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Introducing - Bonds!

 

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[Tigerwing0]

Huh...

 

Guess I don't have anything against this.

 

Wonder what the trade value for these bonds will be, though. Gf when half a month of members is 100m gp.

[Fabio]

RS selling coins, I called this like when SOF was released!!

[Azarath]

At current price Jagex is selling gold at 20p per million.

[Hunter]

Bonds are selling at <7.5M per item, currently. Or when I was on which was a couple of hours ago. So they're not too expensive, since they're still dropping I think.

[Adam?]

what a confusing update

[Egghebrecht]

can I sell ingame stuff for real money now?

or can i only trade those things for membership etc again?

 

I'll make a long question short

can I sell my 600-700m bank worth and my rares for real moneys now?

Edited September 26, 2013 by Egghebrecht

[O hai im KAMIL]

can I sell ingame stuff for real money now?

or can i only trade those things for membership etc again?

 

I'll make a long question short

can I sell my 600-700m bank worth and my rares for real moneys now?

 

You could buy bonds in-game, then sell them to players for a little under what they would cost from Jagex I suppose.

[Egghebrecht]

can I sell ingame stuff for real money now?

or can i only trade those things for membership etc again?

 

I'll make a long question short

can I sell my 600-700m bank worth and my rares for real moneys now?

 

You could buy bonds in-game, then sell them to players for a little under what they would cost from Jagex I suppose.

still against the rules I suppose :P

[O hai im KAMIL]

can I sell ingame stuff for real money now?

or can i only trade those things for membership etc again?

 

I'll make a long question short

can I sell my 600-700m bank worth and my rares for real moneys now?

 

You could buy bonds in-game, then sell them to players for a little under what they would cost from Jagex I suppose.

still against the rules I suppose :P

 

Worried about getting banned in a game you don't play anymore? :P

[Egghebrecht]

can I sell ingame stuff for real money now?

or can i only trade those things for membership etc again?

 

I'll make a long question short

can I sell my 600-700m bank worth and my rares for real moneys now?

 

You could buy bonds in-game, then sell them to players for a little under what they would cost from Jagex I suppose.

still against the rules I suppose :P

 

Worried about getting banned in a game you don't play anymore? :P

nah it's just that I was expecting some kind of auctioning house and jagex taking it's share of the RWT profit

like in diablo etc

[Sukid]

I'm ok with this. Lets you pay ingame money for membership and doesn't shoot down the cost of resources the way gold farmers do. Doesn't introduce any coins into the game either, just provides a unique resource to use to get coins from other players.

 

I figured it was pretty much inevitable. This is probably the best way they could have gone about it. I just wish they'd done it sooner. $5 for 5m would have been awesome back in the old days but it doesn't seem like 5m is all that much anymore.

[Sparhawke]

Thought I would just pop in for a look and then saw this topic so went to check it out, looks like one of my regular daily trades could get me a months membership at this rate, which is great :D

[Sobend]

This is a bit confusing. Are RS run RWT things going on now, or is it not quite that yet? And if this isn't RWT how does this eliminate gold farming?

 

If it's the former I'm probably quitting for good, which isn't saying much since I don't play regularly.

Edited September 29, 2013 by Sobend

[Twist of Fate]

Wow I'm really glad he took the time to address us personally about this in that video. Kinda reminds me of a state of the union address or something. Definitely has been a problem for as long as the game's been in existence but I'm glad they finally found an option they're happy with. It has its problems but what doesn't?

[Micael Fatia]

This is a bit confusing. Are RS run RWT things going on now, or is it not quite that yet? And if this isn't RWT how does this eliminate gold farming?

 

If it's the former I'm probably quitting for good, which isn't saying much since I don't play regularly.

It's basically like this: you can buy this new item called bond with real money, an item you can exchange (not exactly sure how it works) for RuneScape membership days, Runecoins or SoF spins. This new item is tradeable, meaning it'll have the price players give it. Right now a bond costs 5-6M, in the day of release it was worth something like 14-15M. It's crashing but will probably stabilize at around 5Mish, maybe slightly less. Not sure how much real money a bond costs, but I think it's something like US$5/€4.

So yes, I guess it's RWT. You can basically buy items with real money that you can sell for RuneScape money.

