Click This Posted July 7, 2013 Author Share Posted July 7, 2013 I'd be glad to join any roleplay with some decent thought behind it. I don't particularly want to GM a roleplay myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rune_Warrior Posted July 15, 2013 Share Posted July 15, 2013 (edited) So... I just watched Pacific Rim. We need a mecha RP now. I'm thinking instead of Kaiju, we have big fantasy creatures like ogres, trolls, giants and dragons. Like my old RP where we were future humans who went back in time in giant mechs to destroy the orcs that ruled the future. EDIT: Found said old RP. Wow, it was made in 2009. http://runescape.salmoneus.net/forums/topic/279108-operation-time/ Edited July 15, 2013 by Rune_Warrior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Click This Posted July 28, 2013 Author Share Posted July 28, 2013 RIP Roleplay room, 2007-2013. Let's hope we're merged back into the Library. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaconmorae Posted July 28, 2013 Share Posted July 28, 2013 Thank gawd I'm not the only one who noticed this. I had an aneurysm when I saw that it was only runescape stories. A part of me died. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Click This Posted July 28, 2013 Author Share Posted July 28, 2013 http://runescape.salmoneus.net/forums/topic/360185-what-happened-to-the-roleplay-room-and-its-topics/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leo Posted July 29, 2013 Share Posted July 29, 2013 (edited) All hail Clicky for speaking on the RPers' behalf. EDIT: Seriously though, thanks for getting the mods to reconsider the merger. :) Edited July 29, 2013 by Leo Crimson Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Click This Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share Posted July 31, 2013 No problem --It's disappointing to see such a thing happening. Now it's a waiting game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micael Fatia Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 (edited) What is there to decide? Just move the topics to the library already. The library isn't very active, so it's not like merging it with the RP room is going to do any harm, and as a bonus you make the RP community happy because they all support the merge. We gain absolutely nothing at all having the RP threads in this section. (Scape Loungue) Edited July 31, 2013 by Micael Fatia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuanrang Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 it's not like merging it with the RP room is going to do any harm In your own opinion, Micael, what exactly would be the harm in keeping them in the Lounge, if you look beyond the Library as an argument? :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Click This Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share Posted July 31, 2013 it's not like merging it with the RP room is going to do any harm In your own opinion, Micael, what exactly would be the harm in keeping them in the Lounge, if you look beyond the Library as an argument? :P Several reasons, one being the Scape Lounge having the highest topic turnover rate in the entire forum, and the fact that the Roleplay Room has never been purged before, making the Scape Lounge a clusterfudge of topics that makes it impossible to find or navigate to topics that you want to reread. As I stated before, there is a clear distinction in the quality of writing in roleplays than the topics found in the Scape Lounge, and should belong in the Library as literary pieces, not to rot in the Scape Lounge left to die behind the slew of welcome and leaving topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micael Fatia Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Well it seems Click This answered your question for me, Yuanrang. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuanrang Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Well it seems Click This answered your question for me, Yuanrang. :P I did not ask him, I asked you. What are your own strongest reasons? :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micael Fatia Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Basically what Click this said really, I do not find the RP topics fitting for this section. I've always viewed the Scape Loungue as the place for all kinds of spammy, trolly and funny topics as well as welcome and goodbye topics. Pretty much every forum has a section like this. And I just don't think the RP topics belong here, they're collaborative stories that people put effort into and for that reason I think they fit more in the Library than in the 'spam forum'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuanrang Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Basically what Click this said really, I do not find the RP topics fitting for this section. I've always viewed the Scape Loungue as the place for all kinds of spammy, trolly and funny topics as well as welcome and goodbye topics. By that extention, does not Mafia threads belong there as well? :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micael Fatia Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Basically what Click this said really, I do not find the RP topics fitting for this section. I've always viewed the Scape Loungue as the place for all kinds of spammy, trolly and funny topics as well as welcome and goodbye topics. By that extention, does not Mafia threads belong there as well? :P Have you seen what the Scape Loungue's Mafia games are like? They're basically giant repetitive arguments, I don't see how that's anywhere near the same as a collaborative story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuanrang Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 (edited) Basically what Click this said really, I do not find the RP topics fitting for this section. I've always viewed the Scape Loungue as the place for all kinds of spammy, trolly and funny topics as well as welcome and goodbye topics. By that