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Army can't deal with this sort of thing. They're trained for war. Police are trained to deal with disturbances.

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Oh man, this is just like the LA Riots in 1992.

 

I wonder how long it'll be until the military gets involved.

They won't for a while

 

Our politicians don't have the balls to do it. If they do, they'll be viewed as incredibly hypocritical because they frown upon it elsewhere.. but I hope they do :(

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Army can't deal with this sort of thing. They're trained for war. Police are trained to deal with disturbances.

Clearly you know little. The USMC was called in to end the LA Riots, the same can be done for London.

 

Oh man, this is just like the LA Riots in 1992.

 

I wonder how long it'll be until the military gets involved.

They won't for a while

 

Our politicians don't have the balls to do it. If they do, they'll be viewed as incredibly hypocritical because they frown upon it elsewhere.. but I hope they do :(

Well, whoever does criticize the British government for bringing troops out on the streets is an idiot. Unlike Syria and Libya, the UK is not a tyrranical police state that murders and tortures its own people. These rioters aren't fighting for freedom, they're just stupid teenagers with nothing better to do.

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I hate the idea of waging war on our own counrtymen.

 

A whole bunch of my friends are in a pub, the landlord has locked the doors and they can hear the mob outside. This is terrifying.

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Just got off the phone to some friends in London and Birmingham and they are all good, but the one in Birmingham is going into town with some other mates from WWP and going to try and see how they can help stop it.

 

If it somehow makes it to Nottingham then I will be there between the rioters and the shops. I cannot see how you are meant to help your community by turning it into a pile of rubble.

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Hearing MASSIVELY conflicting news RE: hospital so please don’t take anything as gospel until we get some evidence!

 

thepoetmagi asked: Sorry I pressed the submit button. I dont know what to do on this.

The Childrens hospital has been hit. Rioters were smashing windows and attempted to bomb steelhouse lane police station. My friends mum was there and was escorted out of the hospital by police. I assume other people were too!! :D

 

arsesoftumblr asked: 99% sure on the children's hospital being smashed up. About 5 people who are in the city have said the same to me.

 

Thanks for the information… will publish.

 

mantledoh asked: As someone with a wife/kid at the childrens hospital, can you try to point out that people aren't out to attack the hospital (at a guesS) as DIRECTLY OPPOSITE lies the city centre police station. That is presumably why they are heading there, and that's why the police are blocking that area. I guess. Still a point worth putting out there. Hospital is in lockdown, for the same reason - police station opposite

 

Absolutely worth pointing out mate.

 

D:.

 

(I realise I might be getting spammy with posts now (sorry))

 

edit:

 

Birmingham is going into town with some other mates from WWP and going to try and see how they can help stop it.

 

the police have actually asked all members of the public to get off the streets (BBC News) so is probably for the best they don't. Lets face it if the Police see them in a fight with another member they're just going to break it up (probably with violence). Just stay safe :(.

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This sickens me. This country is far too soft, and I dare say most will get away with little punishment. We don't have the space or money to imprison them so they'll go free.

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It''s not the usmc though, and it:s not LA.

But clearly action needs to be taken and the police isn't effective (aren't british cops unarmed? lololololol). I'm not talking about bringing tanks out on the streets, but soldiers should be deployed to protect places like that hospital.

 

But I guess this is what you get with a country that treats its criminals so mildly.

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It''s not the usmc though, and it:s not LA.

 

Are your police not trained for riots?

 

Sometimes when things get bad the best approach is to arm the officers with some riot shields and tasers and push the rioters out of the affected areas.

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redkeys asked: ITV just tweeted the following

 

Lots asking about Birmingham Children's Hospital rumours - just spoken to them they've had "no trouble - all is safe & quiet"

 

@ITVCentral

 

It appears the hospital is okay for now.

 

That is good news.

 

Alright so it was all rumour about the childrens hospital it seems that they were headed to the police station which is opposite the childrens hospital. Thank god but I bet it was scary for those inside. :D.

 

edit: One of my sisters friends has been punched in the face when leaving the shop she worked at in Birmingham, ugh I actually am speechless as to how I feel towards these mindless yobs.

 

EDIT again (pointless making new posts): Apparently the reports of nearby towns getting looted are BS. I trust too many unreliable sources, then again I wouldn't put it past some of the people round here to start one.

 

Also @Hebo I know :(

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I've been watching the coverage on BBC for about two hours now.

 

This is plain sick and disgusting. This is exactly how I felt about the Vancouver riots, but magnified by so much. The original protest had a message, a meaning. These rioters have degraded it all in the name of mindless violence and an opportunity to go crazy.

 

There doesn't seem to be any explanation or reason or motivation coming from the direction of the rioters, but you have to agree - you can kind of understand the events leading up to it.

 

That statement is... I dunno. I think what you said has a lot of meaning to it. I bet a lot of people are feeling on the edge. Times are tough, right? But that's no excuse to do idiotic things of this proportion. Rioting, arson, committing crimes isn't going to solve the problems of this modern world. :(

 

If anyone has family, friends, or are themselves near the uproar... stay safe. :D

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Hollister (one of our nicest looking shops) has been looted.

Aw shizzle they got Hollister. :(

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Not sure how effective the police tactics are. When I was in Croydon a bit earlier there was a very heavy police presece along the high street which they had completely blockaded, but everywhere else police seemed very dispersed, mostly in cars and vans instead of on foot, and there were major problems in West Croydon; anyone watching BBC news will have seen the flames at Reeve's Corner. It's pretty grim, just need to hope everyone makes it through alive.

