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The problem is, that leaves Barry Sanders, a man who, while seemingly honest, caring, and all about the people, is two hops short of a complete socialist.

Would 100% vote for Barry Sanders but hes not running

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Sanders

 

But as for Bernie Sanders I agree

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I kind of like Kasich even though he's imperfect. I kind of like Pataki. I kind of like Bush. I kind of like Rubio. I don't love any of them. I like 'em.

 

I've already resolved I'll be voting in GOP primaries, I'm going to settle in South Carolina so I better get used to being a Republican (not that it's hard, but w/e).

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Elizabeth Warren isn't going to run.

 

I haven't followed the election news in a while. My bad. Guess that means, I don't like any of the candidates so far, especially Donald Trump.

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Would 100% vote for Barry Sanders but hes not running

 

https://en.wikipedia...i/Barry_Sanders

 

But as for Bernie Sanders I agree

 

 

Ah who doesn't mistake the frail white politician for one of the greatest NFL running backs (who is the opposite color). My mistake though, complete brain fart.

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Elizabeth Warren isn't going to run.

I haven't followed the election news in a while. My bad. Guess that means, I don't like any of the candidates so far, especially Donald Trump.

If your only hope was Elizabeth Warren, then I suggest you take a look at Bernie Sanders. Their ideas certainly fall within the same area on a right-to-left spectrum, with a shared penchant for economic issues. In fact, the SuperPAC Ready for Warren shifted its support to Sanders after Warren decisively announced that she wouldn't run.

 

By the way, could we stop discounting Independent candidate Deez Nuts?

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I love elections where the incumbent can't run, I finally get to talk shizzle about other Democrats besides Obama.

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I love elections where the incumbent can't run, I finally get to talk shizzle about other Democrats besides Obama.

Any time someone starts talking about “In Nordic countries…” it's my cue to break out some tasty snacks and get ready for some quality entertainment.

 

So long as Sanders is still in, I bet I'll have plenty of occasion for that.

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I love elections where the incumbent can't run, I finally get to talk shizzle about other Democrats besides Obama.

Any time someone starts talking about “In Nordic countries…” it's my cue to break out some tasty snacks and get ready for some quality entertainment.

 

So long as Sanders is still in, I bet I'll have plenty of occasion for that.

Are you kidding? I get to call Somalia a libertarian's paradise for a year and a half! I love elections! :cute:

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lol it appears that a certain Gay Fish is also planning on running for the 2020 elections

 

so the joke for the next elections I already readying himself, now to try to let this elections joke not win by accident

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Ben Carson is making a lot of progress. Close to Trump now.

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I didn't watch the debate last night but I read some excerpts and I have to say I got angry with the anti-vaccine crap. It's one thing to say the Earth is 5000 years old, but it's another thing to put the life of some kid at stake.

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I can't help but admire a renowned neurosurgeon keeping his cool when Donald Trump declares that vaccines cause autism.

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I can't help but admire a renowned neurosurgeon keeping his cool when Donald Trump declares that vaccines cause autism.

He didn't though, unless I missed it? He voiced his opinion as in strong agreement with vaccinations, but acknowledged that the rate in which we administer them might be too quick in few cases, which might be a factor for autism. I mean, he's not lying, it's happened, he just isn't acknowledging how insanely rare it is for a vaccine to be a factor in autism occurring.

 

I think in general the rate in which we give supplements to children is getting a bit out of hand (this is obviously a discussion for a different topic) but as for his facts, you can't really fault him for what he said.

 

Disclaimer: I'm decidedly pro-vaccine (good lord, everyone should be) and I'm not a supporter of Trump. Just trying to play it fair.

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Carson was probably wise to not go after anyone too much over the vaccine issue because it could hurt his VP chances. Though I don't know his true views on vaccines.

 

I feel Rand Paul (another doctor) should have gone after that because he has nothing to lose at the moment.

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I can't help but admire a renowned neurosurgeon keeping his cool when Donald Trump declares that vaccines cause autism.

He didn't though, unless I missed it? He voiced his opinion as in strong agreement with vaccinations, but acknowledged that the rate in which we administer them might be too quick in few cases, which might be a factor for autism. I mean, he's not lying, it's happened, he just isn't acknowledging how insanely rare it is for a vaccine to be a factor in autism occurring.

 

I think in general the rate in which we give supplements to children is getting a bit out of hand (this is obviously a discussion for a different topic) but as for his facts, you can't really fault him for what he said.

 

Disclaimer: I'm decidedly pro-vaccine (good lord, everyone should be) and I'm not a supporter of Trump. Just trying to play it fair.

It seems as though he believes that vaccines can cause autism while supporting them in smaller doses.

