Roleplay Room Discussion Thread

[Yuanrang 410]

That's the gist of it, but I'm less inclined to start one in the Lounge and I feel others are as well. The only way I see roleplays even remotely working in the 'Lounge would be to either pin topics or have an entirely separate subforum within it, which we've all but agreed is impossible.

I have absolutely no idea where you got that. I said we (the Staff) was unwilling to have a subforum purely for roleplaying threads only. I have no problems with us finding alternate solutions like having a pinned thread or a rearrangement of the Scape Lounge, I have mentioned as much several times. Could we fit RP topics in the Scape Lounge? Yup, we could hypotethically do that, but we would probably stow away other things in there as well like Mafia games and other similar topics. It would not be an RP section per say.

Also, note that this is just something I am open to discuss and consider. It has absolutely not been discussed in any way to do something like that, it is just something I am willing to support if we can do it in a flexible, orderly and helpful way for everyone. Considering both Samsara and Lilshu has been very open to the idea of making sure that we could smoothen things out, I think you would not find the Staff as a whole disagreeable to such outcomes if we get a chance to discuss that properly and make it right. As a general approach, we tend to favour minor steps first though, so exploring pinned topic options would be a likely step. If there is further need of it, I do not see us alien to discussing and plotting out a subforum if it is justifiable.

 

Again though, to get to that point, we need feedback about stuff like that. We have no problems with coming up with a way ourselves, but if the Staff comes up with a solution all by themselves, there is an increased chance that you (the roleplaying community) might dislike it. If you want a change you can live with, and eventually like, then you need to constructively involve yourself instead of taking a pacifist and resignated approach. If you genuinely want a roleplay to start, then be a part of starting one or participate in one that someone else start, I am pretty sure the reason for why someone have not started one in the past months have not been because they have been located in the Lounge. Perhaps it would be more efficient to combat the reason for why they were not started in the Library first.

 

Edit: and yeah the exclusivity was kind of nice to have.

That has basically turned you into the forum equivalent of a grocery store hiring nothing but applicants that has a PhD in Business and/or Marketing.

[Torn 3]

Well I've been away from a computer and this topic has exploded since I was last on... wow.

 

Anyway, notably, I'm taking an interesting stance and partially agreeing with Yuan here. His use of my quote a while back brought this topic back to my attention, and the concept of 'publicising' the RP Room is one I have great interest in. However, I am not on board with the placement of all the RP Threads and such into the 'Scape Lounge. Many reasons have already been used and driven into the ground, so I'm not going to bring those up, and although many have an attachment to old threads, to be honest I never really went back to read them unless I was searching for creative ideas or fact checking for a current run-on of a previous RP. The loss of the old RPs in the 'Scape Lounge is regrettable but not entirely wasteful. So long as the threads still exist, we can always search titles to dig them back up (I will state here that I am completely and utterly against the concept of deleting the old RPs, despite my infrequent use of them. It's like trying to destroy the Pyramids of Giza because nobody uses them and they are wasting space [subtract the tourist attraction part from the equation and they are effectively the same concept]).

 

More in line with the current flow of conversation, the separate Library and the exclusivity that offers is both beneficial and negative.

• It offers a place for people to go who are serious about roleplaying. There is nothing I hate more, than when someone submits and application in every RP possible, posts 5 or 6 times and then never comes back. I understand if someone who is new to the room makes a character for the most appealing looking RP (to them), then decides that RPing is not for them. If they inform the GM of this and then withdraw that's even better. I have a feeling that in the 'Scape Lounge, we will experience far more of the first kind of people, than the second kind.
  
• In line with the above point, it also means less completely inexperienced players attempting to create their own RP, without first experiencing a 'proper' RP, run by someone with a few RPs already under their belt. I'm not being negative towards newbies making RPs, in fact that's one of the main reasons I agree with Yuan about publicising the RP Room (new people and ideas). I do however have a problem with someone posting an RP that consists of: be whoever you want, do whatever you want, kill whoever you want, little to no story line and a poorly designed setting. These RPs are not useful and literally waste space on the internet. Unless you're into that kind of thing... in which case... you're weird.
  
