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Making a topic for a member's birthday is a bit much, so post in this thread when you want to congratulate somebody for being born!

 

You can view everybody who has a birthday today by going to the calendar.

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I disagree - that is kinda the thing that the Scape Lounge is meant for - if a birthday message thread dies out, it dies out. If anything, it generates more activity to have more individual threads than yet another long list thread that no one looks at.

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I disagree - that is kinda the thing that the Scape Lounge is meant for - if a birthday message thread dies out, it dies out. If anything, it generates more activity to have more individual threads than yet another long list thread that no one looks at.

Let's say there's about 100 members whose birthdays are worth mentioning (in addition to current active members, I'm sure we will reminisce upon those who are inactive yet well-known). 100/365 = 0.274. Therefore, a birthday will occur on 27.4% of days, or perhaps multiple on one day, which I'm sure you can see is quite a percentage. If we were to post a birthday topic for every member whom we could otherwise congratulate in this topic, it would be, of course, 1 topic every 3.65 days.

 

To put that into perspective, in the past month (exactly 30 days), 3 threads have been made, including this one. That's an average of 1 every 10 days. Without this topic, we can go ahead and have 72.6% of topics in the Scape Lounge be birthday topics.

 

I don't think that we should do that.

 

This has already undergone overwhelming approval in the mod batcave, by the way. -.-

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It's worked for 10 years, but ok, whatever :P

 

But happy bday Knight Haleth!!!

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But it hasn't, arguably. So many important birthdays are going unnoticed, on such a regular basis!

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September 23rd guys only 15 days away mark your calendars!

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I disagree - that is kinda the thing that the Scape Lounge is meant for - if a birthday message thread dies out, it dies out. If anything, it generates more activity to have more individual threads than yet another long list thread that no one looks at.

Let's say there's about 100 members whose birthdays are worth mentioning (in addition to current active members, I'm sure we will reminisce upon those who are inactive yet well-known). 100/365 = 0.274. Therefore, a birthday will occur on 27.4% of days, or perhaps multiple on one day, which I'm sure you can see is quite a percentage. If we were to post a birthday topic for every member whom we could otherwise congratulate in this topic, it would be, of course, 1 topic every 3.65 days.

 

To put that into perspective, in the past month (exactly 30 days), 3 threads have been made, including this one. That's an average of 1 every 10 days. Without this topic, we can go ahead and have 72.6% of topics in the Scape Lounge be birthday topics.

 

I don't think that we should do that.

 

This has already undergone overwhelming approval in the mod batcave, by the way. -.-

The actual amount of topics being posted (3 in 30 days) completely discredits the generous example you gave right above it.

 

Now we have a dead topic and 3 less threds this month. What a compromise.

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The actual amount of topics being posted (3 in 30 days) completely discredits the generous example you gave right above it.

 

Now we have a dead topic and 3 less threds this month. What a compromise.

Generous example? If you click on a few random dates on the calendar, I can assure you that the percentage of birthdays that may otherwise be mentioned in this topic exceed 27.4%. It could be lower if, perhaps, you disregarded somebody who is perceived as too insignificant to mention a birthday, but that's an essential point of this topic.

 

I'm not sure whether you meant "generous" sarcastically or not, because I may be pointing out the above paragraph futilely. I'm not very good at detecting such a thing through the Internet, so sorry. :P

 

Also, I'm not quite sure what you mean by "3 fewer threads this month," leaving aside the suppositive proposition of a dead thread. The only thing I mentioned about three threads was that the past month has seen three in the Scape Lounge. Total. Not birthday topics.

 

Even if it is the case that this decrescence of topics will occur to such an extent that you find it undesirable, presumably in terms of activity, I don't see the detriment. Activity is determined by how much discussion exists. Topics are not representative of that. Rather, they exist for organization, just as forums and subforums do. (In fact, we quite often seem to argue that combining forums will increase activity. On a smaller scale but in an analogically identical manner, combining topics will increase activity.) The only difference in the actual amount of posts that will result is that, as I mentioned above, those members for whom a birthday isn't usually wished are now more likely to receive their much-needed felicitations. -.-

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The actual amount of topics being posted (3 in 30 days) completely discredits the generous example you gave right above it.

 

Now we have a dead topic and 3 less threds this month. What a compromise.

