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Remove the reputation score on user profiles.

 

Keep the ability to rate posts themselves.

 

That's a good idea, actually. Keeps the useful aspects of the system in place while discarding the possible pissing contest that can come about with numerical reputations. It would also make the votes reflective of the post instead of the poster (to a point).

 

also i have 108 respect points so my opinion should carry more weight clearly i am respectable member of this community

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I think that removing the downvote option would be the best solution. We've had the Likes/Upvotes system for a few months now and there were no complaints, however with the recent addition of downvoting it's being pretty rampant across the board.

The reason we switched from a simple "Like" system to Up/Down votes was due to members saying that liking a post is useless without a Dislike option too. Which makes sense sometimes when a post really deserves to be voted down. Obviously certain members have been abusing the system, unfortunately.

Yes, but the problem is when people start voting not for the content of the post, but for the popularity of the poster. The whole reputation system creates this popularity contest which I doubt is the original intention of being able to vote on posts. I do not see the logic behind raising/lowering the reputation of a member because people like/dislike something that they posted.

 

If you really want to keep the popularity contest of the reputation system, allow users to vote up or down on the user profiles of other people.

 

However, I am still very much in favour of scrapping the reputation system. The ability to vote on posts is great, but abusing that ability to change the reputation of posters is no good.

You make it seem like the end of the world. It's really, really not. Oh no, a few people mis-use a particular part of the forums, go ahead and take down the whole thing.

How, may I ask, do I "make it seem like the end of the world"?

 

Since when did I say that I wanted to "take down the whole thing"?

 

On the contrary, I mostly like the voting ability, but I am pointing out one part of it that is flawed, and suggesting that part should either be changed or removed.

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Remove the reputation score on user profiles.

 

Keep the ability to rate posts themselves.

 

I think this is the best way to go about it, although are you for or against the removal of downvoting? I think down with the downvoting.

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I think that removing the downvote option would be the best solution. We've had the Likes/Upvotes system for a few months now and there were no complaints, however with the recent addition of downvoting it's being pretty rampant across the board.

The reason we switched from a simple "Like" system to Up/Down votes was due to members saying that liking a post is useless without a Dislike option too. Which makes sense sometimes when a post really deserves to be voted down. Obviously certain members have been abusing the system, unfortunately.

Yes, but the problem is when people start voting not for the content of the post, but for the popularity of the poster. The whole reputation system creates this popularity contest which I doubt is the original intention of being able to vote on posts. I do not see the logic behind raising/lowering the reputation of a member because people like/dislike something that they posted.

 

If you really want to keep the popularity contest of the reputation system, allow users to vote up or down on the user profiles of other people.

 

However, I am still very much in favour of scrapping the reputation system. The ability to vote on posts is great, but abusing that ability to change the reputation of posters is no good.

You make it seem like the end of the world. It's really, really not. Oh no, a few people mis-use a particular part of the forums, go ahead and take down the whole thing.

How, may I ask, do I "make it seem like the end of the world"?

 

On the contrary, I mostly like the voting ability, but I am pointing out one part of it that is flawed, and suggesting that part should either be changed or removed.

Making such a big deal out of something that is so mediocre to the forum. Probably shouldn't have singled you out because I was meant to address more than one person. I just think demanding change for something that is so redundant and that a couple of people are abusing is a little silly.

 

Since when did I say that I wanted to "take down the whole thing"?

"However, I am still very much in favour of scrapping the reputation system. The ability to vote on posts is great, but abusing that ability to change the reputation of posters is no good."

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I reached my quota for down-votes today! :(

Poor Aabid!!

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Ok it seems that people have not been understanding my post.

 

Remove the reputation score on user profiles.

 

Keep the ability to rate posts themselves.

 

I think this is the best way to go about it, although are you for or against the removal of downvoting? I think down with the downvoting.

I support keeping downvoting if the reputation system is removed.

 

Yes, but the problem is when people start voting not for the content of the post, but for the popularity of the poster. The whole reputation system creates this popularity contest which I doubt is the original intention of being able to vote on posts. I do not see the logic behind raising/lowering the reputation of a member because people like/dislike something that they posted.

 

If you really want to keep the popularity contest of the reputation system, allow users to vote up or down on the user profiles of other people.

 

However, I am still very much in favour of scrapping the reputation system. The ability to vote on posts is great, but abusing that ability to change the reputation of posters is no good.

You make it seem like the end of the world. It's really, really not. Oh no, a few people mis-use a particular part of the forums, go ahead and take down the whole thing.

How, may I ask, do I "make it seem like the end of the world"?

 

On the contrary, I mostly like the voting ability, but I am pointing out one part of it that is flawed, and suggesting that part should either be changed or removed.

Making such a big deal out of something that is so mediocre to the forum. Probably shouldn't have singled you out because I was meant to address more than one person. I just think demanding change for something that is so redundant and that a couple of people are abusing is a little silly.
I am not demanding anything. I am pointing out a flaw and proposing a solution. Other people have not been aggressive in demanding anything about this either.

