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Apparently the police have shot dead a man. That sparked a massive riot in London (England). Tottenham is burning at the moment.

 

Tottenham in flames as riot follows protest

 

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Two police cars, a bus and ­several shops were attacked and set ablaze in north London on Saturday night as violence erupted following a protest demanding "justice" over a fatal police shooting.

 

Officers on horseback and others in riot gear clashed with hundreds of ­rioters armed with makeshift missiles in the centre of Tottenham after Mark Duggan, 29, a father of four, was killed on Thursday.

 

At one point, rioters broke through police ranks and attempted to storm Tottenham's police station, pelting officers with bricks, bottles and eggs. As a police helicopter flew over Tottenham High Road, youths in masks and hoods added combustible material to two burned out police cars, included a bundle of documents and an awning ripped down from one of the shops. Some attempted to persuade the rioters to disperse, one young man shouting: "Go home now people."

 

But others filled bottles with petrol to throw at the police lines. Many lined up with makeshift weapons including metal bars and baseball bats to confront the line of police, but others seemed more interested in looting. At one stage a safe was dragged out of a book­makers, while others were seen with a television set and an electric guitar. Several arrived with shopping trollies to take away what they had stolen.

 

"It wasn't like this before," said one woman standing close to one of the two burned-out police cars. "It started out as a peaceful demonstration. The police shot a guy here last week and they lied about what happened. They said he pulled a gun but he wouldn't have done that with armed police. They shot him so badly that his mother could not recognise him."

 

A Metropolitan police spokesman said the trouble began when missiles were thrown at parked patrol cars at 8.30pm. He said one was pushed, blazing, into the middle of Tottenham High Road. Neither of the two officers who had been driving the cars was injured.

 

As violence spread, a double-decker bus was set upon. Witnesses said the vehicle exploded in flames after attackers threw homemade bombs through its windows. Nearby shops were also set ablaze.

 

Most of the crowd consisted of onlookers, who jeered at police vans as they arrived. There were chants of "we want answers" and "whose streets? Our streets".

 

Officers from the Territorial Support Group charged at rioters and attempted to block off side streets. Riot police, some with dogs, shepherded people away.

 

Police on horseback also attended the scene, along with reinforcements from the City of London police. A police helicopter hovered above.

 

Hails of bottles and bricks were intermittently thrown at police from side streets as reinforcements arrived. Rioters also aimed fireworks at police. At one stage, four firework rockets were shot at a line of horses, prompting a charge and a nearby crowd to disperse in panic.

 

Hundreds of residents gathered to watch the unrest and there several were reports of attacks on bystanders. At one point rioters were seen beating up a man attempting to take film footage of the scene.

 

Local resident David Akinsanya, 46, said several shop windows had been smashed. "It's really bad," he said. "There are two police cars on fire. I'm feeling unsafe. It looks like it's going to get very tasty. I saw a guy getting attacked." Maria Robinson, another resident, told the BBC: "The police seem very frightened at the moment, people are unstoppable. They've broken into various businesses, jewellery shops, bookies, it's absolutely crazy. They've beaten up a man for talking to the fire brigade."

 

Attempts by police to gain some control succeeded by 11.30pm, as they cleared an area of the street with the worst fires, allowing two fire engines onto the street.

 

Twitter was abuzz on Saturday night with messages of support and condemnation.

 

A police source said acting Met police commissioner, Tim Godwin, was being kept informed of events.

 

Met police commander Stephen Watson said the situation was "complex and dynamic". He told Sky News the setting up of the Gold command structure earlier in the evening – a response to major public order events - was a routine contingency plan.

 

Although the police were aware of increased tensions in the area since the death of Duggan, Watson said they had no warning that a riot would break out.

 

Police were unable to confirm whether the violence was connected to outrage over the death of Duggan, 29, who was shot in a police anti-firearms operation in Tottenham.

 

The violence broke out at dusk after about 120 people marched on Tottenham police station to express anger over the death of Duggan. The protesters had begun their march in the Broadwater Farm area, the scene of riots in 1985 in which a police constable, Keith Blakelock, was killed by attackers wielding knives and machetes.

 

A family friend of Duggan, who gave her name as Nikki, said that the dead man's friends and relatives had organised the protest to demand "justice for the family".

 

"They're making their presence known because people are not happy," she said. "This guy was not violent. Yes, he was involved in things, but he was not an aggressive person."

 

It was revealed on Saturday that ­Duggan had been shot in an exchange of fire after the police's Trident unit, which deals with gun crime, stopped the vehicle he was travelling in. A police officer was said to have escaped injury in the shootout when a bullet lodged in his radio.

