Multilogging is... allowed??

[-Leaf-]

I don't know what to say.

 

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[Shooter585]

Yeah, I'm not sure when this changed but I think it's been going on for at least a couple months. I know of people who train their main and pure at the same time, for instance. I don't really like it, but rules are rules. You still aren't allowed to do two different game versions on the same account.

[tea pls]

I'll just CC my post here from the reddit topic

 

I really wish there was no non-sense about this. It's quite silly that there is tape between accounts like this. If it is that serious of a problem why not have an umbrella account with multiple 'character accounts' within it. Simply login with your username and select character 1, 2 or 3 etc. This way, there is no possible way they can interact because they are on the same account essentially. The user would have to create an entire 'new umbrella account' to create a new character that it can interact with or 'multilog'. This is a VERY common thing in MMO's.

[Sobend]

I never minded the separate game versions rule much. The other rule, I don't know. It's pretty sad to think someone could use multilogging to gain a huge advantage. I'm sure many of those front page highscore guys use multilogging. Tons of streamers do it too.

 

Right now they say "Use common sense" which is ridiculous. Rules and laws exist because people's definition of "common sense" or "moral code" varies.

[Army of One]

Look, as long as there is 0% account interaction , it 's fine. My two accounts have never interacted (unless you count both being in the same Clan Chat) and I plan on keeping it that way.

It's simple, and doesn't matter what games they are. I don't get how people are confused about this

[-Leaf-]

I'm getting the feeling that ppl (except sobend ) are not reading the cited posts before replying.

 

Read the posts, and you'll find see that they say you can interact and transfer wealth as long as no rules are broken to acquire said wealth. This makes the whole multilogging rule pretty much nonexistent.

Edited May 23, 2014 by -Leaf-

[O hai im KAMIL]

This makes the whole multilogging rule pretty much nonexistent.

 

Good. People are going to multi-log regardless of what the rules say and if the person is a genuine player then there is no harm done. If people want to play on multiple accounts, why the hell shouldn't they.

 

It's pretty sad to think someone could use multilogging to gain a huge advantage.

How so?

[Sobend]

It's pretty sad to think someone could use multilogging to gain a huge advantage.

How so?

The possibilities are endless. More GE spots for flipping, using alts to get some fast minigames done, yada yada.

[O hai im KAMIL]

It's pretty sad to think someone could use multilogging to gain a huge advantage.

How so?

The possibilities are endless. More GE spots for flipping, using alts to get some fast minigames done, yada yada.

 

That's not really a huge advantage; the same can be done with friends/clanmates.

[Army of One]

I'm getting the feeling that ppl (except sobend ) are not reading the cited posts before replying.

 

Read the posts, and you'll find see that they say you can interact and transfer wealth as long as no rules are broken to acquire said wealth. This makes the whole multilogging rule pretty much nonexistent.

I took a look at the second post, and jesus, that got me a bit worked up. What?? Sorry for not reading this earlier before posting btw

Damn, that is bad.

If a player has earned the wealth legitimately, and is trading the wealth legitimately, it's up to them what they do with it. People did it before I made the post, people will do it after - it's part of the modern game.

I see where you're coming from now - all of my WHAT. That is terrible, pretty much, and I reckon interaction should be against the rules. Not just because I haven't been doing any, but because of something that was brought to my attention by an "A Friend" video - you can multilog, say, 5 accounts, gather Frost Dragon Bones on 5 accounts, transfer them to your main, and make money 5 times as fast. I believe this is some of the huge advantage stuff Sobend was talking about.

Edited May 24, 2014 by Army of One

[O hai im KAMIL]

you can multilog, say, 5 accounts, gather Frost Dragon Bones on 5 accounts, transfer them to your main, and make money 5 times as fast. I believe this is some of the huge advantage stuff Sobend was talking about.

 

If someone has the persistence to not only level up and unlock frost dragons, but then also to slay them on 5 accounts (doubt anyone would multilog more than 2 or 3 accounts but w/e) then hey, good for them. Training 5 accounts at once takes a long amount of time and no one would realistically do that.

 

People are going to multi-log regardless. Anyone can do it. No one has an advantage over anyone.

