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HUGE fertilizer plant explosion in West, Texas

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Something like 70+ people said to be dead so far. People in Fort Worth and Dallas have reported that they could feel it (that's about a 2 hour drive away).

http://www.kwtx.com/...-203505331.html

Oh and West, Texas is a town (named West) in Central Texas. ;) Edited by Pale Blue Dot

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Fertilisers? Oh dear, it's going to be an ammoniapalooza. Not good.

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I half remember Enschede but I was like 6 when that happened. Scary stuff.

Also, 70+ people dead? That's dreadful.

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I half remember Enschede but I was like 6 when that happened. Scary stuff.

Also, 70+ people dead? That's dreadful.

10-15 rather

there were some small exaggerations going around

 

and damnit is enschede already that long ago?

or are you just that young? :P

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I half remember Enschede but I was like 6 when that happened. Scary stuff.

Also, 70+ people dead? That's dreadful.

10-15 rather

there were some small exaggerations going around

 

and damnit is enschede already that long ago?

or are you just that young? :P

I was actually only 6 when it happened. I am only 18. Maybe you're just really old :cute:

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People up to 50-75 miles away said it felt like an earthquake. Awful. Hopefully this will lead to much stricter safety codes for fertilizer plants just like the Texas City disaster did for oil. Prayers going out to the injured.

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Holy crap, what an absolutely awful week for the US :(.

 

That video was also really distressing towards the end, must leave some psychological damage to the survivors along with any physical harm. R.I.P. to the dead, best wishes for the survivors.

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Hopefully this will lead to much stricter safety codes for fertilizer plants just like the Texas City disaster did for oil.

AP is reporting that the facility was last inspected by OSHA in 1985. I think “actually doing the fudging inspections” would be a better step.

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Hopefully this will lead to much stricter safety codes for fertilizer plants just like the Texas City disaster did for oil.

AP is reporting that the facility was last inspected by OSHA in 1985. I think “actually doing the fudging inspections” would be a better step.

Nah, just create a new regulation that prohibits explosions.

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Hopefully this will lead to much stricter safety codes for fertilizer plants just like the Texas City disaster did for oil.

AP is reporting that the facility was last inspected by OSHA in 1985. I think “actually doing the fudging inspections” would be a better step.

No! Let the market regulate itself! People will stop buying things from factories that have exploded, leaving only secure factories in the end!

 

 

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Decent zoning is so 1940s

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Decent zoning is so 1940s

Someone on 4chan recreated that in SimCity

 

many lulz were had

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It was caused by them storing 1350x the legal amount of ammonium nitrate. That's quite a big oversight.

 

Do you have a source for that?

 

They had 540k lbs of ammonium nitrate. I doubt a factory would be able to hold only roughly 400lbs. Especially when the EPA was aware that they stored that amount in 2012.

 

@Arianna this factory was on the outskirts of town. Zoning it in an industrial district would of resulted in it killing much more people than it did. Potentially leveling out the rest of the district.

 

Zoning it out into the middle of no where would of resulted in a huge waste of land. This is assuming that the city didn't build itself around the fertilizer plant to begin with.

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It was caused by them storing 1350x the legal amount of ammonium nitrate. That's quite a big oversight.

 

Do you have a source for that?

 

They had 540k lbs of ammonium nitrate. I doubt a factory would be able to hold only roughly 400lbs. Especially when the EPA was aware that they stored that amount in 2012.

 

@Arianna this factory was on the outskirts of town. Zoning it in an industrial district would of resulted in it killing much more people than it did. Potentially leveling out the rest of the district.

 

Zoning it out into the middle of no where would of resulted in a huge waste of land. This is assuming that the city didn't build itself around the fertilizer plant to begin with.

Wait are you telling me I can't just post any picture I find on reddit and expect it to be credible?

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It was caused by them storing 1350x the legal amount of ammonium nitrate. That's quite a big oversight.

 

Do you have a source for that?

 

They had 540k lbs of ammonium nitrate. I doubt a factory would be able to hold only roughly 400lbs. Especially when the EPA was aware that they stored that amount in 2012.

 

@Arianna this factory was on the outskirts of town. Zoning it in an industrial district would of resulted in it killing much more people than it did. Potentially leveling out the rest of the district.

 

Zoning it out into the middle of no where would of resulted in a huge waste of land. This is assuming that the city didn't build itself around the fertilizer plant to begin with.

 

All you had to do was type in how much ammonium nitrate did they have at the fertilizer plant in West, Texas.

 

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/20/17838304-red-flag-texas-plant-had-1350-times-amount-of-chemical-that-would-trigger-oversight

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/20/us-usa-explosion-regulation-idUSBRE93J09N20130420

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/25/us/texas-fertilizer-plant-fell-through-cracks-of-regulatory-oversight.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

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It was caused by them storing 1350x the legal amount of ammonium nitrate. That's quite a big oversight.

 

Do you have a source for that?