 

Mayor Boris Johnson said where there were real concerns in the community it was right there was a proper investigation and that the IPCC was looking into Duggan's death. "The violence to property will do nothing to facilitate that investigation," the mayor said.

 

David Lammy, the local MP, called for calm on Saturday night, saying the community was anxious. The Independent Police Complaints Commission rushed out a statement in an attempt to appease the anger saying it is in close contact with the Duggan family and will have further meetings with them on Sunday.

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This was over the police shooting an individual?

 

A bit extreme no? Bring the officer to justice but don't burn down cities.

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I was going to post a thread, then i realized i didn't have much of a clue what was actually going on. I think this explains what this area is like - no communication between the community and the police and constant problems.

 

Of course, the police will never declare it as a riot, because that would mean that they would foot the bill instead of the insurance companies.

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They said he pulled a gun but he wouldn't have done that with armed police.

 

so he'd pull a gun on unarmed police??

 

 

i don't see why they have to destroy the city, and people looting as well, dah fudge

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Ha, i would guess it's a police helicopter. Surprised there's only one though, there were at least seven in London on the 26th March demo...

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This was over the police shooting an individual?

 

A bit extreme no? Bring the officer to justice but don't burn down cities.

I'm not too familiar on the story, but from what I read it looks like the police officer made the mistake of killing the man and then the police lied about it to cover it up.

If so, good on the rioters for taking a stand.

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This was over the police shooting an individual?

 

A bit extreme no? Bring the officer to justice but don't burn down cities.

I'm not too familiar on the story, but from what I read it looks like the police officer made the mistake of killing the man and then the police lied about it to cover it up.

If so, good on the rioters for taking a stand.

 

Idk still comes off a bit much to me but honestly I can't remember the last time the US had riots where shizzle was set on fire.

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Although to be fair you do have a hell of a lot more gun crime, which is kind of what started this all out. Read up on Operation Trident and tell me that it's not racist.

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Although to be fair you do have a hell of a lot more gun crime, which is kind of what started this all out. Read up on Operation Trident and tell me that it's not racist.

 

I'll give you that but you do have to admit a riot over something where all the facts aren't laid out is a tad extreme I understand protesting but isn't the only evidence against the officer so far hear say?

 

I'm not saying he didn't do it but no one benefits from this. The whole situation just got out of control.

 

Good luck though and hopefully everything works out well. I just hope there are no deaths due to this that would be a huge slap in the face.

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Why are you looking for a reason for rioting? A riot happens when a bunch of people are pissed off and then something sparks them to go crazy. It can be a non-guilty charge on somebody who is obviously did it or the cost of food. Heck, it can be Christmas Shopping at Walmart. One reason is as good as the next.

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Although to be fair you do have a hell of a lot more gun crime, which is kind of what started this all out. Read up on Operation Trident and tell me that it's not racist.

 

I'll give you that but you do have to admit a riot over something where all the facts aren't laid out is a tad extreme I understand protesting but isn't the only evidence against the officer so far hear say?

 

I'm not saying he didn't do it but no one benefits from this. The whole situation just got out of control.

 

Good luck though and hopefully everything works out well. I just hope there are no deaths due to this that would be a huge slap in the face.

Reading Merch's article, it was a peaceful protest asking for answers until:

An eye-witness told BBC News that a 16 year old girl approached a line of officers, angrily demanding that someone come out to communicate with them. She was apparently hit with a baton and that was the final straw for onlookers. Two empty police cars were surrounded, set alight and pushed out into the centre of the street. Within minutes, wholesale violence had erupted.

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Although to be fair you do have a hell of a lot more gun crime, which is kind of what started this all out. Read up on Operation Trident and tell me that it's not racist.

 

I'll give you that but you do have to admit a riot over something where all the facts aren't laid out is a tad extreme I understand protesting but isn't the only evidence against the officer so far hear say?

 

I'm not saying he didn't do it but no one benefits from this. The whole situation just got out of control.

 

Good luck though and hopefully everything works out well. I just hope there are no deaths due to this that would be a huge slap in the face.

Reading Merch's article, it was a peaceful protest asking for answers until:

An eye-witness told BBC News that a 16 year old girl approached a line of officers, angrily demanding that someone come out to communicate with them. She was apparently hit with a baton and that was the final straw for onlookers. Two empty police cars were surrounded, set alight and pushed out into the centre of the street. Within minutes, wholesale violence had erupted.

 

Ah I see now.

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Me pretending to be a journalist . Yep, I wrote an article about it.

