if you do it to one you have to do it to all, though, if there are cases of others getting plenty of activity too, then why not?

I don't feel that certain sub-forums should be hidden, or more difficult to find, as that could be deterring them from getting even more attention, and potentially fixing the popularity problem as mentioned above.

[Easl]

Why not remove/make the clan section a subsection of pvp if everyone's worried about it being cluttered, it's not like anyone uses it :D

[Micael Fatia]

Why not remove/make the clan section a subsection of pvp if everyone's worried about it being cluttered, it's not like anyone uses it :D

The clan section was like 2x more active than the skill logs section is right now back when we had clans posting here.

It's still possible to bring that activity back and I still haven't given up.

[Yero2000]

Why not remove/make the clan section a subsection of pvp if everyone's worried about it being cluttered, it's not like anyone uses it :(

 

Because there are plenty of clans that aren't PvP related? :D

[Yoyoma]

We could simply do what RC does

RC?

 

if everyone's worried about it being cluttered, it's not like anyone uses it

:D Boo Hoo

Edited May 13, 2011 by Yoyoma

[Easl]

Why not remove/make the clan section a subsection of pvp if everyone's worried about it being cluttered, it's not like anyone uses it :(

The clan section was like 2x more active than the skill logs section is right now back when we had clans posting here.

It's still possible to bring that activity back and I still haven't given up.

 

I wasn't being completely serious, I would like to see some activity bought back there :D