extention, does not Mafia threads belong there as well? :P Have you seen what the Scape Loungue's Mafia games are like? They're basically giant repetitive arguments, I don't see how that's anywhere near the same as a collaborative story. Any mafia game is a repetitive argument which squabble over details, trying to pinpoint a flaw, or some form of inconsistency which might be exposed as a lie. I would consider mafia games to be roleplaying at a rather high level, because you need to put yourselves into the shoes of a role with limitations, and you need to basically act it out for your own survival. Regardless of the quality of Scape Lounge games, a cop needs to connect his investigations with posting patterns, a doctor needs to stay out of suspicion, a jester needs to be suspicious while not obviously so, and the mafia needs to appear pro-town. Scape Lounge games might have a higher ratio of players failing to live up to their roles, but they still try to play their role. It is storytelling, just from a different perspective and in real-time. After all, a mafia game is the reality crafted by the Game Master and the decisions made by the players. It really is not that different from the reality crafted in a RP thread, though the form of it is rather different. :P Although, when everything is said and done, my question was mainly a diversion from my main argument from the Moderator's Forum. I just wanted some additional impressions and opinions on other arguments to gauge whether or not the sum of opposing arguments is compelling enough to outweigh the pros for having them stay in the Scape Lounge. :P Edited July 31, 2013 by Yuanrang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Click This Posted July 31, 2013 Author Share Posted July 31, 2013 Basically what Click this said really, I do not find the RP topics fitting for this section. I've always viewed the Scape Loungue as the place for all kinds of spammy, trolly and funny topics as well as welcome and goodbye topics. By that extention, does not Mafia threads belong there as well? :P Have you seen what the Scape Loungue's Mafia games are like? They're basically giant repetitive arguments, I don't see how that's anywhere near the same as a collaborative story. Any mafia game is a repetitive argument which squabble over details, trying to pinpoint a flaw, or some form of inconsistency which might be exposed as a lie. I would consider mafia games to be roleplaying at a rather high level, because you need to put yourselves into the shoes of a role with limitations, and you need to basically act it out for your own survival. Regardless of the quality of Scape Lounge games, a cop needs to connect his investigations with posting patterns, a doctor needs to stay out of suspicion, a jester needs to be suspicious while not obviously so, and the mafia needs to appear pro-town. Scape Lounge games might have a higher ratio of players failing to live up to their roles, but they still try to play their role. It is storytelling, just from a different perspective and in real-time. After all, a mafia game is the reality crafted by the Game Master and the decisions made by the players. It really is not that different from the reality crafted in a RP thread, though the form of it is rather different. :P Although, when everything is said and done, my question was mainly a diversion from my main argument from the Moderator's Forum. I just wanted some additional impressions and opinions on other arguments to gauge whether or not the sum of opposing arguments is compelling enough to outweigh the pros for having them stay in the Scape Lounge. :P Albeit that may be true, at the end of the day, a roleplay is still a higher quality written piece than a mafia game. The perfectly executed mafia game will never live up to a perfectly written roleplay that hasended. Ideally, a finished roleplay at the end could be bundled up and sold as a novel if the roleplayers wished, publishing issues aside. A mafia game could never achieve that. The major motivations behind my argument is simply preservation. Keeping these things in the Scape Lounge ruins any further chance for roleplaying to continue, where it is not appreciated, and it also makes it difficult to read back on a roleplay as one would do in the Library. Just as I like to read stories in the Library, I like to read past roleplays. There's also the matter of purging; the Scape Lounge has commonly been purged, but the Library has not been purged in seven years. I don't want to lose the roleplays to a purge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bros before hoes Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 Just move the damn RP shizzle into the Library. God, it's not that hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micael Fatia Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 I honestly don't know why is even getting discussed. Roleplays can belong to both the Library (RPs are collaborative stories after all) and the Scape Loungue (because Mafia games are posted here and and some of you think they're the same as RPs (not that I disagree, there's roleplaying involved but it's a different kind of roleplaying). If there are two possible sections for the RPs then why not move them to the Library? It's what the RP community wants, and they have arguments that make some sense. The Scape Lounge is one of the most active sections and they prefer a quieter section, don't get what the big deal is. tl;dr If roleplays fit in both the Library and Scape Lounge just move the topics to the Library because that's what the RP community wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reepicheep Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 The mods presumably have very good reasons as to why this is being discussed. A little patience doesn't hurt guys, just let them talk it out :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yuanrang Posted July 31, 2013 Share Posted July 31, 2013 (edited) I honestly don't know why