I guess Jagex considers it will eliminate gold farming because it's a 'legal' way of buying gold meaning gold farming bots will become obsolete. I just don't understand why Jagex thinks this is better than gold farming bots, at least gold farming bots were against the rules meaning there was a chance they would get caught and banned. Jagex basically decided that if there's nothing they can do to stop the gold farmers then at least it should be them making the money.

 

It's not all bad though, at least it gives RuneScape players who can't afford to spend real money in the game means to buy membership or Runecoins to buy cosmetic items with gold they make playing. But of course there's the reverse of the coin: basically rich kids will be able to use their money to gain an unfair advantage.

[Sukid]

Jagex basically decided that if there's nothing they can do to stop the gold farmers then at least it should be them making the money.

That's pretty much it. Yeah its sad that rich kids are going to be able to exploit it but the affect on the runescape economy is, at least, less of a disaster than gold farmers, and this brings the possibility of saying goodbye to bots swarming around resources. Plus the fact that not all gold farmers are "legit" and can end up stealing credit cards or what have you. At least this is safe.

I just think maybe there should be a bit more you can get for bonds. Again back in the old days bonds would have probably been even more awesome, seeing as membership was just $5 back then thus bonds would provide a full month. That would probably crank up their value a bit if bonds were increased to 30 days of membership, or at least 21.

 

Too bad SoF spins are part of the reward, like anyone's gonna go for that. I swear, if I were able to choose between bonds and SoF I'd take bonds in a heartbeat. >_>

Edited September 29, 2013 by Sukid

[reepicheep]

basically rich kids will be able to use their money to gain an unfair advantage.

Definitely true, but I think one important thing to remember is that in Runescape, unlike, say, CoD, competitive play isn't necessarily what it is about. You can certainly choose to play competitively, but it's not a requirement and as such I think that pay-to-win is less problematic. Plus even with the cash you still have to spend a pretty significant time actually skilling to get anywhere.

[Sparhawke]

basically rich kids will be able to use their money to gain an unfair advantage.

Definitely true, but I think one important thing to remember is that in Runescape, unlike, say, CoD, competitive play isn't necessarily what it is about. You can certainly choose to play competitively, but it's not a requirement and as such I think that pay-to-win is less problematic. Plus even with the cash you still have to spend a pretty significant time actually skilling to get anywhere.

 

And therein lies the crux, in something like BF3 or COD as you mentioned there are hacks to shoot around corners with a headshot every time, grenades that can take out entire maps, armour that bends bullets so you never take a hit and they can all can break a game, even if you are a level one player. With this you can sell them for money and get a small boost but honestly, the 6.6M I paid yesterday for a bond is not really that much at all. You can get yourself a few resources and a suit of armour but you still need the skill and knowledge to use it and this is simply a way to funnel resources through the game rather than into the hands of the botters.

 

In a few months I think the prices of these will be stable enough to be able to say 1$ = 1M (5M per bond) and maybe a bit more if you are lucky but why should Jagex have to cut the prices to the level of botters (they honestly do not care) and why should players have to give away many more millions to be on the same level field as them too?

 

A player if they have enough seed cash can easily make enough money over the longer term to cover the cost of membership through the GE or with Slaying, but the occasional 6M is not going to get the gold buyers there unless they are exceptional. For a reasonably wealthy player who can afford the nice things in the game, but one who isn't worth billions maybe if they sold 1-2% of their wealth every month to players who may be struggling to get a foothold it could be good, I for one haven't got any disposable income right now to spend on gaming and if someone wants to fund it that is fine by me.

 

The vast amount of the gold buyers told of in that video are single buyers, who do not make a habit of it and I think that due to that they will prefer to do it in a very safe manner without putting their computers at risk, if they were smart enough to even consider that.

 

Gaming has changed over the last 30+ years, and more so particularly in the last few years than the decades previously. What was unacceptable 10 years ago is now the norm with smartphone games everywhere so Jagex needs to adapt, rather than them selling the gold and pumping their billions into the economy they are allowing the users to funnel their wealth and with the 10% tax that will also in time help somewhat to take money out of the game. The vast majority of kids that now play modern games are used to buying small bits of gold and outright banning it is simply not going to work.

 

I think in future we will see even more things available to acquire through these, I for one always like extra bank space.

Edited September 29, 2013 by Sparhawke

[Micael Fatia]

basically rich kids will be able to use their money to gain an unfair advantage.