Generous example? If you click on a few random dates on the calendar, I can assure you that the percentage of birthdays that may otherwise be mentioned in this topic exceed 27.4%. It could be lower if, perhaps, you disregarded somebody who is perceived as too insignificant to mention a birthday, but that's an essential point of this topic.

 

I'm not sure whether you meant "generous" sarcastically or not, because I may be pointing out the above paragraph futilely. I'm not very good at detecting such a thing through the Internet, so sorry. :P

 

Also, I'm not quite sure what you mean by "3 fewer threads this month," leaving aside the suppositive proposition of a dead thread. The only thing I mentioned about three threads was that the past month has seen three in the Scape Lounge. Total. Not birthday topics.

 

Even if it is the case that this decrescence of topics will occur to such an extent that you find it undesirable, presumably in terms of activity, I don't see the detriment. Activity is determined by how much discussion exists. Topics are not representative of that. Rather, they exist for organization, just as forums and subforums do. (In fact, we quite often seem to argue that combining forums will increase activity. On a smaller scale but in an analogically identical manner, combining topics will increase activity.) The only difference in the actual amount of posts that will result is that, as I mentioned above, those members for whom a birthday isn't usually wished are now more likely to receive their much-needed felicitations. -.-

 

I highly doubt I'm the only who checks the recent topics widget type thing on the main forum page. That's how I know when someone has posted something and whether or not it'll be something I want to read. If you stick all the birthday posts in a single topic then I can pretty much guarantee that I and others who browse the forum like I do won't see new posts here at all.

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Personally I've always disliked having too many stickies especially when they don't have much of an use, but I feel this isn't the case here. For someone like me a topic like this can be pretty useful as it allows me to wish a happy birthday to members I know but that the majority of the users have no idea who they are. Never liked having to create new topics everytime it's the birthday of someone I know hence why I've taken to using status updates to do it.

Doesn't mean the arguments of the people opposing this topic are not valid, I can see where they are coming from and I can agree. I do believe this is a case where a compromise can be easily reached to make everyone happy - allow the topic to remain stickied for people to post birthdays here if they feel like it, but do not make it so that you're only allowed to post here for the members who prefer to create whole new topics to celebrate birthdays.

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The actual amount of topics being posted (3 in 30 days) completely discredits the generous example you gave right above it.

 

Now we have a dead topic and 3 less threds this month. What a compromise.

Generous example? If you click on a few random dates on the calendar, I can assure you that the percentage of birthdays that may otherwise be mentioned in this topic exceed 27.4%. It could be lower if, perhaps, you disregarded somebody who is perceived as too insignificant to mention a birthday, but that's an essential point of this topic.

 

I'm not sure whether you meant "generous" sarcastically or not, because I may be pointing out the above paragraph futilely. I'm not very good at detecting such a thing through the Internet, so sorry. :P

 

Also, I'm not quite sure what you mean by "3 fewer threads this month," leaving aside the suppositive proposition of a dead thread. The only thing I mentioned about three threads was that the past month has seen three in the Scape Lounge. Total. Not birthday topics.

 

Even if it is the case that this decrescence of topics will occur to such an extent that you find it undesirable, presumably in terms of activity, I don't see the detriment. Activity is determined by how much discussion exists. Topics are not representative of that. Rather, they exist for organization, just as forums and subforums do. (In fact, we quite often seem to argue that combining forums will increase activity. On a smaller scale but in an analogically identical manner, combining topics will increase activity.) The only difference in the actual amount of posts that will result is that, as I mentioned above, those members for whom a birthday isn't usually wished are now more likely to receive their much-needed felicitations. -.-

 

I highly doubt I'm the only who checks the recent topics widget type thing on the main forum page. That's how I know when someone has posted something and whether or not it'll be something I want to read. If you stick all the birthday posts in a single topic then I can pretty much guarantee that I and others who browse the forum like I do won't see new posts here at all.

The "Follow this topic" button in the top-right would solve that, if I'm not mistaken.

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The actual amount of topics being posted (3 in 30 days) completely discredits the generous example you gave right above it.

 

Now we have a dead topic and 3 less threds this month. What a compromise.

Generous example? If you click on a few random dates on the calendar, I can assure you that the percentage of birthdays that may otherwise be mentioned in this topic exceed 27.4%. It could be lower if, perhaps, you disregarded somebody who is perceived as too insignificant to mention a birthday, but that's an essential point of this topic.