 

 

Since when did I say that I wanted to "take down the whole thing"?

"However, I am still very much in favour of scrapping the reputation system. The ability to vote on posts is great, but abusing that ability to change the reputation of posters is no good."

As for this one, you removed some key context and failed to notice why I highlighted a part in bold text.

 

Note that I've suggested two different possible solutions.

 

If you really want to keep the popularity contest of the reputation system, allow users to vote up or down on the user profiles of other people.

However, I am still very much in favour of scrapping the reputation system. The ability to vote on posts is great......

 

I state my opinion here, saying that I am more in favour of the second option than the first.

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I reached my quota for down-votes today! :(

Poor Aabid!!

It really is not Aabid you should feel sorry for, trust me. :cute:

 

@Leaf: I got what you have been saying, and I agree with you on the "downvote post, not the person" suggestion. It seems that multiple Staff members caught that and was in favour of it, but it was not entirely possible at the current moment. If we can get a modification for it, we might see such a change. I do not quite know, only Salmoneus can really answer that. I do know he was aware of your suggestion though.

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get warn threats for disagreeing with a post

 

get warn threats for downvoting

 

wow.

 

Here at Sal's there is no disagreeing because that makes members sad.

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There is a difference between downvoting someone's post because you disagree with them and systematically downvoting all of the posts of one member for the hell of it. Whether you should be warned for it is a different story, but this is why we need to get rid of downvoting imo.

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Why don't we just make the minimum reputation 0? That should keep trolls in line without sending them to the depths of hell.

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Just noticed this

 

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I find this hilarious. Do you honestly expect posts to get rated ±1000?

This is sort of a separate suggestion, but I think there should be better ways to filter posts. Maybe a filter by name of poster, or filter by specific search terms?

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Just noticed this

 

58815315.png

 

 

I find this hilarious. Do you honestly expect posts to get rated ±1000?

This is sort of a separate suggestion, but I think there should be better ways to filter posts. Maybe a filter by name of poster, or filter by specific search terms?

we are optimists mr pessimist

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Should we not do a poll to decide?

To make the communtiy decide as democracy instead of the admins and such deciding?

 

With options such as:

Keep it.

Remove it.

Remove profile reputation only.

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Should we not do a poll to decide?

To make the communtiy decide as democracy instead of the admins and such deciding?

 

With options such as:

Keep it.

Remove it.

Remove profile reputation only.

To be blunt, I think polls would be useless in this case. Polls depend on everybody offering their opinion, when in reality some people just won't bother. Besides that, the reason that admins are generally the ones to make decisions is because they're the more mature members (not on this forum, of course :aware: ). I don't think a poll would really help, because there'll always be people complaining about a feature. Pleasing everyone is impossible.

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I too feel the best solution would be removing the reputation system, but if that's not possible then at least get rid of the downvote button. I've seen posts that deserve being downvoted to hell and I'm sure most of you have too, but unfortunately there are people that have been abusing the system by downvoting all the posts of the members they don't like/want to bother for whatever reason. As much as I'd like to be able to downvote a retarded post once in a while I think it's clear as water that the cons of the downvote button outweigh the pros.

 

The reason we switched from a simple "Like" system to Up/Down votes was due to members saying that liking a post is useless without a Dislike option too. Which makes sense sometimes when a post really deserves to be voted down. Obviously certain members have been abusing the system, unfortunately.

Right, but I think the problem is that you forgot about the silent majority (at least I believe we're the majority, my apologies if I'm wrong) that was happy with only having the upvote button.

 

get warn threats for disagreeing with a post

 

get warn threats for downvoting

 

wow.

More like

 

get warn threats for abusing the downvote system

 

get warned/suspended for continuing abusing the downvote system

 

yep.

Edited by Micael Fatia

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I feel it would be easy to spot an active attempt to abuse the system be it by launching a campaign against members or intentionally trying to get down votes by trolling and flaming. I think we have the rules in place to bring down warnings and bans on people who try and do that. If there is any holes in the current rules with regards to the system, then that will quickly noticed by the staff and fixed.

 

There are muppets who will mess with it. There will always be folks who do that. It'll make more sense if we deal with the abusers rather than throwing away a system most people are fine with.

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I too feel the best solution would be removing the reputation system, but if that's not possible then at least get rid of the downvote button. I've seen posts that deserve being downvoted to hell and I'm sure most of you have too, but unfortunately there are people that have been abusing the system by downvoting all the posts of the members they don't like/want to bother for whatever reason. As much as I'd like to be able to downvote a retarded post once in a while I think it's clear as water that the cons of the downvote button outweigh the pros.

 

The reason we switched from a simple "Like" system to Up/Down votes was due to members saying that liking a post is useless without a Dislike option too. Which makes sense sometimes when a post really deserves to be voted down. Obviously certain members have been abusing the system, unfortunately.