Definitely true, but I think one important thing to remember is that in Runescape, unlike, say, CoD, competitive play isn't necessarily what it is about. You can certainly choose to play competitively, but it's not a requirement and as such I think that pay-to-win is less problematic. Plus even with the cash you still have to spend a pretty significant time actually skilling to get anywhere.

It doesn't matter, it's still extremely unfair. Imagine this situation, a player like myself (I'm far from being an expert, in a lot of things I'm a complete noob) would take like half a year to make the 100M required to buy 99 Herblore (and before some smartass goes and says "but omg it's possible to make 5M/hour now!", yes sure it is but that's if you're a player that's obsessed with efficiency. I much prefer to play the game in a fun way and not sit in the dark repeating the same boring tasks over and over for countless hours) while someone who has quite a lot of real money available to spend could make the same amount of gp in the 5-10 minutes it takes to buy the bonds and sell them on the GE.

I don't have the problem I mentioned above because I do actually have sufficient gp to buy 99 Herblore, and even I didn't have, I could afford to spend real money to buy bonds if I wanted. But no matter how you look at it it's still extremely unfair for a considerable number of players. Would it not piss you off to have to spend half a year to make the money some rich guy can make in 10 minutes with absolutely no effort?

 

It is true like Sparhawke said that it still requires time to train a skill to 99 using the bought gp, but if you don't have the gp then it takes two, three or four times longer to get said 99. Competitive game or not it's friggin' unfair. It's like botting basically if you think about it. The point of a bot is to save you time you are not willing to invest playing the game and buying gp is the exact same thing, it saves you from having to spend time making the gp.

 

Edit:

I think in future we will see even more things available to acquire through these, I for one always like extra bank space.

You can already do this btw, you can exchange the bonds you can buy with gp for Runecoins and you can use the Runecoins to buy bank boosters.

 

I'm not complaining about the whole situation, we all knew this would eventually happen since the release of the SoF. I will continue playing the game and having fun, because I for one never cared about the competitive part of the game so it doesn't affect me. If anything makes my life easier, the day I run out of money I can just buy gold instead of making the money if I reach a point I really can't be bothered to make my own money playing the game - something I hope never happens. And it's something I could not do before even if I wanted because I absolutely refuse to break rules to gain unfair advantages over other players.

But that it is unfair is something that's undeniable.

Edited September 29, 2013 by Micael Fatia

[reepicheep]

basically rich kids will be able to use their money to gain an unfair advantage.

Definitely true, but I think one important thing to remember is that in Runescape, unlike, say, CoD, competitive play isn't necessarily what it is about. You can certainly choose to play competitively, but it's not a requirement and as such I think that pay-to-win is less problematic. Plus even with the cash you still have to spend a pretty significant time actually skilling to get anywhere.

It doesn't matter, it's still extremely unfair. Imagine this situation, a player like myself (I'm far from being an expert, in a lot of things I'm a complete noob) would take like half a year to make the 100M required to buy 99 Herblore (and before some smartass goes and says "but omg it's possible to make 5M/hour now!", yes sure it is but that's if you're a player that's obsessed with efficiency. I much prefer to play the game in a fun way and not sit in the dark repeating the same boring tasks over and over for countless hours) while someone who has quite a lot of real money available to spend could make the same amount of gp in the 5-10 minutes it takes to buy the bonds and sell them on the GE.

I don't have the problem I mentioned above because I do actually have sufficient gp to buy 99 Herblore, and even I didn't have, I could afford to spend real money to buy bonds if I wanted. But no matter how you look at it it's still extremely unfair for a considerable number of players. Would it not piss you off to have to spend half a year to make the money some rich guy can make in 10 minutes with absolutely no effort?

 

It is true like Sparhawke said that it still requires time to train a skill to 99 using the bought gp, but if you don't have the gp then it takes two, three or four times longer to get said 99. Competitive game or not it's friggin' unfair. It's like botting basically if you think about it. The point of a bot is to save you time you are not willing to invest playing the game and buying gp is the exact same thing, it saves you from having to spend time making the gp.

 

Edit:

I think in future we will see even more things available to acquire through these, I for one always like extra bank space.

You can already do this btw, you can exchange the bonds you can buy with gp for Runecoins and you can use the Runecoins to buy bank boosters.