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couple of hundred idiots massing where I live. They've sealed off the town centre and shut down everything around us.

 

5 hours ago there wasn't even anything happening in West London >_>

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http://ealing.ealinggazette.co.uk/2011/08/ealing-broadway-closed-down-as.html

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Not sure how effective the police tactics are. When I was in Croydon a bit earlier there was a very heavy police presece along the high street which they had completely blockaded, but everywhere else police seemed very dispersed, mostly in cars and vans instead of on foot, and there were major problems in West Croydon; anyone watching BBC news will have seen the flames at Reeve's Corner. It's pretty grim, just need to hope everyone makes it through alive.

 

 

couple of hundred idiots massing where I live. They've sealed off the town centre and shut down everything around us.

 

5 hours ago there wasn't even anything happening in West London >_>

 

Stay safe guys :(.

 

The country needs more guns.

 

I'd like to see looters rob a store while being shot at.

 

And wouldn't that just mean that the rioters would have guns too? Guns are more trouble than they're worth imo, afterall this whole thing was sparked because of guns.

 

edit: serious respect for the brave people of the emergency services and people caught up in this. Just been on BBC news that in one area of London police were outnumbered about 20 officers to 200 rioters. :D

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The country needs more guns.

 

I'd like to see looters rob a store while being shot at.

& you would have a blood bath - looters dying for petty crimes, innocent people being killed in crossfire, rioters using guns...

 

Just like to point there have been no deaths so far despite riots all across london for 3 days, I'd like to see the same with relaxed gun laws.

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Skimmed the thread and didn't see these posted, apologies if they have been. This is some pretty fearless journalism.

 

I'm not suprised by the idiocity of some of the people in this country that things have escalated this far. It looked like it was gunna all kick off in Chapeltown earlier in Leeds but I think it didn't go very far. I haven't heard much else but it seems Leeds has somehow avoided joining in.

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you know it's bad when your Town Centre is being featured on BBC News >_>

 

friends car is burnt out :(

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"I'm getting my taxes back"

 

Made me rage so badly.

 

It’s easy to dismiss the rioters as “scum with nothing better to do” but there are much deeper problems here. As a young, male, ethnic minority in the inner city myself, chances are, I probably know some of these people. I can relate to the feelings of helplessness. I’ve been fortunate enough to be successful as a musician myself and been able to create my own positive future, but these kids rioting don’t see themselves having a future at all. They have been failed by society as a whole, they’ve been failed by the government cutting arts funding and closing youth centres, unemployment is rife to the point where even the ones desperately trying to seek work simply can’t find it, and the boiling point to all this (Mark Duggan events) is a situation that is VERY REAL. I myself have been stopped and searched many times by police for no given reason. They raided my apartment at 6.30 in the morning once while my wife and I were asleep claiming they’d had reports of a disturbance. I’ve been questioned for gang activity that I had no part of, because of how I look and where I come from. It’s simple racial profiling, and whilst that is NOT an excuse for the behaviours of rioters, the sad fact is that it happens.

 

We live in pretty desperate times as a whole, and the inner city youth are at the bottom of the barrel. So whilst this behaviour IS disgusting, try and have some compassion and relate to fellow human beings who literally feel hopeless and don’t see a way out. When you think about, the right emotion to feel in some of the cases is just sadness and pity - kids robbing a flat screen TV when they see an opportunity to… because they know they’ll never be able to afford it. Is a kid robbing some trainers that different to a corrupt politician fiddling the expenses accounts, or corrupt policemen and journalists taking bribes (as we’ve seen in the phone-hacking scandals?). So what kind of example are those people setting?

 

Remember, most of these kids looting ARE just opportunists. It’s only the really violent ones smashing the windows, the rest just go in after them and take what they can. I have faith in humanity and I don’t think that most of these kids are bad people. I really don’t. They are the lost ones, neglected and marginalized, in many cases without the basic education to understand that there are better ways to go about life.

 

You don’t have to condone their actions to have some compassion and to ask yourself, is there anything I can do to help? Even if there isn’t - ranting and dismissing them as animals isn’t going to help. The latter is precisely why many of them act the way they do. I’m not saying you can’t be angry at what they’ve done…but I think we all owe each other a few minutes thought at exactly why things like this happen.

 

Just my own personal thoughts and opinions. You don’t have to agree, but hopefully you can respect them and my right to have them.

 

That Tumblr guys opinion on why it's happening.

 

 

 

My god look at the fires. :|

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Apparantly they've burnt down a greggs. I didn't think they did greggs in the south.

 

Savages

 

i lol'd

 

Well

Clapham is destroyed, Lewisham, Ealing, Tottenham, Croydon, Birmingham :D

Hopefully my dad's shop doesn't get affected by this, it's near lewisham :(

EDIT:

forgot about hackney

EDIT EDIT:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5DmFk63V64

 

inspiring

Edited by Conspicuous

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Skimmed the thread and didn't see these posted, apologies if they have been. This is some pretty fearless journalism.

 

I'm not suprised by the idiocity of some of the people in this country that things have escalated this far. It looked like it was gunna all kick off in Chapeltown earlier in Leeds but I think it didn't go very far. I haven't heard much else but it seems Leeds has somehow avoided joining in.

Great video's, got myself into an argument with like 4 youtube racits, I forgot how fun that is.

 

As for Chapel town (about 5 minutes away from where I live) there has been a loads of gang violence here. Just yesterday a man got shot in the head 2 streets from my friends house, who I was at, and that night I walked home which I now realise was pretty dangerous.

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