 

TAPPER: A backlash against vaccines was blamed for a measles outbreak here in California. Dr. Carson, Donald Trump has publicly and repeatedly linked vaccines, childhood vaccines, to autism, which, as you know, the medical community adamantly disputes.

 

...

 

TRUMP: Autism has become an epidemic. Twenty-five years ago, 35 years ago, you look at the statistics, not even close. It has gotten totally out of control.

 

I am totally in favor of vaccines. But I want smaller doses over a longer period of time. Because you take a baby in -- and I've seen it -- and I've seen it, and I had my children taken care of over a long period of time, over a two or three year period of time.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/09/16/annotated-transcript-september-16-gop-debate/#

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I can't help but admire a renowned neurosurgeon keeping his cool when Donald Trump declares that vaccines cause autism.

He didn't though, unless I missed it? He voiced his opinion as in strong agreement with vaccinations, but acknowledged that the rate in which we administer them might be too quick in few cases, which might be a factor for autism. I mean, he's not lying, it's happened, he just isn't acknowledging how insanely rare it is for a vaccine to be a factor in autism occurring.

 

I think in general the rate in which we give supplements to children is getting a bit out of hand (this is obviously a discussion for a different topic) but as for his facts, you can't really fault him for what he said.

 

Disclaimer: I'm decidedly pro-vaccine (good lord, everyone should be) and I'm not a supporter of Trump. Just trying to play it fair.

It seems as though he believes that vaccines can cause autism while supporting them in smaller doses.

 

TAPPER: A backlash against vaccines was blamed for a measles outbreak here in California. Dr. Carson, Donald Trump has publicly and repeatedly linked vaccines, childhood vaccines, to autism, which, as you know, the medical community adamantly disputes.

 

...

 

TRUMP: Autism has become an epidemic. Twenty-five years ago, 35 years ago, you look at the statistics, not even close. It has gotten totally out of control.

 

I am totally in favor of vaccines. But I want smaller doses over a longer period of time. Because you take a baby in -- and I've seen it -- and I've seen it, and I had my children taken care of over a long period of time, over a two or three year period of time.

http://www.washingto...16-gop-debate/#

I think there is a difference in saying that he thinks vaccines cause autism, and that vaccines might cause autism.

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I can't help but admire a renowned neurosurgeon keeping his cool when Donald Trump declares that vaccines cause autism.

He didn't though, unless I missed it? He voiced his opinion as in strong agreement with vaccinations, but acknowledged that the rate in which we administer them might be too quick in few cases, which might be a factor for autism. I mean, he's not lying, it's happened, he just isn't acknowledging how insanely rare it is for a vaccine to be a factor in autism occurring.

 

I think in general the rate in which we give supplements to children is getting a bit out of hand (this is obviously a discussion for a different topic) but as for his facts, you can't really fault him for what he said.

 

Disclaimer: I'm decidedly pro-vaccine (good lord, everyone should be) and I'm not a supporter of Trump. Just trying to play it fair.

It seems as though he believes that vaccines can cause autism while supporting them in smaller doses.

 

TAPPER: A backlash against vaccines was blamed for a measles outbreak here in California. Dr. Carson, Donald Trump has publicly and repeatedly linked vaccines, childhood vaccines, to autism, which, as you know, the medical community adamantly disputes.

 

...

 

TRUMP: Autism has become an epidemic. Twenty-five years ago, 35 years ago, you look at the statistics, not even close. It has gotten totally out of control.

 

I am totally in favor of vaccines. But I want smaller doses over a longer period of time. Because you take a baby in -- and I've seen it -- and I've seen it, and I had my children taken care of over a long period of time, over a two or three year period of time.

http://www.washingto...16-gop-debate/#

I think there is a difference in saying that he thinks vaccines cause autism, and that vaccines might cause autism.

To me, at least, it seems, especially from what Jake Tapper said and Donald Trump's not denying it, that he believes quite firmly that vaccines can cause autism (or in other words, "might" cause autism as in they definitively have a chance to); the only assumption I might make from his lack of clarity is that he believes that the benefits of vaccines could outweigh the supposed autism if they were used differently.

 

Tapper's statement seems to have been based upon a statement he made in 2007: "When I was growing up, autism wasn’t really a factor,” Trump said. “And now all of a sudden, it’s an epidemic. Everybody has their theory. My theory, and I study it because I have young children, my theory is the shots. We’ve giving these massive injections at one time, and I really think it does something to the children."

http://weblogs.sun-s...h.ljVSsAGv.dpuf

 

A Google of the matter seems to indicate a lot of favor of this interpretation:

http://www.cnn.com/2...bate/index.html

http://www.businessi...s-autism-2015-9

http://www.independe...c-10505087.html

 

In any case, the scientific community at large disputes what he said, which isn't very favorable. -.-

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I can't help but admire a renowned neurosurgeon keeping his cool when Donald Trump declares that vaccines cause autism.