[-Leaf-]

Training 5 accounts at once takes a long amount of time and no one would realistically do that.

You'd be surprised. In my clan alone over half the clan members have 2 accounts logged in at any given time, and are going for comp on both accounts. Can't imagine what it would be like in some of the bigger clans like maxed and EE.

 

 

There is actually a ton of stuff alts can help with that do not require high levels. Warbands are a prime example. Actually, the warband issue is so profound that it probably deserves its own topic. Being able to make 10m per hour per account at lv1 all stats is beyond broken.

 

and as for this:

the same can be done with friends/clanmates.

Yes, it CAN be done with friends, but the thing is: are you really going to find someone that is willing to give you all the rocktails they catch, or let you kill them in wildy 5000 times, or loot warbands for you, or forfeit stealing creation matches, and so on... without expecting any kind of compensation in return?

[Shooter585]

Even if there is no wealth transferred it still can be used unfairly. For example, I once saw someone play the Great Orb Project with 4 accounts, 1 main and 3 random accounts with 50 runecrafting. It was rigged so the main would always win and therefore get twice(?) as many tokens as playing 50/50.

[Kemosabe]

I'm honestly not that fussed about it. To me it doesn't matter if they get an 'unfair advantage' because in reality, in my eyes, it's not really an advantage because I'm not directly competing with everyone who plays. How fast someone can make money or train doesn't affect how I play the game, so therefore it doesn't matter to me.

[-Leaf-]

I'm honestly not that fussed about it. To me it doesn't matter if they get an 'unfair advantage' because in reality, in my eyes, it's not really an advantage because I'm not directly competing with everyone who plays. How fast someone can make money or train doesn't affect how I play the game, so therefore it doesn't matter to me.

That's not to say there aren't people who do play for competition though.

 

most Seasonals are heavily based on abusing alts. See this:

http://services.runescape.com/m=temp-hiscores/a=13/ranking?id=1400367600015&filter=-1&page=1

 

The person in first place is using alts to win, and has gone unchallenged for almost every single Heist hiscores to date.

 

If the only way to beat them is to join them, then there's a problem. It discourages legitimate competition.

[O hai im KAMIL]

I'm honestly not that fussed about it. To me it doesn't matter if they get an 'unfair advantage' because in reality, in my eyes, it's not really an advantage because I'm not directly competing with everyone who plays. How fast someone can make money or train doesn't affect how I play the game, so therefore it doesn't matter to me.

That's not to say there aren't people who do play for competition though.

 

most Seasonals are heavily based on abusing alts. See this:

http://services.rune...ilter=-1&page=1

 

The person in first place is using alts to win, and has gone unchallenged for almost every single Heist hiscores to date.

 

If the only way to beat them is to join them, then there's a problem. It discourages legitimate competition.

 

Didn't you get Leo to help you during the LP healed seasonal? Same principle as using alts. If someone doesn't have a clan or fc, then you've got an "unfair" advantage over them.

[Sobend]

An update:

 

Updated Rules:

Multiple logging-in

 

You are free to create as many accounts as you like and you are welcome to trade between your accounts just as you would with any other legitimate player.

However, if any of your accounts obtained wealth by rule breaking activity for example macro use (botting) or real world trading (buying gold or items from 3rd parties) then all your accounts will be banned.

 

Similarly, multi-logged accounts must not interact with each other to exploit gameplay mechanics, such as attempting to rig the result of a minigame.

 

Trading wealth or items between your own accounts is done entirely at your own risk. Unconventional trade methods like drop-, death- or trust-trades are particularly risky and we strongly advise against them.

 

You may log into multiple accounts across all versions of RuneScape at the same time, however any account you are using must not be involved in any

rule breaking or exploitative activity. Any penalties or sanction for such behaviour will be applied to all of your accounts.

 

Why do we have this rule?

 

We have this rule as part of our procedures to monitor and deal with people who choose to real world trade, gold farm and use macros. People who move wealth between accounts they own and have gained that wealth unfairly or by breaking other game rules can expect to be banned.