• It takes the away the openness of the room. It's hard to get into RPing when everyone around you is posting huge blocks of text and you don't know what you're doing or what you're supposed to say and/or type. The Guide to RPing topic helps ease new RPers into the Room, but it's not enough to prepare them for a real RP. When you have such a huge experience gap between potential new RPers and the current ones, it's never going to be a recipe for success. The 'Scape Lounge however, offers such a huge potential pool of people from which to draw those interested in RPing into the RPs, that it would certainly defeat this exclusivity negative.
  

They are probably my main concerns with the RP Room itself. You guys make a point when you say (to quote reepicheep),

But what point is exclusivity if it leads to your ultimate demise? I mean, I'm not trying to be negative but there hasn't been a new RPer in months

 

The point of exclusivity is that RPing has a home. I certainly agree with Leo when he says,

Does the Scape Lounge make it feel less like an exclusive club of role players and you don't want randoms crashing the party? That's the vibe I'm getting.

 

That's sort of the way I've viewed this. The Scape Lounge is a place where members introduce themselves and everybody in general comes to hang out and post in a slack and relaxed sort of way as compared to the rest of Sal's. Personally I'm uncomfortable with having RPing occurring here just because, and no disrespect to the Lounge, the overall atmosphere here is drastically different to what we had in the RP Room. Also don't get me wrong, it's be great to have new members discover the role plays if they're interested, I just think it would just require a separate place of its own to provide the proper welcome or atmosphere.

 

Basically it's playful vs more serious writing, but that's just me.

 

Serious. I think that's more or less what it boils down to for me. I want a group of people who are serious about roleplaying. I want people who want to be there, who enjoy writing and forming stories with strangers, who are willing to learn writing techniques. People who are imaginative, creative and can form a smooth, grammatically correct sentence. People willing to try new things, who can deal with being told that's a bit too creative, who don't God Mod and attempt to kill everything in sight. Players who are willing to learn how to (and players who can) roleplay.

 

The perfect RPer doesn't exist, but the RP Room players sure as hell strive to be him/her. You can't just take a Jester, dump him in the middle of a busy street and hope that the extra publicity makes people want to be a Jester. Sure, some people will ask about it and join in with him in learning to juggle and tell jokes, but most people will just push past him, make his job harder by taking/breaking his clubs and tools, or showing a false pretense of interest just so they can say they've 'tried it, but it sucked', and the best kind of people will sit back and enjoy what those attempting to learn - and the Jester himself - are doing.

 

 

There should always be an exclusive room for RPing - I've never even seen it done any other way.

 

 

 

 

I'm super sorry if none of that makes any sense. I haven't slept in 21 hours, I've been working huge overtime recently and there's no time for sleep when you have a shift 1.5 hours after your previous one just finished. I just really wanted to put my opinion out there for consideration. I'll probably edit this when I wake up. Thanks for reading.

[Scorpion 1]

I like your multiple uses of analogies, Torn. I wholeheartedly believe RPs should be put back into their own room. The Scape Lounge is a place where people go for casual conversation. Put the RPs back into a separate forum, but instead of putting them toward the bottom of the site in a subforum where few people will notice it, put it somewhere where others will see it. That way new people can be attracted, but it won't be in the casual forum, so people will be more serious about it. And if we get some people who aren't serious, that's what applications are for. They can be denied by the.. DM? GM? I don't remember what we call it. Or kicked out if they were already accepted. And mods can step in if someone REALLY is an ***hat.

[reepicheep 324]

The Scape Lounge is a place where people go for casual conversation.

I don't entirely agree there. Mafia games are not casual but still fit in the Scape Lounge just fine.

Put the RPs back into a separate forum, but instead of putting them toward the bottom of the site in a subforum where few people will notice it, put it somewhere where others will see it.