 

I'm not complaining about the whole situation, we all knew this would eventually happen since the release of the SoF. I will continue playing the game and having fun, because I for one never cared about the competitive part of the game so it doesn't affect me. If anything makes my life easier, the day I run out of money I can just buy gold instead of making the money if I reach a point I really can't be bothered to make my own money playing the game - something I hope never happens. And it's something I could not do before even if I wanted because I absolutely refuse to break rules to gain unfair advantages over other players.

But that it is unfair is something that's undeniable.

You make a good point. I was going to say that there weren't going to be many people buying bonds anyway until I realised 1) yes they would because otherwise RWT wouldn't be a thing and 2) I know I probably would have when I was 14 :P

[Micael Fatia]

Would it not piss you off to have to spend half a year to make the money some rich guy can make in 10 minutes with absolutely no effort?

What about a high level player who can make what it takes a low level player a year to save up in 10 minutes? Should levels and skills be banned because they're unfair to new players or unfair to people who can't spend a lot of time online?

 

Just a thought. :P

The difference is that the high level player had to work hard to get the levels that allow him to make a lot more money than the newbie players. This assuming said high level player did not bot or buy gold obviously.

 

Buying gold requires absolutely no work at all, sure you can argue you have to work for your irl money but come on there's a big difference. And not all the players have to work for the money they invest in the game, some have parents who do the work for them.

[Micael Fatia]

Would it not piss you off to have to spend half a year to make the money some rich guy can make in 10 minutes with absolutely no effort?

What about a high level player who can make what it takes a low level player a year to save up in 10 minutes? Should levels and skills be banned because they're unfair to new players or unfair to people who can't spend a lot of time online?

 

Just a thought. :P

The difference is that the high level player had to work hard to get the levels that allow him to make a lot more money than the newbie players. This assuming said high level player did not bot or buy gold obviously.

 

Buying gold requires absolutely no work at all, sure you can argue you have to work for your irl money but come on there's a big difference. And not all the players have to work for the money they invest in the game, some have parents who do the work for them.

What if I don't have time to work hard in the game? Isn't unfair that I can't do everything that other players can do, just because I'm in a different position in real life than them? Isn't this the same issue- where real life ability affects game ability

Then don't play the game. You might not have time to play because you use your time in a different way, intead of playing Runescape you might prefer to watch TV or read a book instead while another person might prefer the exact opposite. Why should you be able to do what you prefer (watch TV or read a book whatever) AND have the same levels or items of a player who instead had to work hard for his levels and items simply because you have more money than said player?

What you're saying is basically equivalent to 'if player A can't have fun then nobody can'. Sucks that player A cannot play as much as the other players but that's the way the game is. The top players are simply the ones who are willing to invest the most time playing the game, the same way the people who win skill competitions are the ones who spend the most time playing. I won the RC competition not because I'm a better RCer than Dei Wei or Jna but because it was a competition I really wanted to win and as such played for longer than them.

Buying money on the other hand is different, it's rewarding the lazy. Player B can have all the time in the world to play and not play because he considers making gp boring, yet he wants the cool items the gp buys and decides to use the real money his parents earned and gave him to buy the items. That has nothing to do with being able to play or not, it's about a certain lazy person buying his way into success.

[reepicheep]

Would it not piss you off to have to spend half a year to make the money some rich guy can make in 10 minutes with absolutely no effort?

What about a high level player who can make what it takes a low level player a year to save up in 10 minutes? Should levels and skills be banned because they're unfair to new players or unfair to people who can't spend a lot of time online?

 

Just a thought. :P

The difference is that the high level player had to work hard to get the levels that allow him to make a lot more money than the newbie players. This assuming said high level player did not bot or buy gold obviously.

 

Buying gold requires absolutely no work at all, sure you can argue you have to work for your irl money but come on there's a big difference. And not all the players have to work for the money they invest in the game, some have parents who do the work for them.

What if I don't have time to work hard in the game? Isn't unfair that I can't do everything that other players can do, just because I'm in a different position in real life than them? Isn't this the same issue- where real life ability affects game ability

I definitely think that your situation in real life should have nothing to do with games. If you don't have the time to be super competitive, you don't have the time.

[20000_Posts]

So can someone tell me how much gp it costs to buy a month's membership?

 

I logged in yesterday to see that the game runs at like 20 fps (LOL). What a nightmare.