He didn't though, unless I missed it? He voiced his opinion as in strong agreement with vaccinations, but acknowledged that the rate in which we administer them might be too quick in few cases, which might be a factor for autism. I mean, he's not lying, it's happened, he just isn't acknowledging how insanely rare it is for a vaccine to be a factor in autism occurring.

 

I think in general the rate in which we give supplements to children is getting a bit out of hand (this is obviously a discussion for a different topic) but as for his facts, you can't really fault him for what he said.

 

Disclaimer: I'm decidedly pro-vaccine (good lord, everyone should be) and I'm not a supporter of Trump. Just trying to play it fair.

It seems as though he believes that vaccines can cause autism while supporting them in smaller doses.

 

TAPPER: A backlash against vaccines was blamed for a measles outbreak here in California. Dr. Carson, Donald Trump has publicly and repeatedly linked vaccines, childhood vaccines, to autism, which, as you know, the medical community adamantly disputes.

 

...

 

TRUMP: Autism has become an epidemic. Twenty-five years ago, 35 years ago, you look at the statistics, not even close. It has gotten totally out of control.

 

I am totally in favor of vaccines. But I want smaller doses over a longer period of time. Because you take a baby in -- and I've seen it -- and I've seen it, and I had my children taken care of over a long period of time, over a two or three year period of time.

http://www.washingto...16-gop-debate/#

I think there is a difference in saying that he thinks vaccines cause autism, and that vaccines might cause autism.

To me, at least, it seems, especially from what Jake Tapper said and Donald Trump's not denying it, that he believes quite firmly that vaccines can cause autism (or in other words, "might" cause autism as in they definitively have a chance to); the only assumption I might make from his lack of clarity is that he believes that the benefits of vaccines could outweigh the supposed autism if they were used differently.

 

Tapper's statement seems to have been based upon a statement he made in 2007: "When I was growing up, autism wasn’t really a factor,” Trump said. “And now all of a sudden, it’s an epidemic. Everybody has their theory. My theory, and I study it because I have young children, my theory is the shots. We’ve giving these massive injections at one time, and I really think it does something to the children."

"When I was growing up, autism wasn't really a factor," Trump said. "And now all of a sudden, it's an epidemic. Everybody has their theory. My theory, and I study it because I have young children, my theory is the shots. We've giving these massive injections at one time, and I really think it does something to the children." - See more at: http://weblogs.sun-s...h.ljVSsAGv.dpuf

 

A Google of the matter seemse to indicate a lot of favor of this interpretation:

http://www.cnn.com/2...bate/index.html

http://www.businessi...s-autism-2015-9

http://www.independe...c-10505087.html

 

In any case, the scientific community at large disputes what he said, which isn't very favorable. -.-

Great points, thanks for including those links. I definitely see where you're coming from now, and am inclined to agree that Trump doesn't have his head on straight when it comes to this.

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In my experience, being a medical doctor only means you're goal oriented, not that you're smart, rational, or anything positive. Being an MD doesn't differentiate you from being a politician.

 

Carson, though a strong willed individual, exemplifies this for me.

I disagree. If you polled doctors and asked if vaccines cause autism, you'd get a no answer somewhere in the upper 90%. Carson is either one of the few who believes vaccines (may?) cause autism or he's playing to his audience.

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In my experience, being a medical doctor only means you're goal oriented, not that you're smart, rational, or anything positive. Being an MD doesn't differentiate you from being a politician.

 

Carson, though a strong willed individual, exemplifies this for me.

I disagree. If you polled doctors and asked if vaccines cause autism, you'd get a no answer somewhere in the upper 90%. Carson is either one of the few who believes vaccines (may?) cause autism or he's playing to his audience.

I'm not sure lilshu is referring to vaccines and autism specifically--I think we all know that the amount of doctors who believe that vaccines cause autism is incalculably low--but that Ben Carson isn't necessarily intelligent in general because he's a doctor, which is exemplified by his political endeavors.

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A new poll has Fiorina leading with a 4 point lead over Trump in New Hampshire. At least that's some encouraging news. The sooner the GOP gets out of this silly season, the better cause I just sat through 3 hours of unsubstantial nonsense. That rubbish with the vaccines is an example of how lost that party has been for years.

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Off-topic since everyone's talking about the GOP here, but Jim Webb is a cool dude and I'm tempted to switch to the Democratic party just to vote for him in the primaries. Both his economic and foreign policy platforms are pretty sane, without swinging too far to the left or right.

 

Beats the shizzle out of Bernie, Hillary, or any of the GOP frontrunners.

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