Don't forget that this is a Runescape forum first and foremost, so it makes more sense to have site-related and Runescape related things at the top.

And if we get some people who aren't serious, that's what applications are for. They can be denied by the.. DM? GM? I don't remember what we call it. Or kicked out if they were already accepted. And mods can step in if someone REALLY is an ***hat.

Trolls and non-serious players were mentioned as a problem in the Scape Lounge, not a dedicated RP room.

[Scorpion 1]

The Scape Lounge is a place where people go for casual conversation.

I don't entirely agree there. Mafia games are not casual but still fit in the Scape Lounge just fine.

Put the RPs back into a separate forum, but instead of putting them toward the bottom of the site in a subforum where few people will notice it, put it somewhere where others will see it.

Don't forget that this is a Runescape forum first and foremost, so it makes more sense to have site-related and Runescape related things at the top.

And if we get some people who aren't serious, that's what applications are for. They can be denied by the.. DM? GM? I don't remember what we call it. Or kicked out if they were already accepted. And mods can step in if someone REALLY is an ***hat.

Trolls and non-serious players were mentioned as a problem in the Scape Lounge, not a dedicated RP room.

 

Well, I'm sure it's not all casual talk. A lot of it is though, you have to agree. That's why it's called the Scape "Lounge", after all. Right? And yea, I know RuneScape stuff should be at the top. I'm fine with the RP room being at the bottom, but I don't think it would be a bad idea to not put it in just a subforum. On the third point, I know. I just think that if we put it somewhere more noticeable, we'll still have that problem somewhat. And I have seen it happen in the old RP room once or twice.

[King Mic 572]

They won't start any RPs because they're not happy with your decision. Thought it was obvious.

[reepicheep 324]

They won't start any RPs because they're not happy with your decision. Thought it was obvious.

But I'm fairly sure the mods made it clear that if the Scape Lounge doesn't work out for roleplayers, they would reconsider.

[King Mic 572]

They won't start any RPs because they're not happy with your decision. Thought it was obvious.

But I'm fairly sure the mods made it clear that if the Scape Lounge doesn't work out for roleplayers, they would reconsider.

I have no idea what they're waiting for them. Click This already left, how many more members do you want to lose?

Remind me again how many RPs have been created ever since the mod team decided not to move the threads? How many posts has this thread with 33 pages gotten ever since?

[reepicheep 324]

They won't start any RPs because they're not happy with your decision. Thought it was obvious.

But I'm fairly sure the mods made it clear that if the Scape Lounge doesn't work out for roleplayers, they would reconsider.

I have no idea what they're waiting for them. Click This already left, how many more members do you want to lose?

Remind me again how many RPs have been created ever since the mod team decided not to move the threads? How many posts has this thread with 33 pages gotten ever since?

They're probably waiting for the RPers to actually try and start an RP. I'm not sure what a switch back to a dedicated RP forum would accomplish given that there have been no RPs for several months at least, if not a year. They could try and start an RP here and see if they can get any new blood in the ranks. A switch back would likely result in more discussion about starting RPs, which is nice but ultimately fruitless.

[King Mic 572]

They won't start any RPs because they're not happy with your decision. Thought it was obvious.

But I'm fairly sure the mods made it clear that if the Scape Lounge doesn't work out for roleplayers, they would reconsider.

I have no idea what they're waiting for them. Click This already left, how many more members do you want to lose?

Remind me again how many RPs have been created ever since the mod team decided not to move the threads? How many posts has this thread with 33 pages gotten ever since?

They're probably waiting for the RPers to actually try and start an RP. I'm not sure what a switch back to a dedicated RP forum would accomplish given that there have been no RPs for several months at least, if not a year. They could try and start an RP here and see if they can get any new blood in the ranks. A switch back would likely result in more discussion about starting RPs, which is nice but ultimately fruitless.

I'm going to try to explain this the simples way possible for the last time because I'm tired of repeating myself.