 

I'm not sure whether you meant "generous" sarcastically or not, because I may be pointing out the above paragraph futilely. I'm not very good at detecting such a thing through the Internet, so sorry. :P

 

Also, I'm not quite sure what you mean by "3 fewer threads this month," leaving aside the suppositive proposition of a dead thread. The only thing I mentioned about three threads was that the past month has seen three in the Scape Lounge. Total. Not birthday topics.

 

Even if it is the case that this decrescence of topics will occur to such an extent that you find it undesirable, presumably in terms of activity, I don't see the detriment. Activity is determined by how much discussion exists. Topics are not representative of that. Rather, they exist for organization, just as forums and subforums do. (In fact, we quite often seem to argue that combining forums will increase activity. On a smaller scale but in an analogically identical manner, combining topics will increase activity.) The only difference in the actual amount of posts that will result is that, as I mentioned above, those members for whom a birthday isn't usually wished are now more likely to receive their much-needed felicitations. -.-

 

I highly doubt I'm the only who checks the recent topics widget type thing on the main forum page. That's how I know when someone has posted something and whether or not it'll be something I want to read. If you stick all the birthday posts in a single topic then I can pretty much guarantee that I and others who browse the forum like I do won't see new posts here at all.

The "Follow this topic" button in the top-right would solve that, if I'm not mistaken.

The thing is I frankly don't care about each and every member's birthdays. If it's someone I'm bothered enough to say something to then I'd see a topic dedicated to them. With this system I either get all or nothing with no in between. Separate topics is a much better system, and I don't see what was wrong with it.

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The actual amount of topics being posted (3 in 30 days) completely discredits the generous example you gave right above it.

 

Now we have a dead topic and 3 less threds this month. What a compromise.

Generous example? If you click on a few random dates on the calendar, I can assure you that the percentage of birthdays that may otherwise be mentioned in this topic exceed 27.4%. It could be lower if, perhaps, you disregarded somebody who is perceived as too insignificant to mention a birthday, but that's an essential point of this topic.

 

I'm not sure whether you meant "generous" sarcastically or not, because I may be pointing out the above paragraph futilely. I'm not very good at detecting such a thing through the Internet, so sorry. :P

 

Also, I'm not quite sure what you mean by "3 fewer threads this month," leaving aside the suppositive proposition of a dead thread. The only thing I mentioned about three threads was that the past month has seen three in the Scape Lounge. Total. Not birthday topics.

 

Even if it is the case that this decrescence of topics will occur to such an extent that you find it undesirable, presumably in terms of activity, I don't see the detriment. Activity is determined by how much discussion exists. Topics are not representative of that. Rather, they exist for organization, just as forums and subforums do. (In fact, we quite often seem to argue that combining forums will increase activity. On a smaller scale but in an analogically identical manner, combining topics will increase activity.) The only difference in the actual amount of posts that will result is that, as I mentioned above, those members for whom a birthday isn't usually wished are now more likely to receive their much-needed felicitations. -.-

 

I highly doubt I'm the only who checks the recent topics widget type thing on the main forum page. That's how I know when someone has posted something and whether or not it'll be something I want to read. If you stick all the birthday posts in a single topic then I can pretty much guarantee that I and others who browse the forum like I do won't see new posts here at all.

The "Follow this topic" button in the top-right would solve that, if I'm not mistaken.

The thing is I frankly don't care about each and every member's birthdays. If it's someone I'm bothered enough to say something to then I'd see a topic dedicated to them. With this system I either get all or nothing with no in between. Separate topics is a much better system, and I don't see what was wrong with it.

Among other things, the main problem was that people wouldn't be willing to make a topic for peoples' birthdays unless they were perceived as very significant. Therefore, only a handful of people regularly received birthday wishes, whereas a multitude more were discounted (see Fabio's post).

 

And doesn't somebody have to find out that today is a particular member's birthday? "If it's someone [you're] bothered enough to say something to," then why not you? If you feel like checking neither the calendar nor this topic, then that argument leans in your favor, but in my opinion, it doesn't outweigh the pros.

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I think this argument is absurd when there's an easy solution if front of everyone's eyes. Those of us who don't like creating new topics can just post here, and there's nothing stopping those of you who prefer to create a new topic to celebrate the birthday of a member you feel is outstanding or a good friend of yours from doing it.