 

That was actually written really well :( .

 

Attacking onlookers or the media is totally out of order and hope all those responsible for arson and attacks are found and held responsible. It seems that riots don't actually help any cause and actually the point of the riot is missed as a result, although I do hope that the police realize the lack of communication is an issue and start to get involved with the community. Do you know if anybody was seriously injured?

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Some man who was involved in gang related activities was being followed by armed police, when they stopped him he shot one of the officers with his gun, however it hit his radio saving him. In retaliation the police shot him dead. Considering the area it is, people just used this as an excuse to riot and loot. Due to human right groups,over senstive people and one of incidents all the police can do to stop rioting is just watch. Therefore people have no fear of police and continue rioting.

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Some man who was involved in gang related activities was being followed by armed police, when they stopped him he shot one of the officers with his gun, however it hit his radio saving him. In retaliation the police shot him dead. Considering the area it is, people just used this as an excuse to riot and loot. Due to human right groups,over senstive people and one of incidents all the police can do to stop rioting is just watch. Therefore people have no fear of police and continue rioting.

 

That's one side of the story. Nobody has the full picture, hence why nobody is quick to jump to conclusions.

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Some man who was involved in gang related activities was being followed by armed police, when they stopped him he shot one of the officers with his gun, however it hit his radio saving him. In retaliation the police shot him dead. Considering the area it is, people just used this as an excuse to riot and loot. Due to human right groups,over senstive people and one of incidents all the police can do to stop rioting is just watch. Therefore people have no fear of police and continue rioting.

 

That's one side of the story. Nobody has the full picture, hence why nobody is quick to jump to conclusions.

 

True, but if the man had a gun then the police are allowed to bring him down even if he didn't fire first.

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Certain conspiracy theorists seem to be saying that the police may have lied about the whole thing and shot the radio afterwards to cover their tracks. With the MET's track record of late i wouldn't be completely surprised tbh...

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Certain conspiracy theorists seem to be saying that the police may have lied about the whole thing and shot the radio afterwards to cover their tracks. With the MET's track record of late i wouldn't be completely surprised tbh...

 

Thats too sinster for the MET, or I would like to think so with the recent scandals

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Some man who was involved in gang related activities was being followed by armed police, when they stopped him he shot one of the officers with his gun, however it hit his radio saving him. In retaliation the police shot him dead. Considering the area it is, people just used this as an excuse to riot and loot. Due to human right groups,over senstive people and one of incidents all the police can do to stop rioting is just watch. Therefore people have no fear of police and continue rioting.

 

That's one side of the story. Nobody has the full picture, hence why nobody is quick to jump to conclusions.

 

True, but if the man had a gun then the police are allowed to bring him down even if he didn't fire first.

This

 

No idea how it is in london, but most police in the USA have a common law for thethal force, If you have a reason, pull your gun, if you have the need to pull your gun, you shoot to kill. There is no gray area there, if you have to pull your gun for some reason, you are not shooting to injure, your shooting to kill. Bfore anyone says "thats not how it is in my area" it is, my source is a police lieutenant for our local force, he happens to be a good friends dad

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Me pretending to be a journalist . Yep, I wrote an article about it.

 

That was actually written really well :( .

 

Attacking onlookers or the media is totally out of order and hope all those responsible for arson and attacks are found and held responsible. It seems that riots don't actually help any cause and actually the point of the riot is missed as a result, although I do hope that the police realize the lack of communication is an issue and start to get involved with the community. Do you know if anybody was seriously injured?

 

Thank you very much. <3

 

People injured but no-one killed, as far as I know.

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Some man who was involved in gang related activities was being followed by armed police, when they stopped him he shot one of the officers with his gun, however it hit his radio saving him. In retaliation the police shot him dead. Considering the area it is, people just used this as an excuse to riot and loot. Due to human right groups,over senstive people and one of incidents all the police can do to stop rioting is just watch. Therefore people have no fear of police and continue rioting.

 

That's one side of the story. Nobody has the full picture, hence why nobody is quick to jump to conclusions.

 

True, but if the man had a gun then the police are allowed to bring him down even if he didn't fire first.

This

 

No idea how it is in london, but most police in the USA have a common law for thethal force, If you have a reason, pull your gun, if you have the need to pull your gun, you shoot to kill. There is no gray area there, if you have to pull your gun for some reason, you are not shooting to injure, your shooting to kill. Bfore anyone says "thats not how it is in my area" it is, my source is a police lieutenant for our local force, he happens to be a good friends dad

It isn't always shoot to kill. I think it depends on the circumstances.

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