 

Buying, selling or sharing an account

Each account should only be used by one person. Never share your account with anyone else, doing so will likely get the account banned. Players may not sell, share, transfer or lend their account to anyone else. Players should not accept an account that anybody else offers, as they may be stolen, and this could lead to your own account being disabled!

 

Why do we have this rule?

 

We have this rule for a number of reasons:

 

- We have this rule as part of our procedures to preserve the integrity of the game and player’s hard earned achievements. The hiscores are there to measure the achievement of an individual, not a group of players or 3rd party. Also, if disputes occur or friendships breakdown, it can lead to at least one of the parties permanently losing access to the account or having it stripped of wealth and items.

- Additionally, many of the accounts on sale are stolen, and people who share accounts run the risk that the person using the account won't give it back, or that the person will break a game rule causing the account to be banned or muted for which the account creator will be accountable.

 

http://services.runescape.com/m=forum/forums.ws?14,15,217,65380526

 

I dislike how they say sharing an account devalues hard work but playing on 10 accounts to make money and then transporting all of that money to one account does not...?

[-Leaf-]

Didn't you get Leo to help you during the LP healed seasonal? Same principle as using alts. If someone doesn't have a clan or fc, then you've got an "unfair" advantage over them.

Yes, it CAN be done with friends, but the thing is: are you really going to find someone that is willing to give you all the rocktails they catch, or let you kill them in wildy 5000 times, or loot warbands for you, or forfeit stealing creation matches, and so on... without expecting any kind of compensation in return?

For that specific case you mentioned, Leo helped me for a total of about 2 hours, which represents 4% of the total time I spent doing the competition, and I offered compensation at a rate of 2m per hour if I recall correctly. If I had multi logged, I would have been able to have that account help me 100% of the time and at zero cost.

 

 

 

but let's put that aside in order to discuss this update.

 

 

I feel that it is still rather vague with the "exploit gameplay mechanics" part. Just how far does that go? Does allowing yourself to be killed for kc in the wilderness count as an exploit? How about selling warband loot?

 

 

One thing that has been made clear is that you can transfer wealth. Personally I would consider this far more of an exploit than boosting minigames, because it bypasses restrictions that were purposefully set in place, such as the 4 hour ge limit, dailies, and rates of resource gathering.

 

You could double, triple, or more your gp gains doing some sort of afk skilling like rocktails. You could buy out battlestaves from the GE and Naff then sell in bulk for a much inflated price on the forums. You could more effectively flip drygores with their notorious 1 per 4 hour limit. The list goes on.

 

 

I'm not sure I like this.

[Sobend]

It seems to me they just picked the options that would get them the most money, e.g. multiple accounts with membership. They don't care about competitive playing anymore. Too bad for the people who do this, it will never be the same.

[Army of One]

You could double, triple, or more your gp gains doing some sort of afk skilling like rocktails. You could buy out battlestaves from the GE and Naff then sell in bulk for a much inflated price on the forums. You could more effectively flip drygores with their notorious 1 per 4 hour limit. The list goes on.

 

 

I'm not sure I like this.

I agree with you wholeheartedly that this is A. The main problem behind being allowed to transfer wealth and B. I don't like it. Mod Balance said "it's part of the modern game" well get rid of it from the modern game! You could start by making it against the rules at least!

[O hai im KAMIL]

I'm not sure I like this.

 

Meh. A person will have to pay for membership for all of their accounts. That's essentially the same as buying bonds with USD and selling it for gold. Honestly you guys make this bigger than it is - people will always have an unfair advantage. I'm disadvantaged because I wasn't around when party/santa hats were first released. If someone wants to spend time, and money, to gain an economic advantage, let them. It's only their loss in the end.

 

Besides, multiloggers gonna multilog regardless and it's hard/impossible to determine who's transferring wealth between accounts so why bother.

[Sobend]

By the way, it is still possible to rig minigames with alts without technically breaking any rules. Jagex said you can't have your alts playing the same minigame together to rig it, but what they did not say is you can't rig minigames. Just get somebody else with alts to help you, play a minigame with his/her alts while that somebody else plays against your alts. If people haven't figured this out yet they will very soon.