 

There is no reason this topic cannot coexist with the old system.

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The actual amount of topics being posted (3 in 30 days) completely discredits the generous example you gave right above it.

 

Now we have a dead topic and 3 less threds this month. What a compromise.

Generous example? If you click on a few random dates on the calendar, I can assure you that the percentage of birthdays that may otherwise be mentioned in this topic exceed 27.4%. It could be lower if, perhaps, you disregarded somebody who is perceived as too insignificant to mention a birthday, but that's an essential point of this topic.

 

I'm not sure whether you meant "generous" sarcastically or not, because I may be pointing out the above paragraph futilely. I'm not very good at detecting such a thing through the Internet, so sorry. :P

 

Also, I'm not quite sure what you mean by "3 fewer threads this month," leaving aside the suppositive proposition of a dead thread. The only thing I mentioned about three threads was that the past month has seen three in the Scape Lounge. Total. Not birthday topics.

 

Even if it is the case that this decrescence of topics will occur to such an extent that you find it undesirable, presumably in terms of activity, I don't see the detriment. Activity is determined by how much discussion exists. Topics are not representative of that. Rather, they exist for organization, just as forums and subforums do. (In fact, we quite often seem to argue that combining forums will increase activity. On a smaller scale but in an analogically identical manner, combining topics will increase activity.) The only difference in the actual amount of posts that will result is that, as I mentioned above, those members for whom a birthday isn't usually wished are now more likely to receive their much-needed felicitations. -.-

 

I highly doubt I'm the only who checks the recent topics widget type thing on the main forum page. That's how I know when someone has posted something and whether or not it'll be something I want to read. If you stick all the birthday posts in a single topic then I can pretty much guarantee that I and others who browse the forum like I do won't see new posts here at all.

The "Follow this topic" button in the top-right would solve that, if I'm not mistaken.

The thing is I frankly don't care about each and every member's birthdays. If it's someone I'm bothered enough to say something to then I'd see a topic dedicated to them. With this system I either get all or nothing with no in between. Separate topics is a much better system, and I don't see what was wrong with it.

Among other things, the main problem was that people wouldn't be willing to make a topic for peoples' birthdays unless they were perceived as very significant. Therefore, only a handful of people regularly received birthday wishes, whereas a multitude more were discounted (see Fabio's post).

 

And doesn't somebody have to find out that today is a particular member's birthday? "If it's someone [you're] bothered enough to say something to," then why not you? If you feel like checking neither the calendar nor this topic, then that argument leans in your favor, but in my opinion, it doesn't outweigh the pros.

 

I don't check the calendar because for the most part people I would say happy birthday to I have added on facebook. I'll say it there. However, there may be a few outliers that someone might post and I might stop into the topic if I see it in the sidebar.

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I don't check the calendar because for the most part people I would say happy birthday to I have added on facebook. I'll say it there. However, there may be a few outliers that someone might post and I might stop into the topic if I see it in the sidebar.

Oh. That's good. The sidebar does seem to me to get most of the notable birthdays (it goes in order from oldest to youngest... sort of), although it occasionally might miss one. Sorry for the minor inconvenience. -.-

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But it hasn't, arguably. So many important birthdays are going unnoticed, on such a regular basis!

Like mine.

 

Jerks.

 

And mine on 8/28

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We should also probably consolidate all achievements (while we're at it, let's just say any discussions at all) into one topic too, cause I mean they're just taking up valuable forum space

 

This is the internet we're talking about here, gotta be careful with frivolous thread making. Might run out of room.

 

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Happy Birthday Nacho/AK-47!

 

It's also Venomous' (Clan Poison leader) birthday it seems. Happy birthday! You won't read this but if by some miracle you do move your clan to Legacy lol!!

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We should also probably consolidate all achievements (while we're at it, let's just say any discussions at all) into one topic too, cause I mean they're just taking up valuable forum space

 

This is the internet we're talking about here, gotta be careful with frivolous thread making. Might run out of room.

The balance is between organization and activity. Having everything merged into one forum would theoretically increase activity while making everything a mess, whereas dividing everything to the point where there's a subforum for platypuses would decrease activity. In that area, I planned that this topic 1) doesn't detract from organization, and 2) increases activity because, as I mentioned a few times, birthdays of more trivial members will be celebrated where they otherwise wouldn't.

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