 

They had 540k lbs of ammonium nitrate. I doubt a factory would be able to hold only roughly 400lbs. Especially when the EPA was aware that they stored that amount in 2012.

 

@Arianna this factory was on the outskirts of town. Zoning it in an industrial district would of resulted in it killing much more people than it did. Potentially leveling out the rest of the district.

 

Zoning it out into the middle of no where would of resulted in a huge waste of land. This is assuming that the city didn't build itself around the fertilizer plant to begin with.

 

All you had to do was type in how much ammonium nitrate did they have at the fertilizer plant in West, Texas.

 

http://usnews.nbcnew...igger-oversight

 

http://www.reuters.c...E93J09N20130420

 

http://www.nytimes.c...wanted=all&_r=0

 

I know it makes for good headlines but what exactly would the DHS would of done to prevent this? Especially when this information was already sent to several other regulatory agencies.

 

They deal with terrorism and border control. They have nothing to do with chemical regulation. There is nothing that they would of done to prevent this.

 

3 different regulation agencies but that still isn't enough? How much more bureaucratic do we need to be?

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It was caused by them storing 1350x the legal amount of ammonium nitrate. That's quite a big oversight.

 

Do you have a source for that?

 

They had 540k lbs of ammonium nitrate. I doubt a factory would be able to hold only roughly 400lbs. Especially when the EPA was aware that they stored that amount in 2012.

 

@Arianna this factory was on the outskirts of town. Zoning it in an industrial district would of resulted in it killing much more people than it did. Potentially leveling out the rest of the district.

 

Zoning it out into the middle of no where would of resulted in a huge waste of land. This is assuming that the city didn't build itself around the fertilizer plant to begin with.

Call me a conspiracy theorist but I'm not sure I'd trust the self-reporting of a company whose factory just blew the fudge up.

 

Just saying.

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It was caused by them storing 1350x the legal amount of ammonium nitrate. That's quite a big oversight.

 

Do you have a source for that?

 

They had 540k lbs of ammonium nitrate. I doubt a factory would be able to hold only roughly 400lbs. Especially when the EPA was aware that they stored that amount in 2012.

 

@Arianna this factory was on the outskirts of town. Zoning it in an industrial district would of resulted in it killing much more people than it did. Potentially leveling out the rest of the district.

 

Zoning it out into the middle of no where would of resulted in a huge waste of land. This is assuming that the city didn't build itself around the fertilizer plant to begin with.

 

All you had to do was type in how much ammonium nitrate did they have at the fertilizer plant in West, Texas.

 

http://usnews.nbcnew...igger-oversight

 

http://www.reuters.c...E93J09N20130420

 

http://www.nytimes.c...wanted=all&_r=0

 

I know it makes for good headlines but what exactly would the DHS would of done to prevent this? Especially when this information was already sent to several other regulatory agencies.

 

They deal with terrorism and border control. They have nothing to do with chemical regulation. There is nothing that they would of done to prevent this.

 

3 different regulation agencies but that still isn't enough? How much more bureaucratic do we need to be?

 

It's not that there's not people in place to take care of it's just that they didn't do their job, and since I know you'll ask for sources and won't bother to look for it yourself:

 

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/national/2013/04/exploding-fertilizer-plant-texas-hadnt-had-full-inspection-nearly-three-decades/64469/

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/22/west-fertilizer_n_3134202.html

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2313350/Texas-explosion-West-fertilizer-plant-given-safety-inspection-30-YEARS.html

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It was caused by them storing 1350x the legal amount of ammonium nitrate. That's quite a big oversight.

 

Do you have a source for that?

 

They had 540k lbs of ammonium nitrate. I doubt a factory would be able to hold only roughly 400lbs. Especially when the EPA was aware that they stored that amount in 2012.

 

@Arianna this factory was on the outskirts of town. Zoning it in an industrial district would of resulted in it killing much more people than it did. Potentially leveling out the rest of the district.

 

Zoning it out into the middle of no where would of resulted in a huge waste of land. This is assuming that the city didn't build itself around the fertilizer plant to begin with.

 

All you had to do was type in how much ammonium nitrate did they have at the fertilizer plant in West, Texas.

 

http://usnews.nbcnew...igger-oversight

 

http://www.reuters.c...E93J09N20130420

 

http://www.nytimes.c...wanted=all&_r=0

 

I know it makes for good headlines but what exactly would the DHS would of done to prevent this? Especially when this information was already sent to several other regulatory agencies.

 

They deal with terrorism and border control. They have nothing to do with chemical regulation. There is nothing that they would of done to prevent this.

 

3 different regulation agencies but that still isn't enough? How much more bureaucratic do we need to be?

 

It's not that there's not people in place to take care of it's just that they didn't do their job, and since I know you'll ask for sources and won't bother to look for it yourself:

 

http://www.theatlant...-decades/64469/

 

http://www.huffingto..._n_3134202.html

 

http://www.dailymail...n-30-YEARS.html

 

So adding another agency that deals with terrorism and border control would of obviously prevented any of this from happening. Got it.