is even getting discussed. I think this is because most people here can not really see the big picture for what it is. :P I will do something unusual and directly quote one of my latest posts in its entirety, taken from the debate we have going in the Moderator Board, just to give you all an idea why I think it would be unwise to actually move the RP threads into the Library. A part of me wants to say "no", even if reverting the change is probably right. "Why?", you do not ask? Well, I will tell you anyway. The simple truth is that Roleplaying threads are not popular anymore. They used to be a craze when we had a handful (or two) of dedicated members that loved to roleplay and they were basically the heart and soul of that section, getting others to join until it became a substantial group. As more and more of that small core left, the recruitment became lower and it has more or less died out at this point, which was the reason for us moving it in the first place. I am asking myself this: "What would be the best for the roleplayer community in the long run?" My first thought is that hopefully, a spark will be reignited and that particular niche community will grow, meaning they actually can enjoy some roleplaying games that is "having five or six interested players, rather than two or three interested and the rest just in it for the sake of reviving the dead", if I am to quote part of a post made by @Torn in the RP thread. However, I think that moving the threads back to the Library would be incredibly counter-productive to that. Now, it is obvious that I do not have any real statistics to back up my upcoming statement, but I would be willing to bet that the Scape Lounge sees more traffic and has far more activity than the Library. This would mean that a lot more people would be able to spot the roleplaying games, and more people would be likely to give it a shot. By doing this, newcomers will also have a reason to keep posting on the forums because they are participating in something and they also get to know other people. Heck, that is basically one of the reasons why I ended up spending some time on Sal's. I was involved with some form of ancient precursor to the RP section, and I ended up getting to know Sir Sibannac and Hamba, which was some form of anchor in the early days. Give people a reason to post, and they will stay. Having a visible RP thread should be a good way to do that if the RP community actually want to keep a thread alive, but to be fair, nowadays I think they are technically unable to do so because they do not have the necessary amount of active/dedicated/interested people. As I see it, putting the threads back into the Library serves two simple purposes. 1: You uphold tradition and people do not have to freak out about change, which is a natural human reaction. 2: It will likely kill the roleplaying community, give or take a year. Let us be honest here. It has atrophied for years now, and the past way of having them put in the Library obviously did nothing to turn it around. They got no new recruits. They ended up making less threads. They ended up having a diminished amount of interest, and now we are stuck with people rather being nostalgic about games that took place between 2-6 years ago. I get that there are a few people that has an interest in RP yet, and I find that lovely. I do not want to step on that, but let me be honest. I think that what people really want is not as much moving it back to the LIbrary, but probably reverting the change entirely and having all the threads moved back into a specific subforum (which is impossible), just so they can read up of past nostalgic memories. I do not know, I just feel like these topics back would be the worst thing we could do for the roleplayers themselves, and I would rather give them the chance and the opportunity to turn everything around, but I think they do not quite realise how damaging it would be to move it back to the LIbrary. New people usually will not visit the Library, and if they do, I am somewhat convinced that they will go there to either post something they have written, or to read something else. Now, if someone sees a RP topic in the Scape Lounge, both active and with many people posting, with simple rules and a nice story behind, they would be more likely to read the thread as it daily evolves and probably join up whenever there is a free spot. I do not know. I think the only thing stopping the RP community at this point is that they simply have not gotten a RP game going. It just feels so utterly counter-productive to not even try a new solution, before we run back to the old, inefficient, system which we know for a fact does nothing to help the RP community itself. That is basically my take on this entire situation, and I realise that some of you may disagree, but my priority is to give the roleplaying community the best chance they have to grow again, which leads me to believe that the Scape Lounge is the most viable choice there is. I do have some concerns about the change, but these are all from a technical point of view and only require some polishing, just to address certain concerns by both Community and Staff alike. Either way, if people are wondering why things take time, it is because we are trying to come up with the best possible solution to let the roleplayers have a fighting chance. Certain arguments made in favour of moving it to the Library just are not very good ones, to be blunt. Hard to find topics? Well, then we either find an alternate solution so they are easy to find through some point of reference, or people learn to actually use the search functions and do a basic search which would sort out that problem. The Library is less pruned than the Scape Lounge? Oh please, it is five and a half years since the Lounge was last pruned, which was the same time when we stopped all forum pruning period. Honestly, I just think some of these arguments stems from the wish that people want one forum or subforum which they