Right, but I think the problem is that you forgot about the silent majority (at least I believe we're the majority, my apologies if I'm wrong) that was happy with only having the upvote button.

 

get warn threats for disagreeing with a post

 

get warn threats for downvoting

 

wow.

More like

 

get warn threats for abusing the downvote system

 

get warned/suspended for continuing abusing the downvote system

 

yep.

 

no.

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I feel it would be easy to spot an active attempt to abuse the system be it by launching a campaign against members or intentionally trying to get down votes by trolling and flaming. I think we have the rules in place to bring down warnings and bans on people who try and do that. If there is any holes in the current rules with regards to the system, then that will quickly noticed by the staff and fixed.

 

There are muppets who will mess with it. There will always be folks who do that. It'll make more sense if we deal with the abusers rather than throwing away a system most people are fine with.

Well currently there is nothing on upvoting and downvoting in the forum rules, so at the very minimum abusing the system should be officially against the rules. I know you can get warned for it now, but it would be nice to have something in the forum rules to serve as a warning.

 

I'm still for getting rid of at least downvoting for reasons I stated previously. Also, I feel like most of the posts that are downvoted are posted by newer members of the forum. Seeing that everyone is downvoting their posts just makes them feel alienated by the community and may stop visiting. I think most respectable members on this forum now made some stupid posts in the beginning. I know that if downvoting was around when I first joined I would have been downvoted to hell. So I think we should also consider that.

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I feel it would be easy to spot an active attempt to abuse the system be it by launching a campaign against members or intentionally trying to get down votes by trolling and flaming. I think we have the rules in place to bring down warnings and bans on people who try and do that. If there is any holes in the current rules with regards to the system, then that will quickly noticed by the staff and fixed.

 

There are muppets who will mess with it. There will always be folks who do that. It'll make more sense if we deal with the abusers rather than throwing away a system most people are fine with.

Well currently there is nothing on upvoting and downvoting in the forum rules, so at the very minimum abusing the system should be officially against the rules. I know you can get warned for it now, but it would be nice to have something in the forum rules to serve as a warning.

 

I'm still for getting rid of at least downvoting for reasons I stated previously. Also, I feel like most of the posts that are downvoted are posted by newer members of the forum. Seeing that everyone is downvoting their posts just makes them feel alienated by the community and may stop visiting. I think most respectable members on this forum now made some stupid posts in the beginning. I know that if downvoting was around when I first joined I would have been downvoted to hell. So I think we should also consider that.

 

I hope it needs not come to the point where we make a rule specifically about the post voting system system. That's like sticking a sign on a light bulb saying "Do not lick". It appeals to idiots and reflects poorly on our community's level of maturity.

 

If there is one amendment I suggest, it's on paragraph two about Rudeness and Flaming. Whilst I think there is enough there to brand an abuse of the system to bully someone, we can just add "behavior" along with "posts, topics, comments, or names". That way any other form of bullying, be it abusing the vote system or a unwarranted slime campaign against an individual event outside the forum, will fall under that category and will officially be punishable.

Edited by Phoenix Rider

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Also, I feel like most of the posts that are downvoted are posted by newer members of the forum. Seeing that everyone is downvoting their posts just makes them feel alienated by the community and may stop visiting. I think most respectable members on this forum now made some stupid posts in the beginning. I know that if downvoting was around when I first joined I would have been downvoted to hell. So I think we should also consider that.

If it's not downvoting, then it's going to be a slew of snide, cruel responses which are equally likely to alienate.

Possibly, but it's much easier to hit the downvote button than to flame the person. I've personally seen posts be downvoted a lot but not responded to.

 

I hope it needs not come to the point where we make a rule specifically about the post voting system system. That's like sticking a sign on a light bulb saying "Do not lick". It appeals to idiots and reflects poorly on our community's level of maturity.

It's far different than the light bulb scenario. One situation is bad because it hurts yourself and one is bad because it hurts other people.

 

It's common sense to be nice to people, whether it be in person, on the phone, or online. But still, we currently have rules against flaming people. Does that reflect poorly on the community's level of maturity?

Edited by Sobend

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I hope it needs not come to the point where we make a rule specifically about the post voting system system. That's like sticking a sign on a light bulb saying "Do not lick". It appeals to idiots and reflects poorly on our community's level of maturity.

It's far different than the light bulb scenario. One situation is bad because it hurts yourself and one is bad because it hurts other people.

 

It's common sense to be nice to people, whether it be in person, on the phone, or online. But still, we currently have rules against flaming people. Does that reflect poorly on the community's level of maturity?

 

What I'm trying to point out is that there are already rules in place are enough to bring down warns and bans on people who abuse the system that there is no need to be more specific.

 

Better to have a general outline which can be adopted and interpreted as the situation calls for.

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guys, guys

 

guys

 

what if

 

we get rid of post count

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