It's basically like this: you could have a billion, no a gazillion good reasons to keep the threads here for the RP community to grow that it wouldn't matter at all. Why? Because the RP community isn't happy with the decision. It's just not going to friggin' work, I don't know what is so hard to understand. I'm sure the mods have great intentions but there's no way to make them post here if they don't feel confortable doing so. The community was already small and all you had to do to kill it completely was to make a decision that would make one or two of the few remaining members quit. Which in case you haven't noticed it's exactly what already happened. Even though only one actually made a leaving thread I'm sure you haven't seen the others posting around have you?

So again even if keeping the threads here is a fantastic idea unless you think you'll be able to recruit a whole new RP community I don't see how any good can come from it.

The RP forum wasn't very active that's true, but one or two threads like this one we're posting in would get a few posts once in a while and some RPers would still use other parts of the forums. Now the RP activity is completely non-existant and the RPers have all gone inactive. Serious explain me would you rather have a little discussion about starting RPs and having the members still around using other parts of the forum or absolutely no discussion at all and the RPers gone?

I honestly don't get what you're trying to defend.

You're basically saying 'well yeah it isn't working because you guys are not giving it a try!!' well duh that's what we have been saying this whole time - keeping the threads here is not going to do any good because they simply have no intentions of posting here. As for a inactive RP subforum being useless, well sure I agree but you see they just want their threads moved to the library, not their whole subforum back.

 

Jesus...

[King Mic 572]

What's ridiculous is how you simply refuse to do something the community wants for once and that they would thank you for.

You had a good idea that was impossible to succeed, the community you were trying to help was against it, even the few members that absolutely do not care about RPs who bothered to voice their opinion were against it but you still went and did what you wanted with a dose of uncalled for elistism ("we decide because this isn't a democracy!"). All fine and dandy but now, as expected, it didn't work the way you were hoping it would work but you still fudgeing refuse to admit it was a bad decision.

I'm honestly beginning to understand why so many people quit Sal's out of frustration.

Edited August 20, 2013 by Micael Fatia

[Scorpion 1]

I started an RP. Well, let's see how this goes (all my RPs seem to die).

[Scorpion 1]

Worst that could happen is no one posts (which I'm used to) and gets buried under other posts, which then maybe moving it to the Library might be considered. Best that could happen is so many people get interested in RPs that we get a separate forum for them. ;)

[Torn 3]

Ahh Scorpion, ever vigilant, ever positive.

 

Let me know how that RP goes will ya. If he hasn't already try and get Leo on board. He'll probably help out.

[Scorpion 1]

Yea I told 'im about it. No worries.

[Ellibereth 5]

These two posts got cut

Because haikus are better

Snip snip snip snip snip

Edited August 31, 2013 by Ellibereth

[Ellibereth 5]

These two posts got cut

Because haikus are better

Snip snip snip snip snip

Edited August 31, 2013 by Ellibereth

[Silavor 29]

Oh wow. I leave for a couple months and the whole world flips upside-down on me.

 

So apparently this has been in effect for a month now. How's it working out so far?

 

I leave for a while.

Now the world's all upside-down.

How's it working out?

Edited August 31, 2013 by Silavor

[Ellibereth 5]

As I roamed the world

I thought all would be the same

but twas not to be

Edited August 31, 2013 by Ellibereth

[Silavor 29]

We're doing this here?

Another haiku battle?

What about RPs?

[Ellibereth 5]

What place is better

Than where things begin and end

Another fortnight

Edited August 31, 2013 by Ellibereth

[Silavor 29]

Do you like this move?

Some new blood could do us good.

We were stagnating.

[Ellibereth 5]

We barely exist

And to destroy is to fix

When foundations rot

Edited August 31, 2013 by Ellibereth

[Silavor 29]

Any ideas?

Click's was Attack on Titan.

I just realized.

[Ellibereth 5]

grand things Don't work out

we just start Fall(ing) Off cliffs

blank canvas freestyle

Edited August 31, 2013 by Ellibereth