 

Lets ignore the fact that ammonium nitrate is a key ingredient in fertilizer and is going to be found in a fertilizer factory in massive amounts, and the fact that this was reported to the EPA and 2 other local regulatory agencies. The way everyone seems to be so shocked you'd assume that it was stored in some residential basement and not in a giant factory that uses it as a key ingredient.

 

You're also making the unbacked assumption that this was caused by this factory running without oversight with little to back up the claim. There is not one article that backs up that this explosion was preventable or caused by negligence. Fires happen and even fires in highly inspected chemical facilities get bad quickly.

 

Lack of oversight doesn't automatically imply that lack of oversight caused the explosion.

 

From your huffpo article.

 

Fire safety experts suspect that a fire ignited the ammonium nitrate pellets stored on site, and that in turn may have caused the pressurized contents of cannisters of another ammonia substance to expand and explode outward with tremendous force. Investigators have not yet released a determination of the cause.

 

Anything else is pure speculation.

 

 

It was caused by them storing 1350x the legal amount of ammonium nitrate. That's quite a big oversight.

 

I simply asked for a source that this was the cause. Not one of your 6 sources makes that claim.

Edited by Emo Nemo

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It was caused by them storing 1350x the legal amount of ammonium nitrate. That's quite a big oversight.

 

Do you have a source for that?

 

They had 540k lbs of ammonium nitrate. I doubt a factory would be able to hold only roughly 400lbs. Especially when the EPA was aware that they stored that amount in 2012.

 

@Arianna this factory was on the outskirts of town. Zoning it in an industrial district would of resulted in it killing much more people than it did. Potentially leveling out the rest of the district.

 

Zoning it out into the middle of no where would of resulted in a huge waste of land. This is assuming that the city didn't build itself around the fertilizer plant to begin with.

 

All you had to do was type in how much ammonium nitrate did they have at the fertilizer plant in West, Texas.

 

http://usnews.nbcnew...igger-oversight

 

http://www.reuters.c...E93J09N20130420

 

http://www.nytimes.c...wanted=all&_r=0

 

I know it makes for good headlines but what exactly would the DHS would of done to prevent this? Especially when this information was already sent to several other regulatory agencies.

 

They deal with terrorism and border control. They have nothing to do with chemical regulation. There is nothing that they would of done to prevent this.

 

3 different regulation agencies but that still isn't enough? How much more bureaucratic do we need to be?

 

It's not that there's not people in place to take care of it's just that they didn't do their job, and since I know you'll ask for sources and won't bother to look for it yourself:

 

http://www.theatlant...-decades/64469/

 

http://www.huffingto..._n_3134202.html

 

http://www.dailymail...n-30-YEARS.html

 

So adding another agency that deals with terrorism and border control would of obviously prevented any of this from happening. Got it.

 

Lets ignore the fact that ammonium nitrate is a key ingredient in fertilizer and is going to be found in a fertilizer factory in massive amounts, and the fact that this was reported to the EPA and 2 other local regulatory agencies. The way everyone seems to be so shocked you'd assume that it was stored in some residential basement and not in a giant factory that uses it as a key ingredient.

 

You're also making the unbacked assumption that this was caused by this factory running without oversight with little to back up the claim. There is not one article that backs up that this explosion was preventable or caused by negligence. Fires happen and even fires in highly inspected chemical facilities get bad quickly.

 

Lack of oversight doesn't automatically imply that lack of oversight caused the explosion.

 

From your huffpo article.

 

Fire safety experts suspect that a fire ignited the ammonium nitrate pellets stored on site, and that in turn may have caused the pressurized contents of cannisters of another ammonia substance to expand and explode outward with tremendous force. Investigators have not yet released a determination of the cause.

 

Anything else is pure speculation.

 

 

It was caused by them storing 1350x the legal amount of ammonium nitrate. That's quite a big oversight.

 

I simply asked for a source that this was the cause. Not one of your 6 sources makes that claim.

 

 

I suppose my choice of wording was pretty bad, but if you can kindly point to anything else that could have possibly caused an explosion of that scale then I'll gladly accept that there's something else that could have happened.

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I suppose my choice of wording was pretty bad, but if you can kindly point to anything else that could have possibly caused an explosion of that scale then I'll gladly accept that there's something else that could have happened.

 

Fire safety experts suspect that a fire ignited the ammonium nitrate pellets stored on site, and that in turn may have caused the pressurized contents of cannisters of another ammonia substance to expand and explode outward with tremendous force. Investigators have not yet released a determination of the cause.
From the huffpo source.

 

Now I can't argue definitively that a fire wasn't preventable but chemical fires in factories do happen.

 

Sorry if the debate got a little heated by the way.

 

All in all I think we need more information before jumping to conclusions.

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