can easily skim through to find past topics to relive old memories, re-read old stories and feel some nostalgia. If that is the case, you should abandon all hope right now, because we can not actually revert that change even if put RP threads in the Library again. There is no reset switch for that, at least not one which not has more severe consequences which makes it unacceptable (like a roll-back). I want to repeat this just to put an emphasis on it just to make it crystal clear, but if we keep RP topics in the Lounge, we want to find a way to make things a tad more organised for everyone without "hiding" them away. Though, I suppose that actually depends on the activity and interest in roleplaying in the first place. If there is none, then all RP topics will die by themselves, just like they would in the Library. Period. At least my suggestion at least gives the RP community a chance to actually stay alive and grow again, if the RP community is willing. :P Edited July 31, 2013 by Yuanrang Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micael Fatia Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 But the problem, Yuanrang, is that if you keep the RPs here it's quite probable you're condemning RPing to an even quicker death. Because judging by the reactions of the few RPers left it's quite obvious they're not satisfied with the mod team decision, they might not accept it and stop RPing, or worse: they might stop using Sal's because it's very possible some of them only come here to RP or to reminisce about the 'golden age' of Sals RPing. I understand your arguments to keep the RPs here, I really do, but in the end if it's not what the community wants then you're doing more harm than good even if you have good intentions and firmly believe you're doing what's best for the RP community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seaconmorae Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 I'll throw caution to the wind (if that phrase is applicable here). I'll support this. Role playing on Sal's has been dead for awhile. If we get RP's going then they will not be drowned. If you're looking for nostalgia, go to the find content button in your profile. I do that. I suggest that if/when we get a RP going, that we request it pinned if it's very popular, and if goes for an amount of time (up to mods for the length) without acyivity, it gets unpinned. Just an idea. And, I don't know where to post this, since yuan will look at it here, the runescape stories can be found in the general runescape discussion, but it also is merged with the library. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Micael Fatia Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 If we get RP's going then they will not be drowned. [...] I suggest that if/when we get a RP going, that we request it pinned if it's very popular, and if goes for an amount of time (up to mods for the length) without acyivity, it gets unpinned. Just an idea. But you won't get any RPs going if the RP community refuses to post here. As for topics getting pinned, well I highly doubt that's going to happen. It would be favouring a group of people over other groups, what if the Mafia players decided they wanted their popular Mafia games pinned too? What if Adam? and the DSZ fans decide they want the DSZ topic pinned? What if the bronies decide they need a topic pinned too? I just don't see it working. The way is see it the moderators have presented their argument as to why the RPs should stay here, and it's a good argument, but now they should let the RP community decide. Because if refusing to move the RP topics to the Library means killing the RP community (if they do not accept the mod team decision) then I think you'll agree it's preferable to move the topics. I don't know about you but I'd much rather have the RP community last a little longer (even if not much longer) than lose it right now because of this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Samsara Posted August 1, 2013 Share Posted August 1, 2013 (edited) I don't think resurrecting the RP subforum is a good idea. The forum is not nearly active enough--and bringing it back isn't going to make it active again. We can't create entire subforums just because there is a potential for it to be active. I've gone through the same thing. A couple of years back, way before I was a mod, I suggested that we create a new subforum in The Story Mat for discussion of books. I was told to create a thread, and if it was obvious that there was enough discussion to fill up a subforum, then it would be made. What we're doing here isn't unprecedented. To quote Goggie from that very same suggestion thread about the books subforum, three years ago: I'm not sure that such a subforum would have enough activity to warrant its place, but by starting with a topic you can see how it fares and then a new forum could be considered if it is a success. Let the activity come first, show that there are enough active roleplays to warrant an entire subforum for them, and we will make that subforum. As of right now, there is no compelling evidence or argument to revert the decision. And, I don't know where to post this, since yuan will look at it here, the runescape stories can be found in the general runescape discussion, but it also is merged with the library. That's intentional. The link inside RuneScape Discussion is a redirect to The Library. It's there because RuneScape Stories are somewhat relevant to the RuneScape Discussion subforum, and we figured it'd increase the traffic to the Stories subforum. Edit: I realize now that you guys weren't asking for the old subforum, but for RP posts to go in the Library. I apologize for misconstruing but I'm going to keep the rest of my post unchanged so that you can behold me in all my stupid glory. :P However, I believe my point still stands. Edited August 1, 2013 by Samsara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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